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A Guide to Fanfiction and Gag Concert

March 24, 2014


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I know you were so lonely these past few days, without our DICKS to keep you company. Aren’t you glad to see us again? And today we’re teaching you how to impress your Korean boss, how to make Soo Zee’s mum laugh, and how to select your ideal fan fiction. Ready? Read on!

Popular phrases (aka 유행어)

Soo Zee here, yo! These phrases and references will definitely come up on your conversations and it’s good to know where it comes from at least. Most of the 유행어 come from the popular comedy TV show ‘Gag Concert’ (link). You might not find this kind of humor funny, and it gets repetitive sometimes but the phrases are pretty catchy.

“느낌 아니깐~~”

(start at the 6 minute mark)

This one ranked number one on the list of 2013’s most popular phrases, and it’s funny if you use it here and there in inappropriate context. Please keep in mind, you have to imitate the same tone and way she says it! Just saying it normally wouldn’t make people laugh. You’ve got to put your acting skillz to use.


Another my favorite phrase these days is 앙돼여~~. This comes from a skit comparing two different middle aged couple who are dating. One is the calm, well-mannered, somewhat average couple, but the other one is loud, obnoxious, and cheesy. Here, watch it first.

When she swings her arms and says “앙대여~”, it’s so satisfying. I tried to imitate it, but it was a huge failure… Guys this is Ahjumma aegyo (if you don’t know what aegyo is, just watch our Gwiyomi Challenge video here [insert link]) and I love it! I love her thick needy accent, her outfit, the dance, and the song!!!!


We all know what fan fiction is, right? If you aren’t sure, you should google fanfic now, otherwise the following paragraphs are going to sound like an alien language. In fact, even if you are familiar with fan fiction in a vague, general sense, you still might be confused, because the fan fiction community has a whole host of very specific terms for very specific things.

We talked about “ship” this week, which is short for “relationship.” Fanfics usually center around a central relationship in a set of previously established characters. These fanfics “ship” those (usually two) characters. Likewise, fans of a pairing are “shippers” of so-and-so. You can ship two people that are not actually together in the original canon. For example, Martina who loves fanfic, ships Loki and Jane (known as Lokane from Thor), Draco and Hermione (from Harry Potter), and Buffy and Spike.

I’m not an expert, so I’m relying on you Nasties to help us out with the specifics. There is such an incredible diversity of fan fictions out there, and there’s no way we could talk about it one measly blog post. But in case you’re new to fan fiction and trying to navigate the vast amount of work out there, here are some other fan fiction terms you might come across:

OTP – one true pairing (we covered this in the video)
Slash – homosexual pairings, like GD/TOP or Hermione/Ginny
Oneshot – usually fanfic is written in chapters and posted as the writer develops the story. A oneshot is a standalone, single writing piece
Fluff – usually short, generally not plot heavy, always romantic and warm fuzzies-inducing
Canon – when the events portrayed are accurate to the official source material. so, since Jay Park left 2PM in real life, he’s not part of 2PM in a canon piece either
AR – alternate reality, usually a “what-if” scenario that uses the source material as a jumping off point, like if Edward never returned to Forks and Bella stayed with Jacob
Crossover – mixing your characters or worlds from different source materials, say Loki and Sookie Stackhouse
Lemon/Lime/Citrus/Smut/M – contains sexual material and/or might only focus on sexy times (but sometimes it is fantastic plot with a splash of sexy times)

Do you agree with the above definitions? Have they changed recently or mean something different to you? Let us know! I would absolutely love to recommend some stellar fan fiction for you guys, but I haven’t really read all that much. So maybe we could all help each other out and share some good ones in the comments? We should probably indicate what kind of style/genre/ship. That would be really cool. And let’s try to be nice and non-judgemental here, okay? Different strokes for different folks. Intern Leigh out!

Bonus Round : 싸가지

I found out while writing this blog post 싸가지 comes from 강원도. It’s their way of pronouncing 싹수.
싸가지 means a person who is rude, mean, or has bad manners. It’s generally used when you want to insult someone by calling them a horrible person.

It’s used as a noun, or as part of a phrase.
1) 싸가지 (noun. Rude person)
2) 싸가지(가) 없다 (That person is very rude)

Here are some different ways to say being rude:
1) 싹수가 없다
2) 싹수가 노랗다
3) 버릇이 없다
4) 버르장머리가 없다
5) 무례하다

Martina’s Interjection!

Hey guise. Martina here. Remember when we asked you this:

fanfiction sharing

don't worry be happy

We wanted to share some of your favourite kpop fanfics for this post, which we thought would be appropriate given the topic. I am an avid fanfic reader myself, and I know that it can take a loooong time to scan, read, and flip through various fanfic communities in search of a favourite author or story. So, I thought I could enlist your help in finding some of the best kpop fanfics.

We got a lot of excited tweets and emails from fans of fanfic sharing their fav stories, as well as actual authors who wanted to share their stories with us. Oddly, though, there was an explosion of people that did not share in the excitement. For example:

So Angry Tweet

Already made my own fanfic

Public Fanfic tweet

the fanfic grumbles

fanfic problems

Yup. The kpop fanfic community freaked out, shut down, and imploded over one tweet. People panicked over their assumptions about what we would create, over a video of ours that didn’t actually exist, since we were never going to made a review of fan fiction. All this fear and anger coming out of misconstrued conclusions formed in the rumour mill and passed along Tumblr. LET THIS BE A LESSON ON THE DANGERS OF GOSSIP!

We even got emails and tweets from people demanding that we must first ask permission before we use any fan fiction, as if they knew what we were going to do to begin with. When we responded to these people and linked them to our tweets, they had various responses like, “Oh, I don’t have twitter so I didn’t see that” or “I don’t follow you on twitter” or “oh I read about your filming in a forum”. Whut? So you didn’t even see our tweets, but you form conclusions and thought the worst without even looking into it?

After that we realized there was clearly no point of putting up another tweet explaining our actual intentions since:
A) Angry people don’t seem to listen to what we say anyway. They just like being angry and wading through Outrage Porn
B) This video was coming out soon and would just explain it all away.

So if you’re one of the people who freaked out at us over the implosion of the Kpop Fanfic world, do some research first before you come to conclusions from secondhand accounts. And for those of you that locked up your once totally public fanfic accounts, be freeeeee knowing that we have zero interest in making a video reviewing your fanfic writing skills. We simply wanted to share your work with other readers. Now, everyone take a deep breath and put your stories back up online because you have fans that really want to read your stories. Or, more importantly, if online privacy is important to you, take more steps to ensure your privacy and the protection of your work, or – well – just don’t post stuff online if you’re afraid of online commentary.

Martina’s Interjection Over!

Stay tuned for next DICKS, where Martina promises she won’t not tell you how to not tie a cherry stem without your tongue. You don’t not want to miss that, now do you? Make sure you subscribe by clicking that big, shiny red button below. We’ll make sure you don’t miss out. And if you have any awesome slang we should know about, let us know, either in the comments below or via twitter. 뿅!



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  1. Some of the response tweets were OTT.

    Given the vagueness of the tweet, I think it’s fair that some fanfic authors would be worried.

    Anytime fanfiction is brought into the limelight, it’s never usually to appluad creativity or for a positive reason, but to show how delulu and crazy the fans are (I’m specifically thinking of when Moran had some of the BBC Sherlock cast read out some JohnLock fic – it wasn’t done to create interest in the famdom, strengthen the fandom or to applaud the author’s creativity but to mock these crazy shippers).
    And as fanfiction is something that is done out of love, not for profit, it can be quite personal to a lot of fanfic authors, and I think it’s understandable that they might not want their fics mentioned on a video/site that has a large fanbase (esp if the fanbase isn’t interested, and might only end up sniggering at the fanfic community).

    2 years ago
    • the way they reacted made them seem much worse and crazier that the whole slash shipping fics….

      2 years ago
      • It’s been said by many a fandom – people focus on the loudest, more vocal members of a fandom and let them represent teh fandom in their mind. It doesn’t mean they actually reflect the fandom, and that is something I try and keep in mind anytime I come across an annoying/mean fan.

        2 years ago
    • I understand the fear and how personal any work is to its author.And yes it is fair to be worried about how it will be used and what might be said about it. But you put it out there for others to see and read. they all have opinions and they may be the exact opposite of yours. If you don’t want your fic shared simply lock it where few can see or read it and decline when others ask to use or share it, that is your right. There is no excuse to be rude and horrible to someone for wanting to share it. If the request and the intent is vague, ask for more details. I can see how after the Sherlock incident, people would be edgy about someone wanting to use their work for a video, I can understand the fear of that happening again. But to explode with that much rage without knowing all the facts is not right and does not reflect well on the fanfic community either. Though I will admit that it does speak volumes of how you all have been treated… which isn’t right either.

      2 years ago
      • Yes, fanfics are put out there for anyone to see and read, but the only people who bother to go searching for them are those who are interested. For a fanfic to be put on display on a platform like EYK could attract a lot of negative comments and mockery that it would not otherwise be exposed to.

        As for locking fics, that’s what most authors did in response to EYK’s vague tweet (a tweet which many people asked for more details to set themselves at ease and got nothing in response other than the tweet that said they’d ask permission. A tweet that was a day later). They took proactive action to avoid drama with EYK.

        And as the fanfics are the creative work of the authors, they are 100% entitled for their work to NOT be featured on a for-profit video.

        Those who exploded with so much rage are definitely the more immature fans of fanfiction, but you can’t judge the fanfic community based on them (much like I don’t judge EYK’s Nasties based on the over-zealous few who give the fandom a bad name).

        All of this could have been avoided if EYK had tweeted exactly what they intended to use the fanfics for – people didn’t know if they were going to be acting out segments, making a parody or reading out pieces.

        EYK did the best thing by not mentioning any specific fanfics. I think if they want to handle the subject of fanfic again, they should stick to talking about troupes, or plots that crop up regularly, rather than mentioning a specific fic.

        2 years ago
    • I suspect the over-the-top reactions were not by people who are regular viewers of EYK, simply because Martina has mentioned her love of fan-fics several times and I don’t believe she would mock anyone for writing or enjoying them.

      Another catalyst in this overreaction is the age of many of the Kpop fanfics. The largest percentage on AFF seems to be teenage authors or authors in their early twenties. I’m not belittling them but the potential for drama is higher with that age group. When you get to be a pervy old ahjumma like me, you don’t care as much about other people’s opinions. (Plus you’re smart enough to use a nom de plume and take steps so potentially embarassing stuff is harder to trace back to you!)

      2 years ago
    • OVO

      Yes thank you! I think that is very well worded and a great example. I think people tend to forget that there is quite a big group out there that does not ‘ship’ and are quite judgmental about it, even within the kpop fandom.

      2 years ago
  2. /sits in a couch/

    /grabs popcorn/

    this is one great show.

    2 years ago
  3. Slash is the right term for male/male couples. Femslah (or is it spelled femmslash?) is the term for female/female pairings :)
    There’s AR, but there is also AU~ Alternate Universe. Alternate Universe, though, has more to do with like Harry Potter taking place in an American high school and no magic. I actually haven’t seen many people use the term AR~~~
    Also, I think lemon and lime are kind of outdated terms. Back in the day, when I started reading fics, those were the terms, but now they’re just rated like movies, I think, like PG, PG-13, T, R, NC-17, M, etc.
    Another useful term is PWP, or Porn Without Plot, or Plot? What Plot?, which are usually fics without any plot… it is only sex.
    That’s the only thing I can think off the top of my head about fic terms :D
    Have a good week, eyk crew ^^

    2 years ago
    • AU’s I’ve read are pretty much anything that alters from the cannon storyline. So in the Hogwarts case, same world but in an alternate timeline where Hermione has to marry Draco Malfoy, or James and Lilly never died …stuff like that.

      2 years ago
  4. youths can be scary

    2 years ago
  5. oh man, another drama over nothing. people just like to blow things out of proportion dont they?? i didnt even know about this clueless me. anyway i hope you guys do the video, which you wanted to make, the way it was originally planned and not be worked up over what people will say. i like to see real shit…and well fanfiction needs to be talked about more!! this is the internet people why post it if you dont want to share it!!

    and BTW soozie…i love gag concert…i use kim jimin’s catchphrase all the time, my sisters love the show too and they said your hair is really pretty <3
    sooly for life!

    2 years ago
  6. I can’t believe those people. I used to write fan fiction and I think if I had the opportunity of people like you promoting my work so others could see it, I would have being extremely happy! I don’t understand especially the fans saying these people hid there work because of you, people hide their fan fictions all the time for a lot of reasons; Ask the author why they did it before you start blaming others!!!!! I wish I could slap them and bring some sense into their tiny heads, GOSH!!

    I love you guys and I just hope you don’t pay attention to those that just feed themselves from hatred, brush that negative energy off your shoulder and continue being AWESOME!!! <3 <3

    PS: I ship Hermione and Draco too :3

    2 years ago
    • OVO

      (I’m not defending the blaming or the hate, but there were actually quite a few authors and communities that explicitly stated they were closing/going private because of the tweet, would not have been my choice, nor my reaction, but fans weren’t imagining things)

      2 years ago
      • My names Sara, I’m 18 and from the USA! hahaha…

        2 years ago
      • Hi Martina, first off thank you for being open-minded and giving us the chance to explain.
        I write fanfiction and after seeing your tweets, I did lock my stories. However I’d also like to say that I am a regular viewer of all your channels (I even watch your livechats!) because you guys are really fun. Also, when I personally disagree with something you say, I shrug to myself and move on. Still, I’d like to explain myself regarding this issue.

        My issue with sharing fanfiction here is that eatyourkimchi is a company that professionally interacts with the people written about. Some writers don’t want to be associated with such a company or known via eatyourkimchi for that reason. Fanfiction communities are safer in that sense because the people who go there know what they’re in for, and when fanfics are shared they usually are within the context of another fan community (for example, via the Tumblr tag for that community).

        Another reason why I think people didn’t take too kindly to this is because your first tweet didn’t mention writers; there are a lot of issues with plagiarism and appropriation of stories online, despite authors’ efforts to protect themselves. Fanfiction authors (at least some of them) post online for lack of choice — that’s where the communities are and, honestly, where else can fanfiction be shared? I know that putting something up online makes it freely accessible and I do struggle to justify myself in saying that fanfictions are still the author’s property from a legal point of view. This is where fan communities come in again; people within communities do tend to respect authors’ “copyright claims”, making it a safe-ish, positive environment where people can feel comfortable sharing their stories.

        Also, I would like to add that protecting your privacy and restricting access to your stories is, logistically, not an easy task. It comes with pros and cons, and often when authors restrict access to their fanfictions it’s not because of fear of criticism but because they are trying to restrict their fanfictions to genuinely interested people who hopefully won’t betray the “unspoken bond of trust” present within fan communities. Online politics are indeed very messy…

        Lastly, RPF (Real Person Fiction) is far from being accepted by all fans. In fandoms involving actors who play characters in movies/TV shows for example, a lot of fans who enjoy fanfictions about the characters are against the idea of RPF because they find it intrusive to the actor’s life and/or disrespectful and/or weird (the list could go on). RPF is often given a bad reputation as a whole, more so than fanfiction already is. Kpop fanfictions, by definition, deal with real people and there are kpop fans that are against kpop fanfiction. RPF in general is a very touchy subject and, in this context, I find it understandable that some writers do not wish to over-promote their stories. I kind of view fanfiction as an appendix to fandoms — the people who are interested in fanfiction need to go that extra step or turn that extra page to enter it themselves. There are people who watch your videos and read your blog posts that are not a part of fanfiction culture just as there are people who are markedly against fanfiction. For this reason, when fanfiction communities are threatened to be exposed not only to people who are against it but to people who are featured in stories such as the idols who happen to watch your videos, my gut instinct is to protect myself. As I’ve said before, fanfiction is often given such a bad reputation that I don’t feel like I should be blamed for fearing the worst.

        Sorry this comment is so long but I do hope I’ve helped clarify some things. I’ll say this again because it bears repeating: online politics are so messy, but I do encourage others to respect writers’ decisions regarding their own works, no matter the sharing-platform used.

        2 years ago
        • Thank you, as a fanfic author myself I couldn’t have found a better way to explain this.

          I try to see it from both sides. There’s nothing wrong with sharing of course, but as part of a community in general that has been ridiculed more often than not my the media, it’s really difficult to accept that such an outlet like EYK could do by exposing the fanfics. I got nothing against EYK, and I know that they meant no harm and were trying to share some good fics but it’s difficult, especially since some Kpop idols do watch these videos.

          I’m getting Sherlock flashbacks again. *shudders*

          2 years ago
        • OVO

          Ahh thank you for replying, I was struggling with explaining and you do a much better and neater job!

          2 years ago
      • OVO

        For me personally, as a fanfiction writer myself, the reason for temporarily setting my journal on private or closing would be not the fear of getting criticism or being known, but the hate. Just like you get hate for the slightest things, there is also a tendency in the fanfiction world to get hate for the silliest things, and the bigger the exposure of your fic is, the larger the chance. This could just be die-hard shippers not liking the fact that you write a pairing they don’t like, but I have also seen people getting hate comments because they wrote about real persons, which is a no go for some people, or as bad as just writing slash in the first place, or just to get attention. Because your audience is quite varied in my opinion the chances of this are higher. I personally know fans of your channel that really dislike fanfiction for example. Another reason, but I’m speculating here since this would not be my own, might be that there is a lot of stealing/plagiarism going on with people getting their hands on the ‘famous’ fics and re-posting them elsewhere under their name, or even changing the names of the characters and re-posting. I know at least some of the journals that closed were those of authors who have had problems with this before, and although I cannot know exactly why they closed, I think that might play a role as well

        2 years ago
      • I find it somehow ridiculous that they do that, EYK asked people to let them know about their favorite fanfics, if the authors didn’t want it to be published by EYK then why not send and email or tweet saying it, and maybe explain the fans so they don’t promote it either. I still don’t understand their position, anyone can share their work anywhere!

        2 years ago
        • OVO

          Many people did explain it to their fans actually, some even left their journals open but just put up a post saying they didn’t want their fics to be linked. And I totally understand the position, there is a difference between can and should share, and if an author doesn’t want their work shared outside their particular niche of fandom/target audience that is their own choice, and exactly because they are aware that everyone can link it anyway because it’s the internet, they (temporarily) closed their journal. The hate was totally uncalled for, but imo the writers cannot be blamed just for being careful. Honestly, I would have set my journal to private if I thought there was any chance of my fics being featured in a vid on eyk, and not because I’m afraid of criticism, but because with the type of fics I write, I don’t feel comfortable with anything drawing the attention of a lot of people outside my normal target audience to my fics.

          2 years ago
        • Then if authors explained it to their fans, and some actually send messages to EYK saying they didn’t want there work out there or they did want it out there, or put it on private temporarily, the only thing that I can think of is… some fans are way too extreme, and they need to take a chill pill with some happy juice and relax about it.
          There’s no need for death threats (even though they seem to love them death threads -_-)

          2 years ago
        • *granny voice* Bunch of brats with too much time in their hands I tell you.

          Is the same with YouTube videos, they get hate all the time for no apparent reason. Unbelievable :P

          2 years ago
  7. Oh man all the Fanfic slang takes me back to days when I actually read them. I don’t anymore just but once upon a time I was an avid reader. I even wrote a couple too but nothing kpop related. That time in my life was long before the kpop came in to play. And yes, AR and AU are relatively the same thing. AU is just used a lot more for the more extreme changes, like taking The Legend of Korra characters and putting them in 2014 instead.

    As for all the hate, did anyone really expect anything less? There are always going to be people looking for somewhere to have their hissy fit, especially online and especially with fandoms. It’s simple common sense fellow fanfic people, either new or old or retired like me. If you don’t want your story shared, do not put it online. Period. If you only want it shared with specific people, then put it somewhere like FB or Livejournal where you can lock it down. Don’t cry foul if you put it online publicly (IE: fanfiction.net or somewhere of the like) and the link gets around. If you publicly post it, then people are going to read it. It really is that simple.

    I don’t see what all the fuss was about to be quite honest. As someone who has also posted fanfic publicly because I wanted people to read them I would have been ecstatic to have someone post a link to my story with such a huge fanbase to see it, no matter what they said about it. Its still publicity, and criticism helps you grow. But that’s just my opinion.

    2 years ago
  8. As a budding writer myself, one must understand, to write is to be read and to read is to make your own judgement, literature is not an order, it is a painting in your mind. people seriously need to calm themselves down and stop clawing at things to hate :( As a writer I would have LOVED for you guys or a mass group of people to read my works of art! constructive criticism mate!

    2 years ago
  9. Now issue with your last sentence. You’re blaming the readers.

    Sharing is different from submitting.
    The people on the twitters are not “submitting” fanfictions by tweeting the links to Simon and Martina unless they claim it as their own when in truth they own nothing. They are simply sharing the link of their favourite fanfiction. There is no need to gain permission or consent to share an uniform resource locator. Since that’s what it is, a resource locator – out in the public; for anyone to access unless it’s password protected. People are simply tweeting the link, the title and the author. It’s stating a fact. People do not need permission to state facts. These tweets are not using the works presented at these URL; thus no permission is needed. It’s basic rule of the internet.

    Targeting innocent fans of the EYK on the twitters by telling them they have noright to tweet out their favourite fanfiction is rude. They did nothing wrong and should not be wronged from doing so. UNLESS the author themselves went to them and asked for them to remove the link out of respect; THEY DID NOTHING WRONG HERE. I’m pretty sure these innocent fan meant no harm to the writer as they are ignorant of all the hate EYK is receiving. THEY ARE NOT AT FAULT. EYK IS NOT AT FAULT. THE PEOPLE WHO OVERREACTED AND FALSELY BLAMING PEOPLE ARE THE ONES AT FAULT.

    2 years ago
    • “its not really eyk’s fault, its the readers that wanted to submit the stories without asking the author.” – You blamed the readers in general. There was no mention of “plagiarizers”.

      Also, even if there were two types of readers that read fanfictions, simply linking EYK to an author’s fanfiction page is nothing close to stealing. I understand where you are coming from, but by them tweeting to EYK the link to a fanfiction they like has nothing to do with plagiarizing. If an idiot wanted to plagiarized a story, they would do so even without EYK posting a tweet asking for links. The writers are at fault for overreacting and I don’t see any other excuses that are valid for their actions of harassing others due to their own fear. Fanfictions have been brought up on larger platforms other than EYK. PEOPLE KNOW THEY EXIST. The writers needed to calm down. The KPOP fanfiction community is not even that big in comparison to other fanfiction communities. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be respected, but if you’re going to put up a fanfiction on a public website – anyone can view them; whether you want to or not because it is the internet. No, the internet is not free – but neither is the park. But the park is there for public access, so anyone is allowed in. The writers do have the right to their story, but they do not have the right to their link. It’s an internet rule. Sharing links/mentioning links DO NOT REQUIRE PERMISSION. DO NOT REQUIRE PERMISSION. DO NOT REQUIRE PERMISSION.

      Also, I’m not saying it’s okay for people to fuck on my bed. My bed is in my home. For a thousand people to fuck on my bed; they need to break into my home and invade my privacy. That is illegal and I could sue them for it and or they could go to jail. A thousand people visiting a link is like a thousand people going to a park or going down to main street. A public place. Free to access, free to roam, free to view.

      And I’m sorry if this post sounded like I was attacking you. I promise that was not my intention. I got really pissed off that some writers decided to get all “tough and all that” and thought it was okay for them to tell others that they didn’t have the right to share a LINK. That takes it out of the EYK context and into “A dummies book on how the internet works’. And considering the fact that they’re a writer on the internet, you might want to know how the internet works in terms of legality before posting anything on it.

      2 years ago
    • Another thing I never understood: people who argue that it’s wrong to share the links of fanfic without the author’s consent:

      Why are there share buttons at the bottom of Asianfanfics, then?

      2 years ago
      • As someone who does not read fan fiction, I was rather amused by this post.

        2 years ago
      • Here’s a reason… You’re making money off written works that are done for free. Work that took a hella lot of time and effort to create and your gonna go take and dapple around it and create a few extra dollars… duh? You’re english teachers… think outside of the box. The answers are all there. And not many fic writers are a fan of your…’reviewing skills’ maybe that’s another reason? You shouldn’t have touched this side of the fandom anyway. Not many people want their work shared outside of their specific fandom.

        2 years ago
      • o.o

        I think it’s necessary to see the other side though, but I understand where the misunderstanding came from. For instance, I write fanfiction (I’m not ashamed of it, I’m proud of my work) but I had no clue what you were going to do with the fics. Sure, now we can see your intentions but we had no clue.
        Second, when things are shared outside of the fanfic community it makes me uncomfortable. The fact that not all of your audience writes or reads fanfiction opens it to ridicule. And people tweet my fics all the time and I’m fine with that, in fact I’m flattered by it– what I wasn’t happy with was when someone tweeted my fic directly at SHINee’s Jonghyun. I know that it was unlikely that he would have seen it but it made me uncomfortable. There are lines that are there, and they are different for every writer, but unfortunately you crossed them. It wasn’t with bad intentions, but you have to see where it went wrong.

        2 years ago
        • 1) It was most definitely NOT eyk’s fault that the fanfic was tweeted to SHINEE.
          2)If someone writes a fanfic about me, i have somewhat of a moral right to read it. You are using a character you did not create, therefore, you do not own that character.

          (i read fanfic, just wanted to make it clear that i’m not a hater)

          2 years ago
        • o.o

          1. That was an example of lines for a author being crossed without the other person’s knowledge. That happened months ago of course it wasn’t EYK fault. LOL.
          2. Sure he has the right to read it, I just didn’t want people to tweet it at him, I don’t think that’s wrong. /Of course/ I don’t own them.

          (I’m not an EYK hater I just didn’t want them to use my fics under any circumstances and I think that’s understandable)

          2 years ago
      • Authors don’t write things for fame, they write it for their own enjoyment. Fanfiction is like that dark corner of the fandom a lot of people don’t talk about, at least, I wouldn’t openly talk about fanfiction to say my English teacher or parent. There are people out there watching these videos that AREN’T part of the k-pop scene, plus idols who, while yes they already know about said fics, we wouldn’t be comfortable with seeing these things. It’s not wrong to share links of the fic between FRIENDS, thats why the share button is there. When we’re talking about things on a big youtube channel scale, however, things are different, because you’re going to use them for a video. Again, as a writer myself, I WOULDN’T like my fic to be famous. I just write it so others can enjoy the same thing I do, maybe fangirl here or there, but would I like the hundreds of thousands subscribers that you have to see it? no way. Plus, a lot of us DIDN’T KNOW what you were going to do with the fics. If we knew it was for a silly video like this (which actually didn’t require any fics in general) we wouldn’t have reacted as violently. Plus, you two have a reputation for saying your cold hard opinion on things; a lot of us didn’t want one person’s mistake in a fic to reflect the whole fandom. also did i mention WE DON’T WRITE FICS FOR FAME OR MONEY?

        2 years ago
        • Woah. I… Wasn’t expecting that kind of answer. When I saw you had responded I was half expecting an angry response calling me names to be honest (and the same for my other comment further down as well).

          Well, I’m happy that you see why you (and others) were wrong in the way you reacted. I like fanfictions too, you know? And since I’m only a reader and not a writer, I’m thankful for people like you who take their time to write for their and others enjoyment. Thank you for that, really.

          It just irked me to see all those people ganging up on Simon and Martina and especially all the insults being thrown at them.

          But hey, I was also a bit harsh in my previous comment, and you still responded courteously and with honesty so here you go, three hearts for the price of one:


          2 years ago
        • o.o

          Besides for the people who were insulting them, I don’t think anyone was /wrong/ it was just driven from a misunderstanding. I locked my fic because I didn’t want any of it to be in a video (regardless of the circumstances) and people were tweeting my fics to Simon and Martna. Period. I don’t think I was wrong for that.

          2 years ago
        • o.o

          “It was your choice to lock your fic, not Simon and Martina’s, and if, for example, your readers wanted to put the blame on someone for that, then they should complain to you, not to S&M.” I don’t think I (or any other writer) was to blame either. There was a misunderstanding, and their ambiguous tweet was the cause of that. And I don’t appreciate S&M mocking writers that decided to lock their fics. They didn’t state that they weren’t going to use it without permission for a full day (conveniently they put those tweets side by side in this post, as if they said that all along). You have to understand that they have a wide audience which has people who don’t read or enjoy fanfiction which opens them to ridicule. They should have been more clear with their intentions and said that they weren’t going to use fics without the permission of the author to start with. But you can have your opinion and I can have mine, I suppose.

          2 years ago
        • I don’t think the writers were to “blame” either for locking their fics. Like you said, there was some sort of misunderstanding and people should have find a better way to handle it than immediately starting to angry capslock everyone.

          I see what you mean by ” I don’t appreciate S&M mocking writers that decided to lock their fics”, but remember, S&M were blamed for the fics being locked and by “blame” I really mean called names. And they are humans, too. When people continuously send them hate mails/tweets/comments, they would eventually get irritated and in turn start venting their frustration (and I recall some writers insulting S&M to explain why they didn’t want them to even get links to their work, so I can understand their slight annoyance toward them). I actually taught they stayed quite calm and polite through the whole issue, considering that people were making assumptions and throwing shit at them using those assumptions as arguments.

          Now, I do understand fanfictions writers and readers being afraid of S&M mocking the fanfic community, I am a fanfic reader myself, and I know how sensitive the issue of exposure to a wide audience can be. I would rather fanfiction stayed in its dark corner where people who likes it can enjoy it without the judgmental comments of laypeople, and I have never cringed so much in my life than when watching some talk-show hosts bringing up the topic in front of celebrities who were the subject of said fanfics.

          However, I do not think it justifies any of the madness we just witnessed.

          If Simon and Martina did wanted to ridicule fanfictions, nobody has a right to stop them from doing so, even if we, writers and readers, don’t appreciate it. I know I wouldn’t have liked it if they had done that, but would I have gone and insulted them? No, because I’m mature enough to understand that not everyone is going to have the same opinion as mine on topic such as this.

          In the end I was more disappointed to see such terrible reactions from the fanfic community than really angry, but hey, it’s the internet, what can you do? Most people lose all sense of courtesy and respect once hiding behind the mask of anonymity, it’s sad really.

          2 years ago
      • HI, it’s not wrong to share the links of the fanfic, to recommend to other people to READ.
        You guys clearly said that you might juuuuuuust use it for the upcoming VIDEO… and clearly it’s NOT WRONG of people to overreact to that tweet because you guys didnt state CLEARLY what you are going to do with the fic links in the video even if its just the word ‘MIGHT’ that you used. Sharing the original link of the fan fictions is not wrong but using the content of the fan fic to make it into a video clearly requires the author’s consent.
        Fanfic authors put in lots of effort to write their stories. I’m sure they would appreciate people sharing their fic links. Even if your original intention was to recommend good fan fictions, your tweet was so ambiguous and from your past videos, which you guys critic/mock/tease artists MVs or what so ever, I’m sure you cant blame people to assume the worse out of you.

        2 years ago
        • My Question to you Chistinelee08 is, Why if it wasn’t clear what it would be used for did no one ASK them for details of how it would be used? When someone asks you for a favor and their intentions aren’t clear do you overreact and call them horrible names and threaten to kill them? Or do you ask them for more information to be clearer what they want from you and why?

          2 years ago
        • I think most authors did not follow eatyourkimchi and they only found out about it when their readers saw people (other readers too) recommending their links and by then the damage has been done.
          Most popular authors have experienced nasty plagiarism issues before so it’s not wrong for them to want to lock their fics immediately first when the motive of EYK asking for fic links to possibly be included in their future video was not made clear. This resulted in dismay in the readers as they found themselves suddenly unable to access their fav fics and the natural reaction was to find the cause of why their authors locked their fics.

          Also, I’m not saying those people who call EYK horrible names or sent death threats were right. I just want to make a point that all these problems would not arise if the tweet was made clearer.
          There will be a spectrum of how people react to a particular issue. Just because some people sent nasty comments to EYK doesnt mean that everyone in the fanfic community are like that.

          2 years ago
        • You’re saying this like you think we didn’t ask. We asked. We were ignored. Not one person was replied to to reassure us.
          This was when we started locking our work, and when readers became stressed.

          I don’t agree at all with the readers who started making threats, but that wasn’t the majority of the fandom. That was a very small part that has been built up to make it look like everyone was irrational.

          2 years ago
        • You say no one was replied to at all and that you were all ignored.. every last person in the fanfic community was ignored when calmly asking for clarification? Some how the strikes me as untrue.. as for why you weren’t responded to I can only guess. . Maybe by the time you sent your calm and professional request for information they were already knee deep in rage filled messages and yours got lost in the shuffle. And I agree that it is terribly sad that a small amount of people can make a mountain out of a mole hill..

          2 years ago
        • I know tons of fanfic writers asked and none of them heard anything back, so it’s not a complete exaggeration. A lot of them were (presumably) during the period S&M were offline sleeping, but there were some after the second tweet.
          Personally, I missed all the drama until well after the second tweet, but my twitter feed was full of people complaining that they hadn’t heard anything back.

          I still don’t believe that a mountain was made out of a molehill. I think it was an issue that could have been clarified more easily, and that people went far too over-the-top with their unnecessary rage. But initially it was dealt with appropriately.
          It was only once entitled fans got involved that it spiralled out of control.

          2 years ago
      • I see lots of comments on youtube, twitter and on tumblr asking their followers for their favourite fanfiction too, and that’s ok but when you do it (when you’re going to ask the authors first before using too) it’s not okay?

        Also I’ve seen lots of people laughing at authors wanting you to see it, saying “HAHAHAHA I’m laughing she’s so stupid” and “PFFFT I’ve never seen anhything more stupid”. What in the world’s name?

        I’m just gonna sit down with some tea, drink it, calm down and start making subtitles for this video now.


        2 years ago
      • Simply because their common sense was blinded by fear and hatred. Sadly, some people forgot how the Internet works. That’s the only possibility that I can see.

        2 years ago
  10. Gag concert is english subbed on KBS World. Just in case you want to see these ones on english.

    2 years ago
  11. OVO

    To start off: I completely disagree with certain reactions on the side of the fandom, by which I mostly mean the hate that Simon and Martina got (although I’ve seen some hate going in the other direction from the eyk fandom as well).
    I understand that it might seem like it can harm nobody when you share fics, but there is a difference between sharing your fics with people you are fairly sure will like it and sharing fics on a much larger platform which will reach many more people than just those interested in reading fics. Even if it’s not a review, or criticism or whatever, there are many people who disagree with writing fanfiction and RPS/RPF in particular, so I can totally understand as a reader and a writer myself why people wouldn’t want that to happen. There are quite a lot of other factors as well, including the fact that nobody knew what was going to happen with the fics, so I do not agree with the ridiculing of the fandom that is going on right now either. (The hate was ridiculous though)

    2 years ago
  12. I didn’t understand what the big deal was and I still don’t understand…all I know is some kpop fans can be very very scary. WHY?!!

    2 years ago
    • First fan war or well community of people (youths) having an irrational hatred for something that poses no danger towards society in general… youngin’s bee scary

      2 years ago
      • Yes, I figure if some would put half of their energy that they put into hating other groups (they see as competition) or obsessing over their oppars into actual real world/dangerous issues, these issues would be obliterated by tomorrow! lol. Random thought, I wonder if energy drinks are making them violent…I used to drink them and noticed that I was becoming a bit aggressive with my thoughts so I stopped drinking them. Pretty sure energy drinks are really bad for you…

        2 years ago
        • actually … i would say the SPRING OF YOUTH!!! lol but energy drinks works too

          2 years ago
        • Lol yeah, I just don’t remember being so violent as a teenager..haha. Maybe my parents remember that differently…

          2 years ago
    • Kpop fandoms can, at times, act like religious fundamentalists, and call for death to infidels.

      2 years ago
      • …That applies for your fucking fandom too. Don’t think your ‘nasties’ are so clean.

        2 years ago
        • yes thank you. so many people I know who have politely voiced their opinions on EYK have been sent so much hate and such terrible things from the “nasties”. This whole “religious fundamentalist, death to infidels” bullshit goes both ways.

          2 years ago
      • Indeed. Sometimes, I do try to put some constructive stuff about why I’m not that much into this song or that MV and I get so much hate. I’m just 1 person that is trying to explain why I might not like something. It’s soooo weird. It’s taste people, how can insults and the famous line “you don’t even know korean language/korean culture” make me go “ah yes, you’re right, I get it, and now I like it!”. It’s really strange how fandom works. And maybe that’s why, even though I really really really deeply love/like some band and artist, I don’t really want to be part of any kind of fandom.

        I get how sometimes it’s hard to see something you truly love being criticize, but… yeah, drinking tea, calming down and growing up should be the next step to try first before getting crazy.

        2 years ago
      • Hardcore nasties too..

        2 years ago
  13. i have a few favorite GAG Concert skits, and i usually just stick to watching those (i love the fact that KBS uploads all their programs onto youtube <3)

    my favorite ones are Dance Chatter, Badump Badump, The Three Friends, BBOOM Entertainment, The King of Ratings, Why We Don't Need Men, and Legend of Legends

    2 years ago
  14. I used to hate Gag concerts, especially when I lived with Koreans in Sydney and they would watch them in the living room really really loudly, and laugh really really loudly. It kinda drove me crazy.

    But now understanding more Korean and having stuff explained, I find a lot it really funny!

    And that article about Outrage Porn was so good and expressed the problem so well. You see it on Tumblr hate blogs all the time. I think usually there are very angry people running them, but the type where people submit (usually anonymously) some sort of evidence about how bad someone is, appeals to many people who are just trying to fit in. Like it’s really easy to be accepted into an anti community because all you have to do is show some hate as well. I can understand someone who is maybe having a hard time at school or something wanting to be accepted, but they feel part of a community when they join in, even if it’s a hate community.

    And the people running them as so convinced that they have a noble and just cause that they are completely blind to what they are really doing. Strip away the outrage and what is really happening? Are things being twisted in a way to make them seem worse than it actually is? Are people being held to ridiculously high standards that no one can reach which makes them easier tear down? Are you calling people racist and sexist etc who for the majority of everything they have done, have not been at all? Are you really just bullying a 13 year old girl because she said “I like Korean boys”. People really lose sight of the bigger picture. I was really happy to see that article express this strange phenomenon that has been happening lately.

    2 years ago
    • “And the people running them as so convinced that they have a noble and just cause that they are completely blind to what they are really doing. Strip away the outrage and what is really happening? Are things being twisted in a way to make them seem worse than it actually is? Are people being held to ridiculously high standards that no one can reach which makes them easier tear down? Are you calling people racist and sexist etc who for the majority of everything they have done, have not been at all? Are you really just bullying a 13 year old girl because she said “I like Korean boys”. People really lose sight of the bigger picture. I was really happy to see that article express this strange phenomenon that has been happening lately.”
      Thumbs up. A million thumbs up to you. Dia approves.

      2 years ago
  15. Hmmm, Gag concert skits are either a hit or miss for me, some of them are super clever and funny(the I know the feeling skit mentioned here is one of the examples) but there are others that simply disgust me because of the reliance on ridiculing fat people or people that aren’t as good looking and sometimes it gets even worse. I haven’t watched the show in a while though, hopefully it got better now.

    2 years ago
  16. “opinions are opinions and they differ really frequently” then why are “haters'” opinions devalued? They are worth just as much as EYK’s. One can be a fan and still question their intentions. As someone else mentioned, because of what went on in the KMM with BAP (or the general mocking tone of a lot of KMMs), of course people might be skeptical.

    2 years ago
    • I never said hater’s opinions are devalued, just that they should be ignored so as not to cause one to get angry or feel pain. If you let everything people say that doesn’t match your opinion or that is hate against you affect you you’ll tend to lead a very sad and depressed life. I’ve been there.

      2 years ago
  17. The internet seriously needs to stop making themselves the victim before a fight or argument even began. You aren’t that “great” as you think. Here’s the video you were all freaking out about before it was even made. Oh look, it turns out it’s a video for DICKS – a series ran by EYK coworkers who apparently everyone loves more than S&M -claps- Be ashamed of yourselves. Some of your actions are just as worst as the things you claim EYK to be of fault of. You are allow to have opinions but when they overpower your ability to have common sense; take a step back and revaluate yourself before critiquing others no matter how “worst” they are then you.

    I mean who needs permission or consent to link people to things? That’s how the internet works. People were attacking innocent fans who were tweeting links to EYK and telling them that they don’t have the permission to send out links to people. That’s issue one. Issue two, It’s extremely disappointing that these people thought their work was going to be stolen by EYK simply because their opinions of them is already negative, so why not accuse and blame them for plagiarizing – THEM, ENGLISH STUDENTS. They probably know more about the seriousness of plagiarizing then you do. It’s disgusting.

    But then again, only a few handful of people were at fault of this. Some reacted with maturity for which I applaud you for.

    Onto the video and topic itself! I love fanfictions. However I CAN’T bring myself to read any fanfictions involving real life people; being their real-self. I find it just horrible, and I personally avoid them and respect people that write and read them (I can’t even bring myself to read reunion fanfictions of DBSK D: ). I do LOVE reading fanfictions for fictional characters though. My personal favourite ship is SessKag (Sesshomaru and Kagome) from Inuyasha. It’s a AU/AR couple. Some of the best works I’ve ever read came from this community (writers in this fandoms range from teens to adults that are 30-40 years of age). It’s a great community.

    Another terminology to add might be OOC – out of character; when a character acts slightly off of what people perceive their personality to be like. Like for example, a fanfiction where Simon begs Martina to go to a Hello Kitty cafe. Simon would be OOC in this fanfic.

    Also CRACK COUPLES – so couples that make absolutely no sense, there were no hints of a possible romance in the canon universe yet fans like to ship the two anyways.

    2 years ago
    • My friend and I feel the same. We don’t like reading fanfics that involve real people (he has issues with roleplaying as well). To us, they are real people and honestly, we don’t want to imagine something over a real person.

      2 years ago
      • I’m glad I’m not the only one. It feels wrong to me. These people are living their own life in the moment you are writing the fanfiction. Doesn’t matter if they are celebrities or not. It’s okay with me for people to ship people together but it crosses the line for me when you write stories about their lives.

        2 years ago
    • crackships! Those are the best. There is a hysterical youtube music video called “I Ship It” that basically is all about crackships. Has anyone seen it?

      2 years ago
    • Can’t OOC also mean that the author is poking in to say stuff? Like, Bella and Jacob will be passionately kissing, and the author jumps in and mentions that s/he doesn’t like kissing?

      2 years ago
  18. the way so many fic writers and readers just completely freaked out and basically started a huge hate campaign has just been so off-putting to witness. I’m not saying everyone should love you or your way of reviewing other stuff, and I know writing is a very personal matter to a lot of people, but the way so many just assumed you were just gonna review fics in a mocking way without even asking the writers for permission to use their work, just really annoyed me.
    I don’t have time to watch the video right now, but I just had to get this off my chest, especially when reading your comment, Martina. kudos for keeping it so calm.

    2 years ago
  19. I’ll have to watch Gag concert from now on, I always see it but never really knew what it was :)
    as for the whole Fan fiction thing, thank you guys! The first time I saw your tweet about the fanfic it already had comments upon comments like the ones you gave as an example and I was really taken aback by it. My first thought was “Wow! that is quite a lot of assumptions” just like what Martina said. People are just being downright nasty for no reason.

    2 years ago
  20. first gag concert skit with english subs at about 1:26:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNuScx_XFg&list=PLMf7VY8La5RF5qeBFxvYHiud7YfvwH7AB&index=22
    i couldn’t find the second one quickly so welp haha

    2 years ago
  21. There’s a lot to answer in your comment, but I’ll just answer one: we don’t make stuff FOR kpop people. We make stuff for our audience. The kpop crowd isn’t even our biggest crowd. TL;DRs are our biggest videos. Kpop fandoms are just the loudest and complain the most, but we do stuff for the general audience as a whole.

    2 years ago
    • .. is this trufax or a guest… either way.. so… yeah… I’m a kpop fan… never denied it…
      I feel like your pissed off at something and read way too much in that one sentence… now because i have a couple of minutes before I have to go, I will indulge you on this one… When someone just likes kpop it does not necessarily mean they are a kpop fan… I think you need to have a little bit more love for the genre than just liking it… (depends on the passion) example: My friend likes some songs of 2ne1 and big bang …kind of … and that’s it.. He’s NOT a kpop fan so I think your reasoning is flawed… Second. The sentence you quoted… “healthy love” like I said I think is very important because I see that people around me and on the internet get in wayyyy to deap… It becomes their everything… and anyone that does not like it… MUST be evil… I mean chilll….. therefore a healthy love of kpop… I don’t know what your comment and my sentence have to do with each other… soo ..I guess you’ll have to enlighten me… if you would even bother…

      2 years ago
    • Nah, your tldr videos are the most watched because they’re your better videos. Kpop fans ARE the majority of your audience. I’m a kpop fan myself but I can’t bring myself to watch your kpop music mondays and I just watch your tldr, majority of fellow fans I know feel the same way.

      2 years ago
    • wow i didnt know that. i thought the majority of your audience are kpop fans. i watch your videos regularly and i am not a kpop fan, not even a k-drama fan. i thought i am a special minority among the nasties… guess i was wrong. damn it. i lost my special status and became “normal” LOL

      2 years ago
    • As a non-kpop fan- I really appreciate this. I didn’t even watch KMM for years- and now I watch because the commentary is irreverent and funny, not because I really listen to much kpop. I feel like the entire tenor of EYK would be dramatically changed if it transformed into a oppa-worshipping machine just to make the sensitive kpop fans feel better.

      2 years ago
      • I definitely agree with this. TL;DRs are what got me into this site and, eventually, into kpop. I love EYK because of Simon and Martina, their humour and honesty; not because of their pandering to my personal tastes.

        2 years ago
    • That’s what I was aiming at. Kpop people are the most sensitive and it should be known by now that certain thinks will make the fandom blow up. And I totally understand what you mean when you say you have your audience and kpop is just the loudest. But especially because of that some stuff should be put into more consideration. You guys know kpop fans bloe shit up when certain things are said and I know its your free will to say what you want – I don’t hinder you – but some stuff should just not be said. And I never cared before and loved all your vids – especially TL;DR and FAPFAP, but sometimes I think “okay they probably shouldn’t have said that now” because I KNOW how fans can be. I write a lot on my tumblr and get hate really quickly. So I can understand both sides here. EYK and the fans/authors.

      2 years ago
      • Should Eat Your Kimchi be respectful? Yes. But I don’t think they should censor what they say because of how someone will react. That is essentially why I love KMM- they speak their mind and aren’t afraid to say how they see it. And about The Bitch Ass Pussy thing, I hate the P word but that skit was funny. I thought that was one of their best KMM. They make fun of Kpop groups but they make fun of everything including themselves but they’ve never channeled hate towards Kpop idols. And yes, EYK has committed mistakes in the past but in my opinion that KMM was not one of them.
        I will sign of with this Shakespearian quote that I believe represents EYK well “This above all: to thine own self be true”

        2 years ago
  22. I was wondering what daehak-ro romance mean? this is one of the new skits but i dont understand the concept of it. Can anyone answer?

    2 years ago
    • Daehak-ro is an area in Seoul that has a lot of universities near it (or on it, I’m not quite sure, I haven’t been yet) and thus has a lot of Korean college culture stores on it (make-up, clubs, bars, clothes, cafes, etc.). Again as I’ve not been to this street yet I’m not 100% sure exactly what types of things are there, but this is the general feeling I get of it when my teachers and friends in Korea mention the place.

      2 years ago
  23. I thought only K-netizens overreact, like what the hell is wrong with just sharing some awesome fanfics with the community? I got a couple of friends to like AFF (kinda regret with all that smut going around, but too late), and how the heck would I have done that without sharing?

    With that aside, I don’t have a brotp (OTP male version), but I have my favourite ships from each group. XiuChen and KrisYeol fight in my heart, Jongyu sails all the way, Kyuwook is freaking adorable and I also like Woogyu (though Yadong ships themselves). I used to ship Jongstal, but the moment I watched The Heirs I know I will forever ship Krystal with Minhyuk. I’m attempting to write my own fanfic about them but it’s taking a long time.

    And I shall be a little extra and throw in some fanfic recommendations: Der Marchenclub (I’m so in love with that story), Silent Melody (prepare your tissues), The Siren’s Cry, Assonance (pretty old but still cool), Baby’s Breath, La Vita è Bella and

    Kyuhyun… It’s been hard on you (warning: 150 chapters. Worth it though). Anyone willing to share some awesome fanfics like the ones I mentioned? Or anything dark-themed, tear inducing and life ruining. ^^

    2 years ago
    • I’m sorry if my attitude annoys the heck out of you. Have a nice day.

      2 years ago
    • Fun fact: “Yadong” not only is Hoya/Dongwoo’s ship name, but is also the Korean word for porn ;)

      2 years ago
    • If you’re willing to read 2min and Jongkey I recommend This Time of Night. Also, The Beast, Two in a Million and I would recommend Anterograde Tomorrow, but it’s sadly deleted ><

      2 years ago
      • I didn’t know Anterograde Tomorrow was deleted, that’s such a shame. The Beast is pretty good (looking up TToN now). My own recommendations: Absolute Chanyeol is always a classic, as well as its partner Be Human. There is a Lay-centered one on Livejournal titled “In Monochrome” that is pretty well done. Oh, and if you want something really dark, “Black” is just about perfect (If you are okay with Taoris, at least).

        2 years ago
  24. Top + Daesung = ToDae!!!! XD

    2 years ago
  25. I might get hate for this, but I can see why people were hesitant about sending in Fanfics. (Although they should never have used the language they did.) Fanfiction are often looked down upon greatly by those who do not write/read them, and people get a lot of hate over them for any little thing that is not liked or is different from what they think should happen. If they were used in a skit, it would be painful to see your hard work, the result of hours of work, satirised. As english teachers, maybe you understand that if you wrote a story and published it, and then someone relatively well known came along and talked about it, and maybe laughed at it, then it can be very cutting and upsetting, especially if their fans came to read it and made the same comments on the fic itself. While people shouldnt have jumped to conclusions as to what you needed it for, it is not so farfetched that you would do a TL;DR on them, and so I can understand why they were worried.

    A few other things:

    You can ship a pair romantically, sexually or platonically.
    like for example; you could ship Jaejoong/Yoochun as a pair, but they are also shipped as brothers – called Soulmates.
    Also, just to say; Yaoi is also a term for a male homosexual relationship, while Yuri is for a female homosexual relationship. Slash=Yaoi, FemSlash=Yuri.
    also, you might see OT5 or OT3 in tags or warnings – this is not necessarily a sexual group pairing, and can again, refer to friendship or brotherhood.
    AU is what I think you have alled AR here – i have never seen AR used before but then again, I havent really checked.

    2 years ago
    • brotp is also used

      2 years ago
    • True, I am more familiar with AU (Alternative Universe) than AR – never seen it used either.
      And the OT3, OT9 warning usually means polyamory, or a crazy web of love-lines. I skip these kinds of fics, lol.

      Anyway, can’t believe that this topic brought on so much animosity. I was actually looking forward about this topic as I am an avid fanfic reader.

      2 years ago
    • Problem is that if they take the time to listen to EYK fans or watch their videos instead of blaming them for everything and assuming that everything they do is wrong and should go to hell for even existing – they would know that Martina herself adores fanfiction (mentioned multiple of times in their videos) and why would she go and do something horrible to the fanfiction community. EYK works have been improving lately too – a lot of the things that people pointed out to them have been getting fixed. But most of them ignore that fact and continue to bash them when they themselves are trying to change. Sigh, but yeah I see why they are worry but they overreacted big time.

      2 years ago
      • I think that it is the expression ‘one bitten, twice shy’. Fear leads to anger leads to the dark side of the internet. Also, from what I saw, this was mostly worry that they were inadvertently forcing authors to shut down. S&M obviously didnt mean for any of that to happen, but the idea that their fics would reach a higher platform is scary, especially not knowing what they would be used for. I would say that a tweet to explain that they were not using the fics in a skit would have been useful to stop panic.

        Also, one other thing I saw when trawling was that there was a competition for EYK fanart, and the winner of it had their work used without permission on this site, but I dont know whether that is true or not.

        2 years ago
        • Wait… didn’t you upload that Shinee interview that SM entertainment told you not to and still did (while acting like a bunch of ‘bitch ass pussies’ about it >.> ) It’s no surprise that everyone is so hesitant. (Not everyone is gonna kiss your ass) I mean you guys didn’t listen to one of the biggest idol creators in the entertainment industry what would you make you listen to us?

          2 years ago
        • http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/shinee-interview/
          Here, this might clear some things up. They explain in the link that they didn’t really need SME’s permission to post the video, but they decided to run it by them anyways. Then SM decided to be total assholes about it and, well, I don’t want this to turn into a rant so please just read the blogpost. This is what Simon & Martina mean by people jumping to conclusions without checking their sources first.

          2 years ago
        • I just want to say, that while I think in that situation SME was kind of jerky, S&M are technically(as in legally) in the wrong. SME owns all rights to SHINee’s name and image. That means that they have all rights to disagree to that image and name being used or shown anywhere or by anyone that they do not agree to. It’s for this reason that while you may be allowed to bring a camera to a concert, if you post a video of said concert it may get taken down. S&M claim to have had a verbal agreement but that wouldn’t stand up in court. In fact, even in the music mondays if SME said “no, I don’t like your review of my artist. Take it down.” it would be legal. If fact, I think there was a MM taken down before for this very reason.

          Honestly, even if was a loss to them, it would’ve been much smarter and safer to just scrap the video. They’ve left themselves open for a potential law suit at any point in time and possibly ruined relations with a major company.

          2 years ago
        • Your grasp of intellectual property and contract law is… weak at best.
          Using parts of a copyrighted work as part of a review is one of the major, internationally accepted, EXCEPTIONS to copyright exclusivity. This HAS to be the case otherwise every movie studio/book publisher/music company EVER would abuse it to silence all their critics.
          Recording a live performance and distributing it is clear copyright infringement of the musical work and audio recording – two separate copyrights (and may also violate terms of sales for the tickets).
          As for the SHINee interview, I don’t know what the contract says that they had between themselves and YouTube at the YTMAs, and SME with YouTube – if any exists at all – and I doubt you do either. But S&M obviously reviewed the situation and thought they could still go ahead. If SME REALLY had a leg to stand on they could have sued for breach of contract. But it would probably have hurt their public perception trying to ‘silence’ interviews they don’t like – so they didn’t. Their choice.
          As for artist name and image: S&M are perfectly allowed to use that trademark (a different form of Intellectual Property – look it up) to refer to the group and the usage is more than justified since they appear front and centre in the video.
          Law regarding showing people’s image differs around the world – and that I’m not too hot on – however, appearing in the interview without duress, clearly shows permission having been given. If SHINee and SME have a part of their contract enforcing oversight of interviews, then that would be a matter between SME and SHINee (and the manager if it was his responsibility) – NOTHING to do with S&M.
          As for the verbal agreement: the part that wouldn’t stand up in court – assuming no other agreements were made – would be the part where SME says they have veto power over the posting of the interview. It would be pure hearsay and any judge would laugh it out the front door.

          S&M are most likely safe – legally speaking. And their relationship with media companies is up to them. Perhaps they value living up to promises they made to their fans more than business relationships? Usually a good move since it’s the fans’ eyeballs that pay the bills and the overwhelming majority of their content does not rely on getting the permission of said media companies.

          Phew. I feel better now. :D

          2 years ago
        • It’s funny you mention the USA: since that country has among the most exceptions to copyright:

          “…for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.”

          This is of course under the guide of the 4-part test of ‘fair use.’ This is one of the laws that protects the freedom of the press. The 1st amendment to the US constitution outlines that ‘freedom of the press’ will be a thing but legislation like this is more the how. There is no special list of who is press and who is not because that too would be abusable and by it’s very nature would likely infringe upon such freedoms. If you’re talking more about things like press passes, access to events, review copies etc. those are business-business arrangements based on expected access to audiences – governments generally play no part. The laws we have in this world aren’t perfect by a long way but many of them have had thought put into them.

          Of course, laws in South Korea are slightly different but then we run into the ugly world of jurisdiction: distribution-wise YouTube is a US owned and operated company. Fair use would probably apply in – for example – a Music Monday, as even though the use is commercial in nature, they generally use only small cuts of footage, properly identify it, in the context of criticism/comment, and the use does not diminish the market potential and may even increase it due to greater exposure. S&M could point to their playlist views and comments on the YouTube MVs that say ‘EYK sent me here!’ as evidence that they are driving traffic and ad-sales directly (and single and album sales indirectly). So, rather than the exposure being why media companies don’t sue, they don’t sue because the greater exposure would be part of EYK’s defense. That would be difficult if not impossible to overcome and if they did it would be a big upset in the entire industry.

          Identifying them as SHINee is fine because that’s all it is: identifying them – S&M are not claiming the trademark for themselves. A person does have a right to be identified with stuff they were not involved in but again – they’re front and centre on camera happily answering questions. If they hadn’t given permission to be interviewed they could have, ya know… not answered, left the tent. Further conditions would need to be down in writing or otherwise because it’s not part of most law.

          I’m looking right now and I can’t find anything in Korean IP law that states people have absolute discretion over the use of their image even when it appears permission has been given. God nows I’ve seen enough pictures from press events and fansignings and airports and the like of Korean celebrities and the companies aren’t coming down like a ton of bricks on all of those uses and I’m certain hundreds of contracts aren’t going to be flying around the place to allow all of that. If I’m wrong please send me a link to something that will educate me on that matter.

          If the members of SHINee need specific permission from SME to identifying themselves as such in specific situations (such as endorsements) then that is an issue between SHINee and SME because they are the parties to that agreement. S&M don’t need to ‘check with SHINee’s parents’, the members and manager are all adults – it was just professional courtesy.

          But I’m starting to repeat myself…


          2 years ago
        • …and find the part of Korean law that applies. Please.

          2 years ago
        • Copy right act of South Korea. Chapter 3. Neighboring Rights. Section 2. Rights of Performers. Article 67(Right to preserve integrity) “The performer shall have the right to preserve the integrity of the content, form and title of his work, unless such indication is deemed unavoidable in light of the nature of a work as well as the purpose and manner of its exploitation.” Or Article 77(Joint Performers) “(1) If more than two performers perform jointly in a chorus, concert, or drama, etc., the rights of performers (excluding the moral rights of performers) as prescribed under this Section shall be exercised by a representative elected by the joint performers provided that if such a representative is not elected, the conductor or director shall exercise the rights. (2) In exercising the rights of performers in accordance with Paragraph (1), if a solo vocalist or a solo instrument player participated in the performance, the consent of such vocalist or instrument player shall be obtained. (3) The provisions of Article 15 shall apply mutatis mutandis to the exercise of the moral rights of joint performers.” depending on whether or not you would classify the interview as a joint performance or not(I don’t but others may beg to differ). Either way, SME has control over and exercises the rights of SHINee. They are SHINee’s representatives. They had every right to say no and they did.

          2 years ago
        • I looked for information on that, but I don’t speak Korean so I was limited to English sources of information. The only thing I gathered (from Wikipedia, they mentioned the articles they got all that from) that SM Entertainment has had problems in the past with unfair contracts (about the money then) and contracts going against human rights (making people things against their will and so one). So I’m not judging, but the way I look at it, they don’t always comply with the law. Meaning that their “noes” aren’t necessarily “within their power” (unless you count coercion and threats…). If you find somewhere information (in English, that’d be easier) on what “record label, talent agency, producer, and publisher of pop music” can or can’t do, I’d be very much interested.

          The way I see it, they manage the money, the contracts, the deals, the schedules but they can’t deny basic rights to the people they deal with. I’m guessing freedom of information and freedom of speech is part of Korea law.

          I found that document http://digital.law.washington.edu/dspace-law/bitstream/handle/1773.1/512/19PacRimL%26PolyJ487%282010%29.pdf?sequence=3 that explain some case laws and the way I see it (though I know I’m no lawyer), SHINee public rights have not been passed over because their image wasn’t used for commercial purposes and/or damaged : “Korean courts now recognize the Right of Publicity as a property right, which is both assignable and subject to inheritance.” “the nature of the [Korean] Right of Publicity as an exclusive property right”.
          I don’t know, I can’t pinpoint exactly was the issue with the law is about in the context of the interview, since the agency people said they didn’t like the interview. I’m still not convinced they had the right to.

          2 years ago
        • Basically, SME, YG, and JYP handle things in a way that is unique to other places. They are a Recording agency, a talent agency, a distribution agency, and a management agency. This means that SME, on behalf of SHINee, makes their music, sells their music, books them for shows, finds them job opportunities, and has control of their image as presented to you.

          Now on to the topic of human rights, people can legally limit freedom of speech. Think about the highschool you went to or go to. You most likely have a student code of conduct agreement. These agreements are legally binding. My school, for example had a language provision that said vulgar language was prohibited and that the determination of vuglar language was at the schools discretion. If I went against that rule, I could be punished or expelled. Does that infringe on my freedom of speech? Yes but by signing the agreement I waived my right away. It is very legal to waive ones rights away in exchange for something. I did it to attend school, SHINee does it to get paid.

          On the term of publicity rights, yes, you as a individual have an exclusive right to publicity UNTIL you turn that right over. Once again I’ll bring up school. In the states a while ago some tweens were suspended for misrepresenting a teacher via facebook. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/students-suspended-expelled-over-facebook-posts/517

          I will also link you personal management agreement. Also, always remember, it is within your rights to give up your rights.


          I would like to use this document to draw your attention to section 3. sub sections (a) and (b). Also, please keep in mind that SHINee’s artist manager, who S&M say they dealt with, is not the manager that this contract would refer to since they were told this manager had no power. That managers job probably entails things along the line of a personal assistant. Making sure they get to appointments on time, making sure they stay fed while traveling, helping them at the airport.

          2 years ago
        • Right, so sorry I was a bit busy but I did read your reply.

          First of all, IT IS NOT IN YOUR RIGHTS TO GIVE UP (all) YOUR RIGHTS. I don’t know in the US, but in France, there are a few rights you can’t sell. You can’t give up your moral rights that are part to the intellectual property rights (morals rights = forever… but when you’be been dead for a few centuries, some people can claim that right for you. Like a French movie based on the novel Les Liaisons dangereuses by Laclos had to (as in, a tribunal told them to after a trial) change slightly the title (I think they added the year or something) because an association thought keeping the same name with so many change from the actual story wasn’t right/ patrimonial rights = selling your art 70 years postmortem only, then public domain).
          In France, you can’t adopt an underaged child unless the parent(s) give up their parental rights (they can be denied to them in case of extreme mental illnesses or something, but if you’re divorced and the step-parent want to adopt the child, you need the parent’s approval, unlike some Korean dramas I’ve seen that made me cringe…).
          Actually, all the “personal” rights (the word French law uses), the rights to public liberties, such as the right to have a name, the right to vote, the right to parental authority, to right to “image” (like having your face blurred on TV if you’ve been shot by a TV crew or something, the right that’s usually used regarding paparazzis I think), the right to have an “honor” (not sure how to explain this one, but probably the reason you can retried after your death to prove your innocence)…

          As for rights being denied at school, well exceptions don’t deny rights. In school, you have rules but they’re supposed to be based on the ones that apply in society. Like, ok, no insults, but if you went to a school whose rules was not to speak unless told to, that’d be strongly illegal wouldn’t it? And if I remember properly, my French school rulebooks always quoted articles of law (libel… that is linked with insults if I remember…). Actually, there’s been (pretty nasty) debates in France about things allowed or not in public places like local swimming pool (can you refuse someone wearing a veil for religious reasons for instance), we really need to work on that but anyway, my point is: a rule isn’t necessary legal… (we’re running in circles, sorry).

          And publicly spreading rumors about people being pedophiles or something awful or just without proof: libel (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/libel).

          Now, I read the contract (US one?) you shared and I found the words “counsel”, “assist”, “subjet to client’s previous approval”… 3b is about “the prupose of advertising any and all products and services”, and here’s the thing: an interview falls under journalism, and so does blogging (even if it’s amateur journalism). The band didn’t advertise anything, did they? That’s the thing about interviews, you don’t advertise the newspapers nor the channel nor the poeple that ask you questions.

          I didn’t change my point of view so far, I don’t think you did either. I’m sorry we can’t agree on what an interview made with a band and then disliked by the managing company but still posted as it was meant to be really is all about.

          2 years ago
        • ….It was the longest read of my life and got 1/3 of what happened (i have no coffee and it’s late >.>) I’m going to wake up tomorrow and reread it but for now… Maybe SM had a reason for them to say no? I’m too sleepy to be directly mean and assholey (not to you though, you seem pretty sweet).
          But that seems to clear one of the many problems I have with them. Just one, but that’s pretty good since it’ll take a long ass time to move a mountain.
          Oh and thankyou it’s nice for you to link me. I don’t think I’m up for rants at this hour.

          2 years ago
        • How about you agree to let it go and stop mopping about it? You seem to be a very angry and grouchy person. Does it make you feel better to rant on someone? Your post are giving me a migraine but I personally I don’t give a care to what you said. I love their web shows and your hater feeling will not change that in anyway.

          2 years ago
        • In general I am moochy and pessimistic person..Ah…a nasty who says they don’t care but yet takes the time to answer me in a paragraph long reply…Should I feel honored?
          I never told you to change your ways, don’t put words in my mouth. I never said anything about your preferences, you just assumed that I cared. Have a migraine, it’s not my problem.

          2 years ago
        • They gave credit but it was accidentally to the wrong person. When they discovered that they felt so terrible about that because of course they know what it’s like to have work taken and not credited (so much EYK stuff has been stolen before). As soon it was brought to their attention they fixed it immediately. Unfortunately this story gets twisted by people to make it seem like it was worse than it is.

          2 years ago
        • About the fanart thing: yes, S&M did have a competition, and they forgot to give credit to the winner. But once they were told, they apologized for messing up on tumblr and put up credit.

          2 years ago
  26. I think its sad people over reacted the way they did. Changdictator even deleted ‘Anterograde Tomorrow’ and they’re blaming you guys for it. They could have deleted it for an entirely different reason.

    I just hope people wll do their research before overreacting in the future

    On a related note, I was totally going to reread that at some point in the future T^T I honestly do wonder why its gone now

    2 years ago
    • I don’t understand how we were blamed for other people deleting their stuff. It’s like we logged into their computers and deleted their fictions? If people want to keep their work safer and private, that’s a good thing for them, no? Create a safer, more secure environment where people can create their work. After all, we’re not the only ones with a computer and Google access. Anyone can read their works, and can do a lot worse with it then we did here.

      2 years ago
  27. FYI: The website is loading a little crazy town for me. Including the actual video for this not loading on the page. Just in case anyone else was having issues. Gonna go watch it on youtube now.

    2 years ago
  28. Martina ships Spuffy!!! OMG yes! They are the best, Angel was so boring. But Spike.. Spike is unf!

    2 years ago
    • I soooo shipped that… I was a Spuffy shipper from the first time I set eyes on Jame’s Marsters Spike…man his cheekbones gave me some good dreams :P

      2 years ago
  29. Top + Daesung = ToDae!!!! XD

    2 years ago
  30. oh cool!! eng subs!!

    2 years ago
  31. You didn’t mention my favorite type of Fic. Crossovers! Twisting the Hellmouth type stuff. :) The fic I’m reading now has like a million crossovers and it is so well done. (No kpop/kdrama stuff tho, although they did recently stop a North Korean invasion)

    2 years ago
  32. i’ve watched parts of GAG concert when idols go on it…….
    but yeah i don’t watch it since i have no idea what they’d be saying!!
    recently Key has been doing something from GAG concert, and of course i don’t understand it! http://instagram.com/p/kgVSGxpg2q/

    wow…..some people….so crazy and mean!
    and since i don’t know how the fanfiction community works…i really don’t get why they’d get so mad!! especially since you haven’t even done anything yet!
    and you guys did later say you won’t use it without the authors permission so why they hell should everyone freak out if the author doesn’t mind?

    2 years ago
  33. I saw a lot of shit going down with folks online overreacting towards your simple request. I know that excessive criticism is part of the deal when you become internet famous but… Jesus Christ. Folks can be crazy.

    2 years ago
    • Ana

      They do NOT have that right … not legally anyway. It might give you a moral itch, but for the majority of people as long as something has no biding effect they will not give one flying f**k. You make something public = it’s out there. As an author you need to assume responsibility for sharing on all parts.

      “It’s wanting to be respected” Respect is not something you should expect from anyone. People are mean and the Internet always has and always will be a space where people get the confidence to make fun of others.

      2 years ago
    • To be honest they have made many videos about copyright and all that so i doubt they would be so hypocritical as to do it themselves…

      2 years ago
    • I completely understand that people may not want their fics shared (I myself choose not to post them online for that reason) but the problems came in when people started attacking Simon and Martina with assumptions. To me, all arguments became invalid when they’d end their sentences with “Don’t give my fics to them because they are terrible people!” like what? not wanting your fics to be shared with the public is fine, wanting respect is fine but saying something like that automatically makes their argument of “respect” void, they are no longer saying they don’t want it shared out of respect or privacy, they are saying they don’t want it shared because they don’t like simon and martina and those are two totally different things.

      2 years ago
      • I totally get what you’re saying! One thing though like
        If I was a fic author, and didn’t like eyk for my own valid reasons, I wouldn’t want people linking my fics to them. Like that in itself is ok. People have their opinions and they’re allowed to not
        be associated with people if they don’t want to, yk?
        And like, just because you post something online doesn’t mean it’s literally a free for all thing, there are still ways to maintain a certain control over what you do post, so it’s upsetting if someone breaks that unofficial rule and stuff, aahh

        But again, the main issue really was the rudeness of so many people who did tweet them, and I completely agree that it was unnecessary hhh

        2 years ago
    • I don’t agree at all. If people post it online, it’s expected that people will read it. There are posts all over the place entitled “My favorite (insert name here) fanfics” or so and so, that post links to stories. I have never heard an author before that got upset because someone was trying to share their stories and get more readers for it. If they don’t want people to read their story, don’t post it. Or at the very least, in the author’s description or somewhere let people know that you don’t want anyone to share a link to the story. I’m a fanfic author, and I think anyone feeling like they had to ask my permission just to share a link of the story with someone else is super weird.

      tldr; if you don’t want people to read and talk about it, don’t post it online.

      2 years ago
      • Yes, but those people are interested in fanfics. “My favourite fanfics” won’t be a post directed at people who aren’t interested in fics but towards others who enjoy them, as a way of sharing within the fandom. Of course the writer won’t be upset at people sharing their fic with others who would enjoy it. That’s often the point of writing fanfic in the first place; sharing it with people you KNOW will read and enjoy it.

        This is an entirely separate situation where fics could be shared with people NOT interested in fics. And that is worrying because a lot of people uninterested in fics have very bad opinions about those who write them and read them. If you saw other comments, there was one which talked about a Sherlock producer getting the cast to read a JohnLock fic he had found on the internet, and the whole purpose was to make fun of the writer who wanted John and Sherlock to have sex with each other. It wasn’t to applaud the imagination of the writer, or her interest in the fandom. It was merely to laugh at her.

        EYK are a business who are well-known to idols and companies, and have a wide audience who may not be interested in fanfiction, and disaster could hit our small fanfiction community because of one measly video.

        TL;DR: We share specifically with our target audience and don’t expect those who don’t like fics to ever read our work. When threatened with outsiders reading our work, we get upset and defensive.

        2 years ago
        • I don’t think you’re being fair for the whole Sherlock situation: they DID include fanfics in the show last season and it was witty and funny, not disrepectful at all (I mean, I like reading fanfics and I wasn’t offended, but maybe writers were? dunno; were they repenting for the laughing incident?).
          I’m not saying making fun of someone is right (’cause it isn’t, though I’ve actually never heard of that story before, I’ll look it up), but even the JohnxSherlock was an inside running joke to the show from the very beginning with Mrs Hudson assuming they were gay (season 1, episode 1) until last season.

          If you want to share only with people YOU know will enjoy it, you find a place where you can restrain access, like a forum where applications need to be approved of by the person in charge or something. The basics of the Internet is that you can have access to anything through search engines – as long as search engines robots can access to the link (and you can make a website preventing that) – or if you give the specific link to someone.

          Any websites that don’t require authentification (or just an e-mail address to get an account) and is easy to find may have chances to be read by people who won’t necessary like what you publish. If you’re ashamed of it, if you don’t like it, then don’t publish. If you don’t like criticism and hate messages, like the ones Simon and Martina must have received recently despite being rather famous, then don’t write anything where it can be read. Keep a secret journal, and you’ll be fine.
          You seem to think that fanfic writers are different from the rest of the huge mass of people throughout the world who write or publish content online. Well, guess what? The same logic applies.

          Besides, one video coudn’t threaten your work… If anything it could
          have a larger audience, gets criticized or praised (I mean, fair use is
          an American concept right? it doesn’t just apply to traditional media or
          to the cinema…). If you write something public, people might talk
          about it. What’s wrong with that? Simon and Martin write and publish content and many people agree or/and disagree for various reasons too. You do something publicly, people love you or hate you. If you people just want to put yourselves out there to a few restricted people, no worries, you can do that too, you have options.

          2 years ago
        • the fanfiction community isn´t even that small……besides if poeple are not interested in fanfiction why would they watch a video about it?

          2 years ago
        • Our K-pop fandom is tiny compared to fandoms like, for example, Sherlock, Supernatural and Harry Potter. And to suppose all people into K-Pop fanfiction are into all types is an overstatement.
          You would be surprised how many of EYK’s fans watch every video regardless of topic and interest. Maybe they are completionists. But I can say with 100% surety there would be fans of EYK not into fanfiction who would watch the video and be rude about the fanfics mentioned.
          (I can also say with 100% surety there would be anti-fans of EYK watching to be rude about their interpretations of fanfics, but that’s another matter entirely.)

          2 years ago
    • One thing I didn’t understand: if we said we wouldn’t post a video without the author’s permission, then why did the people we didn’t contact need to know what we were going to do in our video? We’re always vague about what we’re going to do in future videos.

      But to many people that were respectful who contacted us privately rather than freaking out at us publicly, we answered them respectfully.

      2 years ago
      • Hey! I just wanna say that I think it’s great that you have clarified and adressed these issues in your blogpost and in the comments.

        Now you have yours side of the story out there and that’s whats important because the real nasties will trust you to be sensible and do the right thing from your perspective. For the rest, as you have said it yourself and as simons shirt says “haters gonna hate”. There will always be people who gossip and misunderstand you and make presumptions even though they really don’t know.
        So stay strong and keep up the good work because I think you guise are great!

        2 years ago
      • you should never react violently…

        2 years ago
      • Yes there is a line in which people need to draw between outright nasty and respectfully addressing the issue. Of course none of these reactions were justifiable. I agree, in fact a lot of these reactions were actually embarrassing. Yes, we aren’t entitled to a detailed script. Yes people should not send death threats. I’m not blaming Simon and Martina, I just thought there could have been a better way to solve the issue before it got too big, that’s all. Also, a lot of these journals were locked before they sent out the second tweet. The damage had been done, and as supporters of these writers a lot of us set out to find an answer (i guess you could call it that) but not all of us did so in the most respectful way. In no way is this amount of caps lock rage ever acceptable.

        2 years ago
      • I think it’s because of the HUGE ongoing issue of stolen works, whether it be fanfiction or fanart, etc etc. It’d be very easy for you guys to contact the author of the fic without knowing that that person is in fact NOT the author and just really wanted that fic to get some spotlight or something
        It seems sorta farfetched, but like
        there are a lot of people in the fandom that just don’t realize that it’s not ok to repost stuff not originally made from them, or don’t realize how shitty it is. That’s one of the reasons why people expressed their discontent right away through twitter.

        I realize how disrespectful a lot of the fans were though, like I mean there were a lot that were completely unnecessarily rude for sure.
        So I think for this sort of thing it’s just safer to be a bit more specific, because of the history of constant art and fic theft in the fandom. (It’d be easy to just stop putting anything up online altogether, but then you lose the spirit and feeling of community of being in a fandom. That’s why there are certain unwritten rules, and when someone breaks it, basically all hell breaks loose, so it’s just a matter of trying to prevent that from happening hhh)

        2 years ago
      • Anything you put on the Internet is never really private it will always be there no matter what. And I love fanfiction don’t get me wrong I read it all the time but when you put your work up on the Internet like that it’s open for the world to take and use and yeah its common courtesy to inform the author because they did write it and it’s there idea but I see nothing wrong with eyk asking for some work to share with fans because they were not going to review them they were only sharing and even if they did review these work so what that makes all these writers cowards you can’t improve as an artist if you yourself can not handle criticism
        Also none of these work are copyrighted witch means anyone like any ol Hollywood producer could find a story like “Innocent intentions” by exobubz (I’m not dissing on far a okay I love far a so don’t over react) and turn it into a movie and guess what you can’t do shit about it because 7th doesn’t have a copy write and only out of cotesy does the big time Hollywood producer give credit to the author
        So I think it’s stupid seeing all these fan hating on eat your kim chi because I love eat your kim chi they inspire me so much after I saw there videos online I had decides I wanted to be a teacher and I got up off my ass and started making up classes and I’m studying for all those big test and I had decided to take a small break this morning and read some fics but no people are not happy with themselves and want to start drama so yeah like Martina said don’t go around assuming things I did not say anything until I read all the tweets saw the video read all the youtube comments read the notes from the fanfic authors and read the blog post

        2 years ago
      • Maybe they’re afraid of the works getting removed. I myself am a very active follower of the fan fiction world, and to have one of your favourite author deactivated can be very upsetting.

        Instead of posting it on twitter, why not post your requests next time on your blog itself. Would that help?
        Or maybe it will still be discoverable, being on a public blogpost. So what was meant to be private become public.

        Man, I hate self irony.

        2 years ago
        • I think they meant that the writers themselves deactivated or deleted their work. Some readers were scared all the fanfiction would disappear because a lot of the writers were taking it down, and they became rude because of it.
          I read a comment from a new reader who said every single author she was aware of had deleted their work after the initial tweet and she didn’t know where to find anything else, so it’s not like it was an exaggeration either.

          2 years ago
        • Oh well. I guess the best thing we could do is to wait for the storm to pass.

          2 years ago
    • but it is going into crazy territory to yell “I WILL END YOU”
      there’s being respectful “please make sure to ask the author for permission beforehand” and then there’s freaking out like a lot of people did

      2 years ago
      • yeah no definitely, but there was a better way to go about this to prevent such an outcome, yk? People are passionate for what they love man, if they feel like it’ll be taken away from them for shitty reasons, they’ll get angry.
        OBVIOUSLY that doesn’t excuse anyone’s behaviour, but there we go
        it’s really difficult to maintain peace in fandoms eh

        2 years ago
    • Of course! That’s not at all the sort of behaviour I was referencing– I write myself and understand a writer’s desire for permission entirely. Folks should know better than to do anything to a work without permission from an author.

      I realize my comment was rather vague, but I was moreso thinking about a lot of the rather unpleasant attention that folks started spewing towards S&M once word of this blew up. Things along the lines of calling them the “scum of the earth” and “pretentious assholes”. It’s one thing to not enjoy Eat Your Kimchi and Simon & Martina’s humour, or to disagree with their criticisms/taste, but another thing entirely to start dehumanizing them and harbouring hatred. Folks seriously need to calm down– we’re watching silly videos about silly pop culture. Stay civil and express your dislike with proper rhetoric, not blind accusations and straight-up villainizing.

      2 years ago
  34. OK, I need someone to write fanfiction (slashfiction????) of SoZee and Leigh. IT WOULD BE SO CUTE OMG <3
    So hard? Ship them so hard?
    Ok, interwebz, make it happen!

    2 years ago
  35. You ship Loki & Jane…? Martina whyyy ;____; lmao!

    2 years ago
    • OHHMAAAGERRDDD! Because there is no way in hell that Thor could satisfy Jane’s thirst for knowledge. He’s a really nice guy but pretty average in the intelligence field. Sure, might be hot but that would wear off over time. I think that Loki would be Jane’s match when it came to intelligence, and I think Loki and Jane would go on adventures all around the universe b/c Jane is obsessed with discovering and experiencing different races and planets! Loki might seem like a huge dick in the movies but he’s totally putting up a lonely “I don’t care” front. Come on, he loves his mom. I LURV LOKI!!!

      2 years ago
      • But but but that doesn’t mean Jane is entertaining or useful enough for Loki! He may love his Mum but that’s about all he loves besides power & manipulation. MCU Jane, I’ll give it to you that she may enjoy learning about cosmos from Loki that Thor is unaware about but…what would Jane give to Loki? She’s human & therefore instantly below him. They may have spunk but humans are essentially ants to him. Nrrrrggggg.
        I just can’t think of why Loki would ever like Jane and how Jane would put up with all of Loki’s bullshit. I absolutely LOOOOVE Loki but xD I just don’t think they mix very well!

        I’m sure you know but it definitely makes more sense in the comics with the Thor & Jane pairing since she’s a nurse, caring for people and when Thor’s human he’s Dr. Donald Blake. @____@ Yeeeeeah, I’ll stop now. xD

        2 years ago
      • I definitely agree with all of this, but my heart has already been taken by Darcy/Loki. Even though Darcy and Loki have complete opposite personalities, I feel that they would just click. I’ve been really into Larcy fanfiction for awhile now. But, Jane and Loki have more of a chance of being cannon than Larcy ever will haha.

        2 years ago

    2 years ago
  37. TOP + GD =GTOP /runs away

    2 years ago
  38. Yes! GagCon is the best! I espcially love Boom Entertainment, Late Love, Why We Don’t Need Men, Badump Badump, and Dance Chatter.

    2 years ago
  39. i believe it’s AU not AR o:

    2 years ago
    • AR is there too, but it’s so unused it’s almost dead.
      Like lemon/lime nobody uses it anymore, and I’m sure if someone says “I found these great lemon” to friends they will give them the shifty eyes of confusion. Very few use that term nowadays :D

      2 years ago
    • yep AU not AR! alternative universe! :D

      2 years ago