Legitimately good question here: a lot of people associate Korea with Kpop, and are interested in Korea because of Kpop. But how popular is Kpop in Korea itself, from the general public’s perspective?

So, let’s start off by saying that Kpop is popular to Kpop fans…that might sound pretty obvious, but the die hard dedicated fans are SO SUPER DUPER dedicated that it makes the whole of Korea seem like it is filled with dedicated fans. You can hear the shouting in the audience as they sing along with the song with their own special fan song during the pauses in the song (seriously: who even plans something like that? That’s dedicated hard work), and you can see the big lineups and soldout crowds for concerts. But that’s among the fan community. How prevalent, though, is Kpop to the general, non Kpop-Crazed crowd.

After all, not everyone is a screaming fangirl. Not sure if you noticed, but those screaming fangirls are mostly highschool and elementary school students, not really college kids, or working men, or mothers of three, or grandmothers and grandfathers. To the uninitiated, general public in Korea, Kpop is something that they’re more than likely aware of and very exposed to, but it’s not something that’s all too prevalent in their lives. A lot of people that we speak to our age aren’t really that into Kpop, and we’re talking about both foreigners and Koreans. They can’t name all of the members of Girls’ Generation; they haven’t seen B.A.P’s latest video; they don’t have a bunch of 2NE1 merch in their apartments.

They’ve HEARD a lot of Kpop, though, that’s for sure, but it’s more than likely unwillingly. Like we mentioned in the video, if you’re walking down a busy public area where there are lots of shops, you will undoubtedly hear buttloads of Kpop songs everywhere. Stores have speakers pointing outwards to the public, and you will hear lots of music when you’re walking. Question to those of you familiar with Korean law: aren’t there any noise pollution laws or anything? We’re not just talking about the music being played outside of stores: we’re also talking about those godawful election trucks (WHICH THANK GOD ARE DONE WITH NOW THAT ELECTIONS ARE OVER!). Anyhow, the point of this isn’t to complain about the noise. We’re just saying that you hear a lot of Kpop and definitely experience a lot of it in your lives, even if you’re not particularly a fan of it yourself.

Incoming Martina rant!
A mini-rant about foreigners living in Korea who absolutely loathe kpop: we often hear the complaint that Kpop is all that they hear blasting everywhere they go and that Korea doesn’t make “real” or “good” music, in which I would say, if kpop is not your thing, maybe you should try checking out the Korean indie scene in Hongdae before you brand Korea as only producing Kpop music. Or…check out our Sunday K-Indie segments *glitter screen with a rainbow*. Whenever we check out a local club to see new indie bands, we see a maximum of eight foreigners in the crowd (and that’s a really really good night). Most kpop hating foreigners don’t seem to be expanding their Korean music horizon, they’re just hating on the kpop genre and making no effort to step outside their personal music comfort bubble. This is obviously not all foreigners in Korea, thank goodness, but there just seems to be a type of anger towards kpop. If you don’t like kpop, just be like, “yeah, it doesn’t really do it for me” but people rant and foam at the mouth about how much they hate it. Did JYP sneak into your house at night, tea bag you, and post the pictures to facebook? Did 2NE1 take a huge dump in your coffee? Did Big Bang personally hack into your ipod and add their music? Did Super Junior because I naughty naughty with your mother? SRSLY. What’s with all the anger people! It’s MUSIC! Just MUSIC! People even leave sassy remarks complaining about how we ONLY make videos about their most hated thing in the world, Kpop. Really? Out of five videos a week, THREE are NOTHING to do with Kpop! But nope, Kpop is the devil.

Martina Rant Out

The point I’m getting at, is that if a Korean person went to Toronto to live for a year and they complained that Canadian music consists only of Justin Beiber, Macklemore, Maroon5, Chris Brown, and Taylor Swift…I’d be like, “but did you check out the bands playing on Queen Street?” Yes, ladies and gentleman, the most popular songs will be blasted in the mall or at major retail chains, while the smaller indie shops will play whatever music they damn right feel like. It’s the same for small indie chains in Korea. That’s where we hear indie music, both Korean and international! A couple days ago we were eating chicken at a funky little shop in Hongdae and we heard Sigur Rós, Radiohead, Groove Armada being blasted! Blew our minds.

That was followed up by a coffee shop with a really adorable Korean girl working behind the counter blasting “Guess who’s back in the m*therf*ckin house with a fat d*ck for your m*therf*ckin mouth”. Perhaps she personally loves Snoop Dogg’s “Ain’t No Fun” but she seemed quite taken aback by Simon thrusting around the coffee shop singing along happily. Yes, he knows all the words to that song. Oooooh my.

So, yeah! I hope that kinda answers the question. We can’t really say what’s the actual percentage of people in Korea that like Kpop. All we can say is that we hear Kpop everywhere as do most everyone else who goes outside of their own homes, but we definitely barely know anyone who’s an actual fan of the genre. I’m sure they exist: we just don’t have the best of luck in finding many people with similar tastes to ours :( Except you Angelina! You’re the best! Group hug!

Side note: umm…we’ll just put this link here at the bottom, if anyone wants to click it. We don’t think we have much of a chance of winning since we’re up against YouTube giants, but let’s David the sh*t out of them! Get it? David…and..Goliath…cough…

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  1. LilLady

    My two cents on Kpop.I enjoy listening to some kpop songs too,to be particular songs of EXO,few songs of Crayon pop,2ne1,Bigbang, NCA and MIB,Lip Service.The beats and melody of their songs are catchy and at the same time I like the dance steps. Koreans are very creative which is very obvious when it comes to fashion and concepts of their MVs or even in movies and variety shows.But let me just talked about Kpop.I’m amazed by the group EXO because of their concept as a group. Twelve members with “powers”,add to that their respective symbols and their very catchy MVs and dance steps.But here’s a thing, I’m a 1990s baby and grow up with old school bands like a1,Westlife, NSYNC, HANSON,BSB,911,PLUS ONE, SPICE GIRL,GIRL THING,STEPS and more. These Kpop idols are just like those 90s band it’s just that the former are the trends for youngsters now. Honestly, though K-idols are more hardworking,in a sense they practice for many years before debut,I still find Western bands more passionate when it comes to music. Some of the 90s bands I used to admire create their own songs.I do agree there are many Korean singers who are a lot better (music wise) than some K-idols, as you’ve mentioned Indie musicians.One Korean singer I admire is Ali.One thing I don’t really like about some idols are some of ‘em are more concerned about their image or physical appearance.Say for example most girlbands would hide their face saying they don’t have make up or what have they.I respect the fact that they are celebs and koreans really cares a lot about their looks but still too much is unattractive.One reason I’m not also into kpop girlbands.Well,maybe because also of my type of music.If a girlband has a feel of Spice girls or Girl thing or have songs which are like that of Avril Lavigne then I might be a fan.I can’t deny many Kpop songs have catchy beats and dance steps and nice fashion sense but 5-10 years from now trends are gonna change and so are those preteens and teens or even teens at heart will prolly grow up and so as their type of music will change,maybe even their type of artists. Kpop idols who really have natural talents and are really passionate about it will for sure last long when it comes to popularity or whatever.

  2. I’m a Korean, and I think that this article is very precise.

    Aside from that, personally, I listen to quite a lot of Korean and American(or rather, spoken-in-English) Hip Hop and rock music.
    I don’t have many Kpop idol songs in my smartphone. Just a few, very popular idol songs suffice. I’m not a fan of a Kpop girl groups or boy bands. I do like Leessang, the hiphop duo, but I am not a big fan of them.

    Anyway, just please note that Koreans are not really fanatics about KPOP idols; even many youngsters are not.

  3. lady_kire

    My perspective on Kpop has changed over the years. I was introduced through DBSK and was hooked. I also thought it was the best thing ever. Now, I do still like DBSK and JYJ. Over time, I’ve found other songs by other artists. But, I’m not super attracted to these other artists. I have them on my iphone, but it’s because it sounds good. I know there’s all these rookie grops and new bands, but I honestly don’t care about 99% of them. I have friends who have a bunch of bands that have popped up in the few years. But, I feel like the odd one that still likes DBSK… I do enjoy BAP and EXO, but I don’t fangirl about them as much as DBSK. Also, with all these Kpop groups, I honestly can’t remember all their names. I don’t have time to figure out who’s who and who’s the maknae or the leader. I don’t care. Just make a good song.

    My bf has become more aware of Kpop. He doesn’t love it as much as me, but he does like a few songs here and there. He likes anything that sounds good.

  4. I have no idea why people rant about Kpop so much. A teacher of mine included Kpop as a threat to the children being religious like….I felt so offended. I only laugh it off but every time I look at the poster with SHINEE’s pic (my favorite group) at the back, I just… hm :( fine, say anything you want. I love God and she doesn’t have any right to judge anyway.

  5. “Did Super Junior because I naughty naughty with your mother?” (Spit-take) I love you Martina!!!

  6. so freakin true! if you don’t like it..don’t force it..don’t ever think that K-pop is a trend and to be trendy and whatever you force yourself to it. that is not it..if you like what you hear then you like it and if not just listen to other music then! and don’t ever try to judge others that like it because we all are hella different okeyh! XD

  7. My Korean friends always told me, that I knew KPOP better than them.

  8. My Questions: With the establishment of the new EYK Studio and the opportunity to host celebrities/entertainers, have you discussed or have a plan to deal with sasaengs or anti-fans? As the studio’s existence and notoriety grow, will you have to employ your own EYK security? I know the internet can be a harsh mistress to deal with sometimes, but has your own rise in fame and notoriety lead to any scary instances while you both are out and about, either filming or just walking through town? I’m not talking regular fans or people who recognize you, I’m talking the type where you felt for your safety?

    Just the possibility of the lunatic fringe makes me scared for you all at the studio, let alone actually having them up close and personal. I would hate to see a JYJ type sasaeng incidents happen at EYK studio door step, while you are trying to have, for example, Junsu or hell, Shinee, over for an interview. :(

  9. Do you guys watch English drama like Big Bang Theory, How I Met Your Mother, 2 Broke Girls, NCIS in Korea?

  10. I have been here for six months now, and my interest in k-pop has ebbed and flowed. I am mostly interested in it to connect with my students, but the constant replay on Mnet drives me crazy sometimes. Solution: TURN OFF Mnet. Come on waygookins, you live in Korea, there are much more interesting things to complain about. However! While my husband and I were in a coffee shop last week, freakin BONE THUGS came on the speakers! Then it was “The Informer,” and “Don’t go chasin’ waterfalls,” so, unexpected things happen.

  11. So what you’re saying is… Korean record companies should expand their international marketing to these passionate K-pop starved fans in other countries? Did you hear that SM?! YG?! TS?! JYP?! Cube?! My wallet suddenly feels kinda heavy…

  12. How popular are korean Dramas to the general public there? Is it super exciting like how it is for us international fans to wait and see each episodes every week? How is it perceived there?

  13. I swear kpop and jpop music videos are the only international music videos on youtube where the majority of the comments are in English. I’ve seen French, Italian, Russian and Polish music videos and every comment is in their respective language xD
    Now that my favourite radio show has ended I don’t listen to the latest music anymore. And I think the only reason I know about all the rookie groups and every kpop song is because I watch the music shows. I actually went through a phase last year of not bothering to watch the music shows throughout the summer and I didn’t know about anything new to do with kpop. Only about 2NE1 cos I follow them on Facebook and what you review for kpop music mondays.

  14. I think the thing with following the bands of your generation applies to most people. I myself only follow bands I really got into at the beginning (talking about non-kpop). And with so many groups debuting in korea, it must be hard to keep up even if you were a kpop fan. I think the popular music industry works almost the same way as anywhere else, kpop just gets blown up because it’s gotten recognition in other countries. I’m rather curious at what groups you guys were talking about but I’ll let it go hahaha!

  15. I watched this video yesterday and today I wake up to the news of Sistar’s stint on Mnet’s School of Rock where they ended up visiting middle to high school students and holding surprise performances for them. All of the students didn’t show a
    response and this caused the SISTAR embarrassment and heartache, as one can imagine. They ended up crying which isn’t very nice.

    I wonder do Kpop Production Companies understand how popular or unpopular Kpop is in Korea?

  16. XD i love the part when you say you never hear SJ n a Club XD

  17. OMG, B.A.P have new song coming out soon called Rain Sound :) I am so happy !!

  18. Thanks for making this TL;DR because this is something I’ve been wondering about, too, and this gives me much wanted perspective! I don’t know why but it makes me feel so much more comfortable to know where everyone else stands on Kpop (specifically the general Korean public!). I see so many huge fans on YouTube and on the internet, so it’s hard to gauge how Kpop actually is in the real world. And when I see super super passionate comments such as fanwarring comments, I get a wonky unbalanced perspective of kpop. Like, that’s what I see, but I know realistically that cannot be the case for everyone, so I’m not sure what to think. I don’t know how to explain it, but Kpop seems a lot more normal/realistic now (as in I can realistically relate it to popular music in my own country and not as some super-loved-by-everyone-and-hated-by-others fantasy genre) now that I know how it’s viewed in its own country. I think that’s why this TL;DR gives me comfort! I mean, I’m not happy because I want kpop to be less successful, I’m just happy to understand better how Kpop is viewed realistically? I hope I’m making sense. Anyway, thank you! haha

    Oh, and when you wrote that people your age often don’t know everyone in SNSD – I’m glad you said that because when you said in your video that you wouldn’t give examples, I was really curious!! I like SNSD, don’t get me wrong (I’m no hater), but I’m just glad you said an example b/c I was so curious!!

    • … A few days ago a Korean Actor, Won Bin was in a fake scandal with an SNSD member, I think Sooyoung and I thought it was kinda hilarious that his company’s response was that he didn’t even know who she was. Many fans seemed to be insulted by it, but it made all sorts of sense to me. He might know of SNSD and may have heard their music but that doesn’t mean that he knows who each of them are individually.

      • She laughed as well because she wasn’t all that familiar with him either.

      • I did read about that! I can see that now after this TL;DR. They are a group, so I can see how people would know them as a group, but not really individually. But I’m always kinda skeptical about those articles and about responses from companies. Since they have to be really careful of the artists’ representation in the media, how fans perceive them, and since they want to get good publicity for their artists, I’m just never sure how much is truth and not. I’m NOT saying that is the case here with sooyoung and won bin, don’t get me wrong! I’m just saying all of this is public relations, and none of us actually know these people, so who knows anything? I just question stuff. I’m probably being a bit paranoid though :P. Also, a part of me thinks that shouldn’t people in entertainment kinda know other people from entertainment? But like simon and martina (and like you and I agreed), they are famous as a group, and even then, they aren’t well known by everyone. It’s like popular music in our own country! (well, I mean that is what I gather from all of this, at least)

  19. I’ve been channeling my inner fangirl ever since I landed back in November and my oh my ahha
    I’ve met several fans in their 20s (and I only friend 20+ fans on Twitter….lol) so a lot of fans are in college, are working, and are even mothers.
    I’ve been listening to Infinite so much and with the whole sungkyu solo thing…my mom’s become a fan! LOL
    She asked me to change her ringtone to “I Need You” by Sungkyu and sings along whenever I play it in the car….
    50s Inspirit coming your way! haha


  21. I bow to the almighty Spudgy befor I ask my question, cause… Well, he rules everything, pretty much! But! Since I will soon start university in US and am looking at taking international studies, could you explain something about how universities are in Korea? Like, GPA and how to apply? :) Hugs!

  22. you make us want to go to korea,is better than any advertising that Korea could do. the government should PAY you

  23. what are sports like in korea? we have a lot of sports bars in america and people always get together for the super bowl…are there any big events like that?

  24. I was talking to a Korean foreign exchange student about k-dramas and many of the ones that are popular with the i-fandom (you’re beautiful and the like) aren’t really popular with the early 20′s crowd. The only ones they seemed to recognize were pasta and some of the newer ones. I didn’t have the heart to ask about what kpop groups are popular.

    • It seems to me that the dramas that have low ratings in Korea have a huge international fan base. I’m not sure if Faith did super good out there, but I know the i-fandom is ridiculously huge.

      • The cable dramas are really popular I’ve heard. I didn’t ask about Faith but since the girls I hang out with have been living in the US for a little over a year now they might not know.

        • missylalawhite

          Isn’t TvN a cable network? If so then that’s why Shut Up! Flower Boy Band, Boys Over Flowers and such have been popular. Right they’re airing Flower Boy Next Door. They also had The 3rd Hospital which was good.
          Faith is my ultimate favorite drama.

  25. i always learn new things here… not always necessarily good things… but interesting all the same… though sometimes I wish my curiosity didn’t so often run away from me… So thanks Martina… I didn’t know what tea bagging meant… and so I looked it up… yeah… I don’t want that particular image running through my mind right now as I try to get back to studying pathology…. I still <3 ya though!

  26. You were mentioning the blue frames and that you were trying to come up with an idea of what to do with them. I thought it would be really neat if every time that you had a k-pop group visit the studio for an interview, you would have them sign their signatures in the frames (more than one per frame of course). It would be a sort of “Wall of Kimchi” so to speak. what do you think?

  27. Is it weird that every time I read your summary I picture Martina narrating it?! who writes them most of the time, Simon or Martina? Anyway, I just wanted to thank you for introducing me to K-pop and K-indie music! It’s AWESOME!!! Both are very artsy and entertaining. It’s frustrating how expats/immigrants go to a foreign country and hate the food, the music, the people, etc Why leave your homeland in the first place, and if you were forced, learn to LOVE your new home! Of course you guise have done the opposite and shared your experiences and love with the rest of the world :)

    • I believe that whoever is not working on the video or uploading the video types up the post. But it is completely random. I still can’t tell which of them I am speaking to over emails soo… Yep. Good luck trying to figure it out.

  28. Oh Martina and Simon, you guys are so funny…you wouldn’t be found murdered 5 days later…that would be too obvious =)) muhahahahaha…lol I joke. Super Junior!!!

  29. “Did YJP tea bag you?” Oh my God! LOL

  30. Very Very interesting TL;DR! I troll this site as one of many I have discovered over the past year or so, due to my discovery of Kdrama and, ergo, my research into all things Korean…for the moment. My friends and family firmly believe I have lost my mind and am ready for that nursing home. Yes, I am in THAT age group. My music of choice is firmly in the heavy metal/punk metal/etc genre, played at ear splitting, tinitus causing volume. Now you guys have introduced me to a form of music that, by all rights, given my age and music preference, I should detest…but, I don’t!!:) Granted, much of my enjoyment of this music has to do with the stunning dance routines and spectacular videos, but, without the song and the beat to go with that, they would still be unable to grab my attention as they have. I have found ones that I literally laugh out loud at/with and ones that made me shed actual tears. I don’t understand the ‘hate’ mentality. Unless you have an elitist agenda, there is no need for that. Everyone has different tastes in music and ‘hating’ on someone else’s is just STUPID. But I wanted to thank you for opening my eyes and my mind to a different kind of music. How long it will hold my interest, I don’t know. But, for now, I’m a fan! And, God help me, I can recognize and name all the members of Big Bang now, as well as TVXQ/JYJ…and know the story behind that too! :( AND…I miss SS501. I am doomed and ashamed. ;(

    • Lol. Welcome to the madhouse. I am happy to hear that older people are not ashamed of their Kpop love. Makes me wonder how many Nasties there are who are over the age of 30, 40 or 50.

      • I have to say I do hide it from my friends. ;) They cannot be convinced. Too closed minded, so I don’t even try. My son thinks his mother has gone to the dark side, but tolerates my glee whenever I discover a new video I ‘must’ share. I know he never clicks on them tho :(. Little snot. Last summer he came home for a visit and said Hey mom, I got a video Chris (his Chinese friend) sent me that he said to show you! It was Psy…I’d seen it weeks earlier! HaHA!!! So there! It might be fun to test your demographics someday…. when “you have nothing better to do!!!” Double/triple HA!

  31. Two reasons why I listed to KPop:

    1. I like the sound
    2. I don’t have to listen to lyrics that annoy me.

    I would like more top 40 songs in the US if I didn’t have to listen (and understand) what they are singing about.

    I don’t speak Korean, so I don’t have that problem with KPop.

    I also like bubble gum pop because the lyrics are often silly or goofy.

  32. I came to find k-pop after looking for Drama OST’s and fell in love with it and just as quickly began to be very selective about what songs I listen to. Im 25, so my taste ranges between k-indie, Urban Zakkapa,Busker Busker and I forgot the names of the other bands to Shinhwa, Dj Doc, 2NE1, Big Bang, Sistar,K.Will, Nell, Secret, Super Junior and the like – Rookie music has not been as good, except for a few songs, Mama, History, Face and stuff – But I feel like their songs are nowhere near the level of their seniors. That being said, I hate it when people think because I listen to k-pop, I dont listen to anything else?!! Its a common misconception but ugh, it pissed me off. I listen to all kinds of music and people are surprised whenever I recognize a western song or something >>

    • OMG Thank You!! I’m 23 and started listening to K-pop after seeing SNSD on Live! With Kelly last year. It started with them then I began following other groups, though they’re still my favorite lol I love SISTAR, 2NE1, K. Will, KARA, T-ara and such. I like a few rookies like Ailee, AOA, & SKarf. But I had an argument with someone who swore I was “disregarding my race” because I listen to K-pop(I’m Black btw), but it’s not that case. He thinks that’s all I listen to because that’s what I just happen to be playing whenever he sees me. I have a wide variety of taste in music, I really love Country music & old school R&B. He became shocked when I mentioned something about Aaliyah, I was like yes I know who people are lol I am in the same boat as you, people think that I have no idea who many American singers are because of my love for K-pop.

      • Exactly! lets share the pain of misunderstandings! Lol. I dont like it either when I am watching korean shows or whatever, my family thinks thats all I do the whole day because when I come from work I enjoy some down-time watching k-stuff xD. Ugh.

        • missylalawhite

          I actually study for half of the day, but people think all I ever watch are k-dramas since that’s what they see when they walk in my room. I watch US shows as well, one of my favorites just came back on.
          Lol I’m glad to know someone else is misunderstood.

        • michiehaha87

          Wow, yeah. Im not glad cause its no fun, but I know what you mean! lets be best friends forever! hahahahahahaha

        • missylalawhite

          Best Friends Bonded by the pain of misunderstandings haha

        • michiehaha87

          Lmao! yus! XD

  33. Dang, I wanted to vote you for shorty award but I don’t use twitter :(. Sorry guys even my love for you can’t make me get twitter. What a jip they only let you tweet votes!

  34. I love you guys, but you’re cutting the vid like every few seconds… Who cares if u make a mistake while filming? That’s what makes it so fun!!!!!!!!!

  35. Wait, Macklemore is popular now? Living in Seattle, surrounded by militant hipsters I thought he was just popular around these parts.

  36. I have kind of a weird question. I have read that many kpop idols were scouted on the streets and asked to audition because of their looks. This really shocked me and I thought it seemed kind of risky. Not sure about Canada, but I feel if someone in the U.S. were to do that, pick someone off the street based on their appearance, things wouldn’t work out that well. As a good population of the people here are not that great at dancing or singing, using American Idol as an example of the mass number of people who are not great singers. So in your experience, are Koreans on average just better singers and dancers than people in other countries? I have also watched a lot of break dancing competitions and the crews from South Korea usually place very high or win the whole thing. Or do you think it is purely because of the rigorous training that companies put their trainees though? Or because Koreans are really hard workers?


  37. Poop….I want to vote for you guys…but I don’t have a twitter…..this sucks….


    LOL jk. But thank you guys so much for answering my question! :D

    (this is from my allkpop/discus account)

  39. I think i’m a much bigger Simon&Martina Fan (A Nasty :b ) Then I am like a Baby (B.A.P.), or VIP (BIGBANG)… Hehe. Although I will be a die-hard BlackJack. (2NE1. Just one of those groups that is like amazing to you…)

  40. This whole video and post made me so happy. I’m an Entertainment Industry Business major, which basically is the music business, and when people ask me why I want to do music internationally I tell them because the music scene is so different outside of the States. People then rebuttle to me about wanting to be in the K-Pop industry, and that’s not it at all. People see a country by the one artist or group of artists that defines them and then refuse to look below the surface to all the other amazing qualities that the industry has in that specific area. Basically I just want to say thank you for making this video, not only as a future spectator in the industry, but as a K-Pop fan too. It gives both sides because a lot of K-Pop fans are international ones that live on the internet and are always listening to new music, but it also shows that there all other music scenes and gives hope to those who aren’t into Pop music. Thanks a lot!!!

  41. Another TLDR question:
    You mention how much you enjoy Korean Dramas. Just wondering do you need to watch with English subtitles to get the full storyline? Which is is more difficult; speaking, interpreting, reading or writing Korean? Thanks guys….

  42. Okay, is it just me, or did EYK use WAY too many sound effects in this TL,DR. Like seriously, this was worse than most Kpop videos with all those annoying sound effects. It got to the point where it was really distracting from the actual information they were trying to convey and it seemed super unnecessary and overdone. Sorry if I upset anyone, but that’s just my opinion. :[

  43. Hello simon and martina !

    I wanted to know does korean channels broadcast a lot of foreign movies, series or programs. And if it’s the case, how korean people react to them ?

  44. “Did JYP sneak into your house at night, tea bag you, and post the pictures to facebook?” Worse. He sneaked into my dream. Seriously, I had a dream last night that I was at some red carpet with my parents and then JYP with some other people came to us. I wanted to let my mom know who he is so I leaned towards her and whispered “JAY WHY PEE” and then she whispered “JAY WHY PEE” to JYP and he showed her a thumb up.
    Too much kpop…

  45. Ok, I like Kpop, but, I am so confused with it. Rookie groups? Senior Groups? Bands seems to reform with new members, Eg Exid.. They have school where the train and then graduate to Kpop. Plastic surgery, you should a mini series on the history/structure of Kpop. :)

    • It’s simple: Agencies audition or scout people on the streets, once that person becomes accepted they are a trainee of that company. Most idols train for years, Jessica from SNSD trained for 7 years before her debut. The trainees are usually trained in acting, singing, dancing, & language if that person isn’t from Korea and doesn’t know it. I know SM sends some of their trainees to other countries to learn another language. They sent Siwon & Hyoyeon to China to learn Chinese, Sooyoung is fluent in Japanese after spending some time there. Once the company feels that certain trainees are ready they’ll prepare them for debut by leaving them solo or putting them in a group, but that can be a long process in it’s own. I know miss A went through a few changes as well as SNSD(who was up to 12 members at one point). But note that many trainees drop out due to the hard work & time it takes to do that, they don’t have childhoods since many become trainees as young as 10. Plus, there is not guarantee you will even debut in a group or find success.
      Rookie groups are newer acts, like Exid is a rookie group as is GLAM & AOA. Groups like SNSD and Super Junior are considered Senior groups because they’ve been out for a few years, much longer than many groups that are out now. SNSD has been out for 5 years and SuJu for 7 years. BoA has been out since 2001 so she’s a senior to many artists as well as Lee Hyori, who is also a sunbae to artists like Ailee.
      Sorry for the long answer lol

      • I was wondering what happens if someone is your age sunbae but your industry hoobae. Or vice versa. How do you address them?

        • missylalawhite

          If someone is older than you, but is your hoobae in the industry it’s a personal choice how you address them in private. Victoria from f(x) is older than anyone in SNSD(she was born in ’87), but they’re her sunbaes due to them debuting before her. I know on tv or something she has to address them formally due to them being her sunbaes. I don’t think that they really mind that much since she’s older, they would call her Unnie out of respect because of her age.
          If someone is younger than you, but they’re your sunbae is all a matter of choice that you two decide. I know in public that person would still say ‘such & such sunbaenim’ out of respect. Example: Yonghwa is older than Seohyun, but she’s his sunbae because she debuted before he did. She uses formal speech due to his age & she doesn’t mind him not using formality with her because he is older than her. I just know he’s always referred to SNSD as a whole as sunbaes, even though he’s older than a few of them.
          I know that the K-industry doesn’t take it lightly when a hoobae doesn’t bow or greet their sunbaes with respect, no matter what your age difference may be.

  46. PunkyPrincess92

    i actually wasn’t surprised that Busker Busker won cos i knew they were huge there
    …..how?…..i don’t know….maybe you guys said it before!
    i don’t know anything about rookie groups and i can’t even be bothered to check them our cos there are so many!! i’ve only listened to BAP and EXO!! but i don’t fangirl over them!!

    oh my gosh Martina i’m so with you on the hating kpop thing!!!!
    why must people HATE it!!!?? and i ask the same thing!! (sorta) but i usually say something along the lines of ‘did they hurt you in any way?’ or ‘ did they punch you in the face?’ like seriosuly doesn’t make sense how much hate people have towards kpop!!! like why so negative in life!!!

    oh i love hearing a deep voiced fanboy (fanman?) shout out a SHINee members name!!!

    CONGRATS on getting nominated!!!

  47. Thank you Martina!! I completely agree with you on the whole rant thing! I know one person who, whenever I talk about K-Pop with a friend, would start saying how much she thinks the groups suck and how they can’t sing and blah blah blah. And yet, she has never listened to any K-Pop songs.Then she would complain about how she felt left out of the conversation, even though I’d try to include her without her having to actually hear the song. It seems like people are incredibly childish when it comes to what type of music others listen to. In my mind, if you like the song then great! If you don’t then you don’t. But to actually say that a certain genre sucks without ever listening to it makes it seem as though … I don’t know… really immature. It’s like at least listen to a few songs before speaking about how much the genre sucks.


  49. Well, my questions might be really silly to ask or seem stupid but here they go:

    1. Firstly, I’m from Spain and wherever I’ve travelled, I’ve felt differences with my country that really surprise me (as a normal living thing for me). i’d like to know if you guys drink water directly from the kitchen sink?. In my country most people drink from there because the water is well treated and such, but when I moved to the States I fell ill for a week because I drank from there. (I also had this thing with the milk being put on a cupboard and a week after we put it there -in spain we keep or non used and non opened milk bricks on cupboards- it was totally fermented, yeah, we were all ok cool how’s gonna eat all the cereals now?)
    Oh and also, I know that Japan has really crazy schedules for picking up garbage and how you have to recycle. Is it the same there? I’d totally imagine ajumas being all on you like “YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THAT CUP BOY!!”

    2. This is something I’ve had in mind for a while, but in my country the rockabilly scene, including swing and all the likes is just growing at the moment with not many people knowing or really following the scene. I love old jazz and 40s music but I’m usually stuck with all those electro places. HOWEVER, I know that the rest of the world isn’t like that (I mean, even Japan has a really big rockabilly and rock and roll history contrary to what one would think – Ska is also fairly easy to encounter-) could you please give out some information about how those things are in Korea? I know it might be really difficult, but i’d love to hit some good clubs when I get there :]

    Thank you very much and sorry for this lengthy message!

    - San, 21.

    • I’ve always heard when you visit another country you shouldn’t drink water from the tap, at least not until your body gets used to the diseases in the country. But I’m curious about the milk thing. You don’t put milk in the fridge right away in Spain? I know our milk in the USA will go bad really quick if you don’t keep it in the fridge so I’m curious how they do that in Spain. We do have some little milk containers, like ones meant for little kids to drink, that don’t have to be refrigerated right away. But our big cartons absolutely do need to or they’ll go bad.

      • skully

        here in spain you can buy “fresh” milk wich has to be in the fridge and last like 2 days or so and you can buy treated milk in cartons (pasteurized and sterilized or something like that) that last like a lot of months (don’t know like 4 to 6 or so) and while they’re closed they don’t need to be refrigerated. most people buy the last one cause it’s a lot cheaper (sorry for the eglish)

      • Well, we buy it “pasteurized” (i don’t know if that is the right word in English), so it’s more or less like the milk you buy for kids. I don’t think we have any other kind in here, at least I haven’t seen anything like those 5L tanks you have over there hahaha. When can keep it wherever it’s cool and dry if it’s not open. As soon as we open the bottles we have to put them in the fridge to keep it from turning sour and bad.

        And yeah, it was careless from me to drink the water before I got used to the country as so, but oh well, learning from trial and error I suppose!

    • skully

      Ambos dijeron en un video anterior (no recuerdo ahora cual) que no se puede beber del grifo en corea. y sobre lo de beber del grifo en españa no es del todo cierto… yo soy de canarias y por lo menos en gran canaria no se puede y ahora que estoy estudiando en valladolid la verdada es que mucha gente aqui tampoco bebe del grifo por que la verdad esque muchas veces sabe mal e incluso le sienta mal a algunos.

      • ah! perdón por preguntar algo que ya se sabe, lo siento D:
        Y no sé, en toda Castilla hasta donde yo puedo leer todo el mundo que conozco bebe del grifo y también he estado en Barcelona y más sitios del norte y más de lo mismo. Pero como tú dices puede ser por zonas o incluso por preferencias.
        A lo mejor mi estómago ya está hecho a prueba de bombas también, gracias por el comentario :]

        • skully

          buf no te preocupes yo me acuerdo porque lo vi hace poco y porque sale en algunos programas (como wgm y running man) y me llamó la atención… ;)

          La verdad es que a mi tambien me extrañó saber que no se bebe del grifo en toda la peninsula. suponía que nosotros en canarias eramos los únicos (aunque creo que en tenerife si se bebe del grifo)

  50. How does the general Korean public feel about KDrama? Is it similar to KPop in the sense that it’s very popular with international fans and only a certain group of Koreans? Or does it have more widespread popularity?There seem to be a lot of KPop idols in KDramas.

  51. I now have a mental image of JYP teabagging while whispering “JYP”.

    but all jokes aside, I love kpop but I also love other types of music. I’m often told that my music taste is weird because I can go from listening to Puccini’s Madama Butterfly, to Fleet Foxes, Neon Indian, and the occasional blasting of ABBA.

  52. I bet that Martina picked T.O.P for the picture. :P Oh Martina I bet you love T.O.P SOO much.

  53. So since K-pop isn’t super popular with the Korean general public, what kind of music is?

  54. unicornsgalaxy

    Holy cats! I haven’t even watched the video cause I should be working *ahem! yes Boss this is…umm research? Well, I know that Kpop technically doesn’t have anything to do with my job but you never know if one of B.A.P would decided to come to college here…”

    Oh where was I? Oh yeah I haven’t watched the video yet but just the post had me literally choking on laughter (I gotta stop eating while reading your posts!).

    “Did JYP sneak into your house at night, tea bag you, and post the pictures to facebook? Did 2NE1 take a huge dump in your coffee? Did Big Bang personally hack into your ipod and add their music? Did Super Junior because I naughty naughty with your mother?” cracked me up and was what caused me to choke. That and my mind’s picture of Simon dancing around in a cute little coffee shop to Snoop Dogg and I was gone!

    I’ll be back after I get home and watch the video.

  55. haha!! u guise are 1st and 2nd for nastiness in the Shorty Awards xD

  56. Thank you, the world needed this. It’s like every other culture in that aspect. Tickles your fancy??? LMFAO best thing I’ve ever heard. What K-Indie would you recommend?

  57. This tl;dr reminded me of a…not so cool experience I had, about a year ago. Someone started shouting at me, saying I was a ”stupid girl who has selfesteem problem” and that I was using Kpop as porno material… I mean, c’mon, I’m a 20 year young adult who seeks culture in every form, how dear you say that to me! -__-’ Unfortunatly, I started to get afraid to listen kpop in public…but, hey! On a brigther side, Psy’s Gangam Style kind of changed it. ^^

    My question is: what’s the average age of the Nasties? Since you said kpop fans in Korea were mostly young, I started to wonder about international fans and your fanclub. :D

    • From what I have seen Nasties range widely in ages but it seems that most of them are late teens to early 20s with a few who are older. It is funny how I have to categorize myself into the older category. I still feel young. There are also people who may be parents or even grandparents who watch EYK as a family.

    • well I’m exactly between 20 & 30 ^_^ and my personal kpop band that I’m a fan of is… drumroll please…. Super Junior! hahahahaha and mostly because of their wackiness… especially when they first started out… Full House, Explorers of the Human Body, etc… they were so crazy they seemed to be extremely good at ruining their idol image and being their random selves and then my next fave group became Big Bang and mostly because I LOVED their song Haru Haru… What I like about both groups is that they’re mostly near my age or in SJ’s case I can call some of them Oppas which in the newer groups I definitely can’t!

      • Haha! Thanks a lot for your answer! :D I totally understand why you love both group, they are so ”spesher”, it’s hilarious to see them! XD

  58. you should come to sweden, we have a club that plays only kpop~~~

    question: martina mentioned that korean people listen to international music: any particular kind? is it the “top 40″ or are there any obscure bands that get played a lot in korea (maybe kinda sorta like rookies being well-known to the “internet community” of kpop, even though they aren’t really that popular)

  59. “Did Super Junior because I naughty naughty with your mother?”

    WHY U SO FUNNY XD i laughed so much that i scared my cat :’)

    i knew that not everybody is a dedicated kpop fans among foreigners (and native population of course) but i didn’t know that some hate it so much :s and of course kpop is not the unique kind of music -__-” there are also great hip hop stages, soul and jazz singers, rock bands…

    • In general I find no matter where you go there is a form of music that people ‘ hate’. In the West many people hate modern pop music, rap and hip hop and Country and Western. Hilarious fact, in my country, which is in the Caribbean, Country and Western is really popular with people my parent’s age and Christmas is not Christmas unless the radio stations play Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers Christmas album.

  60. thisisjustforfunval

    In my case it could be said I listen to kpop instead of Top 40 here in the States. I’m not a fan of popular music here, I strongly dislike the remotely superficiality of it. Talk of hoes, bling, alcohol and sex (I only allow bling/swag from GD). Learning about Kpop has lead me to appreciate how hard those artist work to pursue their dreams and continue to work for it not expecting it to just be handed to them. They appear more humble.

    I love the peppy up beat feel of kpop, love the ballad sounds of OST’s and the overall fun of it. Truth though, I only have maybe ten kpop groups I really like, love would be five, then a scattering of random songs I like. My real genre of music is indie rock, alternative 90′s music, a smattering of country/folk music, with a giant helping of Josh Groban. My taste is a hodgepodge, and I truthfully have always expecting more people to be that way, outside of the younger generation who is still learning their footing in the music world.

    • I agree. After I started listening and began following many artists I noticed how they’re always talking about their fans and appreciate what they give them as gifts. I’ve never really seen any artist out here who would take food and blankets and stuff from their fans with such appreciation. Many people here in the States want things handed to them & don’t usually have to struggle too hard to become a singer. I’ve seen how hard it is for a K-pop idol to even become an idol. They waste away half of their childhood to train in order to be the best singer/dancer/MC/actress that they can be because that’s their dream.
      I listen to 80s/90s R&B, Country(love me some Miranda Lambert & Carrie Underwood), some pop(I like Katy Perry & Demi Lovato) as well as K-pop. Though people think all I do is listen to K-pop when I love all types of music if I like it.
      I don’t know many Top 40 artists here in the States, but that’s because I don’t find most of it interesting.

  61. i became award about kpop not being as big as i thought it was around 08. so this is not surprising to me.

    i voted for u guys. i hope u guys win.^^

  62. thisisjustforfunval

    I love the way you compare kpop to the top 40′s in North America…or well anywhere. You hear it shopping, you might like some, but not everyone knows everything about it other than possibly teenagers. I’m sure people looking at English popular music think the same way, that we all love Beebs…and we don’t. I don’t personally know anyone who does.

    Honestly, I’ve recently made a Korean friend and I get the feeling from her the she doesn’t know kpop. She
    knows who Big Bang and DBSK are, but not much else. She knows K.Will, but I personally don’t see him as kpop, even if kpop introduced me to him. She loves OST’s and
    musicals, she’s closer to 40, which might explain it. I’m personally in my early 30′s.

    I have a kpop love, but in all honesty it is for a select few bands/singers that I’ve found an attachment to and took the time to learn about. Outside of that my music focus is indie rock, alternative and a lot of 90′s music, since that was the music I listened to when I was younger. I’m not a fan of current American pop music, but I love the peepy more danceable not about hoes, alcohol or bling kpop music (I make the bling exception for GD). Kpop is fun, and sometime you just need some fun music to chase the grumpies away.

  63. Everyone kind of wants to live in their own thoughts and fantasies of how they want to perceive Korea without actually having been there. Thanks for clearing that up.

  64. Martina’s rant is my rant about pop music in general. I have an unabashed love of everything pop and to see people turn their noses up to it in such a nasty way is really irritating. Yes, you may not like this kind of music but that does not give you permission to completely bash/dismiss it. All music has its value, regardless of how “manufactured” it is.

  65. What I’m wondering about is, in some variety shows – especially if they take place in an open setting like the city center – the people there treat the K-pop idols like the greatest symbol of the Korean culture and international influcene, simply like a national treasure. If the K-pop-loving community in Korea is not even that big how can they (be comfortable to) keep up this image?

  66. i wouldnt mind if BB personally hacked my ipod and put in their music (; lol anyway! ah! you guys cant find those elusive kpop fans either? and let alone in korea! where i live, i know (for sure now after seeing thousands of them at a BB concert) that kpop fans my age exist here but outside of a concert or something of the likes, they vanish T.T this one time while in college i was walking to my class and it was just about to start when i hear someone phone go off. their ringtone was 2PM – Ill Be Back! i couldnt leave the class cuz it had started v.v it would be insanely amazing if i could befriend a fellow fan here in my city. let me tell you when i say that listening to Jrock since 2003 then transitioning to Kpop in 2010, it sucks not being able to blast your favorite songs while driving with friends or a least talk to them about music and knowing they know what the heck youre talking about (‘: SOMEDAY DAMMIT!

  67. Sometimes I feel glad not understanding a language while listening to a song. The catchy melody itself is enough to hook me on without needing to comprehend what the lyric means. Not only for Korean but also English songs since I’m not an Eng speaker. I was really thankful for not knowing the title, the lyric or even the singer of an English song I listened to when I was in the KINDERGARTEN coz I only memorized the melody and unfortunately it had been unplayed for years. I finally realized what the song really was during EYKAs *cough*VengaBoys-Boom3x(ThankstoFuukoforpostingthelinkofoneoftheirsongs:p)*cough* and it had been my favorite song (If u look at the lyric, it’s totally inappropriate for kids. lol) coz I had an unforgettable memory with my r.i.p grandma. Love u nek. ;))

    My point is sometimes people like listening to a certain not-in-their-language-song just because they love how it sounds. Liking one song doesnt mean have to understand in what language it is written coz music is universal. Even jazz doesnt need any lyric at all for fully enjoying it. But when others (who know what the lyric means) make the lyric into action, those people (who just love the song but can’t speak its language) can be shocked. That’s why I think why the Korean girl was surprised by what Simon did at that shop. And I think it’s also because she is an Asian so she is more reserved related to the vulgar lyric.

    • I think you make a good point about not being able to understand the language. I think that’s a big reason why I like kpop but don’t listen to or like most of American pop. Actually knowing what the lyrics mean often affects my enjoyment of a song. Like Nu Abo. Although there have been a few times when it made me like the song, like Exo-K’s Mama. I couldn’t get over the Engrish, but then I looked up the English translation and was really surprised at how thoughtful and coherent the song is.

      • Yeah, that’s also my reason why I rarely look up the lyric (not only for Kpop but other genres as well) unless I really like the song. If knowing what the lyric means I can enjoy the song more, that’s good. But if it will make me less interested in that song, I better stay away from it.

  68. Why don’t you share the Shorty Awards link in more visible places? Your fans are super dedicated (and nasty) voters AND YOU KNOW IT!

  69. Lol I always have ideas for TL;DR questions but I feel like whenever I ask one they get lost in the slew of comments here and on youtube.

  70. I understand the reason why k-pop ins’t what international fans expect. We -k-pop fans- like the korean pop so we look forward
    for new releases and groups. But if I’m not interested, I won’t do it. I honestly don’t know any of the current argentinian bands and song, just because I don’t care. It’s not my style. Maybe I hear something in the mall but I don’t care. It’s the same. Just because is music from your own country doesn’t mean you gotta like it.
    Some k-pop fans might get “hurt” knowing that their favorite groups are not as popular as they expected. As for myself, I’m used to it, because I’m a fan of japanese idol group Morning Musume and it’s not popular anymore, so… I learned to deal with it.

    My experience with k-pop in Buenos Aires (Argentina):In my country some gay clubs play Super Junior (Mr Simple), 2NE1 (I am the best, oh my God, we all show our sassiness[?] with that sonh) Big Bang (Fantastic Baby) and… SNSD (Gee, yeah, I know, I know, that’s weird). And people dance to it. Some people love it. We found interesting new sounds from other countries aside from the typical club songs (which, of course, are played as well).
    I must say, maybe it’s because in Korea people relate k-pop with teenagers and in Argentina -although people in the “asian music fandom” like me agrees with that- we look for something new and special to dance and “darlo todo” -”give it all”- in the club.
    And I don’t count PSY because it’s too obvious.

    And PLEASE, tell us what are those groups you reviewed but korean people don’t know. PLEASE. We won’t hurt you. My guess is Boyfriend.

  71. Totally unrelated to the topic of the question.
    I absolutely died laughing when the ‘bonk bonk’ sound effect went off when Simon was thrusting along to Roly Poly.
    So funny. xD
    Love your sound effects. Very very well placed. xDD

    onto the subject: From my experience in Korea, I agree. Kpop is blasted everywhere on the streets. The people.. not as much into it. Which was surprising to me. I don’t know why I thought everyone loved kpop there. I’m such a derp-face. e_e;!

  72. I believe the thing with not being a really big fan of your own
    country’s music is all over the world. I for sure don’t really like my
    country’s music, ‘thus I search for something different (at least that’s
    how it sounds to my ears) and I do find it in K-Pop and USA markets. It
    actually wasn’t that surprising, but more like a realization how we can get easily confused with watching too much dramas (where, I believe, many things are exaggerated over the top. Not in every drama!), knowing only the view point we get from the Internet…

  73. KATHyphenTUN

    I always hated listening to one radio station cause it always played the same top 10 songs over… and over… and over…. (being at work for 8 hours and hearing the same song 10 times got me close to a breaking point..-__-). Then one day I heard them play PSY and I got so excited…. then was confused…. then was worried they were going to make me hate him too! :S…… (lol never happened ^.^ )

  74. TLDR Question: When did you guys become a fan of Kpop? Did you become a fan after or before you both got married? (Christine Phoenix, Arizona.)

  75. I think, it’s the same for every nation. I, for example, don’t know my native Russian music. Yes I know pretty much songs and singers, but listen mostly korean and american music.
    If somebody will show me a picture of a singer I can’t recognize him or her, the same for melody.
    It is normal for people not to know their own artists, ’cause they already live in this culture. But they want to know another, unknown culture, and try to learn it more detailed than his own culture.

  76. kpopfan123

    “We’re not just talking about the music being played outside of stores: we’re also talking about those godawful election trucks” we all encounter phonic polution… some, more than others = . = (don’t worry you’re not alone)

    “they’re just hating on the kpop genre and making no effort to step outside their personal music comfort bubble.” well that’s because there can’t be a world full of “light” wizards, there have to be dark wizards and muggles as well…

    Hope you’re ok and things have gotten better!

    *big hugs*


  77. Question! I’m not sure whether this will get noticed or even have thumbs up but oh well~ Anyways, people kept telling me NOT to listen to KPOP as for some reason it’s part of the illumanati which I really don’t believe. And what really intrigued me was that it was mainly big groups like for e.g. BB, GG and SJ that gave off that vibe. What your thoughts on this and has issues like this been risen up in South Korea? :)

    • kpopfan123

      So you’re saying that they said that kpop is a “purported conspiratorial organization which is alleged to mastermind events and control world affairs through governments and corporations to establish a New World Order.” (via Wikipedia) ? if that is so, that’s the biggest ************ I’ve ever heard O.o

      • I’ve never said that they were :< I'm just simply asking what were S&M's thoughts about it or whether have they across it and their opinions about it. And bytheway I quoted 'I really don't believe' that KPOP is part of the illumanati.

        • kpopfan123

          Yeah sorry I edited my comment … I actually wanted to say “so you’re saying that they said” just can’t believe ppl would come up with such ideas that’s all… wasn’t blaming you…

        • It’s a bit weird actually, they’re just saying that in some MV’s, mainly SM’s MV’s, the idols show gestures that would be used in illumanati or illumanati references are shown somewhere. I remember me researching about it and one example that I came acros was EXO-K’s Mama. But of course, I don’t really believe them :)

        • kpopfan123

          I bet they didn’t even check the English translation of their lyrics

        • Exactly :/ Can’t blame them though, what you is what you get

        • I remember them answering a comment about that and saying it was bullshit.

    • You’re talking about crazy internet conspiracy theory people who probably also think lizard-men disguised as humans rule the world. These are not mentally stable people who offer up these ideas.

  78. I think, it’s the same for every nation. I, for example, don’t know my native Russian music. Yes I know pretty much songs and singers, but listen mostly korean and american music.
    If somebody will show me a picture of a singer I can’t recognize him or her, the same for melody.
    It is normal for people not to know their own artists, ’cause they already live in this culture. But they want to know another, unknown culture, and try to learn it more detailed than his own culture.

  79. I lived in Korea for two years so the international Kpop
    fans reaction to Kpop sometimes makes me chuckle. There is one Kpop
    band that seemed to be the most popular with both genders and with the 20+
    crowd among foreigners and Korean… I’m not gonna mention the band name but the their initials happen to be TGTDS. **Runs away**

  80. Definetly, one of the most interesting TLDR ever… I’ve always wonderer about this because let’s face it, it’s the same in every country. Here in Argentina *Hola :D* it’s the same story, people who come from other countries always expect (considering the fact that they will know argentinian music first, obviously) to listen some tango everywhere but it’s not like that… at all. Actually here we have our gender of rock and it’s more common to argentinians and latinamericans listeners. But people from Germany or USA or even Asian expects tango or something more “native” if you want…

    So in Korea I think it’s the same, Kpop is well known but not crazy obsesive played everywhere. Actually I’ve heard of that “show us a kpop club” thing before.. here. Yes, here. I don’t know if people are ignorant or plane stupid. From magazine workers or people who are in charge of some related kpop events (they don’t know anything about it but they managed them because of masivity and money) expect that kpop music it’s as popular are fans made it to be.

    I think Korea it’s more attached to internacional music than kpop itself. I mean, it’s a market… for young girls and boys. The same way pop was REALLY popular in the 90s with the Backstreet Boys (i’m guilty xD) among teens. Or now with One Direction.

    That’s why it didn’t surprised me when Busker Busker won the rookie award, i think general people in korea enjoy them much more than six guys with bleached hair dancing like there’s no tomorrow *baby there’s no, no tomorrow… ♪ -dancingtotablosong-* /in no way i’m bashing bap/ Even more, i think kpop it’s bigger internationally than in korea. It happens with Exo for me, i thought they were huuuuge back home but reading some comments I realize that korean people didn’t like as much as they want us to believe in allkpop or omona… or my facebook friends. And you know? I think that’s awesome. I’m not a fan of exo and honestly i don’t even know them but i think it’s kinda great that they are very popular among international fans… and maybe that happens to a lot of new kpop bands.
    International fandom it’s getting bigger and bigger… so maybe companies now will target that or pay more attention to as mush as they try in their homeland.

    • Your comment about how some of the ‘News’ sites make us feel that it is is more popular in Korea than it really is reminds me of how I read that even the Korean media is pretty much faking it, and just pushing out press releases that companies release. It is all for the ‘ good of the hallyu wave’ I think.

      I mean we do the same thing here to market our islands. Why else do you think that when I go abroad people ask if I live in a tree or on a beach, or if we have cars here. Because all the Caribbean is good for are beaches, parties and rum. Edit: oh and ‘Smoking de herb’

  81. Oh Korean clubs….fun times. Yeah it’s true that most of the clubs play house music and techno. The only clubs that I’ve been to that have played a little kpop…Big Bang and 2Ne1…where the hip hop ones. Side note….hearing California Love in a Korean club made me so happy. lol

    As for the idol groups the people that are really into them were the kids and foreigners. Some Koreans were shocked to learn who are my favorite Korean musicians. As I tend to not like a lot of the idol groups and those are the groups that are big with foreigners.

  82. What is your favorite korean drama? How are they different from american or canadian tv shows like gossip girl, dawson’s creek or what not?

  83. kpopfan123

    About the @Shorty Awards. “Be creative with the reason. A tweet without a reason for the nomination will not be counted.” (Be smart) Please thumb this up so everyone could see.

  84. K-pop is exactly what it says in its name – popular music in Korea. It’s like pop music on this side; the most popular music tha will be played in malls and stuff, but more than likely, people prefer other kinds of music, and it may generate a lot of haters, or at least people who are annoyed by it. It’s like Justin Bieber, One Direction, etc. on this side.

  85. When I was 16 (a long ass time ago) I was SUPER into Jpop. Especially Visual Kei. So I got myself a Japanese pen pal and while I would go “DO YOU LISTEN TO DIR EN GREY AND L’ARC EN CIEL!?” he was like “DO YOU LISTEN TO AEROSMITH AND METALICA!?” He basically told me that they don’t really buy their own music because it was to expensive (it was expensive in SF Japan Town. We laid down $30 for a L’Arc CD). American/Western music was cheaper than JPop.

    I miss pen pals.

  86. Hey! I’m a film student, specifically studying Cinema and Media (media being anything from the cultural significance of lightbulbs to how the internet functions)- and the fact that YouTube is probably the sole reason why Kpop is so marketable to the international audience is actually very intriguing. Perhaps not many people have thought about it, but Kpop would not be where it is today without YouTube- and for EatYourKimchi, you guys are right at the centre, using YouTube as a crowdsourcing-social networking- industry device to reach global audiences! Sorry if this doesn’t quite make sense- more-or-less I’m super impressed and awed on how you, Simon and Martina, are able to be involved in something so large and have such an awesome, heart-felt, and creative influence on Kpop culture. You guys are positive influence, so thank you!

  87. About clubs~ I was so SHOCKED when I first went to a club in Korea and the very first song I heard there was… A POLISH SONG! Ha! Not any Polish song but a DISCO POLO song. xD It’s like a really, really bad village pop? To me it’s the most embarrassing kind of music we were able to invent. ^^’
    And also about the whole “rookie of the year”, half year ago I was surprised by it also. I was in Korea this summer and I talked with my Korean friends… on the second day we were out eating something and BAP played on the radio. And they didn’t know who it was. xD And I was like WOW! How come you don’t know? o.o They didn’t know EXO either. xD But they started telling me about Busker Busker and that I should listen to them~ ^^ So yeah, Busker Busker is huge in Korea and I wasn’t surprised by MAMA results.
    Best wishes from Poland!!! :D

  88. i love how everyone is sharing their experiences in the comments !! am really enjoying reading them!! I wish I had an experience of my own to share xD

  89. Well I thought that answer will be just ike yours. Few of my friends are listening to foreigner music such as Adele than K-Pop, although they like songs such as 2NE1 – I am the best. I have to listen to K-Pop not knowing that it is called that way xD Firstly I’ve listened to metal and rock, then because of my interests in Japanese culture I started listening to J-Pop and J-rock aaaaand because of anime I came to listening BoA and Younha and my first album that I listened knowing it is K-Pop was Se7en’s 3rd album to which I am addicted until now (apparently I ordered it from Gmarket few days ago at last :D). Just because I like the music. I like the melodies and the beat, but i also do not listen to all Kpop artists simply because they do not match to my music taste.

    I’m from Poland and, it’s a lot to explain but, most people here (basing on what I read on the Internet or listened to people from my surroundings) are like “You’re listening to crap and you don’t have great music taste if you don’t listen to this, that and them”.

    And it is not only K-Pop but generally POPish music. I mean… WTF? If I don’t listen to underground Polish/English/German bands whose music is, as for me of course, nearly the same so I am a crap or something? Can’t I have my own rank of favourites? UUUUHHHH! When I shared Nickelback ( Love them! Canadian rock bands ROCKZ *O*) someone aknowledge me for listening to good music. It is sad but most of my friends are not tolerant or I can’t really explain that Asian point of view about men with make-ups or holding hands is not guy but just cultural. C’mmon… So I don’t talk about music with people that cannot uderstand other points of view than their own, which is quite sad : Going back to what you sad about music in country each person live in. Aaaaannndddd i don’t really listen to Polish songs, actually I have one discography of Patrycja Markowska on my laptop and this is all. I just find Polish music as all the artist are within the same melody for 15 years. It’s so boring… After the video I googled TOP 10 Polish songs and I liked two artists from TOP 10 this one called in English “Frosty” XDD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJQhDu25Xvw) and Ewelina Lisowska (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb-I8Uxzmgk) and I really liked those two artists but well that’s it. I prefer Kelly Clarkson :<

    If there's anyone else that knows canadian or country music please share the names that aren't on wikipedia :DDD

  90. regarding the shorty awards: I think I feel more passionate about EYK than any kpop group haha, I’m sure people would be interested in voting for you! you should make a video about the best/funniest/most common reasons people give for voting for you, just imagining simon reading them out loud in his nasty voice makes me giggle XD

  91. Do Korean men and woman find foreigners attractive? Or are most of them attracted to what they are familiar with? If a woman or man were to travel to Korea would Koreans find them attractive or do they tend to stick to their already set standards of beauty, behavior and personalities?

  92. I don’t normally do this sort of thing.. my love of kPop is odd enough that I generally don’t shove it in people’s faces (I don’t deny it, I just don’t make a big deal of it either) — but for you guise … vote tweeted. <3

  93. I made friends with a group of korean girls who are living in Norway as exchange students for a year, and none of them are especially interested in kpop, except for one girl who likes EXO and DBSK. They are usually super impressed when I mention something about kpop that they didn’t know about (and that’s a lot, since they aren’t really fans). One of the girls has even run into Taemin by chance, and had quite a long conversation with him. To me, she’s really lucky x)
    On the other hand, when I had my korean oral exam (still in Norway) my examinators were two super cute old korean ladies, who have both lived in Norway for 20 years. Still, they both knew who SHINee was, when I mentioned them. Even though they have lived in Norway for a longer time than Taemin has lived at all.
    I think it’s curious.

  94. I have (had? we haven’t written in a while xD) a Korean penpal and I remember when EXO came out I was freaking out all the time like omg EXO’s awesome blah blah. So I mentioned it to her, told her how I stayed up really late to watch their interviews and things like that. She responded with “I never heard of them before” ;~; Whenever I run across young Koreans who recently moved to the US, the only group they ever want to talk about is DBSK xD

  95. Nice video. This has been my experience in Korea as well; most of my coworkers and even some of my students are surprised that I know so much about K-Pop. It’s… kind of embarrassing, honestly, because they assume the reason I came to Korea in the first place was JUST because of K-Pop, when K-Pop was just the initial thing that made me want to learn more about Korea. (I mean… people in North America don’t know much about Korea besides the ~Bad Korea~ and a lot of Koreans don’t seem to realize that because they’re all WOOOOOO KOREAAAAAAAA.)

    So, yeah. I try to keep my K-Pop shit on the DL, although I do have a calendar of one of the members of EXO-M on my desk, haha.

    Also, K-Indie is great and I’ve been looking to check out some more bands. I like Neon Bunny and Donawhale. :)

  96. I never thought of it that way before! I was actually one of those that assume everyone in Korea likes Kpop, so it makes more sense when looked at through a Western perspective… and makes me kind of sad that I don’t listen to more American music. By the Way: Martina, I am also a Justin Bieber fan! I think my favorite song from him is the one he did with Jaden Smith for the Karate Kid remake, Never Say Never! :D

  97. People just like to complain period. It’s like how I love thrift shopping (it’s kind of an addiction) but the majority of thrift shops are run by Christian non profit organizations. So their stores literally blast Christian music. Now I’m not religious, so songs about God and Jesus aren’t something I want to listen to for the two hours I might spend hunting in their store. So instead of letting it annoy me, I simply bring my earbuds along so I can listen to whatever I’m feeling at that moment. Problem solved, no energy wasted on all that negativity.

  98. Well, that put things into perspective for me. I sang NKOTB, N-Sync, and BSB like a maniac but I just don’t like the Beiber and I only know one One Direction song. I think it’s time to expand my musical horizons as far as Korean music is concerned.

  99. Even here in the states they play Kpop in Korean stores! I love going to this one Korean grocery store because the produce is cheap and I get some “asian foods” cheap (aka I don’t have to pay 12$ for 4 oz of sesame oil, but instead get a giant tub instead) Anywho, always playing kpop- and always keeping up with the new releases too! Seriously! It like your kpop weekly updates happen and BAM! Playing in the store. I wonder if some of the fascination with Kpop is sort of like a Korean pride thing?

    On a side note of younger people only listening to kpop, about 10+ years ago when I first was listening to kpop, I was talking to my one Aunt who is actually a North Korean (or rather her parents were runaways from North Korea from the war) She was shocked to find out I liked some of the Korean groups. She was a big Baby V.O.X and NRG fan. She would always go on about how all the other Korean women her age would tell her she was too old for that. That said I think Korean entertainment is trying more to keep old idols and market them for older people. For example almost all the members of Baby V.O.X are now acting, and I think Kan Mi Youn’s new career is marketed differently that say G-Dragon. She does a lot of drama OSTs, and her dance music is a lot more techno and could be played in a dance club.

  100. Even though I knew that Kpop and Kdramas weren’t the only thing Korea had to offer I was still kind of surprised when I first moved here that almost no one in my age group had any interest in these things. My elementary students and some ajumma teachers are the only ones who seem to be well versed in kpop(the ajummas seem to know the members of the groups more than the songs). I pretend like I don’t know anything about it when I’m around my korean friends.

  101. I heard the camel toe song in Uniqlo the other day lol

  102. Finished the video, and saw the preview for last weeks video. Even though I knew what it was and have seen it already, I STILL thought it said “Western vs Korean Hipster”. I was intrigued haha.

  103. irritablevowel

    That sounds like peoples’ relationship to pop music in North America as well. I know a Rihanna song or a Justin Bieber song when I hear it, but I don’t own any Rihanna songs or Justin Bieber songs. I know there is a band called One Direction, and that it is very popular with the young ones. I have no idea who the members of the band are (though I have ascertained that one of them is dating Taylor Swift, and that is apparently a big deal). Speaking of Taylor Swift, I always sing along to her songs in the car on my way to work, but again, I don’t actually own any of her music. I just think the older you get, the more specific your music tastes become, and you’re only willing to spend money on what you’re fairly certain you’ll want to listen to again 2 years down the road.

  104. wow great TLDR. I really liked your comparisons of how Kpop is similar to what Top 40′s would be like in other countries. I’m so curious now as to which groups that are popular overseas, aren’t so much well known in Korea.. hmm curiouser and curiouser.. obviously you can’t tell me cuz you’ll be murdered by hardcore fans haha

  105. I already knew not every Korean person likes Kpop. I had a Korean penpal
    and she also wasn’t into Kpop, she was surprised I knew so much more
    then her. She actually was a fan of a Dutch artist I never heard of
    which surprised her because I’m Dutch.

  106. I was wondering if you could make a video discussing some of the memorable fan interactions you have had over the past few years. When was the first time someone recognized you on the street? Can you think of a time a fan has surprised you? Have you ever seen a k-pop star that you were a fan of on the streets? Have you ever been surprised that a k-pop idol knows you?

  107. actullay babyz dont rly fight its just the exo-tics JUST WHAT I EXPERIENCED

    • Lol maybe I could take your comment seriously if your pic wasn’t B.A.P’s logo.

      And I seem to remember a LOT of butthurt going around when S&M didn’t want to review their vid. JUST WHAT I EXPERIENCED.

  108. here is my question. I know that most indie clubs are in Hongdae but where specifically, which ones are better, and where can i get a reliable schedule of bands playing around?

  109. Loved Martina’s rant! hahaha JYP tea bagging! WTH!
    Kpop seems to be a lot like pop music in other countries. Sure people know about it, but most of the time its going to be the kids in middle school and high school who are listening to it the most. Kpop is also a really well marketed, so as an international audience, sometimes I think we forget that not everyone knows about it like we do. We are actively looking at new Rookie groups and what songs our biases released, but if you asked me what was popular in my country at the moment, I’d have a hard time listing even the popular ones. When I first got into Kpop, we had a Korean exchange student and although he knew about Kpop and liked a few of the songs, he laughed at me for knowing more about the genre than he did XD

    • Because I naughty naughty your mother lol.

      Ugh I with we had a Korean exchange student (or Japanese). Kind of weird, I went to ba hick school in the middle of nowherr but yet we had exchange students from France, Netherlands, Germany, China (didn’t know they did that), and I’m forgetting a couple I think… and that was just my grade. Two Germans I think.

      Seriously tho, hick school, like we have “drive your tractor to school day” every year and tons of ppl look forward to it lol. Corn was one of our finalists for class flower too! Lol I voted for only non-country song that made finalists for class song… it lost.

      • Wow that is pretty impressive! We had like 3 exchange students in the whole school!
        Love the description of your school! I’ve only ever lived in cities, so I reckon driving your tractor to school would be so awesome! What was your class song?

        • NANAandLIZZYfanatic

          We Rode In Trucks or somethin lame like that. Our school wasn’t even very big, like classes under 200.

          Reckon lol
          Seriously some of those tractors were like 15 mph max so I don’t wanna know when theu had to get up to make it on time.

        • You’re school wasn’t big? Our high school (grade 7 to 10) had about 400 students when I graduated, and I think there was about 60 or 70 in my class. Granted they shut down the school a year after we left, but still.
          hahaha 15 mph? Ok yeah, I’d be bored after like 10 minutes and never make it to school lol

        • NANAandLIZZYfanatic

          I think there are more ppl in each grade than ppl that actually live in the town our school is in. Well yeah I think our class was like 120 or somethin like that but the classes after us were bigger.

        • Yeah, that makes a bit of a difference. There were 4 high schools in our area, so the schools end up being smaller.

        • Was that 1 concert canceled or is it still hapening? Lol idr when it even was supposed to happen.

          Yeah I still say we’re a small school compared to lots of others but anyway yeah we have four Elementary schools send their students to where I went to b HS because it was nearest. There actually was a bigger school not that far from us but we hated eachother lol they’re one of our two “rivals”. But imo that school many consisted of thugs n stoners.

        • NANAandLIZZYfanatic

          Meant to edit and deleted.
          Was that 1 concert canceled or is it still hapening? Lol idr when it even was supposed to happen.

          Yeah I still say we’re a small school compared to lots of others but anyway yeah we have four Elementary schools send their students to where I went to b HS because it was nearest. There actually was a bigger school not that far from us but we hated eachother lol they’re one of our two “rivals”. But imo that school many consisted of thugs n stoners. Our class was pretty normal and cool tho, we had least amount of “outcasts” compared to the couple grades above and below us. We didn’t have THAT bad of cliques either. Like a third of our class would have been considered popular and each 1 of us associated with a few kids not considered popular. Every1 knew eachother in our class and I’d say 90% of us got along.

          And now I’m rambling and giving you a mini bio…

        • The concert is on the 16th of February, but everyone is concerned that Block B won’t be there because of their issues at the moment. Also, I don’t think they’ve sold enough tickets, but it hasn’t been cancelled so I’m still hopeful!
          ‘rivals’ lol Sounds intense. Sure we didn’t like the other high schools around us, but I wouldn’t call us rivals.
          Our class was similar to yours, mostly because we were just a small grade, you had at least one class with everyone. So everyone was friendly and we didn’t have many cliques. There were a few like the druggies and guys who played sport, but other than that everyone was friends.

        • NANAandLIZZYfanatic

          Yeah rivals moreso for sports but we pretty much hate their guts. My cousin went to the other school that’s our rival so I didn’t associate w/ him much during sporting events lol.

          Yeah not thinkin Block B will be there lol, that kind of throws a wrench in things, wonder if they’ll replace them.

        • Lol just because they went to another school? It was kind of like that here, but the local prep teams were made up of kids from all of the school. So they had to train together and that pretty much got rid of any school rivalry, because they were friends outside of school lol

          *coughNU’ESTcough* hahaha 1/2 of pledis will already be there XD but it is starting to be a little short notice to get another group and they still haven’t announced who the last group is meant to be. IDK, just have to wait and see.

  110. I have also heard a Wonder Girls song a few times in an american bar of all things up in Dongducheon

  111. I have seen 2 actual K-Pop clubs in Seoul but havent gone to them yet (going to when my wife visits in Feb. One looks pretty decent and in in Inchon in the ally full of bars behing a huge hotel. the other is in Hongdae next to a DJ equipment store. That one looks like its really small and downstairs and the sign is easy to miss. Its called I love k-pop.

  112. Korean wedding. I remember that you wanted to tell us about korea wedding after going to one of the Buskar Buska member weddings. So could you tell us about that.

  113. Actually, if you’re looking for a Kpop club, there’s on in Itaewon! My dad and I passed it on our way to All That Jazz, a super cool jazz club in Itaewon. (You should check it out, the jazz trio they had was awesome~)

  114. I am seriously not surprised at this at all. It reminds me of when I was younger and into anime hardcore and when I told my Japanese profs about liking it they were like oh, ok, that’s nice but weird. Being an otaku ( which was the word that western anime fans appropriated at the time I was into anime like 10 years ago ) in Japan is actually not a good thing. It’s like being an obsessive nerd who collects all sorts of anime accoutrement and doesn’t know how to interact with normal people.

    I finally matured into realizing that being interested in Japanese culture may be a cool thing to do in the western world, but you have to be careful how you come off too Japanese people when you are interested in it. I have no idea how it is now though since I have not been as into that scene like I used to be, but here in my country that just started up an anime/ pop culture convention and the sort that go to those things are the teenagers and guys in their 20s and 30s who are huge Bleach or Naruto fans.

    Thus why I tread carefully with Kpop and Korean stuff. I may like it but I would never assume that every Korean person likes it. Just like I am from the Caribbean but am not necessarily into Reggae or Calypso.

    • irritablevowel

      Heh, have you seen the the SNL skits making fun of American J-pop fans? It’s supposed to be two college students with a cable access show that they have to have supervised by their Japanese studies professor. They’re super obsessed with Japanese pop culture, but to the dismay of their professor, don’t realize that they’re actually being ignorant. It’s pretty funny.

      • You mean the one where the name is something close to “Super happy something something now”? Those things terrified me until I realized that I know people kinda similar…

    • Yeah, I’m friends with some international students from South Korea and I didn’t mention that I listen to K-pop cause I didn’t know how they’d react. One of the girls listens to it though and asked me if I did so we have awesome conversations now, lol. But still, obsessive k-poppers kind of scare me *coughlikeoneofmyfriendsfromhighschoolcough*

    • I hate the term Otaku and cannot understand why people want to anchor themselves to that term. But I’m old and from a time when you simply didn’t call yourself that because it was so bad.

    • just wondering but are you from Barbados? ?My mom is from there.

  115. My question: how have things changed since you first came to Korea? It’s a fast-moving country, in the internet age, relatively recently developed…I know that when I was getting ready to come here I was told a lot of things that seem to be untrue now. For instance I’ve seen lots of women’s fashion with bared shoulders, it’s easy to find deodorant, it’s easy to find tampons….

    What have you guys noticed change, and is there anything you think that’s changing now or will change soon? (that’s not a broad question at all, huh? XD)

  116. So basically Kpop in Korea is like B101.1 radio in Philadelphia. I assume the really popular songs get played so much that people would get sick and tired of hearing.

  117. I love Martina’s rant – JYP teabagging you in the middle of the night?! I LOL’ed XD

  118. I don’t love Justin Bieber…. But Somebody To Love and Beauty & The Beat are just too damn catchy! Ahhhh!

    And yeah… I don’t wanna sound like I’m dissing the popular internationally well-known groups but I heard that Koreans themselves know who the good artistes actually are, besides the few giant names. Through Running Man, I’ve known so many other artistes such as Taru/The Breeze/Deli Spice and I’ve grown to appreciate another aspect of Korean music so much more!

  119. That’s true only songs I heard in clubs last half year I heard 2ne1 I love you and I’m the best, Big Bang Fantastic baby all kind of Gangnam Style remixes and Roly Poly maybe once xD but my korean friend told me there is a kpop club somewhere in hongdae if I remember correctly. I once was in so called kpop club in wangsimni but it was super small and they remixed the songs so badly it was hard to tell wether it was kpop or not ><
    I remember people telling me I know everything about kpop when I was talking about rookie groups from this year like Nu'Est (very unpopular nobody new them in fact @@) BAP also almost nobody but I saw them in some shops in the TVs and heard Hajimah few times. EXO I saw them on some small poster of some comsetic brand ( and on DBSK concert as they were sitting in front of me lol but that's a different story) XD
    However as Simon and Martina said Kpop is everywhere~~ Lee Sungi's new song was popular, Miss A- I dont need a man, I heard it all time and K will one also kkk

  120. I completely agree with this. Not everyone loves Kpop here but they are aware of it as its like the mainstream music being played. Often my co-teachers are asking me what bands are popular and/or who a certain person is the students (mostly with the girls) are gushing over. When I did my introduction answer my students were surprised when I said I knew Kpop and had even been to a few events in North America.

    Now when it comes to what groups are popular, it is mostly the newer groups. EXO isn`t actually all that popular, BAP is much more popular at least in the Middle School girl demographic. Sure there are still the hardcore VIP fans, a few ELFS and even SHINee is popular in my school, but BAP and B1A4 are the bands girls are marking up either desks with and doodling in class while they pretend to listen to me.

    As for the boys, Girl`s Generation still rains supreme. Other than that the rest is a mix bag…

  121. I’ve experienced that with my Korean class when we had exchange students visiting to help us~ Most of them only knew of groups but didn’t really listen to them.

    I think at the end of the day it all just depends on the individual~ *shrugs* I mean I live in Australia but I don’t follow my own country’s music scene… I know it there but I just don’t really follow it… Its the same anywhere else~ Just people’s personal taste =) Kpop just ended up being interesting to me~ ^^

    And omg yes to Martina’s rant! HIGHFIVE! lol

  122. “Did Super Junior because I naughty naughty with your mother?” hahahaha, I’m sorry I can’t stop laughing. This is why I love you Martina hehe ^___^

    Anyway I have a question which kind of links onto this one, kind of…
    Do Kpop fans in korea (the really dedicated ones who are so dedicated that they make up fan chants of which, as a fellow fan girl I greatly admire :P) listen to their bias’ and favourite idol’s Japanese or Chinese albums and singles etc??

    I know that you guys don’t review Japanese pv’s by Korean groups anymore because you said that you don’t hear them in Korea – does that mean that the fans wouldn’t know about their songs in another language.
    I guess that would make sense because, unlike me, they understand the Korean songs and don’t understand the Japanese ones so why would they listen to them? As for me, I don’t understand either language so it really doesn’t matter haha. Also often Japanese singles are translated to Korean and added to the next korean album, so I just wondered….

    It would be a real shame, I think if they don’t because, well for example, Tick Tack is probably my favourite music video from UKISS ever and one of my favourite songs too!! I know there is a korean version but I can’t listen to it because the english lyrics, “tonight we gonna party,” totally changes the eerie but epic-ly awesome feel of “to lie, I shall be here.” (even though that really doesn’t make sense) Also, Japanese songs usually have a different sort of vibe to them – they are more heavily influenced by J-pop or J-rock – and I feel like it adds an extra kind of diversity and interest to the artists. Like FT ISLAND’s jap songs, they are so j-rock sounding, probably influenced mainly by ONE OK ROCK, which is really nice for FT Island because they love them so much. And its nice for primadonna’s too because it shows a different side to the flower band. Just thinking that the Korean pri’s don’t know about all the many jap album’s saddens me.

    well, sorry this ended up being long….it’s a bad habit of mine….

    • Ohh I absolutely love One Ok Rock.. haha sorry that was a random reply :D

    • Wow i didn’t know FT Island’s japanese songs sound like they’re influenced by One Ok Rock.. i’m a huuuuge fan of OOR so i’m gonna check out FT Island’s jap songs for sure! Thank you~ ^^

      • hmmm, well they I don’t think they really really sound similar but I can pick up a few similarities, maybe not so much in their title songs but in the side tracks…It’s just that for FT Island’s japanese songs they are given quite a bit more freedom than their Korean releases and they compose a lot of their Japanese songs themselves. And FT Island’s favourite band is actually One Ok Rock, so I assume they would be influenced by them :) However, although their Jap songs are different to their Korean ones they still contain the FT Island sound and vibe.

  123. When I was out for dinner (in Korea) with a new Korean acquaintance, she asked me what I liked about Korea, and I said that I’m into some K-Pop. Her reaction “No no, you don’t really like K-Pop!” as if I was somehow too good for it. When I was at a café I heard German music (I’m German) by famous singer Nena and was sooo confused.

  124. That was such a good question!! i’ve always had in mind that probably not all koreans like kpop but this makes it more clearer to me now x)

  125. I want to vote in shorty awards but I don’t have twitter!! Waah! what kind of social media awards is it if you can only vote via one type?? Also I read the how to vote bit and votes from new twitter accounts post 7th Jan will not be counted :P What a jip!

  126. Martina, your rant is completely fare. This is like the thing I still can’t understand – how one can possibly not know that other music besides k-pop actually exists? Why all these ~haters~ can’t comprehend the fact that it’s like in other countries you have plenty of genres other than pop music? And of course on top of that why do they make such a fuss of it? And believe me – in my own country (mother Russia) I’m tired to explain everyone (both locals and foreigners) that there IS other music in Korea besides k-pop. I like it as a genre, but I also like other music genres, and I’m totally sure I’m not alone in my music taste :)

  127. Honestly, you should put the link-thingy to vote on the top of the post. I almost didn’t see it :O
    If I think about how dedicated people are with voting on KMM, I’d like to see the power of nastiness with voting ^_^

  128. This entry is reall perspective :)) thank u

  129. yeah I agree! I studied abroad in Korea this past summer with a program called NSLI-Y! and its so true about Kpop being heard in EVERY SINGLE STORE! lol and yeah I understand about Busker Busker winning at MAMA! Busker Busker was everywhere when I was in Korea the OLLEH commercial was ADDICTING! lol PAROM PAROM PAROM LTE WARPE OLLEH! lol and also about some Kpop idols not being known! I knew more Kpop bands than my host sister! lol I would mention one and she would be like “Who is that?” lol

  130. Damn, I’ve always wanted to ask this question, but not Kpop but the indie music in Korea. How is it popular? How strong is its presence? Is it strong enough to have a little bit of effect on the general Kpop scene?

  131. My Korean friends here, they only know about some idol groups. I mean they only know names of some idol groups but not the songs.

  132. I already knew about this !! I actually voted the most for busker busker to win the rookie award !! Even tought I love k-pop I understand that people in korea might get tired of it + their indie music is really good !!

  133. How sustainable is your business model?

  134. its the same with Sunny Hill, really popular within Korea, but its not as well known for international fans.

  135. Yeah I knew that there were many people in Korea who didn’t listen to k-pop, but this may come as a huge surprise to some people. I don’t blame them, the internet really makes it seem like k-pop groups are the only musical thing coming out of Korea. But its just like every other country ^^ Well it doesn’t really affect me, I like k-pop because I like k-pop ^^ I like other music too though ^^ And Martina, your rant was beautiful <3

  136. Noooooooooo ;; I’m going to study in Ewha this year and I wanted so much to have a Shawol friend!! Do you guys think there’s still college students who like k-pop or at least would help me with stuff like buying goodies and going in concerts? :(

  137. I think people need to stop thinking of KPOP as a super special unique music genre. I mean yes it is special and somehow unique, but for korean people it is everyday normal pop music playing on the radio.

    My Question:

    How did your everyday life changed since you started EYK? You earned a lot more subscribers, you have been on TV Shows and had interviews in magazines. Do you get recognized often? Is it awesome or sometimes even annoying? Alena, 17, Germany. :)

      I like k-pop along with k-indie, j-pop, j-rock, and some finnish and dutch singers and bands.
      But because I like k-pop, people who know me see me only as the k-pop girl.
      Excuse me, what’s so special or strange about me listening to this music? Why do you think it’s so bad and reject it if you’ve never heard a song?
      If only they knew the amount of metal I listen to xD

      • lol you don’t even know! LMFAO I’m in that same boat.

      • Wow Finnish music! I’m from Finland :D (sorry this comment is totally irrelevant)

        • OMG FINLAND
          I’m so jealous of you
          Great education system, great music
          and completely relevant comment ^^

        • I don’t know if it’s as great as you make it out to be.. Maybe I’m just too used to it :)
          Where are you from, if you don’t mind me asking?

        • I’m from the States….
          I’ve lived in two of them and traveled to several and I still dislike it
          I just need to move to a big city
          No more medium sized cities/middle of nowhere for me >_<

        • I know what you mean, Finland doesn’t even HAVE big cities >.< The capital which is the largest city has a population of around half a million, and I don't even live anywhere near there -_- Maybe that is why I love travelling abroad. On that note, I just found out that my school is arranging a trip to Shanghai this spring and I get to go! *excited*

        • I’M SO JEALOUS
          My mom wants to go to London this summer which is cool and all
          but I really want to go to a language camp in Minnesota where I’d only speak Korean ^^

        • Wow that sounds really cool, I hope you get to go! ^^ I’ve been on a language course once, in Edinburgh, Scotland. It was really great!
          Have you studied Korean for a long time? I only know a few words…

        • I’ve studied for about 8 months now ^^
          저는 더 빨리 배우고 싶어요~
          Google translate should work just fine for that ;)

        • Google did work, and I actually understood a little of it myself! ^^ Since I know how to read Korean (which is very useful since I don’t know enough of the language to be able to write anything…)

        • you should use talk to me in korean if you don’t, because it’s really helpful ^^

        • I’ve heard about it before, should probably give it a try when I have time ^^

      • I listen to metal too xD awkwardly mixed taste in music.

      • I also listen to a lot of metal :) Actually I´m curious about the metalscene in south korea. japanese rock or metalbands are not that rare, but when it comes to korean metalbands it´s harder to find. Seems like Crash is amongst the more wellknown metalbands? How big is the rock/metalscene in korea ? (if anyone knows that is) :)

      • Oh yes this. I hate how people call me “the kpop girl” :’( Like hey I listen to music from other countries and genres too!

    • This question has to be answered!!!!

    • Well the same goes for people in other countries who love American artists like Beyonce & Lady Gaga. Other people may see it as a super special genre or something, but for many us it’s just normal pop music without anything really special about it.

  138. Do Koreans dislike facial hair? Because most male idols do not have one :)

    • sunnyhill

      I would rather say that it just doesn’t grow, not because they don’t like it, they just don’t have facial hair. Or at least my asian bf doesn’t have xD

      • Or it just looks goofy when it does grow, as I’ve seen on all of my Asian guy friends. They look so goofy with their wispy little mustaches.

        • I think all guys have that awkward scraggly phase when trying to grow out facial hair and if it’s their first time they get that patchy look.

        • Hey- not true with all of them! Have you seen Lee Kwang Soo with facial hair? He looks so damn hot with facial hair- I’d say he looks better with facial hair than without. And what about several notable actors who have grown facial hair for historical roles? OMG OMG OMG- seriously, so hot!!!!!

        • And that guy from Ailee’s “Heaven” MV has a decent facial hair too.

        • michiehaha87

          NO offense but everytime I see it on them it looks like pubes hahahahaha. XD

      • well, GD actually shaves regularly and it’s true that G.O admitted it was hard for him to grow his moustache. so i guess it’s kinda different with everyone but the asian gene in general or maybe korean guys in general don’t grow thick or visible facial hair i guess. there is epik high’s mithra, tiger jk and dumbfoundead though so maybe as they get older their facial hair will grow on thicker.

      • Seriously? What I know is, every men after puberty WILL have facial hair. It’s either he gets rid of it every single day or he has made a surgery. Facial hair growing is nature for men, as far as i know.

      • I think on average Asians are less hirsute, but it varies from person to person. ^^

        I know Super Junior Ryeowook and Sungmin were talking about facial hair–Sungmin shaves I think once a week, and Wookie has to shave twice a day. XD

    • Everyone says that MBLAQ’s GO got more handsome when he shaved his ‘stache. I thought he was super fly then and is boring now. :P

    • I know my one friend ended up marrying a Japanese guy (I know different countries! But I wouldn’t be surprised if the views are somewhat similar) At one point he made a big fuss because he had to go back to Japan. He had to shave his beard because he was sure he would never get hired for any job otherwise. The way he described it seemed a little going to an interview in a dirty t-shirt, it shows that you are “lazy” and not interested in “hygiene” or your appearance.

      That said, I can think of quite a few Japanese actors and rock idols (no pop idols, though maybe for a role in a drama) who have some beards or mustaches. BUT none for Korea. I really can’t think of any that aren’t little wispy staches or something like that. By western standards, I haven’t seen a Korean celeb going past the “my first mustache phase”, nothing even close to what Toshiro Mifune or Hiroyuki Sanada have grown.

      And from my knowledge, I think Japanese are known for their “thick” facial hair in Korea. Just some two cents in there.

      • it’s weird because kpop idols don’t really have facial hair, but kdrama actors can be darn smexy with some fuzz on em. like cha seungwon and jang hyuk. lol.

        • michiehaha87

          Cha Seung Won is THE sexiest and hairiest male celebrity in Korea XD I have not seen anyone, except G.O grow a ‘stache before. O_O

        • THE SEXIEST!!! Seriously whenever i watch him i just disintegrate and transform into a puddle of gooeyness. his level of gorgeous is unexplainable. so hot!! in fact he looks so much better with hair than without.

        • michiehaha87

          Exactly!! It adds this extra bit of Rawr to his already rwarrific image :D But then again, he is the only one who can pull it off so freaking well. *faints* I feel like watching his drama again just for the stache xD hahahaha

        • not so much that he’s the only one that can pull it off, it’s just that he is one of the very few that even have the 5′oclock fuzz. i don’t know why korean men don’t grow facial hair and keep it shaved but facial hair is seriously hot. i honestly like men with facial hair more. which is why cha seungwon is so attractive to me. haha!! whoo~ fanning myself over here!

        • michiehaha87

          Exactly!! I dont love it, but man with facial hair look more manly.

    • I know that in Chinese culture, clean-shaven boys are generally more desirable, so it may extend to Korean culture, too.

    • So my Uncle is Chinese and obviously this isn’t about Koreans, but here is a little perspective. So he has this tiny mustache. It’s as thick as it’s going to get. So my Dad shows up to family gatherings (he is NOT Chinese) and has a full on Gandalf beard and he gets the side eye from my Chinese side of the family.

      Although whenever we would go out, Asians in general were always super impressed by his facial hair since they were always thought he was Asian. (I mean that “Oh your boyfriend is so cute. Is he Korean?” and “Oh your boyfriend is so cute. Is he Japanese?” by other Asians. This was usually followed up by “No. That’s my Dad. He’s we don’t know.”)

    • Most Korean girls don’t like facial hair. And they are the majorities of customers. So mowed it will be. And if you want to work for the Koporate, no facial hair, no tatooes, wear dark colored suit and ties. No casual Fridays either.

      Strangely back in the olden days, cutting ANY bodily hair was taboo b/c it was something your parents gave you. If saw Rooftop Prince, three stooges cry b/c they had to cut their hair to fit into modern society.

      • oh. i thought they kept their hair long because it is a symbol of honor or something like that. at least that’s what i read somewhere when i searched about it.

    • i think its a thing where the male groups are supposed to have an image of “innocence and youth”. i think some of the younger male idols are ashamed or downright embarrassed when theyre five o’clock shadow appears. i think it might be a managment thing too. (i think the image of having facial hair, is thought to be a more “mature and sophisticated” looking image, which i don’t think is the look the entertainment agencies are going for) that’s just my take on it though :)

  139. Oh Gawd! I could picture in my head Simon, in his dothraki man body, air humping while singing Snoop Dogg. Anywoo! Is it true that Snoop change his name to Snoop Lion?!?

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