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Ok, so this is a bit of a random topic, but it’s something we feel is worth talking about. It doesn’t have a lot of practical info for you if you’re coming to visit Korea. Not like you need to know what things to pack and, also, worry about your copyrights, but it’s a topic we’re somewhat passionate about, since it’s one that affects us. Korean businesses rip off a lot of other people’s shit, and that freaking sucks. We talked about a couple of stories today in which we were affected, but there are others, some of which we had to settle out of court, that we won’t be talking about here.

The legal jargon of copyrights and intellectual properties is something that’s beyond us. I’m sure there’s a lot of legality to the issue that we just don’t have the knowledge to speak about, and I’m sure some people who are lawyers in Korea will be able to say in so many words that it’s not copyright infringement if blankity blank blank fart blank. Or, who knows: maybe there are some laws about international intellectual property here in Korea that allow for Angelina Jolie bars to run. Or maybe Angelina Jolie was like “yeah! I’d love to have my pics all over a bar in Bucheon” Who knows. All we can really comment on is our experiences and how we perceive the situations around us.

At the same time, I remember reading a while ago that a tech company, namely SpaceX, won’t patent its intellectual property, simply because China would just use that as a recipe book. Great metaphor, really, and basically gives us the impression that we have here. Ideas from other countries can be ripped off, and there isn’t really much that can be done to stop it.

Side note: I know some of you know what company we were referring to that took a lot of our footage after we refused to be on the show. Buuut, notice how we didn’t name them? Why, you might ask? Defamation laws! Korea’s got some bizarre laws in which you can’t publicly say bad things about people, even if those things are freaking goddamned 100% true. We have close friends of ours who recently got fired from their schools wrongfully, and assaulted by the school’s owner as well, but they can’t go public with that on the internet because they’d get sued for defamation. I’m sure that there’s more subtlety and variation to the law, but we’re not familiar enough with it. All we know is that it’s damning enough to be afraid of speaking out publicly. And, seeing how this is a big company that we’re talking about, and we’re just petty foreigners with little protection here, we’re going to be as vague as possible. Yep.

Anyhow, you heard us also mention in the video the idea not only that we didn’t want to be in that major network’s video, but also the reason WHY we didn’t want to be there, which we just touched on a bit. Basically, we get contacted from time to time from TV shows who want us to play the role of the fun foreign couple who comes to Korea and is amazed by everything. “Oh! The food is so spicy but so delicious! We did not know your country makes such great food! Wow! And it is good for your health too! This country amazes me so much!” What’s bizarre about these shows is that they’re on Korean channels, spoken by Korean hosts, subtitled in Korean (or, they even want us to say these things in Korean), and aired for a Korean audience. What purpose do these shows serve, apart from feeding the audience’s sense of nationalism and pride? It’s not educational. It’s not meant for other countries to watch. It’s ego-stroking, really. We agreed to do those shows before we really knew what they were like and the message they conveyed, but now we’re not interested in doing them. Does that mean that we refuse all shows? No. There’s another major network we’ve been speaking with who have suggested a cool concept for a show, which we’re totally down for, and which doesn’t reek of nationalism.

And, sure, I know some people will say that the nature of those shows we’re against is essentially what we do with our videos as well: we’re showing the world the awesomeness of Korea. But there’s a difference, I think. We can talk about things that are annoying. We can say what we think is wrong. Sure, whenever we do say something negative it’ll come at the cost of getting nationalist netizens demanding our deportation, but we’re at least trying to come at Korea with a grain of salt. We’re more interested in sharing our stories, rather than spreading a message of Korea’s supremity. We’ll do the same no matter what country we’re in.

Ok, this got a bit heated. Sorry for ranting. This TV show thing annoyed us, and what better place to talk about it than here? You guise are cool people with whom we can discuss these things rationally. You commenting Nasties are legit :D We’re more than ok with talking about any of the points here, about copyrights and intellectual property and trying to get a better understanding of Korea’s stance on it, or even about our positions on different kinds of Korean TV shows with foreigners. Let us know what you think.

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  1. Hey EYK! Not sure if you guys still check comments on your old blog posts, but I had a question for you guys about copyright stuff! I know some fans make their own fan merchandise for different groups using the logo or photos of the bands and sell them – would that count as copyright infringement too? I know you mentioned Kpop socks (so sad- but you can still find the cartoon ones!) so I was just wondering if it also applied to fans in other countries doing things for fun.

  2. Saehee Park

    내 아를 낳아도~ this part is the funniest subtitle i have ever seen did Soozee do it? hilarious

  3. Eun hye Lee

    I would like to correct a (fairly significant) misleading statement made by Simon in the video. He suggests that Korean network stations probably do not pay royalties for the use of copyrighted foreign song clips (which, if that were the case, would be illegal, as he rightly points out). In reality, use of copyright songs in Korean network shows are unlikely to go unnoticed by the US music industry. In fact, this has been a very sensitive issue between Korea and the US, even before the FTA between the two countries was concluded, and the entire arrangement is subject to very tight contracts between the Korean network stations and the relevant US agencies. Despite Simon suggesting that use of copyrighted songs operate on a blanket fee per song basis, in actual fact, the commercial dealings are very complex and the actual royalty charged is dependent on a number of factors (such as the length of the clip used, whether the clip is used as a feature/theme performance or simply for background). Apparently, the royalty arrangements (for use in Korea) operate on a percentage-of-earnings-of-the-show, rather than blanket-fee basis, most of the time. This partly explains why foreign song clips used in Korean shows are fairly short, used mostly for background music, and also why you never hear Beatles music in Korean TV (the agency in charge of Beatles royalties charge very very high rates).

  4. Erica Sommermann

    You guys, that is SO messed up that your videos were just used by a certain “Korean broadcasting company” without permission granted or compensation provided….I am living here in Korea too and am pretty familiar with this mentality surrounding IP, but I have to say this really crosses a line. I hope notice gets taken and that they follow up with an apology AND some big-time compensation!

  5. JuliaArgent

    This was really interesting for me to watch, but it brought up a question I’ve been wondering about for a while now.
    What are the laws about copying/using other people’s music? Or rather,
    what I’m getting it is this: you use Junsu’s Intoxication for the nasty
    theme in some of your videos, but isn’t that using his music without
    permission? Or is that sort of use acceptable? Thanks. :)

  6. Question to S&M:
    Hi,
    Did the Korean broadcasting company who used your videos without permission actually know that you guys are a company and that your “eyk” logo is trademarked and all that?
    Maybe they thought that your videos about Korea are just like random K-fan videos on youtube or something like that?

    (I mean, I’m not trying to belittle you guys or anything. But it hasn’t been that long since you guys have been an official business in Korea, right? So my question is, did that broadcasting company know that you’re a company and that your company logo is trademarked and you have a studio and all that?
    Did they know that your Youtube videos are the property of your business?
    And if they didn’t know, then did you tell them that you are a company?)

    I mean, there are a lot of blogs on the internet, and most of them are not commercial for-profit.
    So if you got out the word that you’re actually a business and that you are a company and all that, wouldn’t it be less likely that people would steal your intellectual property?

    And here’s a suggestion:
    From now on, when you’re making videos, why not include a copyright notice at the end of each video?
    I think that would make it real clear that the videos are copyrighted property and people can’t just steal them and use them without permission.
    (Because.. if random people are watching your videos on Youtube, they have no way of knowing that you guys are a company and that the videos are property of your company.)

    Okay, that’s all for now.
    Cheers!

  7. Cheyenne_Lin

    wait black face……………………..

  8. Maritna

    It’s the same exact way in the country I come from. There are literally chain stores in every mall that have the same exact name as huge brands from the US (American Apparel and Urban Outfitters are the biggest ones I can think of) and they sell totally different clothes and I am 100% sure they did not pay for that copyright. And if you go to the street markets there’s all kinds of fake brands, like Addidas (sometimes with an extra line), Nike (they don’t even change ONE THING about the logo), lots of fake CDs, DVDs and video games, band/TV/movie merchandise… it’s crazy.

    I think a lot of business owners in small countries, or countries that are far from the US, can get away with this simply because of what you guys said, who is going to send their lawyers to prey on a bunch of small businesses abroad?

    Anyways… I was wondering how unusual is it to see people with tattoos, body piercings, unnatural hair dye, etc in Korea? Do they get judged or stared at or treated differently? Is there a big difference if you’re a boy or a girl regarding these things?

  9. sophie trayner

    It seems like Korea is a conservative country.. Have you guys seen any body piercings or even gauges on any Koreans? Are there any piercing parlors? How do Koreans react to body piercings like.. a belly button, nose, or eyebrow??

  10. Jessica Nunes
    Jessica Nunes

    Hi Simon, Martina Su Zee and Leigh :D I wanna know if the k-pop fans in South Korea are much different than international fans because I watched Reeply 1997 a few time ago and I remember that the main character was obcessed with only one group and she can’t even ear other song beside them (like it was a betrail to the group) and for me is strange because I have my favourites (Infinite Shinee and TVXQ) but I ear a lot of songs and k-pop groups (BAP, EXO, B2st, 2ne1, Big Bang..) and I wanted to know if the korean still are or if they really were like in the drama and what do you think about that. beijinhos from Portugal :)

  11. Cindy L

    Ugh. Conflicting feelings about said broadcasting station. If someone doesn’t want to be on your show, respect that -_-

    Anyway, Simon, Martina, I hope everything was settled and you got some form of payment and/or more good publicity from what they air of your videos (past tense if they took all of it down already). I’ve only seen 3 couples doing videos or shows on things/places in Korea and you two are by far the best. The other two have a somewhat ditzy-sounding person and their pronunciation is just– ugh. All broadcasting stations should know not to mess with you since there isn’t an unlimited amount of foreigner couples that can help them as much as you can.

    Oh gosh my comment is so long. Long comment short, you don’t need to be on those programs that promote Korea. Frankly I think THEY need YOU. Keep up the great work! Love you guise! <3

  12. Helen Gillis Brooks

    Hello fellow Canadians! i have a question for you two! I am a big fan of K-drama’s. And while watching them, i have noticed in the drama’s that are about idols, they have those scenes with those crazy fans! I’ve heard they are called sasaeng fans! are they really as bad as these shows portray them to be, or do the drama’s greatly exaggerate these people?

  13. spiralyte

    Perhaps you two can get a laugh out of this. I wonder if it’s still in theatres?.. Maybe you can check it out if you have the time! xD
    http://ryanestradadotcom.tumblr.com/post/54011561038/so-i-just-saw-the-korean-webcomic-horror

    Humour aside, I found this TL;DR very informative and am super stoked whenever you guise come out and speak to topics that relate to you personally. Copyright issues are a huge deal and should definitely be addressed, whether defamatory or not (Korea – that’s a lame law, yo). I totally understand the whole “Well, they won’t see me, so, it shouldn’t matter” ideology, but it should. And it does. Mark Twain once penned the quote “We ought never do wrong when people are looking.” Great quote, but eventually, people come looking. ^^;

    I think Soo Zee and Leigh’s new segment this week applies perfectly to this situation.
    깡다구 좀 있는데?! (감사합니다 수지와 리! 짱! <3)

  14. I must say, I always do find it funny when I hear popular musical scores used in Korean television shows here and there, and I immediately recognize what it is. Pretty much assumed they didn’t license it, because it’s not like they’ve ever had to worry about jurisdiction. There may even be misconceptions on part of what is considered Public Domain in the international market… above and beyond not caring.

    Granted, a lot of Southeast Asia has started to crack down on counterfeits and other illegalities, but that may be more due to them recognizing that they would only be stealing from themselves; as opposed to U.S. and European firms worrying about film/music piracy. I’d say governments are slowly learning that they too can profit by legally distributing and broadcasting big budget content from overseas and yield a profitable audience with enough demand. Just another facet of the expedient evolution of those countries that came late to the Industrial Revolution party.

  15. Jennifer Eller

    I have done a little research on adoption in Korea since that is something my husband and I might be interested in someday. I seem to keep coming across the fact that you may not be able to ever find out about the health of your adopted child’s parents because it seems there is still a stigma to having children outside of wedlock. Is the shame of a child not born to married parents so bad that they would rather put this child up for adoption than raise him/her. I know that this is a delicate subject but I am very curious

  16. Hannah Chi (紀如恩)

    What influenced your decision to go to Korea to be English teachers? Like, was there something while living in Canada that caused to be interested in the Korean culture? Thanks! You guys are awesome.

  17. Brett Huelsmann

    Well, with the samsung and lg thing.

    Did you know samsung makes all the hardware in the iphone? Samsung sued and lost, shocking!!

    Did you know lg had an ipad in 1998 and internationally trademarked and showed in at some German international electronics expo in 98? Lg sued and lost, shocking!!

    Steve jobs is a crook. Without steve jobs I products wouldnt be as nice.

    With out Steve Wozniak there would be no apple!

    Without Dennis Ritchie tjere would be no computers. We would all ready binary code.

    http://www.google.co.kr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.maniacworld.com/steve-jobs-vs-dennis-ritchie.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.maniacworld.com/steve-jobs-vs-dennis-ritchie.html&usg=__aOWHkhxRyegphar-FxXFy973Yzc=&h=728&w=540&sz=88&hl=ko&start=1&sig2=Pj5h5DwdmTxH3OjMO2Igbg&zoom=1&tbnid=WfNFqgQ3UPtJlM:&tbnh=141&tbnw=105&ei=1Sz9Ub_gCqaFiAf1sYDQDg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsteve%2Bjobs%2Band%2Bdennis%2Britchie%26newwindow%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG%26hl%3Dko%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&sa=X&ved=0CCkQrQMwAA

  18. I found the video that they were talking about, there are no subtitles though.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojjyptqhyq4

  19. Ethan Lincoln

    Yup, nothing surprises me. Before hand, pre-internet days, I had teacher friends who had pictures of them that showed up magically in pamphlets and brochures out of nowhere. Flipside to all this cowboy intellectuall non madness? The nazi bar in
    Pusan pre and during World Cup 2002. Yeah we’ll just throw nazi logos on our bar and nobody will care, that sells. Until you suddenly have an international community on your doorstep… and well well well… looks like that is still going on…. shocker… not… http://rokdrop.com/2007/10/11/israel-upset-about-nazi-bar-in-seoul/

  20. jessica fleming

    i kinda get this i think somthing else that is a problem in the us is ive seen so many people pretending to be kpop idols on things like facebook and chat sites i understand that to spread the word of kpop and tell people about you idols is all kool but to pretend to be them is wrong -_- anyways love your show guys:)

  21. MissCocoBelle

    I think Celebs are more like “I didn’t have plastic surgery at your facility!!!” More accurate no?

  22. kpopwillneverstop

    After watching this, now it got me wondering whether BEG got permission to name their song “Kill Bill” since the MV is heavily inspired by the movie.

  23. justanotherredhead

    The music thing is especially true, even MTV in America uses generic Muzak type music to score a lot of their shows because they can’t afford the artists licensing fees.

  24. Sarah Bielec

    all of us here will say it for both of you. SHAME ON YOU KBS!!! YES YOU KOREAN BROADCASTING SYSTEM!!and all the other people who not only use eat your kimchi’s stuff but others as well without their permission. I dont think the company would like it very well if somebody stole stuff from them so they shouldn’t do it to others

  25. Will you guys be taking any legal action? I hope they at the very least give yall an official apology and payment for using your videos. Justice must be served! Please keep us posted on how this turns out!

  26. Karolina

    Could you do a TLDR about how foreigners are represented in korean mass media? What image they have and how are they treated if they are a part of a program (e.g. talk show)? Are there any typical roles that foreigners have to play when appear in tv? Thanks :D PS. Love your videos :D:D

  27. katarina ☆

    What about those Korean fansites that go to their idol’s concert with a heavy ass equipment which can worth a LOT i’m sure. Take pictures along the concert, sometimes not even enjoying the show itself just to take pictures and afterward upload the HQ pics onto their website.
    Then they make rules like “Do not Edit”, “Do not gif”(if it’s a fancam), “Do not put it on tumblr” etc.

    I know a lot of ppl(yes international fans) that shit on those rules, crop out credits, make their “oh so beautiful edits” and they post it on tumblr of course. And then there’s the other part of these fans who try to fix things and restlessly go to these ppl to make them a)credit the owner of a picture, b)make them took down their image.

    Also i know that those who make these edits say that they do not agree with the fansite owner. Because that if they take a photo that’s one way of art and creativity, but the fans who edit the pictures also want to create art and why should they be stopped?

    I don’t know how to judge this situation, but one thing i know that because of those fans who edit photos without permission are making lots of fansites to shut down, which will eventually mean that there won’t be any art material for them.

    ps.: also this is a basic thing that makes k-fans get mad at i-fans = this is why k-fans and i-fans don’t get along.

  28. Sweet_Alina

    Oh!! I always wonder how all those broadcasting companies had the permission to use the songs as background music but now it made sense!!!

  29. Alan De la Cruz

    I wonder what the schools rules on copyright are? For example in the states you fail a class I your caught coping a paper from online and teachers really watch out for that stuff. Would Korean schools do the same?

  30. Madds Shellyson

    I love you guys but you should totally credit this girl’s artwork, because it actually upset her for the longest time. http://depyonggie.tumblr.com/post/42076553207/a-little-rant-about-eyk I feel bad for her because I draw fanart myself and I know how it feels when your artwork is being used without even mentioning you or anything. Guise? Help me out here? Nasties? :(

  31. AudreyKoopman

    Not only do I study design, but I also work in the photo department at a Walgreen’s pharmacy. People are always trying to scan professional pictures (i.e. school photos, wedding photos, etc) and have us print them out for them. Then they get mad when I tell them I need a copyright release form from the photographer in order to print them. The customer argues that they bought the picture, it’s theirs so they should be able to print it. The thing is, that photographer is still the artist of that picture. They created the backdrop, they staged it, they used their materials, they did the lighting, they did any editing, and they still own the original negative/digital file. You didn’t buy the picture from them, you bought a copy of the picture. My job requires permission to print and then sell (aka make a profit from the photographer’s work) that picture because if the photographer were to every find out, the company would be faced with the fines and the employee (aka me) would be fired and also face fines.
    There is so much that goes into it all and it drives me crazy when customers don’t understand.

  32. You’re TLDR’s are so great and informative, and this is such an interesting topic to talk about. I’m from the US and I’ve always wondered how this would be handled in other countries. I work at a university library, and we are always worried about copyright and of course, plagiarism.

    It really sucks that this happened to you, and, unfortunately, could happen to you again. I guess you really have to keep an eye out for your videos or your image being used without your permission. I can’t believe businesses would blatantly steal your stuff, especially well-known companies. No class or morals whatsoever!

    On a different note, I was wondering if you could talk about smoking in Korea. I know your FAQ states that it is allowed in restaurants and bars, but I’m wondering about the bigger picture. I see a lot of ads with drama stars and kpop stars puffing on cigarettes or holding a cigarette. Obviously, they don’t think this is bad advertising, and yes, I admit, they can look cool, BUT, what is this saying to the teens (or adults) that idolize them.

    Since advertising for tobacco products is highly restricted in US, I was wondering how it is in Korea. What is your take on this? Are people polite enough not to smoke if you ask them not to? Is it as common as drinking? ….Just something I’m interested in.

    Stay strong, and keep on truckin’!!!

    • Alexandra Huang

      Your question reminds me of a video I saw of a Big Bang “don’t smoke” commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZSx-HoxbCo

      But the members [purportedly] smoked in real life anyways…..

      • OMG! Too funny! I’ve never seen this. Well, we all know GD smokes a little somethin’, somethin’.

        • Josh Chinnery

          G-Dragon smokes way more than a little somethin’, somethin’ if that Instagram photo he took this week says anything XD

        • Pam M.

          Just saw that. Wow, let’s promote smoking….not to mention the other picture that he posted and got in trouble for. Aaah, controversy.

    • That’s a really good question and it’s interesting to talk about. Australia is very restricted with tobacco advertising and prices are really high to deter smokers and we understand completely how bad it is for you. There doesn’t seem to be the same awareness in Korea about how bad it is, of course they know on some level, but it’s not the same as here. So many Koreans smoke and it’s something I find difficult in Korea because there is no smoking inside in Australia but in Korea there are restaurants that allow it and it makes me sick. People tend to stop if you ask them politely but smoke gets into everything and just blowing the smoke the other way does nothing, so it would be better if there were stricter laws.
      Perhaps if Simon and Martina could talk about this and what the statistics of lung cancer are in Korea… I have heard due to their drinking culture that liver cancer is the number 1 cancer.

      • Anti-smoking campaigns are ongoing in Korea.
        In fact, this year the government started prohibiting smoking in restaurants, cafes, bars, PC-bang’s, etc.
        (Well, the larger establishments anyway. But I’m sure the laws will get progressively tougher and will include smaller establishments as well.)

    • Chillymilly

      I really want this as a TLDR, but I do know a bit about it. From what I’ve read, smoking is reallly common in Korea. Like 50% of males, and there’s taboo about a female smoking in public. It’s sort of ironic that so much of the population smokes, because MC Mong was caught smoking in an outtake of 1N2D and there was a lot of outrage. Public opinion is changing: instead of a cigarette, kdramas will have guys with a lollipop in his mouth. Hope that helps!

      • I know, I can’t believe some, if not most, of my favorite drama stars smoke. Yuck! I think, wow, he’s hot, then I see a picture of him smoking. Kinda takes the fun out of drooling over, I mean, liking him.;)

  33. OrigamiBoats

    K-pop socks… why… that was like the ultimate black market items that I would always get. :3 Sad sad.

  34. jayeon55

    The best example is Lee Hyo Ri and her second album Dark Angel. Brittney Spears company sued her because people said the song sounded like toxic or something. everyone found out that her manager or who ever was writing the songs was taking IDEAS from over seas artists and the song was like Brittney’s song. the same thing happened again when her 3rd cd came out and she took a break from the music scene and know she is back better then ever with management and etc. I love Lee Hyo Ri and feel bad for artist who have to deal with that. Lee Hyo Ri is lucky she is able to bounce out of something she didn’t have to much control over. But anyone know a days in k-pop or what ever wouldn’t be able to live they wouldn’t have a career.

    if Justin Bieber was Korean he wouldn’t be singing anymore with the way he acts just imagine if he had copyed stuff he was singing. (i am not saying he is the one who would have copied i am saying “the songs he has are copied.” that kind of had) either way he would be kicked to the road.

    But i am glad this is talked about :)

    • Josh Chinnery

      If JBiebs was Korean, the boy would have been publicly flogged for spitting on his fans. In fact, he should still be fogged, anyway; you don’t do stuff like that, it just goes to show about how much you really care about your fans. Anyway, seems like Lee Hyori has had a rough uphill battle with dem copyrights. The only major case of copyright infringement and plagiarism I’ve heard about her is the one surround her H-Logic album.

  35. Min Kim

    Absolutely no copyrights on songs too! Intro part of JYJ’s was used by a girl group and what did them and their management had to say? One casual oh-i-didn’t-know,-it-was-a-mistake-Sorry!

  36. estherisswag

    KOREAN VARIETY SHOWS USE JIGOKU SHOUJO’S OST WHEN THEY HAVE SCARY SCENES! I can recognize that track ANYWHERE!

  37. estherisswag

    Ok let me tell you my experiences about these in Korea…. Well my boyfriend’s. He’s a Korean, studied in a university in Korea and one day for his assignment he had to write a paper like we all uni students do. He then showed it to me to review it and after reading it I was like “Wait… where are your citations? Where is the MLA? the Chicago? The pages upon pages of Bibliography or Works Cited? Where did you even get this from?!” Turns out he copied them straight off the internet and other books. And apparently according to him, it’s normal to do that in Korean Universities. No citations, NOTHING. I busy picking my jaw off the floor then. I was like “ARE YOU SERIOUS?! WE GET KICKED OUT OF UNI FOR THIS! THIS IS THIEVERY! PLAGIARISM! ” But nope, he proceeded to get an A for his paper….as did everyone else in the uni who probably did the same thing. And he did tell me that in uni, teachers didn’t teach them this sort of thing (citing and stuff) and didn’t take action even if people did what he did (copy stuff off…anywhere and everywhere)

    Fast forward and he was in USA for 3 months as an exchange student. Soooo for an assignment he proceeded to do the same! You know… copy off the internet and write it and submit it. Only this time he got called to the teacher’s office and he was questioned. And then he stilled didn’t know what he did wrong. He even went on to ask me “What did I do wrong? I WROTE IT! Why did she say it’s not my work?” Perhaps to them if they took the effort to look for the information and write it and actually work on it, it’s considered their work? I don’t know but I had to sit him down and say “You see honey, in Canada or USA, we get kicked out if we fail to cite our sources. Korean uni’s are the lax ones….”

    So there you have it. Plagiarism, it’s ok and a norm even in uni. *gasps in horror*

    • jayeon55

      It’s crazy how big it is, but it’s like that in most parts of asia and etc. When i was in college in canada there where a few chinese students in my class they would copy each others works and would all hand in the same thing. They where lucky and didn’t get kicked out but they wern’t aloud to have usb sticks in the class and if they did we had to give them to the teacher.

      Like i get so scared when i write a paper or design something i don’t want people to think i took but i have had people just take an imagie and copy it. i think the thing is they don’t think that it’s such a big deal. it’s like you bothered to look it up and read and write it out so you get an A. Which i know university is harder then that in Asia but what i have found is Korea and other asian countries seem to focus more on tests then writing Essays. Where in America and Canada we focus and are taught to come up with are own ideas and present how we got thoughts ideas.

    • Alexandra Huang

      @jayeon55:disqus Yup it’s true, er well, though I’ve never studied in Asia and experienced it first-hand, I believe what I’ve read about it. The culture focuses stresses getting high marks so much that the ethics of achieving them all are only a minor detail.

  38. grrrr even as a korean myself, it is defiantly frustrating and annoying that tv shows are blatantly using other peoples music and content without consent even if its from someone high profile and powerful that could easily take the show down

  39. oh boy this topic ! From personal experience this happens in my country A LOT. I’m Costa Rican and a graphic designer and the copyright infringement happens more or less like the way you describe it in Korea. In more than one occasion I have had to deal with clients who come to me and say:

    “so I would want for you to do something like this logo but with different colors…or exactly like this corporate image just with our name on it……or I would like to see this kind of picture in our final image”.

    I was taught and honestly believe that one most take the client’s main ideas and transform them into something new and original and explain and educate them in the reason why taking somebody else’s logo or download images from internet without pay them first is not only illegal but demoralizing for the original designer and the designer that’s working with them at the moment.

    This is changing little by little but still people don’t seem to understand the real gravity of it all. Actually the biggest problem in getting to fix this problem here in Costa Rica, aren’t the clients but other so-called “designers”. Alot of the times if the clients doesn’t get the whole ” I can’t and won’t ripp off my fellow designers just because you don’t understand the meaning of stealing” they just simply say no to you and go somewhere else, usually this people not only will charge less for the job but don’t care much as long has they get paid and in most cases the quality of the final product is so cheap that actually make all the other designers look like A-holes who have wasted all those years in college simply for not complying with their demands.

    Also like someone said there in another comment, a lot of this problem has to do with the mentality that “I live in a very small country so the big companies or the celebrities from other parts of the world won’t even bother to look at their tiny “backyard” to sue me for “borrowing” their image”. In all is just really frustrating, dissapointing and demoralizing.

  40. Diana Cristina Munteanu

    i have seen the show posted on youtube and was expecting you guys to link it on your blog as you did with other shows that you participated in but instead i find this post here ……. hm….
    can’t you like sue them or something???

    • AudreyKoopman

      Can I ask you what show it was?
      I saw a comment that said S&M were in the thumbnail for the video, but I don’t see one on the youtube page :P
      I’m quite curious about what all was used.

  41. Applesauce 21
    Applesauce 21

    Martina and Simon – you guys have very beautiful teeth :D

  42. Aymet Marie

    Hola Simon and Martina, I am applying for Seoul National University for the Aerospace Engineering Program and by what it seems my chances of getting in are pretty good. The only thing that worries me is the living in Korea, I know you’ve talked about foreigners in Korea but you mostly speak for North Americans, Europeans and Non-Korean Asians. The thing is that I am Dominican, and I would like to know what Koreans think of Hispanics. Also my english is not very good and is mostly self taught and would that be a problem over there? I’m Trying to self teach my self a little of Korean but I don’t know if it would help. Gracias.

  43. Gracie グレイス

    Awesome video guys. Sad to hear about the socks, I really want a pair :P

  44. Laura Filth

    Question , because i am a little confused when you guys use Taemin on your shirts and B2ST is that the same thing or is it different? (I am a little bit of an idiot so bear with me)

  45. It’s so interesting that you had this as your topic this week. I went to a meeting where a lawyer talked to us about intellectual property. If anyone tells you that changing a product to a certain percentage (not sure how much it was… 70%?) makes it free game, that is totally incorrect. If you’ve produced it, you automatically have some rights to it as well. Write it down, make it, document your creation and you can fight pretty much any copyright infringement from those pesky intellectual thieves.

  46. Simon Darling

    i do hope you are sueing those motherfuckers

  47. Hey Simon and Martina!
    I was wondering what the deal with profanity is in South Korea? In the west (America where I live) Cussing or the use of profane words is very common in our society (like music, television, movies etc). I was wondering what Korea’s view on that are. Is it taboo? Do Korean people curse in everyday life like people in the west do? Or is it something that is not part of society there? Thank you for being awesome!! ~Krista Sannuto

    • I would like to know more about this too. Plus, what do Korean curse words translate directly to in English? Most subtitles sort of just put a roughly similar English curse word, so I can’t tell if they’re actually saying something that “proper” society would frown upon in Korea.

    • Golbinnom

      korean people curse a lot, just not in tv (watch movies, you’ll notice that)

  48. Ah man…. this comes up a lot in our conversations. I think Korean people will have to get used to paying more for things as well for this to change. I’ve had discussions with my husband and Korean friends about things like cards, because they will complain about the cost of something like a birthday card in Australia when they can get something in Korea for about 50 cents… but often those cards are using an artist’s work without permission. They are cheap because the images have been stolen and they didn’t pay the artist. As an artist I prefer paying a lot more for a nice card where I know people are being paid properly.

  49. Haha the thumbnail is awesome. I have some Obama socks.

  50. jokerfish

    omg you touched on variety shows. That’s when I’ve noticed Korea disregard of copyright the most. I mean playing hit songs was one thing but they played “happy Birthday” and I almost lost my mind. Nothing uses Happy Birthday ’cause it’s so expensive to use x_x

  51. I am not surprised by this TL;DR showing up lol, and by the by, I’m just throwing this out there, but I can say that as a librarian, libraries actually buy the rights to share the materials in their collection. (And if you lose or damage the book and you think the price is a little high to replace it or you think “why is there a ‘processing fee’?” now you know why~)

    Anywho, I don’t really care for brands too much so getting a knock off has never appealed to me, and neither has going to a certain place because a celebrity has endorsed it. THAT SAID, I know I wouldn’t want people to use my face on something without asking, and I certainly wouldn’t want people to claim anything I create as their own.

    Sometimes I show support to brands, because their products work for me and work well, or their products are of good quality and their business model is more ethical. So when people make or buy knock offs of those brands, it kinda sucks because that’s less support they receive. Then there’s also smaller creative ventures like EYK that I enjoy, so I support EYK and would feel put out should someone make money off of EYK without permission. I guess consent is really the name of the game though eh?

  52. IsabelKibum

    Wow very serious TL;DR. I hope you guys don’t have to put up with any shit from any company who takes yours stuff. But on a side note, can I just say how good Simon and Martina look? You guys have lost a ton of weight and you look sooooo incredible (not that you didn’t look gorgeous/ handsome before)!

  53. thisisjustforfunval
    thisisjustforfunval

    All this kpop sock talk saddens me because they are always way to small for my feet. And I don’t even have that big of a foot :(

    I would stay more on topic but as a designer for a major global company I have copy right rules and laws coming out of my ears sometimes. The hardest thing is getting people to understand why you can’t use certain logos/images/phrases/etc, even when you tell them the company could be sued. Thankfully that burden mostly falls on the shoulders of the various legal departments that have to approve all our package designs before they can be sent to print for mass market.

    • Josh Chinnery

      The average consumer cares not for copyright, because they have no idea how much it affects them in their daily life, and it really is a complicated beast.

      • thisisjustforfunval
        thisisjustforfunval

        Lol that is very true, unfortunately I’m having to explain this to marketing professionals…or supposed marketing professionals.

        • Josh Chinnery

          That must really suck. It’s hard enough creating original music these days when it’s *everywhere*; I can’t imagine the stress of having to create an original visual, and how hard it might become to really roll with it when/if people start tossing stones.

  54. Stephanie

    I have a question: up to what extent people violating copyrights in South Korea actually get ackowledged? (I’m not sure if I’m asking the right question). Reason is, I’ve observed tons of WANKing videos to see the shirts that you’re clothes you’re talking about w/ the whole brand thing. but some Korean shows have things like soda bottles name covered and occasionally don’t even allow the celebrities to name companies even if they’re praising it, Overall, I’m so confused how these copyrights issue works, and how it gets acknowledged.

  55. Anna Lam

    I really don’t understand WHY anyone would think “The Black Face” would sound alright? And how does it even make sense to call a bootleg version of The North Face that? Wouldn’t, you know, a different cardinal direction make more sense?

    Hopefully Korea can’t get their shit together eventually and stop ripping people off…they’re just getting a bad rep now despite their efforts of trying to appeal to a wider audience.

  56. Kyribean
    Kyribean

    I feel like I need to run out and buy 10,000 pairs of K-pop socks before they go extinct.

  57. heytheregreg

    Why do you guys continue live in Korea? Seriously….seems all your TLDR’s especially lately complain or knock the country somehow. I’m pretty sure you can blog about Kpop from another country. Ya know that this is no different then China or many other countries that take the Gucci logo, Prada, LV, Chanel…etc and put them on bags and export them and make millions of dollars every year without permission of the designers. Really guys, I loved your older videos but now things are just getting too much, there’s a saying…it goes: Quit while you’re ahead. Not just for viewers but for your own sake too. You guys claim to like living there and that’s why you’ve stayed so long but you sure complain a lot about it. Pretty soon you’ll get resentful and end up leaving the country hating it when you should hang on to the good memories you had….too bad, I really liked you guys gotta say *unsubscribe*

    • Sunflower

      Wow, I was a bit surprised by this comment. They have said repeatedly how much they like Korea, but of course some stuff bothers them, just like some things bother them about their home country Canada. I’ve lived in a foreign country too, and while I loved it there, there were some things that bothered me. No country is perfect, and the ability to actually talk about the bad things about Korea show just how much in-tune with Korea both Simon and Martina are. No country is perfect, that is something that needs to be understood. If one refuses to talk about the bad things, then no improvements can be done.

    • Amanda Appreku

      Just because you complain about a place doesn’t mean should move.or example if you’re going to a school that you think is pretty great and then after a while something bad happens, (bad grades, discomfort with students, a teacher, not enough recess) You not just going to LEAVE the school, simply because you’ve realised there as some things you don’t like. People live in countries all over that aren’t originally from and I bet they have a lot that they don’t like about that place but people don’t move about all willy nilly. So saying “Why do you continue to live in Korea?” is a bit of a n odd question, in my opinion.The world isn’t perfect, there are uncomfortable things and bad things about EVERYTHING, and if you love that something you should be able to say what about it that makes you uncomfortable and not just flee. I

    • Between Koreaboo and Tough love, I prefer the latter.

    • I don’t agree with your opinion, mainly because you can hate parts of something you love, (and also because people voted for the other TL;DRs so it wasn’t really their choice and I don’t want them to lie about their views) BUT I never thumbs people down for opinions… I only do it if it’s spam or just outright hate, so I am using this reply as an apology for one of your Vote Downs. I thought it was the button to push so I can see the replies to your comment! (Although if you’re unsubscribing I suppose it doesn’t matter, but just in case~)

    • This comment was unnecessarily negative and judgemental. Are you watching the same videos as everyone else? Simon and Martina have said so many times how much they love Korea. Loving Korea does not mean loving every little thing blindly. That would be pretty stupid. I love Korea, I’m married to a Korean man but we have lots of discussions about problems Korea has because there is nothing wrong with talking about that! We talk about problems in my country as well. In fact we often talk about problems in our own countries more than things we love about our own countries. Why? Because once you’ve said what you love about a country you can end up saying the same thing over and over. Exploring issues a country has takes a lot more time because there are many angles to look at and a lot more to say. But it doesn’t mean that you hate the country or even become resentful. If anything… talking things through means you understand it more and have less reason to be resentful.

      It makes sense for there to be many videos that touch on negative things in Korea because Simon and Martina have lived there for so long and have a better understanding of someone who just blindly loves Korea but haven’t even visited. Also people are asking them questions! Of course there will be some negative stuff. I’ve never seen Simon and Martina being really derogative about these issues either. These copyright issues are something close to their heart because they are creating content that is being stolen. Have you ever stopped and considered what it’s like for creative people to put in all that work and have someone else make money off it? Have you thought about how rude it is of you to just dismiss it like “this is no different then China or many other countries that take the Gucci logo, Prada, LV, Chanel…etc”. Or how rude it is to tell them to quit… Wow.

      • I think what “heytheregreg” meant was that this whole topic is no different then other countries (and they said” not just China” of copying designer stuff and re-selling it, they also said I’m pretty sure you can blog about kpop elsewhere, not to “quit”

    • AudreyKoopman

      You have some pretty messed up logic, especially for someone who claims to be a fan of their older videos. You must not have ever paid attention to anything Simon and Martina have said. They put disclaimers on nearly every TL;DR. They always state how much they love living there. Why the heck would they move just because they have something to complain about? I complain about where I live, where I go to school, where I work all the time. But I have no plans to “Quit while I’m ahead” because that’s more of a setback than anything. And it’d be a setback for Simon and Martina in what they want to do with their lives, which is what they’re doing now.

      And why bring China into this? They never said these actions are limited to just Korea. They’re just stating how they’ve personally experienced these things in Korea.

      But I can see you’re the type of person who can’t handle little negatives and quits while you’re ahead, you know, leaving resentful instead of hanging onto those good memories.

      (Waiting for the thumbs down to match those of every other person responding to your post, disagreeing with it. Yeah, you don’t like little negatives, do you?)

      • this reply (AudreyKoopman) made no sense

        • AudreyKoopman

          Haha, really now?
          Well, considering you made sense of that atrociously written original comment and your own poorly written comment, your (Sandra) critique of my reply means absolutely nothing. Thanks for stopping by though^^

          Seriously though, what’s with putting my name in parentheses? You replied to my comment, it becomes more than a little obvious you’re referring to what I said..

  58. Nicole Parrillo
    Nicole Parrillo

    There’s an “Abercrombie and Fitch” store outside Suwon Station. I lol’d because I was like “that’s definitely fake.” Sure enough, that company is US-based only. :P
    I’ve noticed, too, that they rip off a LOT of stuff that you would never ever get away with in the US (or many other places). Are you really that lacking of original ideas that you have to blatantly copy not only the name of a brand but the logo, and the style as well? Jeez…. why even bother if you can’t think of your own ideas?

  59. Christine

    that’s so true, they make all these fake brands copying the logos but tweak it. i myself have a pair of shorts that have PINK on the butt but the little doggy logo is so not pink’s…looool it’s missing its ears
    BUT NO MORE KPOP SOCKS???? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    i’ll try to explain the logo part a little bit: i’m korean so i can see why it’s not that big in korea. intellectual property as a whole isn’t really considered “property,” although as you said, it is gradually changing now. i guess this can account to the more group-oriented mindset so seeing just a logo as something they have to get permission for is seen more ridiculous than not asking permission for it. it’s like “well just bc you made it doesn’t mean you can’t share it” and a lot of those logos, like apple or nike, are HUGE companies anyways with big profits and those korean companies ripping off the logo know they’re not gonna get even close to that much money so it’s like “no big deal.”

    although the TV show *coughKBSworldcough* downloading your stuff is messed up. they are so tightass about taking their variety show vids off YT but they’re completely ok with taking other people’s videos from YT wtf

  60. kawaii_candie
    kawaii_candie

    you know you should totally sue that company, right? you guys are too nice.

    i hope they find out about this video and get scared.

    dumbasses… -_-

  61. LongClawTiger

    So, how do we get your permission if we want to use EYK stuff? Like if I want to call my fantasy football team the Nasties and use EYK logos and such with links back to you guys, is that ok? Or is there a formal permission process or anything?

    • Emilie

      Well, this past spring semester I was in a Web and Digital Media Design class and we had an assignment to make a video. A huge part of the class had focused on learning copyright laws, so when it came time to make my video, I decided to put what we had learned to the test. I wanted to use Simon and Martina’s music from their WANK/FAP FAP videos in my video, so I e-mail them and asked them for permission to use the music and told them I wouldn’t be uploading it anywhere. :) They said it would be fine since it was for a class project, so I would just try e-mailing them about it and explain what you would like to do. ^-^

  62. Dear Simon & Martina:
    CAN THERE BE SPUDGY AND MEEMERS SOCKS? xD

    pretty please with rainbows and ranch on top <3

  63. I understand what you guise are saying and agree with you 100 %. …but I don’t think you could do something about it…individuals can’t win against a big company…and even if it’s a smaller company, I think it would be a great financial loss and still it won’t be certain you win…(court processes are so life-draining). I guess this is probably how some music artists/(art) artists feel when they see their work displayed somewhere else without their aproval and even worse, seeing it being distributed to the public for free (when they worked hard for it).

    …that’s how life is..in the end… more bad than good things happen… and you always have to try and see the brighter side more…..to balance out the bad side…

    I know that…when something bad happens you feel like all are coming at you at once… sometimes… I don’t know what to do to make you guise feel more at ease… おかあさん …おとうさん がんばって ください!!! > . <

    http://getchanceandluck.deviantart.com/art/Yamada-264154069

    ♥♥♥♥♥♥

    • Josh Chinnery

      That’s pretty much why a lot of big corporations get away with stuff; they have the money to keep a lawsuit going and the power to make it go their way if they really wanted it to

  64. Guise, you never did your honeymoon TL;DR. Would you plez describe it, and if there were any funny stories? :)

  65. Cairistiona

    This just reminds me that when I was in China two weeks ago there were (Chinese) products with Yoona’s face on the advertisement posters, and I thought, “well there’s no way she’s endorsing that…”

  66. Not Applicable

    Speaking of this topic… I thought I heard EYK music used on a Jenna Marbles video…. But I saw this video a while back… Maybe I’m wrong…

  67. KATHyphenTUN
    KATHyphenTUN

    Great topic! had fun reading through the nasty comments too! There are some interesting opinions floating around here!

  68. Ayesa Palos

    Seriously, I do know that if every single hollywood stars, corporate owners of the said product, the GM of Chicago bulls saw those illegit usage 100% sure they will be all shut down. I know it will be a pain in the a** but its the idea of other people that they are using. For you two Simon and Martina I feel your pain when other people use your videos without any permission. Such a pain. Come on Korea you must use your creativity to create your logo.

  69. alex saunders95

    I hate how people seem to have no respect for people or their property I can only hope that the next generations will do better :(

  70. Amanda Appreku

    This comment is addressed to Martina, Simon, SooZee or Leigh (when she gets back). Y’know, whoever happens to open it first. In your most recent TL;DR: TL;DR – Intellectual Property and Ripping Shit Off in Korea, you mention so many things that I sometimes don’t even think about since the type of copyright stuff does not concern me yet (at this stage in my life anyway). A lot of people agree with what you’re saying and I generally don’t approve of people taking stuff from other no matter WHAT country it is. BUT as a result of this video, some people think you guise might not be doing your videos so… legally, either. I honestly just want to know. Here is a comment from the video. “wait this bring me to a question does eatyou’tkimchi get permission to use k pop clips they show on eatyou’rkimchi show? like from any of k pop agencies like sm/jyp/yg??” <—(word for word). I hadn't really thought of it like that and if I did, it wasn't a prominent thought in my mind. So I asked about the people who do reaction videos and this same person said, "thats really up to them some people do reaction to connect with other k pop fans i know some very populer k pop reaction vlogger is nolonger doing it any more because she recived multiple warnings point is SandM is pobly illegally using k pop clips" <—(word for word, again. So. Much. Grammar. Mistakes.) I don't think this person has malicious intent but it caught my attention. Anyway I was wondering if you could talk about it in anyone of your segments for a little bit. It could be in a Kpop Music Monday or a TL;DR (not through the whole video but just a little something to inform people). And I'd like to know as well. Thank you for you time Mr.& Mrs. Stawski.*

    P.S. I'm really not sure what this qualifies as. I was wondering if it should just be a comment on YouTube (not enough space), a comment in your eatyourkimchi blog, or in the personal inquiries section. But I'm a bit confused now. Do you answer these types of questions in this section? I know you specifically say, "Is this a question for our TL;DR segment? Ask it in the comment section to our video!" But honestly if you do happen to answer this through a video, you can put it where you want because I doubt you'd want to make a full TL;DR about such a similar topic.

    P.P.S.*Does it feel odd/strange in ANY way to have strangers (first time viewers) and Nasties alike call you Simon and Martina? Do you feel, I don't know, disrespected in any way?*

    • Sorry I’m not Simon or Martina, but regarding the possible copyright infringement by EYK I’m pretty sure they aren’t doing anything wrong. S&M aren’t taking these KPOP MVs and saying “Hey look at what we did”. It’s more of “Hey look at this MV that (Band) released. Here’s what we think”. It’s like citing an author in a research paper. You can use a direct quote so long as you don’t claim you were the one that said it. Full credit is still being given to the band (and by extension the entertainment company) for every song they review.

      • Mishel Khan

        I’m a huge fan of Simon and Martina, I love watching their videos; and I’d love to stand up for them for that concept of “fair use,” but I can’t because they profit off merch with labels such as “Taemin” or “B2ST” Are they getting permission from B2ST or Taemin or their companies? I doubt it. Sorry to seem like such a bitch, but I’m just kind of pointing it out since I saw someone write it in the YT comments and I totally agree.

        • Anne

          There isn’t a problem with Taemin because it’s just a name. From a legal stand point they could be referring to anyone named Taemin. I know we all know which Taemin, but there’s no copyright on someone’s first name. As far as B2ST goes, I’m not really sure. There might not be a problem at all because their MVs and stuff are copyrighted but not their actual band name. But like I said I’m not really too sure about that one. Either way there’s no malicious intent behind the usage of either of these.

        • Josh Chinnery

          You hit the nail on the mark with the Taemin shirt; we all know which Taemin they’re talking about, but neither he nor SM own that name, so Simon and Martina are free to what they wish with the name. My guess with the Batoost and Bilasa shirts is that they’re legal, because those are fan-made names and the agencies do not own them like they do their official names.

        • Mishel Khan

          Understood, haha. But from my point of view, there was no malicious intent behind the usage of their videos during the KBS video, I think they’re just being hypocrites. But, I understand because they were NOT CREDITED AT ALL, even their watermark was covered. O well, there’s always different ways of looking at it.

        • just guest

          I think you understand the idea of copyright. From my understanding, EYK’s use of K pop video is for the information of new released music and review so it could fall under the fair use.
          However, the use of “Taemin” or “B2ST” for T shirts to sell can be very controversial. EYK is K pop related site so we know which Taemin they’re talking about. B2ST is that group’s unique name to represent themself. Recognizable name and image are part of intellectual property. EYK is lucky that SM and Cube are ignoring it.

          KBS’s use of EYK clip and reference for K pop or Korean Wave related program could also fall under the fair use, but it might be unethical since both S & M didn’t wanna participate in the show and are angry about it. I really wanna watch the actual KBS show with EYK’s clip, then I can know more detail. So far, this is my understanding of Korean copyright law.
          Anyway, it’s kinda surprising that many K pop or K drama fans don’t realize that they are taking advantages of loose side of copyright law by downloading K music and watching K show & drama for free (often illegally).

    • Great point, I agree

    • jokerfish

      copyright laws usually have a fair use clauses that allow for brief clips of copyrighted materials to be used as long as the person using the clips are compiling them in a unique way for one of a handful of purposes like commentary, news report, criticism, teaching ect.

      So because Music monday is a review/commentary/criticism video it’s within fair use to use clips to illustrate their points.

    • Barry Adams

      Jokerfish has it right. The insert only a small portion of the full video which is well within the fair use clause.

  71. Emely TheReaper Ramirez

    I think the only thing you guys can do now it learn about the laws and get a lawyer. I know you guys aren’t interested in that kind of stuff but you ARE a business now you know? It’s better to learn the laws so that you can protect yourselves and your business. I love EYK and I really wish you guys the best all of the time!!<3

  72. Huong Huynh

    I find it a little bit hypocritical of you guys when you guys used the socks picture that you found on the internet as your default picture. Did you asked for the owner’s permission before you used it? Don’t get me wrong though, I agreed with everything you said about copyright infringement though. It’s not just in Korea though, all of Asia and other developing countries are doing so. *shield up against the Nasties backlash for calling you guys hypocrites*

    • Alexandra Huang

      Hmm… just wondering… how do you know it was a clip that they randomly took off the internet? And why are you assuming that they didn’t ask permission? Or that they didn’t take the picture themselves?

  73. Pathryn34

    How badly would I been seen if I politely ask that you treat the s word as a inappropriate word and edit it out? I know many may disagree, but it is still one of the words I don’t want my young son blurting out in front of people. I really like the family friendly feel and being able to watch this with my family. Thank you for understanding.

    • Unfortunately, this isn’t a family show(it’s not appropriate for children at least).

      • Pathryn34

        The sad thing is that it used to be more so. Though I am not saying it was ever a kid’s show, it used to be where anyone could watch. It was even for educational purposes. Here lately, it has moved away from that. Simon and Martina even have mentioned something to that effect in their videos. This saddens me. I miss being able to watch it anywhere. Now I can’t even go to the Eatyourkimchi web page without seeing a word I consider inappropriate. All I am requesting is turning it into something like this: $@&! and adding it to the list of words they bleep out in the future. (I have caught it in past videos) I understand that this will be impossible in livechats, but this should not be too difficult for a video that is already going to be edited. I also think that the message inherent will not be altered with this small consideration.

        • Yes. I understand what you’re saying and I agree with you but with more popularity problems increase. They’re human beings after all; they can’t keep a smiley face all the time. I know they’ve changed but we can help maintain a balance: support them by trying to understand them and look at the world through their eyes.

    • emily235

      It’s really only this video, and this is an issue they feel strongly about. Surely it isn’t too big of a deal.

  74. Koreabound

    …and when you go to all these places around Korea and make videos about them, do you pay all those establishments to film on their property and broadcast videos about them? I’m sure there are a few business featured in your fapfaps that would not be all too happy about how you represented them… It’s a two-way street, my friends. Sounds like the place that put up a poster of you guys felt like they didn’t really get their dues and that was the nicest way they could think of to get a little piece of the pie. If copyrights were more serious here like they are in the states or Canada, you likely could have had a lawyer at your door instead of a nice poster with your faces on it. Watch what you wish for…and also watch this very good documentary produced by the National Film Board of Canada: http://www.nfb.ca/film/rip_a_remix_manifesto/

    • I don’t remember exactly where… I think it was the WANK for Coffee Prince Shop? Yes, it’s that one (they have a blog post for it so you can probably search for it by typing ‘Coffee Prince’). They weren’t able to get in and film because they weren’t granted permission to do so. Meaning that they ask to film before entering and the restaurants/cafes/other locations say yes or no. I can’t speak for EYK when it comes to bigger private places like the women’s University they once featured though, (I imagine it’s harder than asking to see a manager for permission at a cafe) but asking for permission is also why they were upset about the pictures. They had the courtesy of asking before using the restaurant in their video, and the courtesy wasn’t granted in return.

    • Josh Chinnery

      They do ask permission if they can film inside establishments that they go to for their WANKs FAPFAPs, though. They have stated several times that they’ve been denied permission, and in said cases, they move on to another place to film.

  75. Kerrie Johnson

    The first time I ever saw S&M was on Mnet in DC. I thought they were just on the show at that time….wow. I’m kind of shocked right now.

  76. Tara Newby

    Gosh that is so frustrating for you guys. You are always welcome to rant to your nasties ;)

  77. Adam Whitsel

    Question: Do they have anything in the Korean copyright laws related to “fair use” like we do in the US, for example, if you wanted to upload a music video for the purposes of critical review and stuff like that?

  78. amandaaa

    can you talk about ghost stories or urban legends in korea
    like in america we have like none stop based on true events ghost story movies, like The Conjuring just came out.
    or since I am mexican we have la llorona, which is the weeping women, which is about a woman who drowned her children and killed herself and goes around looking for her children in the night crying out for them
    others like bloody mary, donkey lady, the devil dance.
    but do koreans have things like that? ghost stories, etc.
    I would really like to know, cause I plan on visiting korea soon and I love a good horror/ghost story or haunted places to visit
    ohhh so long lol

    • as far as my netflix goes most of the korean movies on their seem to be horror movies. im a chicken when it comes to scary movies so i wouldn’t be able to recommend any specific ones lol!

      • amandaaa

        yea I have seen most of them
        but I want them to speak about something based on a true story or a place that is really haunted in korea
        I really dont like scary stuff cause I do have nightmares after, but for some reason I cant get enough

    • JenniferSakraida

      I would love this! I know Japan has some pretty crazy ones. I mean crazy like I doubted if it was a JOKE. Nope. There are poop demons in Japanese urban-lore. It should be fun to see if there are any overlapping legends with countries.

  79. Michelle

    What is Korea’s view on South America and the culture?
    HI

  80. Hmmm. I agree with what you guys said about everything. When you do your videos though it’s not really stroking Korea’s ego. Its more educational becuz you let us know the good and the bad of what you think. That’s what I appreciate most. I hope you guys get to be on a TV show in Korea.

    It would really be super duper awesome if you guys were to go on Running Man. I would love that soooo much.

  81. why don´t you sue them for using your videos?

  82. Bárbara Estefanía Conconi

    Hey guys, I always wondered: How can you make MMondays? (Because of the music copyright)
    :D Bye

    • Isabel Hernandez

      They do certain things that allow for them to go undetected. I suggest you look up the EXCEPTIONS that are listed in the laws of say… your own country, though I don’t know how strict your country is with intellectual property (Owning the copyright to your ideas). Again, I don’t expect many will do that, it’s too time consuming.

      I think it might have something to do with the fact that they only show 8 or so seconds long clip in their Kpop Music Mondays. If it was longer, then YouTube would block the videos. Not to mention, they list the person’s name, unlike the company that they complained about above who completely did not give credit to where credit was due: to Simon and Martina. They also link the video of the full song they are talking about, and that video was uploaded by the company that owns it. They always choose the official videos. In the description box of the official music video, the copyright is written there and the name of the company is listed as well. So, they are promoting the songs. Korean businesses may start to realize that Simon and Martina are free advertising, and S&M are an avenue to get their music out to their international audience. Besides, anyone can put a video in their playlist on YouTube because they aren’t claiming that they own the idea; a playlist is simply a list of one’s favorites.
      Plus, isn’t there some law that allows you to upload stuff if you are using it for critiquing? It’s not like they are trying to make money off of the song by blatantly incorporating the whole music video or track, they are just discussing it. Or also for educational purposes? There are loopholes.

  83. Stephanie C

    Hmm…I think it gets a little troubling when we start talking about copyrights and other things like this and talking about “Asian history” and “Asia’s lack of creativity”. Europe and America also had many phases of lax copyright and patent law, just not during the digital age. Also, there are many important arguments you need to work to to really well demonize all copyrights or the idea of lax copyrights. Part of the idea behind these concepts is to create monopolies/restrict access to technology, and limit flow of profit to one person or area, and this is where we have to think about the efforts of the United Sates and “Western world” to maintain their lead and dominance over the world (mostly the States…) So yeah, I would get mad if someone said something I made was there’s, so I understand where many people come from, but it gets tricky as we move up onto institutional levels and technologies that affect people’s lives. The truth is if struggling nations observed patents and copyrights, well, they would be at a serious loss. And sadly that’s because its part of the point on the larger national levels when forming planet and copyright policy, its about maintains technological resources, knowledge, and dominance. Of course you can argue if Korea requires this or not or anywhere else but its something to thin about.

    Also many of you say how hard you try to explain this concept of copyright to your Korean coworkers friends but they don’t get it. Sorry but that is pretty freaking elitist for you to think they don’t understand. Of course they do, they just don’t think that way. You may need to put more effort in to understanding.

    • i am me

      I kind of understand what you’re saying but neither Korea nor China are struggling nations.

      • Stephanie C

        Well thats what I said, you could maybe argue about to what degree Korea may want to start protecting their property and what to do when, inevitably, intentional lawsuits become more viable and possible, and the struggles or lack thereof for start ups in Korea may support or not support-its debateable and I think more complex than Korea’s GDP or standard of living.

    • Cyber_3
      Cyber_3

      There are definitely some cases where copyright/trademarking has gone WAY too far and is affecting innovation and actually people’s lives (Monsanto, genetic markers, cancer dna, etc.) but sometimes it can be hard to draw the line. For example, if you invent the most wonderful and awesome sewer system in the world and it took you millions just to develop, test, and perfect your idea, is it fair to make you just GIVE it away because it benefits everyone? Almost no one would go to all the trouble if they believed they wouldn’t be compensated in some way. I’m not saying it has to be big bucks, maybe credit for the idea? costs of development? royalties? It’s a dilemma that needs resolutions sometime soon.

      I think that the discussion in this video/blog is more related to “art” than tech though, and those copyright laws have been around a looooooong time. I am glad that Simon and Martina benefit from their hard work so that they can keep on doing it but I am also glad that I get to enjoy it essentially for free (I support them by whitelisting EYK on my browser). I think that you would have a hard time argueing that I am owed my KMM or that somehow my life is so much better from watching EYK videos that it’s an essential service (as much as it might feel that way to some people). Or that Simon and Martina are stifling creativity by not letting every Tom, Dick, and Harry use their content as they wish. It’s not really the same discussion.

      • Stephanie C

        I’m not arguing that second thing, I even mentioned that (When its your property, the beginning mentioned its about the discourse not Simon or Martina’s situation). I never called there service essential. I wasn’t really talking about them, I was just talking about the idea of the absoluteness of intellectual property and how we construct it, and the people who use it. A much larger scale, like, how we talk about it, what we say, what we think about the people involved and thus how we regard them as human beings. I agree with you on some of those points–I was kind of talking about a different thing though.

  84. MidnightEkaki

    Oh how different they are to their Japan neighbors who wouldn’t even allow J-pop videos to be aired on an Asian music programme here (why??). I kind of hope these companies get sued to teach them a lesson.
    Anyway, this is so strange, since I’m studying graphic design we get taught how important it is to research and make sure your ideas haven’t been used already or you could get in a whole lot of trouble. I don’t know how they can be so carefree. My grandparents bought a “Fanasonic” tv lol, from a cheap Asian store (they still think its an official Panasonic one..). I think this problem is everywhere. You guys should totally sue them for using your material though, how dare they…

    • Javii_mii

      “how important it is to research and make sure your ideas haven’t been used already or you could get in a whole lot of trouble”

      I think that’s not quite okay either. You know that some people invented the Computer at the same time – in totally different places without knowing each other? So yeah, it does happen that two people have the very same idea without even knowing anything about the other one or his/her idea. I think the difficult thing there is that there is not really something that helps you to draw the line. – One person paints a yellow sky, a blue cloud and pink and white tulips on the ground. – So everyone who does this has to have copied this picture? That would ruin the whole art-scene where certain things and themes are the whole point of the current trend.

  85. Really appreciate you posting on topics like this and the complete non-enforcement of laws against prostitution in Korea. Maybe you’ll educate those defensive nationalist netizens a bit too. It frustrates me so much to see all the open, shameless sale of bootlegs in Asian-run stores in Canada. Our border controls just can’t keep up with it. There’s a serious lack of respect, maybe even comprehension, of international copyrights and trademarks in Asian society.

    The defamation laws are crazy. Explains how those clubs in Korea can grab girls off the street and drag them in, which amounts to abduction/assault.

  86. Richard Hollingsworth

    Copy right, prostitution, driving while using cell phones are all against Korean law…enforcement is the issue. Safety week causes everyone to get pulled over, but the other 51 weeks seems a free-fire zone.

  87. so basically they wanted you to show off to koreans how great korea is? would they actually watch that?
    i mean…i don’t watch shows about foreigners living in germany talking about how awesome the pretzels and beer are around the oktoberfest season. i don’t get anything from that
    they should be more like hermione with muggle studies in hogwarts. you know, seeing it from a foreigners perspective and learning something

    • Javii_mii

      I thought the same thing. – It does not really make sense. – But well, they said this thing about pride. – Maybe it gives some Koreans a feeling of superiority when some foreigners praise them and their culture from time to time.
      But we have it here from time to time as well. – You know in some shows when some foreigners are there and say the one or another thing (Only “Wetten dass…” comes to my mind) about things they noticed and liked? It is nice to hear that from time to time – but that’s two sentences on a small-talk-sideline here.

      • oh yeah, i get that. it does feel nice when it’s a few comments, but i guess i would get bored really fast if i heard the same thing every week or so.
        (wetten, dass…..i don’t remember the last time i watched that xD)

    • Barry Adams

      I’m thinking it would be done in the way of the variety shows that visit different places in Korea. Running Man I know in particular always makes a point of pointing out the local cuisine, scenery, etc. to entice people to visit. Probably something along those lines but with foreigners instead of Korean nationals.

  88. Javii_mii

    Well… Copyright goes two ways in my opinion.
    The one way is, that people who do their work should get paid for it. – That regards the artists named in the comment section whose work was stolen, or S&M whose work was used even though they did clearly not agree to it. The point is; other people than the makers made the money with it. That is clearly not okay.
    But the other way is that big companies block everything and sue you for everything … or try to. What do I mean? I mean that it is almost impossible to make the legal copy of a movie for yourself because the DvD / Blueray has all sorts of protection. I mean that you can not watch a stupid Video on Youtube because in the background(!) might(!) run a song that some publicing Agency (namely; GEMA in Germany) has not granted the publishing rights for – and youtube blocks all these things because they could but don’t want to afford a lawsuit (some million I guess) – and some people have been in trouble for just covering a song or publishing the sheets, they did not buy but heard with their own ears from the song itself. And I dare say; EYK would not work in Germany because they would be sued for every KMM they do (which would be kind of legal because they do make money of their videos in some way – but still not okay). And this is where the Copyright-fun ends. That is not okay anymore. That just ruins the fun of “intellectual property” as in “when you want to enjoy intellectual property in any way you gotta pay for it. Period” – and it doesn’t matter if it’s just for your private entertainment without any gain (except for having a fun time).

  89. i am me

    I’m all for upholding copyright laws but I don’ regret my three pairs of TOP socks and one Taeyang sock (the other one got lost) that cost me 1000 won. I also got a pair of capri sweat pants with the Micky Mouse logo for under $10.

    Speaking of copyright infringement, I’ve watched Kdramas with non-Korean songs which I’m sure they don’t have permission to use. There is also all those Louis Vuitton bags that all those Korean ladies seem to be able to afford. But supposedly they’re strict with downloading illegal music.

    • Josh Chinnery

      I’ve heard that piracy is ultra rampant in Korea and that digital sales mean almost nothing because they gotta price stuff really low to compete with it

  90. greenecrayon

    I’d love to hear if you guys were able to get any sort of resolution from “broadcasting company that shall not be named.”

    I realize that being such a small company in the shadow of the extremely large company that it could almost not be worth it to pursue any sort of recompense. However, I do hope that you were able to because the audacity of what they did just bowls me over. Maybe that’s my Music Business Degree that’s talking (cannot tell you how many hours I poured over copyright law). I think I will be unsubscribing from the youtube feed for that company as a result of this. It’s hard to support a company who pays no respect to others.

  91. Christina Spaulding

    big international broadcasting company in korea? sounds like either KBS or arirang. i know they do big stuff for international audiences and they’re both REALLY popular.

    • My guesses were Arirang or Mnet. KBS is a possibilty, too.

      • it was for sure the one that starts with a k because i was watching the vid when it was taken down from youtube. i paused the video to get some water and when i tried to play it again it said it was a private video. D: it was a very nationalistic video. they were like this is korea in Africa helping poor people; this is our culture being loved by foreigners; this is k-pop being loved in south america. but they did hit some important points when they said that they were bound to have a diminishing Hallyu wave before long if they didn’t change things.

    • Josh Chinnery

      It was KBS; they took it down when people started to make a big fuss about it, but there are copies floating around le Internet

  92. Hawa Hamza

    Copied Right In Fridge Mint <– NigaHiga reference :P

  93. Tea Kvaki

    I noticed some copyright changes by buying Super Show DVDs. Live Heechul did the Lady He He, but you can’t find it on the DVD.

    • yanagiba yusuke22
      yanagiba yusuke22

      wat copyright change do u mean?

      • Josh Chinnery

        I think he meant changes to the set made because of copyright. I highly doubt that SM has enough money to pay for the royalties UMG would demand for one of their top tier artists’ music.

      • Tea Kvaki

        On the first two Super Shows are all performances, but on the 3. there are solo stages missing.

      • Tea Kvaki

        Seems my reply wasn’t posted?
        I bought Super Show 1~3 and on the first 2 there are all solo performances and on the 3rd one thery’re all cut out. Like for example Lady He He

        • yanagiba yusuke22
          yanagiba yusuke22

          in ss2, wookie sang insomnia n ss3 lady hee hee performance….is there diff when they sang the eng song n they played the lady gaga song? is that means of the copyright?

        • yanagiba yusuke22
          yanagiba yusuke22

          is there any diff when wookie sang insomnia ni ss2 with lady heehee??

        • Tea Kvaki

          In ss2 there are the performance of insomnia, but in ss3 they didn’t leave lady hehe. Even thought he performed.
          Same as for UKiss Japan live tour. Eli did a solo performance and covered a neyo song. It’s not on dvd

        • yanagiba yusuke22
          yanagiba yusuke22

          hope they will not move out move like jagger from dvd ss4…

  94. JenniferSakraida

    There definitely copyright laws in Korea, especially because I can think of various issues with copyrights over the years. Mostly with music, (Baby V.O.X being sued by 2Pac’s Mom, Hyori was sued twice for copyright infringement, etc) But I think it is like you said, many people probably think “what are the chances they are going to notice?”

    And it is a big deal if you get caught. I was reading an book about television in Asia. In the chapter for Korea, it was mostly about how Korea for awhile was being sued left and right by Japan for copying shows. They would even send writers to Japan for several months to watch shows to copy them. It quickly stopped once Japan started to notice, and people got “punished.”

    It is kind-of funny since Japan seems to be REALLY strict about their copyright stuff. I remember a fansite for Miyavi was made when he first debuted. The owner was asked to take down ALL photos of him since his own image was his copyright. Not even photos from concerts that fans took. Heck, did you know that America’s home videos is actually a show format paid to Japan? Apparently a variety show had ONE segment that was just home videos, and they were able to say “Hey, we can sell you this copyright to make a whole show of videos that people make.”

    Some people say that the eased up copyright laws is because Asian “art” has a lot of copying going on. As an asian artist in ye-olden days it usually meant copying the “masters.” And if you study Asian art you get a lot of “This might be by this Artist, or it could be a copy of the original, or a copy of the style, we really aren’t sure” But I think this is just an excuse, and a little bit of crap. People try and see if they can get away with copyright infringement all the time when it is a different country. Just sit and think about this- how much Disney stuff is there copyright infringement in Korea? Probably none, because they have no problem sueing anyone, including daycares.

    • Josh Chinnery

      I can confirm that Japan is strict about their copyrights. It is very hard to find J-Pop videos on sites like Youtube, and if you do find them, they’re either really bad quality or only about a minute and a half. Most people say it’s because Japanese companies rely very heavily on sales of physical CDs (especially singles and albums packaged with DVDs), and you can’t really charge the prices they do (Japanese media is EXPENSIVE!!) if their media is easily found.

      I can also confirm that Disney has no shame in copyrighting everything and suing anything that even thinks of copying it. I had a friend who couldn’t make professional copies of photos she took when she was at Disney because of copyright and trademark issues.

      • JenniferSakraida

        Well I know that Disney sued the one day care center, which yeah is place that earns money, but it seems pretty low to sue a small business like that. Especially when a specific item isn’t being sold physically. (IE they aren’t selling Micky Mouse mugs that they made) I am just waiting for Disney to start sueing tattoo shops for giving Disney tats. XD I also know they are the driving for force for extended copyright laws in US. They’ve invested a lot of money in politicians that would fight to extend copyright laws. Because when Mickey Mouse becomes free domain, it would mean a lot of lost money for Disney.

        And thanks for explaining the Japanese videos thing. It makes total sense. Annoying when you just want to listen to recently released music, but makes sense. I know companies release CDs in multiple “limited edition packs” with bonus DVDs to boost debut sales. So fans will buy 3 singles instead of just one.

        • Josh Chinnery

          Something tells me that Disney takes the phrase “all publicity is good publicity” a bit too seriously >_> Like, why would you sue a daycare? Do you have anymore info about the case? Did they try to send a Cease and Desist letter first? Because if they didn’t… Good Lord, talk about the backlash o.O

          *ahem* In Japan, you’ll find that most of the time the CD singles and albums are just sold in two versions; CD only and CD+DVD (or if your Ayumi Hamasaki or Namie Amuro, CD+BD XD). I honestly do not get the J-Pop industry; I get that they’re not in the same predicament as K-Pop (oversaturation of the market forcing agencies to take groups international), but the way that J-Pop screws over their international fans is just blah, yo >_>

        • JenniferSakraida

          The daycares in question WERE doing copyright infringement. They were putting up paintings of Disney characters on the walls. So yeah, copyright infringement. But it is one of those things that you feel like they should of just let slide. It is a company with a large flow of money. The companies in question are not directly profiting by the use of the copyrighted materials. Apparently the case was a big deal because Universal released the information to the press:
          You can also google up Disney Sues Daycare and you can find old articles in newspapers about it.
          http://www.snopes.com/disney/wdco/daycare.asp

          Much agreed. I really dislike how expensive Japanese media is. I always bought my copies used because of prices. I RARELY bought things new. I would also buy the Korean releases of CDs. It rarely happened to anyone other than major artists like Ayumi Hamasaki.

        • Josh Chinnery

          I wasn’t denying that it was copyright infringement; if they were using Disney’s intellectual property, then it is what it is. What’s got me up in arms is the fact that Disney could have reached out to them outside the courtroom, and worked out a deal or something. I may be a little old fashioned but I think that just because you have the legal right to do something, doesn’t make it ethically right (or good for your PR department :P).

    • greenecrayon

      Do you remember the name of that book? sounds like a very interesting one.

      • JenniferSakraida

        It was called Television Across Asia, and it is now stupid expensive according to Amazon. I guess it went out of print. It is interesting but got pretty repetitive. It was most specifically about “formats” and how they were constantly being bought and modified for other countries. For example Who Wants to be a Millionaire was the biggest sell in Asia, but it was a little interesting to read about how it was a flop in a few countries.

        • greenecrayon

          Thanks so much for that information. Looks like I can get it from my Library so I’ll be checking it out.

          I love the nerdiness of this whole exchange…

  95. All these rip-off products don’t really surprise me because they’re sold on a large scale here in Poland as well (not long ago I have bought myself a rip-off Rilakkuma pencil case). What does surprise me is that huge companies seem to ignore copyright laws as well. But that broadcasting station is the only Korean channel I have on tv and I have always liked them for English subs and uploading whole episodes of their shows on YT… So I’m a bit sad to hear that they were unfair to you. Boo, broadcastingstationthatshallnotbenamedhere.

    It also makes me think of LED Apple’s MV for Someone Met By Chance ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSJ0FE8Cw7A&list=PLAAD9519AE1643CED&index=169 ). I was very surprised to hear Linkin Park’s music in the intro and thought “wow, it’s great that they agreed to use their song”. Now I’m not so sure if anyone asked them at all…

    Oh and regarding Samsung, I just happened to see that picture few days ago ;)

    • Josh Chinnery

      Funny, the Phantom of the Opera sample is the exact reason why I got into that song to begin with XD Also, Apple is not as innovative as you think. #JustSayin’

  96. Kika Penne

    When I bought exo’s album XOXO I got two pairs of socks with it. So a month ago I went running with Luhan on my feet. My sister wears Kai.

  97. No! i collect those socks lol
    I wonder if they took your videos out of spite 0.o

  98. Heeey Simon and Martina
    I don’t know if it’s been asked yet, but I wanna know how schools are different in Korea than in North America. I know you already did a TLDR about students in Korea, but yaknow, let’s go deeeeeeeper.

  99. Jane Patterson

    I thought it was funny you mentioned GD-TOP’s High High because that’s one of the instances of getting in trouble internationally that I know of — Playboy noticed and objected, and that’s why that video is not on YG’s official channel any more. (I don’t think they had to change the album packaging though.)

    • Josh Chinnery

      They did, though, and I’m actually really happy because the use of the Playboy bunny logo was tacky XD

    • naninoona

      they actually did have to change the packaging of their album. after Playboy noticed and said no, they stopped printing the original High High album design and released a repackaged version. i still have the original High High in gold. lol.

  100. 이베아

    Ill be speaking on experience here. Im an official KissMe of UKISS and many times i attend concerts, tours in japan, fanmeeting, and music shows~ I take pictures for my fellow KissMes who are unable to attend these kinds of events and also for those who are on the other side of the world. I put my watermark on the corners of my pictures before but suddenly a friend messaged me saying She saw my photos on another site but she said my watermarks were cropped out AND it doesnt give me any credits. the owner of the site took credit for my photos which I worked hard for and paid a lot of money to attend those concerts and take pictures all get stolen and some BS girl is getting all the credot =___= i was so freaking mad so i asked all my twitter followers to ask the owner of the site to take down my photos but the owner of the site just got mad at them so she didnt give us much of a choice except to bash her and report her. Im not all for bashing but if we talk to you nicely you better not spit in our faces. So we spread the news abt her on twitter and other fans from other fandoms also helped. She was even bashed on facebook as i heard so she took down her site. See? If she only listened to us and took down MY photos she didnt have to close down her site but well she got what she deserved in my opinion

    • I don’t necessarily condone that’ bashing’, but I understand that sometimes, it really takes that kind of force to protect yourself. I guess as long as the focus of it is stealing your photos, and being an immoral person for doing that, then it’s not like you’re wrong. So long as people don’t step over the line an start bullying the other person, insulting them for unrelated things and actually hurting them, rather than pressuring them….

    • I’ve had weird situations that are both similar and very dissimilar, but I’ll tell the story and you can take it from there and decide what to do. Also, I have NO IDEA what the legal standpoint on this kind of thing is, or how it will differ for you with pics of celebs, so people, please understand that before I begin!

      It was several years ago, probably around 2009, and a strange defamation website got into my f-locked LiveJournal entries by hacking into my sister’s account. For whatever reason, they loved to do “journal reviews” and bash people’s friends-only admissions, photos, etc., all over their site. They posted every bit of personal information they could get on me, and since I had put my address (for only my locked friends to see) to sen X-mas cards to, they posted my home address. They somehow got a hold of my phone number. They took my photos and copied text from my posts. They phoned me and harassed me and tried to terrify me with rape comments. It was pretty shitty, so I got mad.

      I started emailing their website and image hosting providers (big names included) and saying that these people had taken my copyrighted images (umm), and posted them without my permission while defaming my character. I said I was angry, but I kept it cool, telling the companies that I was sure THEIR mission was not to defame me, but that I didn’t want to have to take legal action against them. I asked kindly that they (the host) remove the images from their server (and advised them to keep an eye on these people they were hosting in case it landed them in hot water down the line) since the site owners refused any and all requests I made.

      While I didn’t get many responses BACK from these sites, surprise surprise, eventually the images started appearing broken, and I’d see that they had been removed. The site owners would hop to another image hosting service, re-upload my pics, and I would email them too. I just wanted to make it difficult and inconvenient for them (as they had made things for me!) while I figured out who on my f-list had been hacked, and we were able to change passwords. (This involved making a f-locked tag for each singular person in my f-list, making a whiney post only they could see – because the site was reposting everything that made me seem weak or pathetic – and then waiting to see which one appeared on their site about me.)

      So! That is my wacky story about getting people to remove my pics from their site… Don’t know how well it could work when it’s not a picture OF YOU, and the site isn’t causing damages to you, but it’s definitely food for thought I hope!

    • Cyber_3
      Cyber_3

      Or you could always use comedy, if that’s your tool of choice, like The Oatmeal:
      http://theoatmeal.com/blog/funnyjunk_letter

  101. Chantel Sanchez

    The only sad thing is those k-pop socks are going extinct!

  102. Ok guys, as much as I understand your annoyance at the station for putting up clips of you two without permission, the internet isn’t the place to go. You two sound (no offense) really whiney. “Wow this channel put us on without permission so let’s go complain to our fans”. You know how stupid that seems? You’re riling up thousands of pre-teen/teen “Nasties” against this channel, for something that honestly isn’t relevant to anybody but you two, and the company. Grow up a bit.

    • Ronald Snyder

      Simon and Martina make a living from their image and videos. “Grow up”? They are business people who’s business was just robbed, they have every right to vent. Just because something is on the internet doesn’t make it trivial.

    • greenecrayon

      I would argue that it’s relevant to anyone who considers creating their own brand at any point in time. I think they may have even let it go if during the process of the clips there was a call back to who Simon and Martina are and where you could see their shows. However, they were only listed as a Canadian couple with no mention of their brand, blog, or youtube channel. I personally loved this TL;DR, but as I said before, I studied copyright law while at University. I found this video to be just as informative and interesting as the ones about couple culture and sexuality.

      It could just be, this was just one of the videos you didn’t agree with. And that’s fair. I don’t always agree with them on their Music Monday choices, but I respect their opinions and love the dialogue that it creates.

    • Christina Spaulding

      i think it’s YOU who sound “really whiney” here.
      “oh, Simon and Martina have personally experienced a problem with the legal system and want to alert their viewers to the issue so no one else unknowingly falls victim? not talking about something that interests me? they must be immature selfish whiners. yes, that must be it.”
      basically what we all got out of your comment.

      the point of the video wasn’t to complain, it was to inform, which they did a great job doing. their personal experience with the issue is not the focus of the segment, but it really drives the point home. if the company is willing to take EYK videos without permission they’ll be willing to take other BIGGER videos without permission or credit if nobody says anything against it. and copyright infringement is a big issue, particularly in asia. (fake designer handbags are a big deal right now, guess where they come from.)

    • Seriously? I follow them not because I’m interested in K-pop – I can get my K-pop fix on my own. I’m primarily here for TL;DRs, WANKs, and Open The Happy-type posts where I can learn more about these fun, engaging people from my home country off in a world I hope to one day visit. Their voyage to YouTube stardom? I’ve been following it since about 2009, so I know they’ve come a long way, working hard and creating and developing their public personas.

      I have seen many situations where people – traditional 2D artists, musical, and otherwise – make public announcements about people stealing their material, ideas, products, etc., and asking that they support the original, or help boycott other companies/individuals exploiting their hard work for their own good. Even in K-pop – when 2NE1′s Hate You video was released, someone was making fan-made dolls and the creator of the /music video/ asked fans to boycott that person’s fanmade, OOAK merchandise. This isn’t a new thing, it’s not EYK, and it’s not unreasonable. On top of that they didn’t mention what station took their material, and sure that was because of defamation lawsuits, but they aren’t saying, “EVERYONE BAND TOGETHER AND LET’S TAKE THIS BITCH DOWN~!” They’re just stating the facts.

      Add to all that, why are you so sure everyone who is a Nasty is a teen or pre-teen? Are you too nervous about grown adults finding entertainment at EYK that you can’t imagine grown, legal adults finding interest here? Who really needs to “grow up a bit”? Not sure if you’re a troll (troll away in that case) or actually a grumpy fan who came all the way to the site to look at this and bash it, but I really can’t understand your frustration.

    • kitten_lilac

      First of all, I know that I can’t be the only adult who watches EYK. And this video was extremely informative about the state of copyright in Korea. I have previously wondered about this topic in relation to Korea, so I was glad to get some honest insight.

      Yes, they stated what had happened to them. It’s called giving a personal example. So many of their TL;DR’s, they aren’t able to tell us things from first-hand experience (such as dating culture), so it was nice to see something where they had personally gone through the thing they were talking about.

      Sure, there will probably be some kids who get riled up, but what will they do? Post upset comments? Netizens can’t hurt a broadcasting company.

      In closing, I don’t think that they sounded whiny. In fact, I think they handled the situation with more grace and humor than I probably would have. Having something that you’ve made taken from you and used without your permission is devastating and I think this was a productive way to move on.

    • Actually it’s relevant to many people. There are plenty of people who have their own blogs and create their own content. Bloggers are not isolated, there are whole networks of them where people who blog about similar things are connected. There are many blogs about Korean stuff that follow Eat Your Kimchi and the problems they have had is something that is really interesting and important to know.

      Also I actually don’t know many pre-teen/teen nasties. Everyone I know who watches EYK are in their 20′s and 30′s. While of course there are young viewers, you shouldn’t assume that the majority of fans are – or that Simon and Martina’s intention is to “rile them up”.

    • this place is filled with eat your kimchi blind fans, be ready for the downvotes

      • kitten_lilac

        One doesn’t have to be a “blind fan” to disagree with someone’s opinion. There are many times when I don’t agree with something EYK has said, since I’m a human being and I form my own opinions. But there are also times when I do agree with them. This is a topic which hits close to home for me, so I’m glad to know more about it.

        Just blindly dismissing all comments or “thumbs down” as being the work of blind fans is (in my opinion) rather rude. We are all capable of forming our own thoughts, it just so happens that most of us seem to agree that this particular video was very interesting.

    • Josh Chinnery

      I can understand exactly how Simon and Martina feel about their content being taken and used without permission or credit (I write and produce music). It’s copyright infringement, which S&M would have been publicly flogged for (in Korea, at least) if they did the same thing. Also, all of the EatYourKimchi fans I know are older teenagers with a little bit of common sense and intelligence, so… yeah. No -_-

  103. Thank you Simon and Martina for this video, it raised the level of awareness of us and of Korean people! I love your videos, they are very funny! I have become a Nasty fan!

  104. My friend’s face was put on a t-shirt once. She didn’t know until she saw a guy walking around with her face on it.

  105. Jennifer Strzelecki

    S&M Look! lol You are #5 :-D

    (Why Kpop Fans are the most passionate )
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/etchoeph/8-reasons-why-k-pop-fans-are-the-most-passionate-cdjj

  106. Nicoll Paatan

    IP and copyright in Asia isn’t taken too seriously. I think it’s because they have the ‘Why use my own lame creativity when someone from the States has already created it for me?’ kind of mentality. I guess it also extends to literature. Plagiarism in academic writing isn’t taught to students, well, at least it wasn’t explained as much when I was still studying there. Australia takes IP/Copyright quite seriously but sometimes it can be quite ridiculous (Men at Work’s ‘Land Down Under’ riff = ‘Kookaburra Sits in the Old Gum Tree’ controversy).

  107. If you think it’s bad in Korea, it’s worse in China lmfao. There’s a wholesale mall place in Beijing and basically all the stores would get super sued in America or Canada. And the fake designer clothes and bags omg. It’s actually pretty hilarious now that I think about it. There was a store named “Klein Calvin” lol

    Same goes to Pacific Mall as well (Toronto Represeeent xD)

    I think that people just gave up and stopped enforcing the laws as strictly (So yeah, I agree with what you guys said ^^)

  108. Mc Chan

    As a Graphic Designer I’m a little sensitive about this subject… (Yeap, people loooooooooove stealing logos and stuff!) So I feel for you guise…….. Oh, and I hope no crazy guy with gloves paid you no visit….. XD

  109. Leann Reemer

    Yeah that certain broadcasting company has peeved off many Big Bang fans. That’s why YGE has no contact with them at all.

  110. Jasmin Rodriguez
    Jasmin Rodriguez

    This is a another topic, but somewhat related to copyright. I understand about why someone would want to sue someone else for using their logo, name, etc. I would get mad if someone would take my pictures and claim it as their own. But this whole issue is very confusing to me. For example, I want to create a music video that uses a song that is not my own and pictures that are not my own because I have a really cool idea, I wouldn’t claim the pictures or song as my own and would absolutely give credit (I want to help promote the artist). But due to the laws I can’t. Is it wrong for me to do make the video anyway? I want to express something and help promote an artist, not make money. I could ask the artist for permission but (especially in America) it seems like everything is about making money that I would most likely have to pay to use the song. Now, I always try my best to use sources that have Creative Commons, but…I’m not very good at explaining things but what I am trying to discuss is the difference between using things for creative purposes and just blatantly stealing intellectual property for business. Is there a difference? What do you guys think?

    • Jane Patterson

      This isn’t the whole thing, but a reason that it can be a problem is that even if you aren’t making money, you are quite possibly *costing* the artists money — licensing is a huge part of making a living in most creative fields, and if your stuff is being used in a widespread way by other people it can either lesson the price the artist can get, or cause contracts can be cancelled altogether.

      iTunes does have some facility for having fanvids using other people’s music in a way where the original artist can earn royalties, but I’m not sure how it works, and it’s a bit spotty, especially with smaller artists (who of course are the ones who need it more.)

    • Josh Chinnery

      Depends on the artist and what label they’re signed to. If it’s uploaded to Youtube, then it goes through the copyright fingerprinting (it basically analyzes the audio and video and determines if it is copyrighted and what should be done if it is). If you’re lucky, the artist/label would have selected the “monetize” option which just turns on ads on the video.

  111. Rebeca Mejias

    What do you think of other artists using kpop songs? There’s this Dominican singer called ‘LA MATERIALISTA’ (The Materialist) that released a song called Chipi Cha Cha. The lyrics of the song are saying how she’s the best and everyone else is cheap. But…the track and the dance is from 2ne1′s I Am The Best.

    • Josh Chinnery

      Depends; is she selling it as her own or is she crediting YG Entertainment and 2NE1?

      • Rebeca Mejias

        She’s saying that the “borrowed” the music from a kpop group but the lyrics and everything are hers. plus she’s promoting the song to win money. I know that YG has been informed of this and that they took down the official mp3 photo video from youtube because of a copyright claim they submitted.

        • Josh Chinnery

          Hmm… Idk what to think about this. I think covers are alright as long as the original singer and/or their label is okay with it, and if there is money, the creator gets their cut.

  112. Nuclear Sunshine

    LOL! Well, years after I returned from a trip to Andong’s Hahoe Village a co-worker came back from their Korean Adventure and informed me that the moment they thought they had gotten away from any thought of work they picked up an information brochure to find a picture of me dancing with the national performers. As he left, he said they also have a poster.. SO next time I visit Andong I totally expect a free soda and admission for my support of the arts. ;) And God, I hope they don’t actually sell the poster…. =o

  113. I was extremely mad when i saw that video… becuse they take down translators from youtube, but they can do it with you… grrr… I’m still mad…

  114. Shannon Mary Paul

    I’m sorry you guys have to go through this………..T___________T

  115. Jarek Moromizato

    A small note on copyright issues and small countries. Back in the day (around 2005 to 2006), a couple of friends and I had the idea to create a streaming video channel dedicated exclusively to J-Pop, K-Pop and culture for countries outside Japan and Korea – and make the stream blocked in Asia (this was in the time streams from those countries were blocked to us as well), available through a small membership fee and translated into English and Spanish. We had the technical knowledge, we had the cultural knowledge – of course we weren’t loaded, but it’s something we believed in and wanted to put our effort and money in.

    First step, contact KOMCA (Korea) and JASRAC (Japan) and ask them what the fees for such an enterprise would be. We even translated the e-mails into Korean and Japanese respectively and called them numerous times. WE NEVER GOT AN ANSWER BACK. To this day, I am still guessing it’s because I was a nobody asking for information. After reading extensively, I finally reached the conclusion that there would be some international copyright enforcement. Yes, JASRAC and KOMCA had an agreement with the local music copyright agency in my country (APDAYC) for the activities we wanted to make.

    All bright and sunny, I went to APDAYC the very next day to inquire for more information. After waiting for three hours, they told us we had to make a list of the specific videos and content we would be streaming. Fortunately by then, we had our video libraries organized and sorted out to the point of being OCD-ish, so a list was ready pretty soon. The very next day I marched into APDAYC’s offices, presented the list along with my points of contact, and left. I STILL HAVEN’T GOT A RESPONSE FROM ANYONE YET – for those counting, it’s been seven to eight years.

    After hundreds of harassing calls, I got the information from a secretary saying that my petition would never even be viewed or considered, since they had NO INTEREST IN IT and I quote “it was too much of a hassle to even consider”. I ended up calculating the fees through the hefty PDF contracts they have available online and we would have had to pay around 10 to 15k USD in fees. Monthly.

    Since we never got an official response, even after wanting to make our channel official, we desisted. But, rest assured, if we had gotten that seal of approval, we WOULD HAVE PAID THE FEES. Shortly afterwards, our videos were banned one by one from all streaming video sites then (Youtube wasn’t one of them).

    Long story short, some copyright authorities are just lazy little b%&$#es who won’t lift a finger to help inform you on WHAT ou have to do to comply with law. They only dedicate to “enforcing” copyright, instead of actually innovating and helping the artists garnish profit.

  116. Since you guys brought it up, were there any laws, or lack thereof, that really surprised you when you first went to Korea?

  117. Amanda Ramirez

    Actually I was wondering about this when I starting viewing your Music Mondays. I notice that you put some clips of the music videos in your reviews and I was wondering if that’s ok in Korea? I know in America it’s really hard to use someone else’s (a very large and powerful company’s) video/music/pictures in their your own videos on Youtube without them being taken down.

  118. Tru O-c

    S&M, are you able/going to take action against the shall-not-be-named station for forcibly airing your videos without consent?

  119. Taryn Petersen

    I remember when I was little and some photographer took a picture of me when I was at a camp and then used it in an ad for welfare for orphans. Let’s just say that my mom was a little angry, lol

  120. jasilee

    my only two points of reference of copyright/patent laws in south korea
    1. my awesome bb cream has a registry number that can be checked for authenticity. local mega-Korea-mart sells fakes.
    2. kdrama “I Do, I Do” has a designer spying a knock-off of her shoe, chases down the culprit herself!! (in 4″ heel) and nobody really cares too much. she has to beat him and drag him into the police station personally and then file charges.

  121. Ben Warner

    I enjoyed the samsung burn ^^

  122. thanks guys ….I always enjoy the TL DR s…..so when the rookie girl group used jyj”s mission for their intro at a concert it was NO big deal then..?!!!! lol…..it wasn’t a big deal for me anyways…..btw did you already announce the winners of xia”s CD’s??

  123. Rebekah Stephens

    On the topic about using songs in a show, that happens a lot in American shows. I was told that as long as you use thirty seconds or less of the given song, you don’t touch on copyright issues. I don’t know how much of the song/s are being used on the shows you mentioned, but it is at least somewhat legal to use parts of songs, even big name ones like GaGa and Bieber.

  124. Yuberniz Yubi Orengo

    Now I’m curious, did you guys hear about this one incident recently where a Dominican artist, La Materalista, took the melody and the chorus from 2NE1′s “I AM THE BEST” and used it for her own song, and was promoting it as her own UNTIL LatinoAmerican K-Pop fans pointed it out that it was ripped off on the Youtube video.

    It’s funny, in interviews where she’s talking about this (the Dominican artist), she has basically the same attitude that you described. She only admitted that it was a cover when people pointed it out, and said that how was I supposed to think that some girl group from Korea was going to see this? Even people who aren’t Kpop fans are seeing this and commenting that she asked for it. I don’t think it’s just a Korea thing, it’s a “I’m a in tiny country, they’re miles and miles away, how will they ever know?” thing. THINK ABOUT IT, someone could be airing your videos in… IDK The Dominican Republic (hypothetically), and you guys might never know, UNLESS A FAN POINTED IT OUT. It’s a con and a pro of globalization and the internet.

    It also might be a culture thing. Like you guys growing up in Canada, growing up in the USA, I would NEVER even try to take an image that wasn’t mine and use it for profit, not just from a moral standpoint but a “OMG IF WE GET SUED” standpoint. Especially being in the arts for the longest time, when you’re very keenly aware of this.

  125. That really stinks that they used your information without permission.

  126. Katie Gilbert

    It sounds terrifying to be a photographer in S. Korea. (What I would like to do one day) You’d have to protect every image you took like crazy. >.<

    That sucks about the show… I mean that is NOT ok… at all… yet it still happens… dumbfounds me

  127. Amyaco

    Could you do a tl;dr on digital piracy in Korea? I know that it’s a big deal, but I don’t know very much about the specifics. ^^

  128. NoobNetizen

    @simonandmartina:disqus what about you guys? Do you guys have to ask permission whenever you use korean celebrities/idols’ pictures? Or it doesnt really matter?

    • celebrity pictures are public domain, once they are posted somewhere online they are free use unless they are sold by the person who took the picture/has a copyright claim to the picture. If you’re not careful with your facebook pic privacy settings, those too turn into public domain and can be used by anyone.

  129. Jase Aaron
    Jase Aaron

    I remember when WonderBoyz debuted, their company ripped off the Warner Brothers (WB) logo. They ended up changing it so I guess things didn’t go down well lol.

  130. I have a question, if I wanted to do dance covers of kpop songs, is that breaking the copyright law?
    I wouldn’t claim it to be mine or anything (duh) so I was just wondering. Sorry for the stupid question haha

  131. Bryan Whitehead

    Samsung is one of the biggest thieves in the world when it comes to stealing. All that Samsung branded medical equipment (for example) is a replica of stuff from GE and other device companies. They outright just copy everything. They are basically doing the same Japan did in the 60-70′s. The theft is so expensive to fight and takes so long it often isn’t worth it. That said, Apple is one of the few companies that fights out of principle.

    Side note: the USA/Canada was the same back in the 1800′s: stealing intellectual property from UK/Europe. Korea just needs to mature as a country.

  132. Elina Ziman

    Those really are large scale rip-offs. I’m sorry to hear that you guys have had trouble with copyright infringement, that sucks. If people could see things from other’s point of view, and add a tad bit of respect to that, nothing like this would be happening. Makes me grumpy.

  133. JiEun Jung

    why do i feel like i know what tv program your talking about…hey simon and martina~! i saw you on an mnet show, they showed a clip of one of your music mondays a while back. although im not sure if thats who you were talking about.

  134. rattattat

    I’m totally on your side about the copyright infringement issue, but I want to point out that a lot of this stuff IS rampant in the U.S. too, but only on the smaller scales. Walk any major city’s streets and you’ll see individual street vendors with knock-offs of everything (and not just in the shady part of town that feels like the black market). Now, a bar, an established place of business, that uses a celebrity’s name and likeness? Heck no, that won’t last. But the selling of the Kpop socks or brand names tweeked a bit or logos slightly morphed… yeah. That kind of thing is everywhere here too. It definitely matters how small vs. grand scale. TV stations or restaurants abusing copyrights? Crackdown for sure. Individual street vendors or small local companies/flea markets/etc. abusing copyrights? They fly under the radar and exist everywhere.

  135. wanderingdreamer

    Man I hope you guys are able to do something about that tv channel, I know it’s unlikely but it would be awesome if you guys could get the laws to say “nope, you can’t be an asshat, PAY UP”

  136. Lexy Kang

    The very first time I visited Korea, I pointed out a shop to my Korean husband (then boyfriend) with the name of a famous actor. I asked him, “Is that even okay to do here??” And he just shrugged like it was no big deal. Same thing for when we would walk down the street and see the logo for Crocs but renamed. But the thing that drives me craziest is hearing music from The Lord of the Rings soundtrack or Harry Potter, etc. being used on very popular variety shows, and knowing without a doubt that they’re not paying for use of the intellectual property.

  137. Chikobowoski

    Korean varieties will use other musicians music without their permission, but when it’s vice versa Papa YG gets pissed.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJoYKDYmT0I

  138. zhie0690

    I feel so bad now. I actually watched that episode because of you guys since I saw a thumbnail of you on the site I just thought that you weirdly updated something on Tuesday. I see where your going at I guys that really sucks. Its why there are always those plastic surgery clinics that gets into trouble for false advertisement and no respect for peoples intellectual property. I think laws in Korea are screwed over to the benefit of those with money or in power.

  139. excuse my ignorance, but does any of you long time nasties know which company they are referring to? i know they can’t name it personally but maybe you guys can do it for them, i really wanna knowww

  140. I miss my kpop socks… my Onew socks are my best friend(s)…

  141. Shelley Beh
    Shelley Beh

    wow. I did not know you had the whole “issue/situation” with the “company that shall remain unnamed”. it didn’t even happen to me and I feel raged for you. I can’t believe they would do that. it’s just so not cool not even asking for permission or letting you know that they used your footage. total dicky move!

  142. MandiiLynn

    It was very weird for me coming into the Kpop fandom after being in the Anime Fandom because I used to make AMV’s and all those years ago you would make one and if your luck was bad it would be taken down within a day. And with Kpop you can use clips from the MVs in whatever you want! But I guess that is just a difference between Japanese copyright laws and Korean ones

  143. Karen Kong

    What do you think of One Direction’s use of BAP’s picture in their music video?

    • Bella Delacour

      They used pictures of several iconic boybands such as the Backstreet boys, Village people, House of m, etc, that’s not ripping off anything neither it’s offensive, it’s not secret kpop bands are the ultimate commercialised move on music and they just don’t want to be that. Besides, it’s highly likely they paid for it. I’m tired of seeing kpopers complaining about it. It’s getting obnoxious.

      • jade jimenez

        So isn’t it meant to be an insult when they say they don’t want to be them? I’m a bit confused. One Direction is known by way more people than BAP. It’s true BAP is very widely promoted. But it’s catered to the Kcommunity/Kpop community who already know of them. BAP isn’t in the mall, at Party Stores, or cutouts in North America or most of the Western world like 1D. I think their “statement” is redundant.

        • Bella Delacour

          I’m sorry but I fail to see how is offensive not wanting to be like other band. Offensive would be to say they suck or don’t have any talent, which they hadn’t said or implied at all. Else they’d be implying the same about the backstreet boys or village people, and they aren’t. I feel this is more a touchy-fan’s resentment rather than a real offence.

        • USAELFVIPBJSONE

          “North America or most of the Western world like 1D.” False statement. A lot of North America (Where I live) view 1D the way they do Justin Beiber but probably in a better light. Before people jump down my throat, I mean they’re like the Jonas brothers of this new generation. They’re hot to most teens or tweens and they can actually hold a note, so they sell a lot of records. I.E. Eye candy with a bonus of good voices.

          The grown up version of North America is either has no opinion, are casual fans meaning they know some of their songs but couldn’t tell you who the members are to save their lives.

          Then there’s the last group which I personally sorry to say fall under. I don’t hate the band but people who find ways to talk about them in every topic piss me off. Not saying you did that here, cause the poster thing did have something to do with the topic. What I’m trying to say is people should not put their own opinions on a group’s popularity on a whole global hemisphere. I know people who are ape shit crazy over 1D, and I know a ton more who are predicting they will be viewed negatively like Justin B cause the fans are too strong and crazy about talking about them. I only know two of their names and I am an adult, not an old adult mind you. None of my friends can name off every single member. Please stop saying North America. It’s not true.

        • Bella Delacour

          Agree with you. And this is not only in North America, it’s in general. I feel like some fans just look for an excuse to complain about things where they had nothing to do with it.

      • naninoona

        except 1D is waaaaaayyyyyyy more commercialized than BAP. lmao. also, you say it’s not offensive yet go back and say kpop bands are commercialized and 1D doesn’t want to be that. so…. BAP is in their video to be made fun of then? so how is that not offensive again??

        • Bella Delacour

          They’re not making fun, in any case they’re refusing to look like a kpop band because that’s not what they are, neither they want to look like the backstreet boys, house of m or village people, that was pretty clear. There’s nothing offensive about that.

        • naninoona

          you’re just going in circles now. which one is it? you said, “it’s not secret kpop bands are the /ultimate commercialised move on music/ and they just don’t want to be that” and that is highly offensive. and then go around and say “they’re refusing to look like a kpop band because that’s not what they are” which is not offensive because yeah, they aren’t a kpop band.

          honestly, i’m not offended by 1D’s video at all. i got what they were trying to say in the video. i was more offended on what YOU said on behalf of them. your explanation on what they were trying to state was seriously flawed in delivery. it was insulting the way you worded it. like, “ohhhh BAP is the ultimate commercialized move on music and 1D is not that.” so explain to me what exactly ‘THAT’ in your sentence is referring to? being commercial or being a stereotypical pop dancing boyband? because, FACT; they ARE way more commercial than BAP. if the point was that they didn’t want to be another dancing pop boyband, then heck yeah, okay good on them, but your poor choice of wording just did not go for me, man. not one bit.

        • Bella Delacour

          In any case, I apologise on “the choice of wording” because English isn’t my first language and apparently it came across more aggressive than it was actually intended.

          However, I still don’t see how pointing out the truth is offensive. Korean industries hire idols when they’re about 13 years old, they put them together regardless if they get along together or not, they band and disband groups at their will and so on. They are literally a product. They are indeed commercial, and that’s okay, I like it, I consume it. But One Direction aren’t that type of boyband, such as they aren’t like the others bands they used in the video.
          True, Management control 1D a lot, and I’m telling this because I’ve noticed how restricted they’ve been the last half and a year in everything they do, and yes, that’s being commercial which I guess it’s inevitable and I’m fine with that, but putting them to dance wearing certain clothes or hair like a K-pop band isn’t what they are. “That” referred to a kpop band in general. It wasn’t meant to sound like something negative at all, if that’s what you’re implying.

          Right now I honestly feel you’re looking for excuses in my words to feel offended because you think you should be offended rather than because there are actual reasons for it.

        • naninoona

          i already explained myself. i DID say that it was the choice of wording that got me offended. your original choice of sentencing implied that BAP was the commercial one while 1D isn’t. i was just pointing out that 1D is way more commercialized than BAP. now, what you’re talking about when you say they dance, and wear costumes and have planned out hairstyles, etc is being manufactured. being manufactured and commercialized are not one and the same although they do go hand in hand. what i understood from your first statement was that since 1D is not as manufactured as BAP, it somehow implies that BAP are lesser than them. or less talented. pointing out that kpop boybands are manufactured is not offensive. but implying that they are somehow lesser because of it however, IS. that’s what i got when i read your comment.

          i’m not LOOKING for reasons to be offended. i read your comment and it offended me the first time i read it. i usually don’t bother to comment if i don’t care about it enough. it’s not like i read your comment 100 times with magnifying glasses to try and make myself offended by it. that’s just stupid. i commented because i felt strongly about it enough to respond. english isn’t my first language either and if it wasn’t your intention to offend people then that’s fine and i have no problem w/ that and i apologize for not trying hard enough to understand what you were trying to say. it’s a miscommunication on both our parts then. but don’t insult me by saying that i’m trying to make an issue out of nothing. peace.

      • lettergra

        The only thing wrong about it was them smashing it, which gives me a kinda iffy feeling ya know? I dont really think people were mad just at the photoshop :> I’m not a baby but the whole smashing part was uncomfortable, what if it was your face or your favorite band you know?

        • Bella Delacour

          I love BAP and I didn’t feel it offensive at all, because they weren’t talking about bap, they were talking about 1D trying to look like other band, not only bap or kpop bands.

        • lettergra

          idk, it feels disrespectful to do that to a picture of someone else no matter who it is :/ but whatever

        • Bella Delacour

          What about Pink’s stupid girls? What about Blink 182′s all the small things? What about Eminem? And the list goes on.There have been way worse parodies, ones that were actually insulting and disrespectful but since they weren’t from a pop band no one ever complained, I still feel it’s offensive for touchy-fans rather than because it’s actually offensive.

      • SWalkerTTU

        The one right before BAP was Take That from their first video, “Do What You Like”, on YouTube in both edited and unedited versions.

      • Josh Chinnery

        My issue with that video is that 1D’s reactions to the groups that they were shown made it seem like they thought they were superior

        • Bella Delacour

          Not really, I’ve said it in the other replies and I repeat it in this one. They weren’t talking about BAP being BAP, they were talking about producers trying to make 1D look like BAP or others boybands, that’s why their faces were on it and not the original members.

      • B.A.P. is a group of talented guys who overcame amazing odds (their albinism) to form a highly successful boy band. They’re heroes, and 1D should be ashamed.

        Seriously though, of course Kpop is commercialized. I’m a fan, and I’m both aware and content with that. But for the most part Kpop doesn’t really tout itself as something more significant. 1D (or more accurately, their management and record company) has though, and what’s worse is they took a crap on others while doing it.

        I can’t even stay mad, though.

        • Bella Delacour

          I’m not discussing if they’re good or bad because I’m a fan of both, but stating 1D is wrong or should be ashamed is an over reaction. Again, just because their reaction was they didn’t want to copy or look other boy bands, neither kpop bands or other type of boy bands isn’t an insult, and if anyone finds it offensive probably that person should back off the computer and re think about their lives.

    • Which music video? I don’t follow One Direction. ^^

  144. HaruHaruXD

    An artist I like on tumblr had her art stolen and used without her permission by DISNEY. They took the artwork and concept and printed it onto t shirts and tote bags as Alice in Wonderland. it was a very popular piece of work that a few people had tattooed onto their bodies. She does alot of 2NE1 fanart too, her name is Katie Woodger amd she’s on Tumblr and DeviantArt.

  145. xxxtine

    Regarding the use of song clips on variety shows; Broadcasters, I’m pretty sure globally, are supposed to have a license with the Music/ Composition Royalities of that territory, which in turn collects the royalities from the program for the music used. It’s sort of a blanket one-off licence dependant on length/ use etc. The way it usually works is that after the program has been edited with music and sound effects, a playlist detailing song/ artist/ length of use gets sent to the Music Publishers association (in Canada it’s SOCAN, in the US it’s RIAA, Korea would have their own agency.). The association then sends an invoice for the use of music to the broadcasters to pay. The association collects and redistributes the royalities to the artists/ composers/ producers/ other international licencing agencies. The broadcasters essentially can use any copyrighted music thanks to this licence.

    Other than that, in Asia, the very thought of respecting intellectual property is fairly foreign as even within there is stealing of ideas everywhere. There is a thought where the inability to take someone’s idea and make it thier own suppresses innovation and creativity. Asking for permission to do this, seems also to be a foreign concept – some literally just.don’t.know. Course ignorance doesn’t absolve you from the crime either – but just seeing just how different Asia was some 30 years ago compared to the rest of the world – this is more like the growing pains of a very quickly developing country.
    I think a good case in favour would be Bahnus Vacuum vs Hyori who literally resold already copyrighted songs for one of her albums. Hyori, perhaps at the time, not having the knowledge or need of verifying its ownership, used a App downloaded on her iPhone to check whether or not the song existed already. (3 of the songs were originally produced by Canadian artists and were not really well known.) Netizens, within days, determined all the songs (I think 5 of 7 songs on the album) to be stolen and contacted the artists notifying them … and I believe the guy who misrepresented Bahnus Vacuum is serving jail time.

  146. sasha092398

    speaking of the rip offs, your tldr reminded me of how in Reply 1997, YoonJae kept getting fake company items for his birthdays.

  147. Marzia Matalone
    Marzia Matalone

    I guess Copyright issues are quite hard to handle, expecially if there’s such a difference in language and culture…but, well, even the fact that we’re talking about this topic on your blog is the result of the free spreading of information throught the world thanks to internet, social networks, youtube channels and each and every form of open source knowledge…just like everything else, there are good and bad points about it and about the way societies are evolving right now!

  148. Lee Unđerground Manson
    Lee Unđerground Manson

    did you contact the tv show who aired your videos like ” why did you took our videos? why didnt you tell us? why havent you atleast mention EYK on your tv show?
    im pretty curiouse what they think about it, like ” oh no this is fine, everybody does it. we didnt steal your videos. this is Korea”

  149. I saw the video yesterday. After watching this tl:dr, I went to look for it again, but it seems they have removed it from youtube. I can’t believe they just stole your stuff like that! :(

  150. Beccatokki

    There are also a ton of clothing companies that take DeviantArt artists’ artwork and print them on shirts and sell them online and in the markets. These shirts end up in HK and even worn by K-pop idols and that’s the only way that the artists find out.

    • Elina Ziman

      What?! That’s awful! I didn’t know… At least now I won’t ever get a DeviantArt account. Thanks a bunch for telling!

      • Beccatokki

        Yes, a few very popular artists have had it done to them. They’ve also had their art on book covers in South America without their prior knowledge or consent. It’s pretty horrible. DeviantArt is so wonderful and a great way to make a name for yourself, but putting your art anywhere on the internet is always a risk.

        • Elina Ziman

          I started reading about it after I read your comment. Looks like it’s always worth it to consider the risks when going public with your art on the net, if you don’t have registered copyright and still want to keep it as your own.

    • Even major publishing companies do this! Like companies that can pay for proper cover art for books will just steal images. If you are familiar with a lot of art on deviant art, have a look in the romance section of a book store and you’ll see a lot of familiar things.
      I had a stock image of me (taken by my sister) be used in a mock up cover- which I gave permission for because it was just supposed to be the draft – I assumed the cover would then use properly paid for stock images or be painted. They didn’t get permission for the image to actually be on the final book cover and I only found out by seeing the book in a book store! I complained and got paid a tiny amount for it… but this was a huge well known company!

  151. Starsania
    Starsania

    It does seem that copyright just isn’t a thought that goes through many people’s heads if they were brought up in Asia since it seems Asia doesn’t really teach copyright. In one if my video classes we had to come up with a story, script, act it out, film it and present it to the class. I remember going online and searching my butt off trying to find music clips and sound effects that could be used royalty free for school projects and found some (btw I suggest this place for any of you who have school projects that need sound or music. All he wants is a little credit note at the end. =D http://incompetech.com/ )

    But anyway since our foreign exchange student was an actor for our group we went about the project as we always would. There was a group made up entirely of foreign exchange students and they had ripped some popular music to use in their video and didn’t have the slightest idea that they were doing anything wrong. The professor began explaining what copyright was and it was clearly news to them.

    As countries become more and more globally connected I do believe it is an issue that should be more widely known about and taught.

    As an artist I would be very upset if someone ripped my things off and started using it to make money for themselves or to advertise their product without my permission because they would be taking away from what I do (or am trying to do) for a living.

    There is royalty free stuff you can find out there if only more people knew that it existed.

    • Josh Chinnery

      Japan does *not* play it comes to copyright, which can or can not suck (depending on where you are in the world). Fansubs and the like have pretty much become useless because simulcasts have become so popular, but only in the major regions of the world. I kind of wish Japanese record labels did the same with their music and videos, because trying to support J-Pop with it’s crazy expensive prices is pretty much impossible these days without being a pirate.

  152. Cyber_3
    Cyber_3

    Seriously, Asia and copyright = sucktastic baby. You can even get an International patent or even a specifically Korean patent on your tech and it’s not worth the paper it’s printed on T^T. I think that SpaceX is very clever to not patent, VERY. At my old job, a Chinese conglomerate partner (because you have to partner to work in China) actually asked our VP to sign a blank paper and when she asked to see the content before signing it, it turned out to be a free license to steal all our tech. She didn’t sign it. They stole it anyways. As has every single other company we had worked with in Asia, and there have been many. We’re talking extremely complex and multi-million dollar tech here too. And there is nothing my international company could do. Nothing. You can’t even avoid them, you end up working WITH them with CRAPPY versions of your own tech that don’t even work properly while they get all the money or you are blacklisted from working anywhere in the Pacific rim. My old company did work in Korea, but only once and I can guess that the returns were not worth the loss in tech.

    As for film footage/logos/photos/etc., I don’t think it’s a matter of thinking they are too small to pursue, it’s a matter that the courts will just laugh the wronged party out of the room. Or perhaps it’s the price that’s paid for cheap manufacturing in Korea. It’s totally in Korean’s (insert any other Asian country’s name that isn’t Japan here) best interest to keep making other people’s products because they are sure-fire sellers both at home and abroad. I would venture to say that it’s a large part of GDP. If they stopped it or discouraged it, it would be a huge hit to the economy. Also, if the world weren’t so intent on manufacturing for cheap in the Pacific Rim, their IP stuff wouldn’t be stolen/given away. It’s small peanuts to sell at a discount in Asia when you can charge ridiculous prices abroad where people actually know your name. 8 years ago I bought a pair of Giorgio Armani polarized sunglasses (with case) in the Shanghai market for ~$10. I got back to Canada and compared with the real thing for lulz- absolutely no difference, zero. The clerk couldn’t even tell them apart either. Sometimes these are not rip-offs, they’re real product leaving by the back door (or sometimes the front door). Shoulda bought 20 pairs, those were awesome glasses.

    What am I saying here? I guess: I feel for you – it sucks. I’m not sure that there is much more you can do to protect yourself than you are already doing (you’re doing well actually) but I don’t think that it will go away either. At least your audience is international and getting blacklisted within Korea won’t hurt too much (if it happens). If you want to avoid it “more”, you would have to go to either a European country, Australia/NZ, or a North American country but then you wouldn’t see it happening on the streets of Korea, ’cause it would still happen. Sigh. I guess that you could save a high powered exec from certain doom and then he/she would protect you from this sh*t? I’m sorry that I don’t have better answers.

    Cyber_3 – is not a lawyer, she just plays one on tv ;)

    • Yeah, I know it’s not going to go away, and we can’t stop it. We won’t mind calling it out, though, when we see it.

      I’m freaking floored about the blank paper story, though. Holy freaking fartballs. That’s insane.

      • Cyber_3
        Cyber_3

        Keep calling it out, it helps! ^_^v

        To follow up a bit, a strategy that I saw starting to be used by tech copmanies when I left the biz a coupla years ago was to create alternate tech that only performed the minimal function of the real tech, and badly at that (because why bother perfecting it), and then call it by the same name. I guess that you could call it the “Asia-skew” of the tech (like how the Walmart-skew is always less volume, and crappier). Most Asian countries insist on having the service portion of tech contracts, let them deal with the fallout, they will be too proud to admit that there are big problems. Same goes if they steal the tech. I expect that about now there is a large number of tech in Asia that doesn’t run well and any fools abroad that bought the copies instead of the original are experiencing some pain as well. It’s a sad thing for innovation and well, safety. It’s part of why I took a break from all that – too many shenanigans. Where can this lead the (tech) world? A little scary maybe. Capitalism is not helping either.

        Cyber_3 – It’s one thing to make cheap copies of cell phone designs, what about infrastructure designs? Think about it.

    • Fafou Them

      You’re really passionate, and after reading this, I kind of want to rage protest somewhere. That is REALLY messed up. On too big a scale. When I read blank paper, I was like “What?”…seriously? Glad that your VP didn’t sign it but then, it was like “What difference did that make?”. It’s plain frustrating. Since I live in the States, it kind of makes me say: No wonder there’s been such a push for consumers to buy state goods. If they see stolen foreign products are not doing so hot, then it might discourage some of this behavior. But then again, when was the last time you could go into a store and not find something that was made in China?

      • Cyber_3
        Cyber_3

        I _am_ passionate but it’s about safety, not necessarily this crappy copyright stuff. (It’s crappy alright, don’t get me wrong, but the bigger picture is scarier). Please don’t go into a rage protest, go into a peaceful protest and better yet, put your money where your mouth is. It’s true that it’s impossible to buy day to day stuff not is not made in China but try and at least to buy your food locally. I haven’t shopped at Walmart in years and I’m doing just fine.

  153. Allie Jane

    On the copyright stuff, one of my favorite artist, Lois Van Baarle, actually had her art stolen and put on sweaters and shirts in Korea and I saw Chunji of Teen Top wearing the stolen art in their Crazy MV! I was like OMG Nooooooooo~~~ But it’s really hard for her to get it taken down because of the language barrier and then getting lawyers involved costs a lot especially because you’d need a translator, but I know a far bit of online artist get their art ripped off and plastered over things that people are making money off of without credit or the artist even knowing and it’s so sad. ; ^;

  154. Copyright just doesn’t seem to be an idea there. I know people when I was studying there (Konkuk University if you’re wondering) that would literally copy and paste from Wikipedia and call it their essay and get A’s. Usually those students (no, exclusively as far as I knew) were Chinese and Korean. I knew people (once again, from East Asia) who would find presentations online, memorize them, them give them as their own never once giving credit to who made the PowerPoint. And this is normal.

    I think this is why Korean scholasticism seem so different than that of the West. Over here we put more of a focus on application and understanding, making our students write essays and having them answer more open-ended questions on concepts rather than specifics. While in Korea (and I’m assuming China too since those students acted this way) they focus more on facts: who did this, when did this happen, what equation does this, etc. I’ve heard stories of people who did not even speak English and would take courses taught in English and then memorize the text book, look for similar words, and regurgitate the knowledge from that area of the book.

    • irritablevowel
      irritablevowel

      I read an article awhile back (I think in the New York Times) about the increase of students from Asia at American universities. The article talked about a lot of things, the culture shock, language barrier, homesickness, etc. But one of the things they mentioned was that some universities have made sure to include a class on plagiarism during orientation because they kept having students from Asia shocked to find themselves on academic probation for plagiarism after turning in a paper copied and pasted from wikipedia. They realized that a lot of the students simply didn’t realize that you can’t do that.
      Businesses are a whole other matter though. They know full well they’re not supposed to do that, but don’t give a shit.

  155. Kitsana Varaworarit

    I just wondering that the K… W…. had contact you, and then you guys denied them. After that, TV Show just download your video on Youtube !!! The Copyright Law is exist, but it doesn’t work properly in tons of country. !!!

  156. hhuuummm i was actually wondering about this for quite some time…

    in some k drama you can hear some foreign music playing on the background then one time i wonder if the artist were at least got informed on using their music and *just randomly who knows if they tweet back or not* i twitted that certain group to ask and surprisingly they reply and said they are not informed boo~. then i heard about david choi’s incident *another youtube artist were his songs were used on k drama without informing him at all then i think (*im not sure) they take some legal actions but he did not win at all and the court said its legal *booo~

  157. raintenshi

    I think the big difference in the Ripping off issues is between Korea and China, China is SUPER well known for it but Korea isn’t as well known internationally so they’re able to escape being noticed

    • Also, China is a lot better at getting around loopholes. I mean, some fakes are outright fakes, without any attempt to go around legal loopholes. If you look at a lot of the products that use designer logos, you’ll find that the logos have been altered in some way. It’s like when people on youtube making English Sub videos for songs have to change the pitch of the song or something (although I think that’s more to escape the semi-automated system YT uses). China does that a lot.

      And also, although declining, China has been considered a rising super power in the past few years so I guess it makes the companies feel bold…and speaking as a Chinese person (despite being born and raised in Canada), I know that a part of Chinese culture is…I guess you can call it a bull-headed attitude…doing things even though you know you shouldn’t, forcefully. It’s what my dad knew growing up, and what I experienced the couple of times I’ve visited China.

      And I guess some people might see it as–well, those are big companies who make lots of money. They won’t care about a handful of indie shops, etc stealing logos and designs (or can’t be bothered with them) because it won’t make a huge dent in their profits. And I guess that’s true. Anyone who would rather buy a fake designer product (say, purse) probably wasn’t planning on buying the original, anyway–so it’s not profit lost.

      Morally speaking, one should always give credit where credit is due. Too bad people aren’t always moral…

    • that’s because korea doesn’t do it on the scale china does, there’s a reason they’re known for it

  158. Nina Johansson

    OK, here is my view on the topic of “copyright” in Korea…

    A short while ago I discussed copyright issues with one of the companies in my country, in retrospect to the development that is happening in China. The thing is, as it goes: Chinese people copy A LOT. They have seriously gone to international events with “stolen” models, but the jurisdiction has always been well done, because legally they have managed to stay away from most sueings…

    When I start to think of copyright generally in Asia, you have to remember Asia as a whole was during one point behind in the industrial development, and I am not talking about the 19-th century enlightment they had when they realised “oh, Europeans and Americans are WAY ahead of us”.

    I mean literally, how many things haven’t been labelled as made in Japan, made in Korea or made in China as of these last 30 years.? Still, the development within theses countries (apart from China), started to escalate in the 80s, by… copying. (Chinese development escalated a decade later for various reasons).

    This I guess can explain why “copyright” has until now not been the greatest topic, because neither of these countries created very original aspects until later in history. Now, when the K.pop industry has become one of these beacons for creative flow, I guess it is only natural for them to want to keep this as their own, and not share in the same way. After all, it is an industry.

    Same time, I supose that essence of copying and earning money by using something that works, like advertisement through famous people or logos, is still there. My guess is, the more we get closer to Asia in general (which is happening faster than ever thanks to e.g. the Internet), the more they have to realise they cannot do this in the same way.

    • Fafou Them

      Ooo. Love your post. Very insightful. Didn’t think about it that way. China wasn’t far from my thoughts either because the way I saw the copyright issue, was that perhaps–to an extent–it was under the same mentality as China (except you know, China being exceptionally bad at it).

    • Cyber_3
      Cyber_3

      Except Japan woke up in the 1980s and realized that just copying was not getting them anywhere and that they would become very dependent on this path. They then started actually licensing patents and improving designs and bringing in the knowledge on a legitimate basis. That’s when “made in Japan” went from crap to actually worth something, then to actually being sought after. Somehow, I don’t get the impression that China or Korea have woken up yet….. Was it something to do with Samurai culture of honour? Who knows.

      • irritablevowel
        irritablevowel

        Actually I was just thinking about this and said to myself that copyright and intellectual property laws in Korea and China will become tougher in the exact same way that they became tougher elsewhere. Some company will eventually create something super innovative, and then another company will steal it, and they’ll suddenly see the value in strictly enforced copyright law and start lobbying for it.

        • Cyber_3
          Cyber_3

          I hope that you are right.

          I cannot speak for Korea because I have never been there but of the large office full of electrical engineering graduates that I met in China, none of them, N-O-N-E! even knew basic high school electrical theory. When money or position is required to get a degree and that is all you require, you won’t see much innovation. It’s all smoke and mirrors, the only innovators from China I have seen have been the ones that were educated abroad.

      • Thomas Tarnow

        Well Hyundai is doing better than Honda and Toyota in many ways and Samsung has surpassed Sony and many other Japanese companies. Copying is how we all learn (thing about how you learn to write, dance, cook or play a musical instrument). China has already topped US and Japan as the top patent file so I will expect many innovative and sought after products coming out of China in the future.

        • Cyber_3
          Cyber_3

          I can’t argue with the “copying is how we learn” but innovation is how we thrive. If all the money goes to the copiers, soon there will be nothing left TO copy because all of the creators will have gone bankrupt. This is a limited time model. Also, you can only throw a disposable labour force at your foundation for so long before the whole thing starts to crumble. Will China pull a rabbit out of its hat? I’m skeptical.

          Also, China is top in patent filing because a)if you want to do business in China you need to work with a 51% government-owned company and that company will file the patents of your tech for you in China (which is recent – before foreign companies didn’t bother), b) China is trying to cover its butt as all the sh*t that they have been copying for years is finally starting to hurt their business and they have to make themselves look more legit, and c) if someone in China steals your patent (from another country) and patents it in China, you can’t legitimately produce your own tech in China without licensing it first from this patent holder – easy $$$. I would highly doubt that more than 1% of those patents are for anything “new”. It’s a clever system, really.

      • Has to do with American intervention honestly. After WWII, Japan was in shambles and they accepted USA’s help to get back on its feet. Then they were smart and started coping with things themselves and got the upper hand later on. The same happened with China and South Korea but they took longer because they had always being on the SU’s side ideology-wise. It wasn’t until their ideologies fell short that they started opening up their meagre economies. It’s always foreign investment that brings money to the countries. If they know how to use it, they develop.

        I’m in way trying to say this in a biased, subjective way, but for anyone with a little bit of world history knowledge, they should know USA was at the top after WWII. Most of the war had happened in Asia and Europe, and the USA was practically intact, with a monster growing economy. It offered help to the destroyed countries and asked only for the interests, reinforcing their place at the top with marketing strategy in music and movies and ideology play against the SU in the Cold War.

        • Cyber_3
          Cyber_3

          Hah. Yeah, there is that. If the US hadn’t done that though after WWII, there wouldn’t have been anyone for them to trade and their economy would have tanked as well. But, leaving Japan to the side, I would argue that this democratic-style “capitalistic altruism” had somewhat different motives than foreign investment these days. It’s impossible to call it “corporate investment” when countries like China own 51%+ of every company in the country, it’s more like a quiet invasion. But why take on the responsibility of taking care of the extra people and the land, just loot and leave it to burn like a pirate. Look at the way that China “invested” in Africa – it’s a completely different result and I think it’s naive to blame it on countries “not knowing what to do with the investment”. Canada is currently being heavily invested in by China and things are not pretty – I don’t know how long the veneer of smoke and mirrors can last. Europe is starting to slam doors to foreign investment and I can totally see why. When a country treats another country the way Microsoft used to treat its competitors…….

          Cyber_3 – How did this turn so political? History is not my forte – help me internets!

  159. sunflowerfields

    great video and blog…and im not surprised by how you feel about your videos being used. i checked my subscriptions on youtube and there was a video with you guys faces as the screen shot but when i clicked it was a k** world video about the hallyu wave. it wasn’t offence or anything but as you guys mentioned it’s just an ego boost, and the fact that the channel is government run just makes it a lil shady in my opinion. its a little like a form of propaganda

    i really didn’t think about english songs being used in variety/dramas….you mentioned about the huge fees to use the songs but i was wondering if the shows are using the copyrights for the songs that apply in south korea or asia, so then they are not paying the dollar amount but the amount that applies to their country/region. for example if a song’s copyright is owned by warner music group , instead of contacting the american side of it wouldn’t they just seek permission from the korean company? i only ask this because i feel that these big variety shows made by the big 3 korean networks wouldn’t make such a ricky move by not seeking permission first to use a song :S

  160. Magicimpact

    I just remembered when I ever I used to go to 99 cents stores they always sold rip off Digimon and Pokemon stickers although some of them were real characters

  161. PunkyPrincess92
    PunkyPrincess92

    i know which company you guys are talking about!! i think you mentioned it on twitter?

    i’ve actually wondered about this before cos when you go on kpop merch sites there are always these “(relevant kpop group) style” products!! like for example if a kpop idol wore a Jeremy Scott top, these sites would have a rip off version of it!! even clothing items from dramas!!
    also i always thought how can they keep making and selling things with a kpop groups logos and stuff on them!! (i admit i brought some stuff though…. ahahaha!!)

    that defamation law is crazy!! my friend told me of a teacher that got fired from the college we used to go to and how he was swearing and laughing at the college for getting bad marks after he (and many others were fired) and posted it up on his facebook and many students saw!! guess if it was in Korean he couldn’t do that!!

  162. bigbangfosho
    bigbangfosho

    The whole logo stealing happens a lot in other countries, specifically in China. I live in the States, but I do go to China every few years. And I always find it hilarious at how badly disguised some of the logos and slogans are. There are a lot of Nike rip offs and such. Last time I went, there were a lot of Snoopy and Winnie the Pooh merchandise for glue sticks or pencil cases and whatever, and I’m pretty sure the companies that created these characters didn’t give them permission. What you said about large companies not seeking these small businesses is really true.

    Because I’m not a creator, I can’t relate to having my material distributed without my consent, but I do know how angry it makes a lot of creators.

  163. kitten_lilac

    This is really, seriously, messed up. I don’t even know what else to say. We would never dare even *think* about doing things like that around where I live. Can we ship some of our lawyers over there? I mean, that should be a simple enough solution. We have too many, they don’t seem to have enough. We’ll share. Or maybe trade for some of the Kpop idols. How many lawyers per Kpop idol do you think would be fair?

    Back to being serious- I hope that Korea does start to put forth an effort to respect other countries and the rights of the people in those countries. It makes me slightly sick to my stomach to think that they could be so arrogant as to have us pay them for their music, then go behind our backs and steal the work of our artists. (I do realize not everyone there is doing that, but, still… That’s messed up.)

  164. I live in the US and I work with a few Koreans and when we design concepts, they are like, use google images! I tell them they will get sued and they don’t understand. It’s frustrating. I want to protect the works of others and then when I say they can’t, they still want to do it.

    • hironyx

      its not a korean thing, i have worked with people like these before too. i mean using it as a concept is fine, but the end product has to be with a licensed picture of something you created. funny thing is, the same people who uses other people’s IP would be fuming if someone else does the same to them. it seems like they grasp the concept of copyright better when they are the victim.

  165. Taylore Woodhouse
    Taylore Woodhouse

    This was super interesting, guys! I was just reading an article on how Korea and Japan handle music copyrights differently, and Korea is way more easygoing with that type of thing. The leniency goes both ways, because Korea is so much nicer about having random unofficla K-pop videos around YouTube while it’s nearly impossible to find J-pop videos, and they get removed SO quickly. I even notice that once I put a Japanese music video in a playlist on YouTube, it’ll get removed from YouTube the next day, while Korean videos will stay forever and ever and ever. It’s nice for foreign fans because accessiblity is easier, but it obviously isn’t fair to westerners who get all their stuff ripped off.

  166. Fafou Them

    Also, I have to say. I REALLY like this TL;DR. I think you should revisit this concept sometimes. You know, like if you think something big is happening in the news and we haven’t asked it, just bring it up. It certainly was a nice surprise.

    • Stephanie

      I agree! I’m sure there are a lot of TL;DR topics that Simon and Martina can think of that maybe their viewers wouldn’t because we wouldn’t know to ask since a lot of us are outside of Korea.

      It was also really cool to see a TL;DR about something that affects them so directly and something they can actually answer from personal experiences. A lot of the TL;DR videos end up being things that they don’t have much experience with in Korea (ie: dating, Korean social issues) so Simon and Martina can only give an outsiders view on the topic.

  167. exoticshawol93

    Black Face?! Oh lord….

    • Magicimpact

      I wonder if they know that’s why two Pokemon had to get re-designed oh wait Gen 1 and 2 except for Crystal and Gen 3 never can to Korea

    • raintenshi

      Yeah… On top of that, they do perform black face on Korean variety shows. Not in ye oldie past but in modern times.

      -_-

    • Cassandra Bosquet

      I thought the exact same thing and then had to google the hell out of it…ridiculous.

    • I'm So Curious Yeah

      i am honestly asking this…
      is black face really THAT bad?

      i don’t know about all the instances this has happened in korean shows but as long as they’re not making fun of the race isn’t it fine?
      when i read of black face i instantly think of White Chicks
      in the UK too there is a show called Little Britain and one of the white men dress up as a black woman…

      • raintenshi

        Yeah… it’s that bad

        http://populargusts.blogspot.ca/2012/03/three-decades-of-black-face-in-korea.html <- This is a good summary of how it is in Korea

      • Allie Jane

        omg yes, black face is terrible! Please read up on it!!!! Even just a little to know WHY it’s wrong http://black-face.com/

      • When u think of black face u should probably instantly think of the history of it first rather than current events. It really is THAT BAD. The history is why no matter how ppl do it it is unacceptable

        • Guest

          but kroea doens’t have the same history as america, do they? different countries find different thing offensive, blackface isn’t a thing in korea (and in many other countries)

        • Josh Chinnery

          If Korea wants to go global with K-Pop, then they have to realize that there are things that they can and cannot do

        • Janee'

          It doesn’t matter. Korea didn’t have black ppl there for a long time as well but now they do & should know why they may face backlash for doing it. Black people, no matter what country they are from, were mocked with blackface. It’d be different if u were talking about a country custom but this is an entire race of ppl we are talking about. Black ppl in the UK would be just as offended by blackface as those in…Alabama.

      • Little Britain is pretty awful for a lot of reasons. It’s just another of those shows which claim to be satirizing bigotry as an excuse to propagate bigotry.

      • JenniferSakraida

        There has been more recent debates about this. I think it is a practice no one really cares to bring back, I mean what is the point really? Black face brings up two major issues. 1) It was a way to keep black people out of the entertainment business. It implied that they were inferior performers. 2) It perpetuates lots of negative stereotypes, which is the biggest problem in modern society.

        Recently black face and it’s appropriateness in society has been talked about because there was a fashion article in a major magazine where models painted their skin black. (one being Vogue) Another case was when a playboy bunny dressed up as Lil Wayne for Halloween. Generally said, it is BAD because what practical reason is there to go into black face? None. If you aren’t making fun of black stereotypes, then why wouldn’t you just hire a black person to do the role?

      • exoticshawol93

        Black Face AND White Face are both bad, which is why I don’t like that movie. Even if other people don’t think Black Face is offensive, people of color have said that they don’t like it, and in my experience, when someone tells me that something I’m doing offends them or makes them uncomfortable, I don’t do it anymore, and I don’t try to tell them that they shouldn’t be offended. Not trying to call you out, just want to let you know my opinion :)

  168. Alyn Clay

    Has anyone contacted you guys about using stuff that wasn’t yours?

  169. That law about suing anybody for defamation is something that needs to be seriously revised in Korea. I read an article not long ago (french article, I’m from France) about some journalists who are very limited in their work due to this law. There were brave ones who wanted to use freedom of speech without naming during the presidential elections and they still got “taken care of” o_O

    Stay safe Simon and Martina, I wouldn’t want to hear about you guise being “TAKEN CARE OF” :S *Nervous laugh*

  170. I own that socks. It’s exactly the same socks without the BB ‘brand’. I think they get it from a wholesaler and re-pack it. I’ve seen korean pop idol pictures on party flyers here. it’s a scam to make people think there is a hot man/girl attending that party.

  171. Angie Liao

    is it just me or does this remind anyone of reply 1997 when seo in guk’s character walks around with a bunch of rip-offs? lol

  172. Magicimpact

    I find this weird especially with Nintendo now having copyright issues. if anyone uses a video featuring gameplay or music of a game made by Nintendo , Nintendo will take the money you earn. Game Freak although is ok with this is , so Pokemon is safe unless Nintendo goes overboard and starts saying that it’s copyright, you can fight back though.

  173. Dalia Romero

    just keep doing what you’re doing, guise! I love how you guys show different sides of Korea instead of showing it as a “perfect place”…you have tons of us fans supporting you! :) great work…fighting!

  174. Shannon

    I’ve always wondered about this type of thing because on K dramas they always cover up the logos on everything, but then you see all types of merch or coffee shops with ripped off logos.

    • thisisjustforfunval
      thisisjustforfunval

      I remember the covered up logos on all the cars on Rooftop Prince. The faux logo was a large S I believe that covered up the Ford logo’s. I wonder if that really is enough to make it okay to use the vehicles in a show XD

  175. Angie Liao

    SUE THEIR ASSES. (lol jk) but defamation laws? that’s just…no. also, the media is a contradiction of the defamation laws. the media has all this stuff about people doing bad things and they’re not getting sued for defamation. double standards ugh

  176. haruchi
    haruchi

    Great topic to talk about! I’ve been wondering about copyright issues in Korea for a long time. I had a hunch the variety shows don’t pay for the bg music… Also for example compared to Japan I’ve always thought Korea doesn’t care that much when it comes to using pictures. I mean I started listening to Japanese music before k-pop and I got used to the fact that you can’t even find pictures of JE boys on their website (you can now though) and how visual kei bands don’t like fans editing their pictures or making gifs (especially PS company). But k-pop groups are fine with it and even sometimes tweet the edited pictures without complaining. You also can’t take photos at concerts in Japan but you usually can in Korea. (that’s kinda sad though because concert pics are nice…) I just think it’s kinda weird but I would lie if I said Korea’s way wasn’t convenient for a poor fan like me.

  177. Nessera Noire

    as far as I know, apple sued a tiny Little Café in Germany that used a logo looking a bit similar to theirs….so you better watch out, small korean businesses, they sure will come at you soon, too!

  178. Morgan Humphrey

    HA! I seriously always wondered how in certain K-Dramas, they could have like 10 different foreign songs in each episode, and be able to pay all those fees… in just one show, they could have over 1 Million invested in the music, and I was like, where do they get the money to do this?!!

  179. Czarine Castillon

    well it’s kind of present here in Philippines too.. Like instead of Hello Kitty, they write, Hello Kiki.. And a nike logo and addidas logo, both, in one pair of shoes…. but nobody seems to care

  180. VanillaPink

    I actually remember seeing your video on a certain channel (I’m pretty sure that it was the international broadcasting station you were talking about) and kept thinking “omg simonandmartina what is–”

  181. Fafou Them

    You know, it’s funny you mentioned this. My mom mentioned to me–not too long ago–that designers are taking action against these unfair use of property (aka knockoffs). Like fining people that make them, sell them, as well as buy them. I’m not sure if the law is in effect yet or if it will be (Let me check…I’ll get back to you guys on that). I just find it super interesting that this is a topic you brought up because I have wondered before about copyright laws in other countries (especially since I touched on the topic in a class I once took).
    But then it makes me wonder, how are you guys able to use the songs for the KMMs? I’m curious. It there like a set time limit that allows the music to be used in your videos? Or does your blog count as promotion because you give credit to the groups and add the original links after the reviews? Are the change in laws going to affect the way you do business?

  182. KK Wang

    You should sue them.
    :D
    Or at least get some sort of compensation.

  183. simon said crazy guy with gloves and i instantly thought “two by two hands of blue”

    but yeah on the actual topic, when i was watching shinee’s wonderful day or w/e i noticed how many of my favorite musicians music they were using like david cook and maroon 5 and i thought it was cool that they used the music but they’re obviously not paying to use it and that personally makes me mad as a fan of those artists

  184. Aerden Melissa

    saw the video and now i have a mood drop, why are those socks so hard to find -sighs- I’m going to korea in September and i wanted to buy a lot of socks

  185. lady_kire
    lady_kire

    My boyfriend found an ad in China that was promoting “apple endorsed” ice cream popsicles. No joke.

  186. Sonia

    My face got used in a photography studio’s brochure when I asked them and signed a form explicitly telling them they did NOT have permission to use my image, so I sent them an angry e-mail, got them to pay for my session plus a hundred more dollars (not even kind of enough) and then collected every copy I could find they distributed to my high school and then burned them ceremoniously in the backyard.

    They made good kindling, though. At least I got some roasted marshmallows out of the whole situation

  187. HipsterTikal

    It really sucks because my friends and I really want to make english covers of a lot Kpop songs to make it more popular, but we can’t use the soundtracks ):

  188. Keeps Broadcasting Shit

  189. yiayiane

    What i don’t understand is that korean doesn’t really care about shop’s copyright but on the other hand when it come to kpop companies, there is a huge problem with song’s copyright.

    • It’s not plagiarism. They rather call it ‘sampling’.

      • Jane Patterson

        Yeaah, but sampling has to be done a particular way, too, and Kpop companies are starting to get in trouble for both — GLAM’s I Like That got pulled from their youtube channel for an improperly licensed sample, frex. And I’m just waiting for someone at Disney to get alerted to Tahiti’s new track, which is clearly based on and Aly & AJ song.

        SM has gotten pretty good at buying proper rights, though. Then again, they have more international fans that most.

  190. Sabrina Rudolph

    You saw it and every Nasty what question them about the Copyright XD
    Like you dont have the right to use it. And i was happy that you saw that XDD

    Greets from Germany.. Copyright is a big and expensive thing :D

  191. Alyssa B

    international station huh… I think I know which one already. Ahaha

  192. Alyn Clay

    The kpop companies sure get on people’s butts on youtube for using their stuff. For example a person who might use a kpop video so that they can include Hangul, English and Romanization lyrics so that international fans can learn a song…

  193. Courtney

    I thought about this in that song by Girls Generation, The Boys. Especially the middle part of the song. Its exactly the same as Rob Base and DJ E-Z Rock in that song It Takes Two. Like serious rip off! I almost can’t believe they performed it live in America without people noticing!

    • mikejonas

      There’s a difference between homage and ripping someone off. Don’t forget that the song was composed (and original English written by) Teddy Riley, who’s at least as recognizable a name in American music as Rob Base, and who would know that those lyrics are distinctive and identifiable with “It Takes Two” (which, by the way, sampled its hook from a 1972 song, “Think” by Lyn Collins).

      The partial quote of the lyric was a deliberate reference to the older song, and doing things like that (whether it’s directly sampling a recording or making reference to lyrics) is something that’s commonplace in pop music, whether American or Korean.

      • Nicole Krzys

        I would think Teddy would have gotten the rights to sample the song.

        • mikejonas

          It’s a lyrical reference, though, and while not just the lyrics but the cadence of the rap are imitated, it’s one that a) is insignificant enough to the song as a whole and b) is obvious enough to be recognized as homage. Pitbull’s “Hotel Room Service,” for example, lyrically references a number of songs, including “Rapper’s Delight” by the Sugar Hill Gang and Jay-Z’s “I Just Wanna Love You,” but credits none of the writers of those songs on the song’s credits.

    • Cyber_3
      Cyber_3

      I noticed it too. Apparently “sampling” is hard and extremely time consuming to prove in court. Especially if it’s the artist’s property and not the record company’s. The prices of licensing are usually cheap (to use in a song, as opposed to play it on a show – shows get tons of ad revenue, they can afford more). I don’t understand why people insist on ripping off. For example, I’ve heard in an interview that Weird Al got permission for every one of his parody songs from the artists, every single one.

      • mikejonas

        Important to note here is the fact that Weird Al is covered by another section of copyright law–the right to create a parody–and while he got permission from the artists he was parodying because he’s a nice guy, he wasn’t legally obligated to do so.

        • Cyber_3
          Cyber_3

          TOTALLY true dat. However, considering how popular his parodies were and how much money he had to have made off of them, I think that he was glad for the extra butt coverage in the end even if he only got it because he was being nice and not because he needed it. I think that the artists he parodied probably really appreciated being asked.

  194. Alyssa B

    OMG. This is also common here over at our place .__.

  195. Jina Lee

    The label on the socks say BigBang but it has Girl’s Generation on it… WAAAT

  196. Jina Lee

    Everytime I check ur FB page a video gets uploaded…. WEIRD

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