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So, after we filmed our TL;DR, we were curious about something. In Korea, people protect themselves from the sun. I wonder if their skin cancer rates are lower as a result. We asked Soo Zee to look into this, and here’s what she found:

Skin Cancer in Korea

That’s the list of the most common cancers in four countries. Korea, then Japan, then the US, then the UK. Skin cancer isn’t in the top ten in either Korea or Japan, but 5th and 4th in the US and UK, respectively. Coincidence?

Anyhow, speaking of skin cancer, we mentioned in our video a bit about mole removal and how we got some of ours removed. You might remember, if you’ve been around for a while, how we had bandaids on our faces for a bit. I actually tried looking for those videos but they’re so old that I can’t remember. High five to anyone who does!

Point is, we didn’t remove them for cosmetic purposes, but because we noticed that they were looking a bit irregular, and we know that can lead to health complications in the future. I also had one on my chin, and at least five times a month, I’d cut it open while shaving. So, we went to a dermatologist to get some of them removed. Quick, easy, painless, and TEN BUCKS! That’s it! It was ten bucks a mole. And we didn’t need an appointment or anything. Just walked in to a place we were told about and got it done.

Then again, procedures in Korea are pretty cheap compared to procedures elsewhere, probably because there are dermatologists and clinics just about everywhere. Hell, across the street from us, where all the chicken shops are located, there’s a dermatology shop on the third floor. Great location! Feel like chicken? How about stopping by for some laser hair removal first? Great plan!

Anyhow, let us know what skin care is like where you’re from. Are we wrong in thinking that people take better care of their skin here in Korea than in North America? Do you wear sunblock on your face every day? How cautious are your friends about sun damage? We’d love to hear if it’s just a Korea thing!

Oh! One last thing we forgot to mention: a really cheap and easy way that Koreans take care of their skin so they can stay looking young and beautiful is – how could I have forgotten to mention this? – by clicking on the subscribe button below. Oh man! It’s so good for your health!

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  1. VelvetGeisha

    I live in norway and the sun rarely sets here in the summertime…but I gave up tanning a long time ago so i use spf all the time and usually carry a parasol/umbrella to keep the sun of my head…(i get migraines from sun exposure) I use a lot of korean products actually :)

  2. Emmarshall

    I’m Dutch but currently living in the UK and even though it’s only 1 hour by plane from my home town to here, there is a difference. In my experience in both countries people love having a tan, but the English skin seems to be less suited for it. European people will know what I mean… you can recognize English people when you’re on a holiday everywhere, because they are RED, ridiculously red XD Tanning salons are really big here, but especially the tanning spray thing. ORANGE is the new tanning colour here. I’m Dutch so I’m all pro orange (especially now with the world cup ;) ) but it’s kinda weird when it’s supposed to be a tan :’]

  3. Im from Puerto Rico and here being tan is pretty, people do get made fun of sometimes for being white.

  4. innervi

    I live in AUS and am a mix of asian cultures and for a long long time I have remembered wanting to be lighter skinned, but I have come to the realisation that I simply love the sun too much. Having darker skin in a “lighter skin” ideal culture is something I have come to embrace. I do reviews of Korean/ Japanese/ Chinese and some western cosmetics on my blog: http://innervi.blogspot.com.au/
    From my experience I can definitely conclude that the products are not “whitening” but for “evening out” just like Martina said :) Seeing some people desperately trying to “bleach” their body to look whiter scares me for sure. We should just learn to love ourselves a little more; including our skin tone~

  5. I’ve seen commercials in China for this black tar stuff that you smear on your skin in the shower, and when you rinse it off, it takes all the pigment with it. I’ve seen women here so whitened and powdered they have chemical burns on their legs and faces. The whitening stuff is scary.

  6. I’m Chinese but I live in the US so I’ve experienced both the love for whiter skin (in China) and the love of tanning (in the US).
    ;D i have an EXCITING theory as to why:
    so in China, tanned skin meant you had to work outside in the fields to survive; aka, you were poorer and so turned darker. but if you didn’t have to work outside, aka, you were wealthy, then you had nicer, more desirable whiter skin.
    in the US, most people have never worked in the fields. and with the internet and staying inside for your entire life an actual possibility, a tan means you go out often with friends; aka, you have a (social) life. but paler skin meant you stayed inside because there was nothing for you outside; aka, you don’t have a socially acceptable life. (<– because, i mean, seriously, living on the internet all the time, like on tumblr/youtube/fbk has a negative… patina? sheen? impression? it's just not "cool")

  7. Luna

    As you well know being Canadians yourself sunscreen isn’t a huge deal unless its summertime, but women actually have it a bit better than men, a lot of moisturizers and foundations have spf in it mine as 30 in my moisturizer ( I don’t really wear foundation unless its a special occasion) but BB Cream has it too. But what most Canadians don’t know is that you’re actually at a higher risk of getting damaged skin in the wintertime. I never used to wear sunscreen in the winter…until I got a sunburn while skiing… so now I do if I’m going to be out all day lol. Tanning is a big thing here too, especially if youre supposed to be a “gym rat” apparently if you’re not tanned you’re not working out. Anyways that was way longer than I expected :P

    • innervi

      Haha I love that you pointed that out, but its seems that many people aren’t aware that the UV rays are quite harsh even if there is no sun out (ie. winter time) Its best if you can apply sunscreen everyday, sun or not !

  8. mintykpoper

    In America its totally normal to get a tan because pale skin isn’t sexy enough. People need that sun-kissed skin even though it causes cancer and can ruin it forever. You would think at least for how health crazy Californians are, they would appreciate taking care of their skin and wearing SPF and not tanning.

  9. Tanning is totally normal here in the U.S, people do it all the time. However the effects are depressed immune system function,accelerated ageing of the skin, and last but not least….skin cancer.

  10. Oh my goodness, where I live, tanning is so popular. I have friends that, when we get back to school on a Monday, first thing they’ll tell me is, “Oh my gosh, you guys, this weekend was awesome! I sat outside all day covered in oil and fried myself with the sun and look how tan I got!” And I shake my head with disappointment. Another time, a friend of mine was saying how she got a job at a water park during the summer, and another girl excitedly commented, “Oh my gosh, you’re going to get so tan!” as if it was a great thing. When I tell people here that I wear sunblock on a daily basis, they think I’m silly and stupid, they say, “The sun’s not even out!” but obviously there are still UV rays. No one around here except for the other friends of mine that are Asian and are still connected to the customs they had in their respective native countries, understand how dangerous tanning is.

  11. As a pale redhead, my Mom grounded me once after getting a bad sunburn. My dad who is also pale, had to get a bit of skin cancer removed as well, so I’m extra careful with sunscreen. Growing up there were tanning salons everywhere, but it seems people are more getting on board with “spray tans” instead. The tanned look is definitely more popular in LA, but in NYC there’s still droves of people heading to the beach to get some color. All of my friends in high school who were really into tanning look much older now because of it. But don’t get me started on American dermatologists. You have to get a physical from a regular doctor before even getting referred to a derm and shelling out $250 a visit. I’ll just stick with my Korean sheet masks and hope for the best.

  12. What about bugs or bug butes in Korea? Do they excessively protect themselves like they do from the sun, or are there just not a lot of bugs? Where I live, the mosquitos bite through jeans and the bites sometimes swell up to the size of a quarter! So does Korea get any pests like these?

  13. So here in Poland it is SO much different than in Korea.I’m not sure but maybe more similar to America…anyway, in Poland people sometimes even put tan on themselvs to have suntan. Some people go to solariums even though they know it might be the cause of a cancer. There is this girl at my school that has make up and everything but sadly she overused tan and now she looks rather orange than brown…It depends but generally Polish people like sunbaving. And one more thing, if you have an umbrella during sunny in Poland day you’ll look funny and stupid.

  14. So here in Poland it is SO much different than in Korea.I’m not sure but maybe more similar to America…anyway, in Poland people sometimes even put tan on themselvs to have suntan. Some people go to solariums even though they know it might be the cause of a cancer. There is this girl at my school that has make up and everything but sadly she overused tan and now she looks rather orange than brown…It depends but generally Polish people like sunbaving. And one more thing, if you have an umbrella during sunny in Poland day you’ll look funny and stupid.

  15. I would love to go to the dermatologist all the time. However, insurance only covers conditions that affect your life not cosmetic issues. :/

  16. what about hair removals … you only mentioned it ??? how it like there ???

  17. I have a question for TL;DR, In Kdramas/movies their is often gangs in schools and physical fighting between kids. Does alot of fighting actually happen at school? Also could you explain what Jjang means? I heard it meant the leader or best fighter. Is their one at every school? Is it just between boys or also girls?

  18. I actually used to go to a tanning bed place while i was living in Seoul
    It was in Itaewon right on the corner where the station is.
    I also recall a couple of other ones around there as well.

    I also recall most of the other people I would see using the sun beds were foreigners also.
    Yeah I don’t think I ever saw a korean going into or coming out of one of those rooms actually.
    Also i don’t do them anymore so nobody troll me about melanoma!

  19. Hmm, I’m trying so hard to see what responses to give to the questions provided above. I’ll speak based on my experiences living here (Dominican Republic) and the years lived in NYC. In the States is quite different – well, at least in NYC – when it hits summer, people do not hesitate to go the beach or the park – namely Central Park, for instance – to just lay down on the grass to tan for quite some time – and by quite some time, I mean it! – it’s crazy how people wait for that time of year to jam the parks and beaches just to tan! I used to hate summer over there – perhaps because of the overbearing humid weather – so I would stay home or stay indoors as much as possible. I live in DR now and people here are either naturally tanned or dark-skinned – there’re a lot of white people too. It’s crazy ‘cus I get mocked by my peers for being pale – I’m not even white, medium-toned to say the most. It’s not like it’s mandatory for you to be tanned here, but it’s pretty normal I guess. People here don’t really care much about sunblock or anything likewise, only if you actually go to the beach – I suppose. I guess because I live on the coast, in the capital – and we’re really close to the sea – that people really don’t mind much about sunblock or any kind of skin protector. It’s funny ‘cus some Asians here do walk with umbrellas when the sun is at its boiling point. Anywho, I’ve also noticed that skincare is not celebrated much here either – except, perhaps, girls of middle/high class but they just focus more on make-up. Regarding whitening cream though, do you guys recommend any brand in particular? I personally have this sort of not-that-noticeable unbalanced tone on my face.

  20. This is not a question, this is just something to add to Simon and Martina’s comment.
    They said korea don’t try and whiten there skin. But in some ways Koreans do.
    Because Koreans believe that only royalty have milky white skin, so everyone tried to have that.
    They believe back then, that only servants who worked out side gained darker skin, but since royalty stayed inside there skin stayed white. So Koreans kind of up hold that, where they believe that the whiter skin u have the better.

  21. Hey Simon and Martina! Growing up as an Asian-American, a lot of times I felt stuck between two different beauty standards. In the U.S, having tanned skin is great, but in the Asian culture I was largely raised under, (I’m half Chinese and half Laotian) very fair, light, skin is desirable. At one point I was just like, “screw it, I’mma just use sunscreen for health purposes and be happy with whatever color my skin naturally is.”

  22. I have lupus so i have to wear sunscreen all year round. I even buy sunscreen outside of Canada because it has higher SPF. My skin care regime consists of a lot of steps, and lots of UV clothing. I been looking for those ajmamma hats and arm sleeves for years. Can someone direct me to find them.

    Thx

  23. HI EYK Crew! I, like Martina have EDS TYPE 3 and even though I haven’t broke any bones. I can’t walk far and have to use a wheelchair for moving outside the house. I know that the subject may be boring or useless for some nasties but PLEASE do a tl;dr on disability in korea. Things like, are places accessible to wheelchairs, would it affect getting a job and peoples reactions. Love from Lauren in the uk!

  24. Id love to see a TL;DR on a related topic to this: daily Korean skin care. I have heard a lot about how intense morning and night routines are to keep their skin looking young and healthy. Here in America our products tend to use a lot of alcohol and we have a 3 step process which includes make up removal, cleanse and moisturize. From my research on Korean routines it seems they have a 10 step process including double cleansing, using serums and even mists throughout the day. Would love to hear you guys talk about this and even talk about popular product lines that you have tried and where foreigners can buy them to try out.

  25. But Lee Hyori and Rain once met at tanning salon. And we all know that Lee Hyori is coolest female singer Korea ever had.

  26. hey Simon and Martina,
    just to start off, I’m a HUGE fan of you guys and the whole EYK staff (especially Spudgy and Dr.Meemers). So I was wondering: What are your thoughts on EXO’s Kris’s lawsuit againts SMENT? I know that was a week or two ago but IM SO CURIOUS YEEAAAAHHHH!!! TL;DR would be very much appreciated! Thanks!!

  27. Cosmic Cat

    Oh boy tanning, ain’t that a fun way to spend the summer. I live in the UK and tanning is a big thing for the youngns. We only get like 3 days of summer a year so on a rare occasion of the sun appearing, we will all be outside soaking it up. This is probably why our skin cancer rates are so high. My mum one time said I need to get out in the sun and get a tan. The problem is I don’t tan, I burrrrrn! Personally I like using a gradual tanning moisturizer, as my skin is pale as eff, anything too sudden will look weird. Yes I have jumped onto the tanning bandwagon here. But only the safe way! Remember the three S’s: Slip on a t-shirt, Slap on a hat and Slop on some sunscreen!

  28. I think sometimes “whitening” really means whitening. I know that there are quite a few products in Hong Kong and China that are actually supposed to lighten your skin. I’m Chinese American and so pale I’m rather dead looking (I’m secretly a zombie). In the US, Asian international students will also comment on my skin colour. Whenever I go to Hong Kong or China, people will literally stop me on the street to ask what I use to whiten my skin.

  29. I was wondering, if you can do some TL;DR’s about rural life in Korea, do you guys know or met anyone who is not in a big city in Korea? Or have you ever been there? Everyone talks about Incheon, or Busan, or Seoul, but what about the less talked about places? I’m curious about those smaller cities.

  30. I’m from Connecticut, and a majority of the people around where I live like to go to tanning salons or simply lay out on the beaches to get tan. I, on the other hand, am very, very pale (to the point where my family makes fun of me sometimes and says that I look like a ghost) because I don’t tan easily and don’t particularly enjoy staying in the sun for long periods of time. I’ll be spending a lot of time helping my dad cut lawns this summer though, and I’ll be sure to remember to put on sun screen!!

  31. Hi Lovelies! A couple of my friends and I have been wanting to go to SK for a while now– what’s really making the trip more of a priority is your new coffee shop that’s coming (!!!)– but while we’re there, we were thinking about looking into dermatologists. To be completely honest, none of us speak Korean, and we were wondering if you knew any places that were more english-speaker friendly? I remember Martina talking about Juno hair salon– is there a dermatologist equivalent?

  32. This was actually very informative! I carry around sun screen with me all the time because I am so light. Got it here in Korea. It’s only May and i already got sunburnt one day walking around in Sinchon lol (on my chest)
    Anyhoo. I had no idea that the ‘whitening’ meant ‘tone evening’. I will not be so afraid of BB cream now! Maybe I will even start to wear it! MWAHAHAH!

  33. In the U.S., I believe that tanning is more popular than being pale or just ‘wearing’ their natural skin tone. Sunscreen and sun protection is becoming more prevalent than it used to be. There are many skin protection tips in magazines with charts to check moles and prevent them from becoming cancerous by going to the doctor to get them removed if they are possibly dangerous. I have never been to a dermatologist, but that is because it is really expensive, and it is seen more for one that has an issue like severe acne.

    I think in S. Korea, or Asia as a whole, that prevention is key in skin care. Sun protection and hydration to prevent aging, where as in North America it is more fixing the skin problems after they have happened, usually with anti-aging products targeted to women in their 30/40′s and above. Not so much focus is on sunblock and keeping a skin care routine from a younger age.

  34. Thank you so much for explaining whitening is the wrong term. I had heard it on a few korean dramas and it made me cringe just as tanning salons make me cringe. I just think it’s bad to chemically make the skin a different color.

    US is getting much better teaching kids about wearing hats and sunscreen. But only for the young grades. Rash guards, shirts to wear in the water are really common with the little kids at least. I don’t know if that training will follow through life?

  35. TLDR Question.
    In Canada (more specific BC) there have been for what seems like ages , been having issues teachers having problems with class sizes and pay issues. Have either of you experienced those issue in Canada and do teachers in Korea have the same issues?

  36. Im from Sydney, Australia and I remember when I was in primary school that I was not allowed to leave outside for lunch if I did not have a hat and put suncream on. But may be my school was a little different from other schools

    • Nope, that’s the Australian way. But comparing my skin to the beautiful Korean women when I am in Seoul, I have to admit there is something that they are doing (or have done) that creates that immaculate complexion. When I am in Seoul, I look old, wrinkly and haggard. But when I get back to Australia, I look fresh and I can’t get over how damaged and wrinkled some skin is!

      By the way, it would be great to do a WANK on ‘cosmetics street’ – say Myeongdong – and go through the different beauty, skincare and cosmetics places available and how they differ (or are the same!). Cosmetics shopping in Seoul is a really huge business now, and many Western countries don’t have these brands and people don’t know how good and inexpensive they are!

  37. hi!!! make a tl;dr if you can about anime in Korea…..or is it a Japan only theme.Cause in a video there were toys from one piece so is this common???

  38. I live in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and people here go to the beach at least once every one or two weeks all year if possible (not really a surprise) and can easily spend hours, maybe a whole day there. Tanned skin is a beauty atandard. I, for example, don’t like going to the beach so my skin is really white LOL. Because of that my friends and family think i’m strange, make fun of me, compare me to european foreigners and say that i was born in the wrong country.
    Some time ago people didn’t even think about skin protection, my aunt usually spent five hours in the beach and didn’t even use sunscreen. Now that skin cancer ocurrence rate is really high(although it is still much smaller than in the US), health authorities laucnhed a campaign to prevent it, plus now that most adults have uneven tones of (ugly)skin, teenagers seem to be taking more care.
    My dad, who is a doctor, says that sun exposure is what makes the occurrence of deseases so different between Brazil and countries like South Korea and Japan.Although the sun is bad for the skin, it’s great for the bones! Here, skin cancer is the most common type but the number of people with bone deseases,like osteomalacia, is smallI. In South korea it’s the oposite, people might have nice skin when they get older, but their bones get much more fragile.

  39. Also, my dad needs one of those UV sleeves. He drives all day with the window open with his arm resting on the window so his left arm is always so much tanner then his right XD

  40. I have always been cautious of the sun (I can’t sunbathe it is warm, sticky and I get restless really fast XD) but after I started working at a dutyfree store at an airport with mainly flights to the mediterranean and other beachy places, I have really stepped up my efforts protect my skin. Seriously, the amount ot leathery, dark, sun damaged skin that come through the store is terrifying.
    I come from Norway, where it is pretty much dark for 6 months of the year so when people go abroad or we have a decent summer,we tend to go a little crazy. And a healthy tan is still for many something to be desired. When they ask me for assistance I might try and slip into the conversation that most norwegians, (us being one of the palest countries in the world) should never wear anything lover than SPF15 ( in Norway) so when going to sunnier places 20 SPF is a MINIMUM if you want to protect yourself. But they pretty much always reply with a snort: “SPF 20? I’ll never get a tan with that!” and grab the SPF 6.. which is sad (and kinda frightning), considering Norway has one of the highest rates of skin and mole cancer in Europe :(
    There is also a strong tradition of sunbeds here, especially during the winter. Some use it to battle winter depression (again, dark, it is like GoT the land of eternal winter) but most seem to do it to keep up their tan or ‘prep’ for summer. And a lot of people also seem to not consider the sunbeds as “real UV” or “I am only in there for 10 minutes!” and therefore forgo SPF all together.

    BUT there seems to be a small change coming though, I have a few more people asking for higher SPFs now, especially from the younger generations, so yay silver ligning!

    And if I haven’t been depressing or scary enough, here is a picture of the kind of sun damage I see every day:
    USE SPF….!

  41. Most of these things count for Japan as well, and I have to admit that I only really started thinking about sun block when not going to the beach after I moved here. When we’re out with my in-laws, my father-in-law usually orders me into the shadows lest I get dark spots in my face. “You’re so young, you should be careful!”

  42. Laura Donnelly

    I live in a white-opia where there’s a rainbow of blondes and aging blondes. Whats funny though is that a lot of these people see tans as a good thing. Like, right now it’s prom season and all the girls are going to get tan either from spray tans or tanning beds. It’s kind of funny; like, “What better way to commemorate this special occasion than by getting orange?!”. They get it in spades later on though when they make the change from young blonde to mom blonde and they realize how devastated their skin is.

  43. Here’s another Norwegian perspective. Looking good, being fit or having great skin is becoming increasingly important/popular. Seeing a dermatologist/skin technician can be incredibly pricy, typically from 130$/100euro and up. If your skin is really bad and you need medication I think it might be a part of the health care system. If it’s just “regular” skin that you want to improve, be ready to dig up the cash. :( I would like to see a dermatologist often as they describe, but there is no way that I could afford it, perhaps in the future.
    From my experience, the opinion on tanning really depends on who you’re talking to. Personally I want to be careful with the sun to keep my skin healthier in the long run. There is still some status tied to having a tan since it symbolises how you have been travelling abroad and therefore you are wealthy. These days, nearly everyone can travel, so it isn’t a real status symbol any more, but it still there. Plus, there is so much more knowledge on how horrible excessive tanning and tanning salons are to your skin. Still, most people really do not care if you tan or not.

  44. Here in the heartlands of America it is the norm for females to be tan (particularly in the summer time). They don’t care if it’s fake or real, just that you have a “glow”. No, people don’t shun me for my paleness, but I’m kind of… obsessed (?) about wearing sunscreen if I’m going to be outdoors for any period of time. I remember when I was a teenager being all worried about finding sunscreen so I could swim in my friend’s pool. Everyone else just shrugged their shoulders and hopped in the water while I scavenged cabinets. As a teenager there was also the common thing with everyone that getting lobster red at least once a year as a right of passage for summertime. Yeah… I tried my best to avoid that childhood experience. Really, I don’t get it. Okay, so my legs are white enough to blind a person- I would rather be healthy.

  45. I have a Nepalese friend and her mum would protect herself from the sun with an umbrella/ parasol. So of course when she came to the UK her mum would get WTF looks. xD

  46. Hey Simon & Martina!
    I’ve always wanted to ask this question about Korea! (:
    How is the dog meat eating culture like in Korea? Is it very common among today’s generation of people? Do they serve it like a common dish in Korean restaurants? I’ve always wanted to go to Korea but my partner is a huge fan of dogs and he is quite scared of how the culture is like there. I don’t think he can bear the sight of dog meat on the streets!
    I would LOVE to hear your perspective on this topic :D

    • Difficult subject. I was on a food tour in Seoul recently and they skirted around the issue but showed us dog meat restaurants “if we were interested”. We all declined of course as dogs were pets and friends to those of us on the tour, but I think it is actually a bit of a thing in the food tour business for Western cultures. They seemed to put it to us tentatively but then withdraw it quickly when we weren’t interested — seemed to be testing the waters a little. They did show us the ‘secret symbols’ that certain restaurants use to indicate they have this meat available though. We were also offered the whole live octopus thing, which we also couldn’t do, but it is a very popular option in Seoul. The whole dog meat thing is a much bigger business now from what I have seen in China, although this is in certain regions and only based on my experiences there (pamphlets etc that are readily available). It is absolutely not my thing at all — but I am also traumatised still from seeing a man in the street outside my hotel in Beijing trying to sell a huge tortoise to passing motorists as a dinner option by waving it about in the street by its tail. I also actually can’t do live fish or crabs either to be honest, so I am very, very squeamish. So you have to respect the whole process of acculturation in these issues too.

  47. C. Snoopy

    I used to love being tan when I was a teenager. I spent a lot of time outside and playing sports, so being tan was normal for me. But when I entered university and went home for spring break my parents told me I had gotten really white. They complimented on how nice I looked and noticed how I had nice skin as well. Now, I don’t like being tan. I don’t like getting tan lines or looking dark. I was always pretty white, my parents told me how my sister and I had snow white skin and rosy cheeks. Its weird, I thought being tan was a good thing, but I know its not so good because it does age you. I really liked this TL;DR!! :D

  48. I live in the South in the US and I was actually badly bullied as a child because I was so pale. They would sing “Blinded by the light” at me. As I got older I started calling myself Casper the Friendly Ghost and they eventually shut the eff up about it. People still comment about my pale skin, but now it’s more with envy cause I still look like I’m in high school while others are already looking a little haggard.
    If I do go out in the sun without sunscreen I burn(Irish/UK ancestry) and then tan nicely(Native American ancestry) and my hair gets lighten by the sun. But I don’t like the sun very much because cancer isn’t on my to-do list in life. I always wear long sleeves or pants and when I’m not I always make sure to put sunscreen on. I have spf 100+ for my face and between 60 and 80 spf for my body.
    There was a girl in high school that literally looked like an umpa lumpa. And another who on her lunch break would go to the tanning bed. Tanning is HUGE here…and here I and trying to find a cute parasol for summer. I’d rather get stared at for carrying a parasol then look decades older than i actually am. Leathery skin will never be in people…just sayin.

  49. Most of these dermatological care are quite common South East Asia as well, but the awareness levels towards it are considerably lower than Koreans and Japanese.
    Over here(in Malaysia) mole removal stores claims that moles have a significance in our life depending on where they are placed. Eg; I had on my right elbow, and it says that that mole will cause me to run away from home lol. My sis had a mole near her mouth and it is said to be her ‘food-bowl’ in her life.

  50. Actually I live in Asia and most of the “whitening” creams are yes, to even out skin tone but also supposedly supposed to make you whiter. But what annoys me the most is when caucasian people say things like “omg stop trying to be white/caucasian”. Many traditional asian cultures do believe that “paler skin” is more beautiful and so many people want to be whiter but not because they want to be caucasian, if that makes sense. As somebody before me put well, Koreans like Caucasian skin because they like pale skin, because Caucasian skin is pale. They do not like pale skin because it looks more Caucasian, if that makes sense. Also in this sense it’s “white” not as an ethnicity but as a colour instead, just like ‘lighter’ rather than Caucasian.

  51. They don’t call it “weathered” for nothing. Freezing your skin makes it chipped. Frying it makes it red and stingy. Too much exposure to rough wind isn’t good either. Too much water wrinkles it and makes it fall off faster. So, yes, it’s logical that too much of anything is bad for your skin. But not enough is also bad.

  52. whaat about waxing ? i dont think i could live in korea if there aint nobody gonna do me waxing .

  53. Marzia Matalone

    uhmm…I think that their good skin could be indeed the result of some genetic predisposition…but I also noticed Korean people spend a lot of time and money caring for it, so it might be an half and half of a reason…as for the white skin and the level of skin cancer, well, here in South Italy we have a lot of different skin types, since our origins are mixed with mediterranean people, Middle East, North European and so on…but it is true that we like the sun and we don’t do a lot to protect ourselves, even if the danger about skin cancer, lately, is considered much more than in the past…so maybe the things are changing little by little…anyway it is not for an esthetic reason…mediterranean beauties are generally olive skinned…

  54. The typical beach look is incredibly popular in Australia and the stigma against sunscreen/block is here too. I prefer pale skin on myself since I dye my hair all these weird colours and it goes well with it. I think the difference between sunscreen and sunblock is that sunscreen still allows you to tan(???) whereas sunblock physically blocks the rays. I also found that a lot of the sunscreen is INCREDIBLY greasy in Straya while Asian products dry matte.

  55. Whaaat?! I’ve only ever been to a dermatologist like… once in my life, back in middle school, to try and find a cream for my acne. And nothing they prescribed worked, until high school when… DUN DUN DUUUN! Pro Active came out. That shiznit works son! Anyway, I don’t know of anyone around here that goes to a dermatologist regularly, except my Dad. He has psoriasis, so he has to go every so often to make sure it’s okay and such. One of my old bosses used to have eczema and would go to a dermatologist daily, too.

    But it seems here that people only go if they have a skin issue, like eczema or psoriasis or a weird rash. I think it’s interesting how people in Korea go regularly. In the US its just like, oh acne, big deal, you’ll grow out of it. I think here, we worry about wrinkles or ‘aging lines’ more than anything. And even then, there’s tons of make up to cover it up.

    I see so many shows on TV about people who obsess over tanning and it’s like, seriously, WHY? You’re gonna get skin cancer. It’s really fascinating how one culture views having darker skin as being pretty, and another views lighter skin as being pretty. Then again, it depends on each individual too. I’m sure there’s plenty of Koreans who think having darker skin is pretty, and vice versa.

    Me personally, I burn SO EASILY in the sun. Seriously, my body turns RED. its like my skin doesn’t know how to tan. It just turns me into a lobster. So whenever I go out and I know I’m gonna be in the sun for a while, I put that SPF 50 on. My Mom always teases me, but after we get home and she’s all OMG OW MY SKIN HURRRTS, I’m the one laughing and being all, >:D MWAHAHA I TOLD YOU SO!

    Speaking of driving and wearing those sleeves, that makes me think of a guy I used to work with, who went on a long drive with some friends to the beach and when he came back, one arm was tan and one was pale. No joke! He said his one arm had been in the sunlight while his friend was driving and the other wasn’t. It was so bizarre to see that!

  56. As someone who works for a dermatologist in CA that launched their own online skin care business and manages her social media/blog, I would say skin care is valued in North America almost equally to Korea for women (not men, they are still an enigma for the skin care industry here). However, the cost for high quality products is the main barrier from skin care being a common daily practice. For example: high quality sunscreens that are non-nano, oil-free or moisturizing, all natural or use only mineral physical broadband UV blockers (zinc oxides or titanium oxides, chemical sunscreens are rubbish) start at $20 for a 3.5 oz bottle to $30 for a 2 oz bottle. To truly protect your entire body, the average person should apply 1 oz of sunscreen to their entire exposed body parts. When a good quality sunscreen is $25 for a 3.5 oz bottle, it is not really affordable if it only last for 3-4 uses.

    Also when it comes to dermatology procedures/visits, as S&M noted, costs become an issue again. Since I get employee perks, I have had plenty of free laser treatments (BBL’s) and even a profractional to correct the scars/damage from an infection that overtook half my face. I never thought my face would look smooth again, but after these treatments my friends constantly complement my skin and ask what I have done. Once I explain the cost for laser treatments are in the thousands and products in hundreds, they suddenly go: “If I had the money I would take care of my skin, but I simply cannot afford that.” At that point, I try to direct them to the bare minimum products but then they miss out on some very effective products. Generally only older women have the kind of expendable income needed to spend on anti-aging skin care procedures and products. But by the time most people reach the age to be able to afford skin care products or trips to the dermatologist, much of the damage has already been done.

    Instead of dermatologists, most women go to aestheticians for skin care services since it is more affordable than a doctor visit and they get a “spa-like” pampering. We even have a medical aesthetician at our dermatology practice to capture this demographic of clients. At time, aestheticians can even be too pricey.

    Basically: Cost is why skin care practices are not more prevalent in the US at least, but this doesn’t mean people do not care about their skin. The psychological toll and impacts on self esteem from skin issues is astounding.

  57. I understand the “sunscreen situation” completely! I have really fair skin and even if I don’t burn, I’ll get sun freckles ;_; -le cry- So everytime I walk home or go out (even in Winter), I use sunscreen and/or a hat. Curse you Australian sun! (I don’t know if it’s because I’m part pale-vampire, but I get burnt sooo often in the Australian sun!)

  58. I tan just being outside, but I am naturally dark skinned. However where I am from a tan shows your status. I live in a farming
    community so the most common tan here is a farmer’s tan where the arms, neck, and face tan from working or playing in the sun. However the people who live up town have regular pass to a salon or Penn their own tanning bed. Here they like to show that they are trendy, have money, and/or they enjoy looking like leather. On the other hand I have been to a dermatologist and he told me to actually visit a tanning bed every now and again to keep my skin from being too oily. So they have health uses but most here they show status. #BlueUSNasty #Tennessee

  59. Mainy Åkerman

    Unless you’re naturally tan, where I live (good ole’ Sweden), you better be wearing sunscreen or you will become a lobster. We don’t tan here. We burn. We burn and shrivel up and then cry every time we move a limb. ._. Personally, I don’t like tans anyway. I like peoples’ natural skin regardless of what color it is or what it looks like. Tans feel like the sun flipping you off. Well, almost as much as getting a sunburn.

    Those comparison photos at the beginning were nice. Everyone needs a reminder that celebrities are always photoshopped. Someone mentioned how in Norway everyone races to get a tan. The same thing happens here but sometimes I wonder if the average Norwegian has different skin than us Swedes, because all my Norwegian friends successfully get their beloved tans and never get burned, whereas my friends and I get red and a heightened risk of skin cancer. Dare I say it’s because they’re a lot more outdoorsy, and now that I think about it a lot of pure-Norwegians have fairly dark skin. Not like dark-dark but definitely on the darker side of the pale spectrum. xD There’s actually a word for Norwegians who go against the stereotype of blonde-haired, blue eyed, porcelain-white skin; black Norwegian. I know, how creative. It has nothing to do with race though, or the “race”. But some people prefer to call “black Norwegians” chocolate Norwegians (don’t know anyone who isn’t a foreigner who uses that) or Jotunns because we hate to love our neighbors.

    It’s just what happens to people who live more up north. Yes, more north. Not as much cloud cover up there so there’s a lot more sun exposure. This goes for everywhere in the world that’s near the arctic circle or above! Actually, it partially applies to me too. I have very pale skin but black hair and black eyes. Shock!

    Now that I think about it, at least 3/4 of my Norwegian friends have tons freckles, too. Hmmm…

    Those sleeves look so silly! They’re like the sad cousin of fake tattoo sleeves. :( But at least they do their job, I suppose… By the way, how do you suppose us Westerners go about convincing Korean dermatologists and skin product companies to bring their stuff over this way? >>;; They’d be swimming in pools of cash for sure if they brought over their BB cream.

    • My dad was like that, he would always go beet red and insist it was a tan, it was pretty funny XD I am norwegian, but I have very fair skin even by Scandinavian standards so I burn pretty easily too.. (don’ like sun bathing anyway) but a lot of friends get nice tans. I think they might just have perfected the recipe of SPF and time in the sun or something. also, I don’t know how it is in Sweden, but sunbeds are huge here, so people get a lot of UV exposure during the winter as well, maybe that it why they tan so well?

  60. I’m a naturally dark skinned person so tanning happens on its own. However the type of tan you have here actually shows your status in a way. I live in a farming community and so lots of people here have farmer tans where mostly their arms, face, and neck are tan. While the more up town people have regular passes to tanning salons or own their own tanning bed. This tan shows they have money, are trendy, and or they enjoy looking like leather. I went to a dermatologist who a actually told me to visit a tanning bed every now and again to help my skin from being oily so I wouldn’t break out. So they have health uses but mostly here they are to show status. #BlueUSNasty #Tennessee

  61. I live in alaska and i resently went to the doctor because of low vitamin D. I live in a rain forest so i dont get much sunlight. We either have to tan or constantly take suppliments. Does anyone else have this problem?

  62. Martina! unrelated, but I saw you on the news here in NZ :O funny thing was was that it was about how teens should have permission from parents before getting tattoos(was showing footage of you getting your tat done)…and I was thinking “But Martina is in her early 30′s… ._.” Was still cool seeing you on telly though XD Did you give them permission to use your vid?

  63. I live in a tropical country and there’s only two seasons Hot or humid. Generally people in my country can’t give,i quote Simon’s wise words, “a rat’s ass” about it. They just couldn’t care less. I guess we’re pretty tanned over here so i guess our melanin levels are quite high and we’re more resistant towards UV rays. But yeah, I have never met a person who goes to the dermatologist for reasons that are not medical. I guess we tropics are hardcore ignorant sun-loving folks. Though I do put sunblock on occasionally…

  64. Hey guys, I live in South Africa (yes, you do have some nasties down here! :) and the whole you look better if your tanned thing exists here for the caucasians. If people are pale then people think that your anti-social or that your parents are crazy as they assume that you lock yourself in your room or your parents lock you up in there. Its the complete opposite for african people because the whitening (yes, like literally bleaching your skin to have a lighter skin tone) is somehow all the rave. If you have lighter skin then your seen as a reeeeeally supah supah beautiful amazing goddess who floated down from the heavens! Seriously africans are like obsessed with people having light skin. There was even a huge tabloid thing a few years ago with one of our celebrities who was under the radar for a few years, when she came back out into the public everyone was shocked as she had major skin whitening treatment, to the point where she didn’t look like the same person!!! I’m kinda dark in complexion myself but I’m not crazy! Getting proper whitening treatment is mad expensive and the back street/alley stuff is cheaper but it aint safe! People here don’t make a massive deal out of pimples, we just buy Clearesil or something, but having a tan or lighter skin tone can really make the difference between people seeing you as a dude on the street and the guy who just came back from visting his parents on mount olympus.

    • Mainy Åkerman

      That makes no sense….. So is the goal for everyone to have medium skin or for people to be what they aren’t and risk serious health issues along the way? D: Bleaching your skin is very bad for it and very dangerous! Same as staying in the sun without sunscreen for too long when you look like the white of paper. Urgh. I wish people would learn to accept their skin more…

      • I totally agree with you, it confused me a lot as well when I was a child but I came to the conclusion where I just think that its the case of ‘people wanting what they don’t have’ you know people with curly hair wishing it were straight and people with straight hair wishing it were curly. You also have to consider that people find it hard to accept themselves because society is always telling them to reach something unattainable. Anyways, we live in a ‘I want it and I’m gonna get it’ kind of society so yeah…

  65. i live in Puerto Rico so we are naturally tanned by the Caribbean sun wish i don’t like because i really wish i has my skin a lil more light. even tough this is a Caribbean island and there’s people like me who has a skin color like SIstar’s Bora or even Hyorin we have also black people and white people. we have some tanning salons here more in the city side of the island but people here just really enjoy getting their tanning on the beach wish is one on the favorite hobbies of us Puerto Ricans Going to the beach.

  66. @eatyourkimchi Hey guys i want to know if you could make a TLDR about if your planning to have kids and if is so will you raise him in koreaOr will you go back to canada so he could recive a “normal” education since i know korean schools are really hard

  67. Roxanne Stephanie Contante Cha

    there is a thing here in the philippines that if you have fair skin you’re more beautiful. So, some people, especially women, tend to drink meds like Glutathione to make their skin lighter. But the bad thing is people don’t consult their derma and just drink whatever brand of glutathione available in the market. and I therefore conclude that most people here just wanna look pretty but don’t really care about their skin health.

  68. hiiii~ for the next tl;dr can you guys discuss traits that make men ‘manly’ in korea versus north america?

  69. I have a question for the next TLDR! It’s a bit involved, but what really is the cost of living in Korea? I’ve been trying to draw up a budget for being there this summer, but it’s hard to figure out how much I’d spend on food, transport (public), cell phone plans, and whatnot. It’d be useful for the exchange students going or for people going to teach in Korea, and people planning to move there! Maybe also an idea of what taxes are like there, too.

  70. I live in Ohio, USA. I have a genetic condition that makes it more likely that I will get certain types of cancer, one of which is skin cancer. Therefore, I see my dermatologist regularly for check ups to make sure nothing bad pops up on my skin. However, there are so few dermatologists around that they book appointments up to 6 months in advance. They also have a “cancellation list” where if you need to be seen quickly, they will put you on this list and if someone cancels their appointment, the office will call you and see if you can come in at that time. Anyway, because of this genetic condition I always wear sun block and clothing to protect my skin from the sun, but most of my friends couldn’t care less about their skin. They never wear sunblock and many of the girls (and even a couple of the guys I know) will go to the tanning salon to tan. Being tan is very desirable here. I have seen many of my friends have horrible sun burns, and some even with sun poisoning, peeling skin, and blisters from having the top layer of their skin literally COOKED by the sun. I myself, being a 24 year old girl with freckles and pale white, fair skin, have had my share of sun burns too, but as I’m getting older, I’m getting much more careful and protect my skin much more than I did as a kid and teenager.

  71. This is what I’ve seen, but I would like to know if anyone else seen similar or different things. Here in the U.S. tanning seems to big deal, but also frowned upon. I have seen on TV where pageant moms would take their VERY young daughters ( around 7 years old) to go get a spray tan to look nice for an upcoming beauty pageant. But it seemed to be a certain group of people that cares about tanning. For example, Caucasian women seem to tan the most, from what I’ve seen. I’m Spanish but I’m pale. There have been times where a Caucasian girl has been darker than me because of their tan. But some people frown upon tanning because how you get tans aren’t natural and it’s not natural to change your skin color because those people prefer the natural look.

    As for skin care, it’s usually more targeted towards women, unless it’s acne, then men are targeted too. However, for the facial scrubs to get rid of acne, I find that for me, I break out MORE than before using the facial scrubs. There’s something in them that just causes me to break out even more, so I stopped using them. I still break out from time to time, but beats using Proactiv.

  72. Sun is radioactive here, we are actually in the middle of the world…happens that you can get sunburns even if it`s a cloudy weather (because the reflection of the sun in the white sky can make it even worst like a mirror). In Quito is cold during the day so you can be easily fooled, walking on the street between 11 am to 3 pm is deadly! (bad hour for photo shoots too) 15 minutes are enough to put your face like apple but people don´t use sun block or take care of that. Almost everybody likes to be tanned :( , bad for others who get freckles easy (like me) sunblock 100 is not enough and going to a dermatologist is expensive (yeah we have bad luck). In summer sun can be like magnifying glass chasing ants, if you leave your toys or credit card inside a car or in the yard they can be melted…true fact. Reporting from Ecuador…

  73. Hi guys,

    With Spring now here I start to see plenty of creepy-crawlies out and about. In my area I see typical roaches, moths, and spiders, also scorpions and the occasional snake. Thankfully I don’t have any rats (that I know of.) I was wondering, have you had experience with any specific types of critters in Korea? Is there anything you have to keep a careful eye out for? Thanks for all the effort you go through to inform, teach, and entertain with your videos =)

  74. sunnyhill

    In Poland people tend to have strong tan. They actually say, that tanned skin looks healthy and white skin makes people look like they’re sick. My skin is very pale, and my mom tells me every morning, when I go to work, that Iook bad with such a white skin and I should get some tan. Once, she even convinced my dad to tell me the same. All the BB’s and most foundations available in Poland are too dark for me, it took me some years to find one, that is matching my skin tone.

    • Mainy Åkerman

      That’s horrible! No mother should ever be so rude to someone, especially their child! :( I’m sorry that happens to you. Every skin color is beautiful, don’t let her get away with telling you otherwise.

      • sunnyhill

        You’re right, but she doesn’t mean to hurt me, it’s just that her idea of beauty is different than mine. I’m fine with it, I’m too old to take this seriously, arguments didn’t change anything, so my usual answer is just “yes mom, you’re right” and then I go my own way :) This way both sides are happy ;)

  75. I think good skin care is a thing throughout east asia and to a degree south east asia. My mum is viet and my dad is english so I’m naturally prone to tanning but I can have really pale skin if I want to (wooo benefits of hybrid genes). But my mum always since I was little emphasised skin care and to be frank I was teased for it imagine a tiny western looking girl walking around with an umbrella while all her friends played without hats etc. Australia has such a high rate of skin cancer but people still seem to have a luke warm approach to skin care. Which doesn’t make sense due to to the hole in the ozone on top of us. Plus tanning seems to be a national affair. Like I hear a lot of my friends purposefully going into the back yard (not only the beach) to add a little colour into their skin. I really don’t get that why would you want to burn your skin? Back when I did squad training swimming I was very tanned but now thanks to my lovely bb cream with 50 SPF and my trusty umbrella I’m as pale as my dad and frankly I’m happier, I feel my skin looks brighter and it is less prone to acne etc. Though explaining to my non asian friends that I prefer to be pale , hide under my umbrella and apply sunblock all the freaking time is like banging my head against the wall. There are a lot of ads in Aus talking about sun protection yet still tanning seems to be the trend. It is really frustrating!

  76. Sun? What is this sun you speak of?
    I live in Washington state in the US and its pretty much rain and gloom here 300 days of the year. We can’t escape rain and gloom even in the summer. While people were dying from and complaining about the heat wave in the US last summer, it was raining here in Washington state. Most people are pretty pale here. Most people with a tan either get it by going to tanning salons or it’s their natural skin tone.

    Whenever it’s a rare sunny day here I like to take advantage of it and will usually stay out for hours. I don’t usually wear sunscreen and I don’t know many people who do. I feel like a vampire sometimes when I’m out in the sun just because I’m so pale. I’m actually trying to tan right now by spending more time outdoors when it’s sunny. Some of my Asian friends who come from different countries find it odd that I’m trying to tan. They always tell me how jealous they are of my pale skin. Its weird because I hate my pale skin, and here they are telling me that they wish they had my skin tone.

  77. I’m sorry but I love the sun. I won’t purposely tan but I don’t wear sunscreen either. People usually think I’m 10 years younger so I feel that a little sun might help age me. The sun is actually very good for you. What isn’t, is the UV rays which is let in by the holes in the Ozone layer (yay pollution). And sunscreen isn’t healthy for you either. So it’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t kinda thing.

  78. In Australia out relationship with the sun is a little odd I think. On one hand you do have the tanned Aussie stereotype and like North America that tanned look is still popular here. However, on the ther hand the Australian sun is very strong (seriously even in winter it’s crazy) and in Queensland (the state I live in) we have the highest rate of skin cancer in the world because of the strength of the sun and people’s exposure to it. So people are very aware of that too. It’s a bit of a war to be honest.

  79. I live in the north of Mexico, and particularly at my city because it seems this doesn’t happen to neighboring cities, we have only two seasons, winter and summer. If it is winter, we stick to the sun and anything warm like lizards, and if it is summer, we avoid the sun at all cost, ’cause at worst case scenario, if you take your hand from the shadows, to directly under the sun, your hand will immidiately burn from how hot the weather is. IF we have any intermediate time, like the so called spring or autumn it will last only a couple of weeks and then you are hit be extreme heat or cold.

  80. I’m from the US where tanning is still big, but I’ve never been into it myself. I was taught from a very young age to keep my skin protected because my mom (who grew up in southern California during a time when most people thought the sun could do no wrong) got precancerous spots on her skin from having tanned so much when she was younger. she had to get them all frozen off by a dermatologist (not all at once, mind you. it was a pretty long process). luckily all of them were gone before they turned into actual skin cancer, but because of that my mom has always encouraged skin protection. I was the dorky kid putting on sunscreen at the beach, hahahaha.

  81. Simon and Marina’s skin is nice :D I love Etude House BB cream. It would be nice if you guys could talk about Kris’ lawsuit against SM and give us your opinion. I’m afraid though you guys would get into an annoying conflict with SM lol.

  82. Be honest Simon, are you wearing BB cream in this video? Because your face looks remarkably even, almost glowing.

    Caucasian girl from America here. I honestly didn’t care so much (or know much tbh) about skincare and how harmful UV rays were until I was about 20/21 yrs old. Since then, I do my best to put sunscreen on each morning. It has definitely helped that the beauty industry has made women more aware of how harmful the sun is for skin. More products have SPF in them now than they did when I was growing up (bb creams, face powders, body lotions, anti-aging lotions).

  83. Australia is weird in that we have hyper awareness of skin cancer as its so common here but a tan is still considered healthy and attractive. There have been a lot of media campaigns over the years to raise awareness and it has changed the beach culture somewhat but tans are still seen as healthy and there’s a stigma around being pale. Anytime I go to the beach in summer people shoot looks at my very pale legs.

    The older I get though, the less it bothers me. I’m happy to do my own thing and not get skin cancer or age prematurely.
    In terms of skin care, its the people I know who make their own 100% natural skin care products who have the most amazing skin. I’m talking about women in their late 40′s who look almost the same as they did in photos 15 years ago who have been using nothing but their own products for 20 years. There’s something to be said for keeping unnecessary chemicals off your skin.

  84. I wear sunscreen because I have super pale skin, and my mom was a redhead on top of that ( dad’s a blonde! ). I love wearing it because of the protection, but also… Hawaiian Tropic smells amazing. Seriously.

    In the U.S., we just changed the regulations about sunscreen. They aren’t allowed to call it sunblock, because it doesn’t block 100% of the sun, nor can they call it waterproof or sweatproof for the same reasons. If they protect both UVA and UVB rays ( “Broad Spectrum” ), they have to state it on the bottle. If they don’t, they have to put a warning label about sun exposure and stuff. They also can’t exaggerate the SPF, which is basically the same over 50 SPF.

  85. Basic Asian Skin Care MUST!

    sunlight causes 80% of aging skin problems.
    - wrinkles, spotes, color discoloration, or unevenness ect…
    - Were SPF 25 and above for everyday (winter – even indoor) and 50and higher for outdoor (summer weather)

    Exfoliate at least Once a week
    (Dry skin – 1/week, oily skin – 2/week, and domination skin – 2/week in T – Zone)

    Hydrate!!!!! Even oily skin needs to be hydrated!
    besides drinking lots of water you should also use a non alcohol toner to allow your lotions (generally for combination skin), gels (oily skin), and creams (dry skin) to sink in better and protect your skin!

    Eye Gel – It must be clear to be a gel. Gel don’t block pores especially important since the skin around your eyes are 10 times thinner than your face. So if you see little pumps or dotes under your eye than your either putting too much product on there, using wrong product, or putting your face cream to close to the eye area.

    Acne – when using acne treatments (usually contain 2% Salicylic Acid) make sure to use a Que tip to put on the places you need it (spot treatment) and ALWAYS were sunscreen on top of it in the Day to prevent the treated skin from getting darkened more.

    These are from my own experience and cause my mom owns a spa. Hope it helps!

  86. I live on the east coast of the U.S and I’m also Hispanic.Hispanic media here seem to from what I’ve observed promote tanned skin as healthy and fair colored skin as sickly. Many of the mc’s and celebrities get fake tans just to fit the image of healthiness and beauty portrayed. A lot Hispanic girls love to tan once spring hits as well as Caucasian girls.What I find interesting is that my family in particular follows the Asian tradition that fair skin means that you don’t do arduous work as my mother, grandmother and aunts compliment my fair skin often. I think it has to do that they grew in Latin America and they grew up seeing the upper class women with fair skin as they didn’t have to work in fields. To them fair skin means youth and wealth.

  87. Isabel Ruby

    i feel like japan is a less-intense version of korea in the skin protection field…. lots of girls carry around umbrellas in the sun, and sunscreen is a grand money-sucker, but guys don’t seem to give shit and it’s not as wide spread as korea. i mean, you’ll see the old folks with the funky sun visors, but…. it’s kind of too late for them

  88. I live in Japan at the moment, and they have the same feelings on the sun as the Koreans- for the most part. Some of the younger girls do get tanned, but it’s a small percentage. However, I have noticed more people with bad skin in Japan…

  89. As an Asian living in the United States, i find that Simon and Martina is making a point here..

    I am so amazed by some Americans here that are addicted to sun-tanning..for most Asians, tanning is a big no-no! Looking dark is not an option for most Asians. Most Americans often said “Wow, the weather is so nice! the sun is out!” while for most Asian, yes, the sun is a death-ray! The sun is out? my fellow Asians, let’s stay indoor!
    On the other hand, i think most Asians do have the addiction of making their skin “Whiter” in the past but lately, it they think that it;s so unhealthy..the trend to be as white as a vampire is not that popular for Asians right now..Martina is right, as an Asian i do prefer my skin to be glowing (glowing white of course) with a little blush of healthiness~ well, end of comment here! Martina and Simon, you’ve done a great job! Thank You!~^^

  90. I’m Asian-American (Chinese-Japanese to be specific), and as per fashion, all of my friends compliment my skin which has become quite dark because of being on a swim team. I noticed that my generation tends to prefer the tan-skin look, even if it’s a bit dark, in comparison to pale/fair skin. At the same time, while my mother is neither negative or positive about my coloration (maybe because she grew up in Europe), but my grandmother calls me an Ethiopian. (Yes, I know. WHAT?) Maybe she’s comparing my color now to my natural skin color (baby-butt white).
    From this, I noticed two things:
    1) America’s Generation Y has an obsession with fitness and see things like tanned skin as a reflection of one’s health and beauty.
    2) Older Asian people still very much take notice of skin color, quality, etc, even if they don’t have a preference about it.
    Bonus: Most American kids hate wearing sunscreen, but not because it’s lame- it’s because they hate the texture.

  91. Hey I’m from Germany! I don’t really think you can tan that well in Germany… I mean I don’t but I have a lot of friends who go and get fake tan every now and than,,
    But most people I know consider tan as really cool and pretty!

  92. In Indonesia, if you use sunblock or umbrella or any protection good on you, but if you just walk away out of your house with no protection whatsoever, it’s alright. so no big deal… Meanwhile, I find that majority of Australian people really love tanning… (I’m currently studying in Australia) and I was surprised here we have tanning lotion/spray. while in Indonesia we prefer to have more fair skin tone, so it was new for me to heard tanning lotion

  93. Karina Akira Reiny

    Hi guys! I live in the U.S and a lot of people are encouraged to go out and tan. I loved how you pointed out photoshopping celebrities in magazines and ads because it is a topic that really needs to be addressed. Right now, there’s a bill to cut down photo-shopping in U.S. magazines and personally it brings a whole lot of body image issues not only for women but men too. In addition I feel there needs to be a ban because it poses a fake image to those who desperately try to “become” like there idol/celebrity when in reality that is not what they look like. Children and adolescents are a major concern being influenced by this. I personally don’t want anyone to have body issues and develop any eating disorder to which I have fully experienced myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9AAo58Owjs

    As for whether a tan is acceptable, generally, Yes. As for me, I avoid the sun as if it were a plague. No seriously guys I am so sensitive to the sun. It’s a health concern for me visually (these eyes hurt and I can’t stay in the sun for long because I get easily dehydrated).For me especially, I am obligated to take care of how much exposure I have to sunlight by wearing protective clothing, and hydrate. One point I would like to make,you cannot avoid the sun entirely because you do need it to produce Vitamin D (check link here –> http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/vitamin-d-deficiency) . And so people do need sunlight to get Vitamin D, I mean a little tan won’t hurt you and so you do need sunlight in order to produce Vitamin D to help you :D

    (***I’m not a true professional so correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve learned this considering I have my own medical problems and my own experiences.)

  94. notice how yoon eun hye and jessica alba still look good in the “before” shots lol also yea clearly in the us tanning is a big thing with all the self tanners and stuff.. i personally don’t care too much i have accepted my paleness lol

  95. unicornsgalaxy

    Honestly, I kind of hate summer because I constantly get made fun of for being so pale. I do not like to tan. I didn’t mind it too much when I was little (pre-teen) but I hated that I freckled. Then I remember for like senior prom, I went to the tanning salon and got really tan. I think that was the last time I really got tan though. I’d rather be pale.

    Although, being so pale has some disadvantages. I went to the beach for a business trip (how awesome is that!) and the water was super clear. Well every time I looked down, I had swarms of fish around me. I think they thought my legs were like the mother fish or something. LOL. …Also, my mom just told me the other day “eww, you look like a frozen turkey, you’re so pale”. I was like…gee thanks mom! d(^u^)b

  96. So true. Actually my sister and me were talking about this and we came to the conclusion that korean skin care is a lot about prevention and make the skin healthier. That’s why they like moisturized and glowing skin. While here, only if you already see a problem in your skin you try to fix it or when people start getting wrinkles they go crazy and buy tons of products to erase them (I don’t even think that wrinkles are that bad, I know I’m gonna get them at some point anyway).

  97. I’m Korean and I live in Los Angeles, California and I have to admit being tan is definitely equivalent to being “healthy” (ironic, no?). But what’s interesting is I think I’m influenced by both sides of the spectrum (Korean and American). My mom tells me to put sunblock on everyday, even if it’s just to go to and from work. She used to say I was too tan when I was younger because I swam often. And she definitely has those sleeves for the car. Now that I’ve been stuck indoors, I’ve lost my tan, but she still get reminds me to wear sunblock all the time..

    On the other hand, my dad told me recently that I’m too pale now and look like I’m sick. Also, I know that my aunt goes to the tanning salon regularly and was envious of how tan I had been in the past. All the while, they’re still very strong proponents of sunblock too.
    SO I think the environment and beauty standards of where you live definitely play a role in what you’re aiming for. But I agree that the Korean people I know are very big on always wearing sunscreen.

    Oh and most of the sushi places (except like the really legit, expensive, “famous sushi chef” places) are owned by Korean people in California.

  98. I love that you guys did a TL;DR on this. I am kind of obsessed with skin care. When I went over to Korea, I was astounded by the sheer amount of PRODUCTS they use on a daily basis, and not just cosmetics- actual skin care stuff.

    I definitely stocked up and tried a more “Korean-ized” skin care routine and I really like it. Along with realizing that the sun is an evil death ray sent to destroy us all, Koreans seem to realize that prevention is key. I feel like, in the US at least, it’s mostly makeup that is emphasized until a certain age. Then it becomes anti-wrinkle, sag repellant, dark spot vanish-er! All after the damage has been done type of stuff. In Korea- and I am sure other parts of Asia- it seems like prevention and healthy looking skin is emphasized more.

    As for sunscreen us, I feel like it is gaining more momentum in the US. I just opened up my Glamor magazine to see a huge article on why sunscreen needs to be a part of daily skin care.

    My favorite excuse is when people go “but it’s not even hot out, why wear sunscreen?”

    Dear lord, the sun can still burn you even when it’s cold out.

    Tanning booths are still rampant though. Cancer coffins.

  99. I personally wanted a mole removed when I was ten because it was on my nose and it kept growing bigger. However, at the time I thought it was a freckle. So I asked my mom and she took me to the dermatologist to get it taken off with a laser. But then they broke the news that I had a mole on my nose and began to treat my mother like a stage mom who was trying to make her daughter look “perfect”. It got so weird at one point they asked me if I had named my mole!!! I was so dumbfounded I couldn’t respond. My mom being my mom then took me to another doctor and he made me wait three years to take it off because I was so young. When he did take it off he called me Rudolf, the white nosed reindeer…

    Overall, doing what I did isn’t too common in America. In fact there is kind of a social stigma about any kind of changing the way you look through surgery. In terms of taking care of your skin… well I’m from Seattle, so people using sunscreen isn’t common unless if it’s summer. Even then I forget because I’m so used to not using sunscreen. It’s not that I or anyone is against it, I just forget. In all honesty I need to put on sunscreen more because I do have such pasty white skin.

    Concerning suntan booths there are a lot around Seattle and I do know people who go to them. Recently though, there has been recent criticism against using them because of the cancers they cause being reported on the news. But I still see people getting tans on vacation or in a suntan booth.

    For teenagers there has been a lot of acne skin care products that have come out but nobody really goes to the dermatologist unless they have major acne problems

    Also, when I was in Japan I noticed everybody used umbrellas, even when it was sunny outside. In Seattle, we don’t even use umbrellas when it rains! Which is always…

  100. Wow ten bucks a mole! In the US the cost ranges from 100 to 500 dollars PER MOLE!

  101. Personally, I’ve seen an increasing awarenes in skin care here in the States. However that does not stop people from crowding into the tanning salons. I see that people know the risks of sun damage but just ignore them and lay in a tanning bed or out in the sun. While I enjoy the sun, I am very fair skinned and burn really easily. I wear sunblock on my face every day! And as we get into Summer I will start to carry sunblock with me to apply on my arms when needed. My family and friends make fun of me about it but I don’t give a flying fig newton because taking care of my skin is important to me.

  102. I think skin cancer is more common in the UK because the sun is so very rare. T.T
    So when the sun does come out everyone will spend as much time as possible outside because we don’t know when we’ll see it next. Or failing that, they go on holiday to sunny countries and make the most of the sun there.
    Usually were I live, we only get about 2-3 weeks of hot sun a year, sometimes only 1 week. (excluding last year due to the random heatwave).
    So we are not careful in the sun because we are not used to thinking about it being dangerous and see it more as a rare treat.
    That’s my theory anyway.
    Also, sunbeds are pretty common here but I don’t know many people who actually use them. Most people just fake it.

  103. To be honest it doesn’t surprise me that skin cancer is so high on the list for the UK, although really, we don’t receive thaaatt much sunlight. Here people will go to extreme lengths to get tans, especially in certain areas where sun beds are still soooo popular despite them being proven that they’re so bad for you. When you go on holiday its quite common for the brits to not put on much sun cream as well, as I guess we all want to come home looking beautifully bronze – however this often backfires and we normally end up looking like burnt lobsters – just a general observation!

  104. The unfortunate flip side of this, though, is a 64 percent rate of vitamin D deficiency in women and 47 percent in men, although this isn’t unique to South Korea what with the prevalence of indoor, corporate lifestyles nowadays. I have serious problems with the international “skin whitening” industry though — maybe South Koreans see it as innocuous, but the same companies selling them things (and in some cases selling Westerners things, one such being “Dove real beauty” parent company Unilever) are being very blatant in places like India, where they just outright run the commercials that say if you don’t bleach your face you’ll never marry a doctor, and marketing nipple and “personal” bleaches in Japan.

    • While I don’t know much about which foods have which nutrients, might there be a possibility that the typical Korean diet might influence the vitamin D intake? If I have been told correctly, more of your vitamin D comes from food and drink than from the sun.

      • Very possibly. There’s D in fish, for starters. (I’m reading this right now: http://synapse.koreamed.org/DOIx.php?id=10.3803/EnM.2013.28.1.12&vmode=PUBREADER )

        The sun seems to be the major source. I know that my dermatologist put me on D supplements because I am dark skinned, work indoors during sunlight hours, and live in a place with a substantial winter, the Northern U.S. There have been problems with kids of African descent, especially since schools are cutting down on outdoor play and a large percentage of kids of African (and Asian) descent have trouble digesting milk, so can’t benefit from the D fortified stuff.

        (I can do milk, but am not good at getting my butt outside when the sun’s out. Especially not in the snow!)

      • Nah, it’s the sun that is a major source. I grew up and currently live in the Caribbean and am black but I lived in the US for quite a few years for college. Many of my West Indian friends had issues with Seasonal Affective Disorder ( SAD) during winter because we had to stay indoors a lot during winter and we were of course used to a lot more sunlight. My friend even bought a UV lamp for her room to help combat it.

        It was something I wish I had been warned about before I moved there. I would have known to start taking vitamin d supplements to combat it.

  105. Can we just take a moment to acknowledge that green cream is a genius idea that needs to be brought to North America immediately, along with lavender blush, sponge cushions (is that what they’re called? Like the Etude House Precious Mineral Any Cushion.), and packaging that doesn’t fall apart the first time you open it.

    • if you have a sephora, theres actually quite alot of green creams that have been out for awhile, they come under the primers, but they literally cost more than twice of korean brands even though they have exactly the same effect, which is why i stocked up like crazy when i went to seoul for hols

  106. In Australia, having a tan is seen as a good/healthy thing however there are large rates of skin cancers, especially melanomas. According to the Cancer Council Australia “two in three Australians will be diagnosed with skin cancer by the time they are 70″. Because of this, there are a lot of sun protection and skin cancer awareness campaigns here like ‘Sun Mum’ – the most current campaign and older ones like Slip, Slop, Slap (feel free to google them). Despite these effects, a lot of the younger people still go out and get a tan by going to the beach and sunbathing or fake it with fake tan if they need to.

    Being a pale person myself, I often burn rather than tan and try to always be protected. I’ve also been teased for this before at school but as far as I’m concerned, I don’t want skin cancer later on in life so stuff them!

  107. You guys never ask questions that us Americans can answer… Discrimination! Lol jk I love you guys. But seriously, you already know about tanning in North America, sooooo…. I got nothing interesting to say lol. XD

  108. I’m just curious. If Simon and Spudgy were kidnapped by Dr. Meemers, who would Martina rescue? (keep in mind that she can only save one of the two). Haha i know its random but nothing can beat curiosity. Or am i wrong? *shocked horror face*

  109. I’m going to be honest I think I got more self- conscious about the look and health of my skin when i got into kpop. I never wore spf back in high school, but then noticed most Korean idols had EVEN looking skin. Korea has an overabundance of high spf moisturizers, sunscreens, make up products etc. While in the US, most of the make up and moisturizers rarely have a spf more than 15. I started realizing that my farmer’s tan needs to go so I religiously put on spf even though I may not be exposed to the sun for long periods. I wear those “arm covers” so I don’t get a tan on my left arm when I am driving around in the high peak sun hours. I hope starting now I can age gracefully.

  110. So since I live on a tropical island and am black, I get made fun of when I pull out my sunscreen. Especially since I have to use the white tinting zinc oxide stuff ( allergic to chemical sunscreens). On a day to day basis I use a bb cream with zinc oxide in it and for those days at the beach I go full force with my ashyfying white sunblock that makes me look horrible. But I don’t care. I got mole removal done last year and I don’t intend to have it done again anytime soon. But normally people here don’t use it. It is mostly seen as a ‘tourist’ thing. I can usually tell the difference between white tourists and white Bajans because white Bajans have the permatan that comes from living in the sun most of their lives ( and of course the more obvious Bajan accent).

    I also have a dermatologist here because I have had problems with my skin but it is not the norm for most people. But I have gotten lots of compliments from people about how bright and clear my skin has been looking. I also credit drinking tons of water for that.

  111. I’ve always been as pale as printer paper and wore a ton of sunscreen growing up because I burned extremely easily. It’s strange to hear that being pale is favored in other countries because when I was in grade school, middle school, and even high school I got picked on a lot for being so pale. People would call me a ghost, say I was “pasty”, tell me I needed to go outside in the sun every once in a while, etc. I don’t even live in a big city/coastal area of America. I’m from Kentucky. It’s like tan skin is considered the ‘healthy’ look here while pale skin is seen as ‘sickly’ and undesirable.

  112. Do you guys have any sunscreen recommendation? eg, what do these guys regularly use?

  113. at 28:47 and on they talk about male ideals and go on an adventure, but watch the whole video.http://youtu.be/ChPxXYMi0Nw

  114. This stigma is everywhere and covered up.http://youtu.be/0wWKjxxM6q8

  115. In Mexico,people like to tan, in my case I’m sooo white and stay as red shrimp. I also marks
    very easy, so now use sunblock . A year ago I started to use a Missha creams for the same skin tone and have been amazing, so much than my husband impact and asked me to buy him. So now we both care about our skin ;)

  116. CDs in cereal boxes? Ha. I’m so old, when I were a lad we used to cut 45 rpm singles out of the backs of cereal boxes. Those were the days… Meanwhile, as far as tanning, in the U.S. the tanning thing started in the early part of the 20th Century, where I grew up in the NY area, when boating became popular among the wealthy, who would spend their weekends out on the Long Island Sound and such on their boats and return Monday morning with deep brown tans. It was a status symbol and thus eventually spread down the socio-economic ladder.

  117. I don’t know why but in my head it’s always Martina writing the blogpost and then I read “I also had one on my chin, and at least five times a month, I’d cut it open while shaving” and I’m like…what is happening?!! And I get all confused and then angry at myself for forgetting that it’s mostly Simon writing these..

  118. Tanning is and has been a cultural and historical perspective of who, where and when.
    If you look in European and Asian countries (back in time)… being very pale meant you were of noble class or higher class, since you didn’t have to work outside in the sun. You could afford clothing to cover yourself and hire others to do the hard work for you.
    We live in the US (Seattle area) and really don’t get a lot of sun. Definitely not as intense as South Korea (places with 4 distinct seasons). Meaning in Seattle it’s overcast a lot or it might be sunny but not extremely hot.
    My wife is very pale and she doesn’t like being so pale but I love it (well I love her so she can be pale or tanned). But I have seen the detrimental aspects of over tanning. Leathery skin… to increase risks of skin cancer, etc
    The skin is there to protect you. One should not abuse it.
    I think South Korea has a cultural aspect both in recent history and from a societal standpoint that enables more people to take care of their skin. Instead of just putting on sunscreen for those “long trips to the beach”… it’s used for everyday regardless of where and how long. Plus the care of the skin is of higher importance.
    Most North American’s want to take care of their skin after the fact… but it sounds like South Korea is taking care as a preventative (before)… not retroactive or response to the damage.

  119. I used to like being tanned when I was in my teen age. I would tan untill I was milk chocolate colour during the Summer, and I would use special lotions that give your skin that tanned colour without any sun during the Winter, when there is no sun. And one day, in the age of 21, I ended up in cancer clinic. Doctors told me that black spot on my leg that started to hurt might be melanoma (skin cancer) and it must be remover immediately… In a couple of days I already was under the surgeon’s knife, but thank God, it ended well. Since then I don’t go out without applying sun protection cream on exposed parts of my body and I never tan anymore. And I think it’s great that people take care of themselves in advance and not after experiencing horrible things, like I did.

  120. I live in Southern California. what do u think the skin situation is here? Beaches, bikinis, tanning salons….everyone in my college is golden skinned practically. <_< except the Asians lol. I saw once these Asian girls but they were dressed in black and they were so white they looked like ghosts o_o I thought it was a bit much. but I understand; it's a cultural thing.
    but wow guys, this makes me feel like I have to see a dermatologist or at least try to get a facial or something?! o_O I have BB Cream though, I love that stuff cuz it definitely evens out my skin tone. u know this skin-tone thing leaves me conflicted too cuz I think "Hey, do I wanna look flawlessly tan w/ my fellow Californians? or do I wanna appeal to the Asian crowd and go w/ white skin?" I try to keep a happy medium.
    then of course there's the car windows-arms thing u mentioned. Ok, my windows aren't tinted AND I usually have them open with my arm hanging outside o_o so usually my arms are golden….I feel like I should protect my skin better guys.

  121. OOOOOOOklahoma where the wind comes sweep-…. *ahem* I live in the panhandle of said state (directly north of Texas) and pretty much EVERYBODY is tan. Tanning salons are about as common as convenience stores and quite a few people have Native American blood so they get really dark really fast. It’s kind of funny because everybody is so dark- even the white kids are as dark as Mexicans- I almost get made fun of because I don’t go outside or tanning. Plus, I think it might help that it rarely rains and clouds are only seen in the evenings or at night.

  122. I think the cancer thing can be genetic as well. I don’t think that all these artificial cosmetic products with a thousand different chemicals are good for anyone’s health. Maybe not skin cancer but you can get a gazillion allergies and other type of illness yu wouldn’t think about. I use a face wash because regular soap is too dry for me, but I refuse to use all these “moisturizing” day creams and night creams and eye creams and whatnot. I think most of these are utterly unnecessary for your skin, a large large portion of cosmetics is just targeted at your wallet, that’s it. If you want to moisturize your skin, DRINK A LOT OF WATER, instead of putting a hundred different type of creams on it. If really necessary, something organic like shea butter might do once in a while but NOT every day, multiple times a day. That’s my philosophy. I might not get a perfect looking skin like a K-pop star but at least I get less chemicals *under my skin*. :)

  123. Samantha Walford

    In the UK alot of people under the legal age of 18 go on sunbeds in order to feel more confident. 70% of people want to be tanned according to a certified site. I have also heard my friends say ‘i feel ugly, i need a tan’ or ‘Going on a sunbed. Yes!’ even though they know of the health disadvantages, as Cancer Research UK states ‘ when it came to the health risks, most teenagers knew about the potential dangers but were happy to accept or ignore them’ In schools alot of people use fake tan, or dark makeup that makes them look orange as it’s the ‘popular’ thing to do and it makes them more confident. [I'm not saying everyone.] I have even been playfully mocked by my family for being pale. So skin cancer being high on the list in UK does not surprise me.

    I loved this tldr! I always feel Koreans have great skin and a great outlook on skincare (Is the largest organ in our body you know) I feel like i need to go to Korea for the sole reason of skin care.

  124. Hihi!! Question for TL; DR over here!:D I was wondering if while you were teaching you noticed anything about what makes a student ‘popular’ and if it’s at all similar to western countries? Do they have to be smart or good at sports? From my experience it seems to be more the girls who were extroverts and social and boys who had Bieber hair. Is there any noticeable difference?

    • That’s a really good question as well. Hell! What makes a Korean student popular and how is it different from Canadian students? Hmmm…

    • thats is a really good question! I hope it gets answered. I’m Australian and here it’s usually the tan, blonde, sporty boys that purposely do badly at school, that are most popular and the girls that are popular are also sporty, blonde. I went to Korea for a year (international school) in year 9 and it seemed like the smartest kids were usually the most popular (opposite from Australia!) But also the boys who could fight best. Though the classes had a sense of unity that we just dont have in Australia, i really miss it.

  125. LAWLZZZZZZZ. Thanks for mentioning my comment! I’d like to clarity that my nick name is Nannon, and i am awesome, therefore hence my name is Nannonator.
    Real talk tho i was totally eating a banana when you said that.

  126. Even black people are geting tanned i DK!! ahah We love taking sunbath ;)

  127. Let me just start out by saying, there is a tanning salon within walking distance from my house. People (around the Southern California area at least) seem to love doing that. I remember going to prom last year and seeing girls go from super white only two days before then turn into bronze statues for the dance. Even when I was walking around my college campus yesterday I saw a guy (who was typically 20 shades lighter) get stopped by a girl and she asked if she could steal his tan.

    Now me, I happen to be pretty darn white, so the sun likes to turn me into a lobster from time to time (or give me a farmer’s tan T_T). I have learned to either wear sunblock when I’m out in the open for long periods of time or I find a shady spot so that my arms don’t become darker than my face. I also quit using foundation for my face (because I prefer not to) and switched to a “moisture tint” that has SPF 15. And I soooo wish that I could find scent-less sunblock in stores around here so that I wouldn;t have to fear getting odd tan lines. (X_X)

  128. Here is my question for a TL;DR!
    You mentioned in one of your videos that dental work is quite expensive. Could you talk a bit more about dentists in Korea as a whole? Also, are braces as common in Korea as they are in North America?

    • Hmm. Interesting! Martina had to get a root canal here, and it did set us back quite a bit. We’ll look into the topic more :D

    • I actually just went to the dentist! Seems like there was a lot of options for cosmetic dentistry, and even with insurance it (regular dentistry) is expensive. Not as expensive as the US (700 for a root canal vs. 1500-3000 lol) but fillings are expensive too (because they only use white. Don’t want mercury in their shop. At least where I went)

  129. Hey, I was wondering what those Korean face masks do for your skin, and why do girls always wear them in Kdramas? Do people use them a lot in Korea do people use creams more?

  130. I live in Houston, Texas, and what I noticed is that if prom or a big dance is coming up, a bunch of girls will go get spray tans, so they can look good for the dance. Im not sure why but people here HATE being pale. Some of my pale friends are really pretty and they always look down on themselves for not being able to tan.

    • yeah but you run the risk of showing up looking like you work for Willy Wonka….

      • Very true, I don’t like it when my friends get spray tans.

        • My poor silly daughter got one a few years ago right before she had to be in a wedding….she was in a panic. The orange just didn’t go with the lavender dress at all. She bathed and scrubbed and scrubbed for days and it just didn’t do any good. Naturally that was the best damned spray tan money could buy. It lasted for weeks….I can laugh about it now but oh the angst….

        • The same thing happened to one of my friends. I believe that people should be more confident in how they look, even if it can be hard at times.

        • There used to be a tanning salon in every strip mall. Now I do think more people are deciding not to tan. Fifteen or 20 years ago tanning beds were at their peak. I think awareness is up quite a bit about the dangers. Also a lot of celebrities choose not to tan anymore which will make it more acceptable for the public to be pasty.

        • Thats great there are less tanning salons. Doesn’t it increase a persons chance of getting skin cancer if they are in a tanning bed to much?

        • Absolutely.

        • It was really nice talking to you.

  131. Macie Tonn

    US dermatologists~ if needed is going to be pricey (shocker, right?) As far as skin care in the Midwest goes (from my personal experience and having acne since age 10 and severe in the teens) sadly I have spend *a bit* of money on my skin. Visits alone (with insurance) are going to be between $20~$40, and treatments/medications range. For example a Microdermabrasion was $150 a pop, and I had to get 5 to see the affects…Ouch… And going to a skin doc for something, like acne, is going to be a bit of experimentation with them trying to figure out what is best for you (naturally) PLUS the fact that the pharmaceutical sales market are breathing down their necks to get their medications (and samples) out there! So they may recommend medications and treatments for you that MAY NOT even be *the best option* for you specific skin issues…yeah. It’s an experience… as an oily skinned American, you hope you only have to go if truly necessary~ :P

    • Absolutely…it’s about 100 dollars a mole to have them removed…just with that little can of freeze stuff…just sell me the can and I’ll get someone to shoot me with it…

  132. Koreans know that the sun is a death ray but soju is like mother’s milk. Did anyone check the rates on liver disease, stomach and esophageal cancer. Oh well, at least they’ll look good in their last photo….

  133. People make fun of me when I use sunbrellas here in Vancouver T.T but I must protect my skin from the evil sun!! Also would love to have a dermatologist, but I’m pretty sure the prices here would just be ridiculous. Just another item on my to-do list if/when I visit Korea!

  134. I’m from Miami and you kind of see both extremes because in some Latin cultures whiteness is praised because it’s supposed to mean you’re closer to European ancestry which usually mean in your home country you probably had a higher status. At the same time being tan here means you had time to go to the beach and is seen as a symbol of status. Also, I totally relate to your story Martina I was always wearing sunscreen on school field trips and people just kind of made fun of me, but I think people here tend to forget we live in the tropics and the sun is a death ray, which is why skin cancer is so common here, and sadly people don’t take it seriously.

    • Mariam Watt

      I live in MIami too- and I see plenty of people using sun umbrellas. And walking around in pants and long sleeves- but that could also mean they are better adjusted to the heat than I, who swelter when its 82 outside then pass someone in a flipping sweatshirt.

  135. Just fyi sunblock and sunscreen are 2 different things. Not many people know the difference.

    Sunblock creates a physical barrier between your skin and UV rays. The active ingredient is usually titanium dioxide or zinc oxide. Even though this type is a little harder to use as it is thicker and can sometimes leave a white cast on your skin, it is much healthier for your skin and the active ingredient doesn’t break down over time. You only need to reapply when you’ve been sweating or been in water, or rubbed it off somehow.

    Sunscreen uses chemicals to absorb the UV rays. It won’t leave that white cast on your skin, but then again you need to reapply much more frequently because the chemicals breakdown fairly quickly. There is some evidence that suggests the chemicals used in sunscreen is unhealthy for your skin and may actually contribute to getting skin cancer.

  136. Tanning is big here in Utah but I am one of the ones caking on the sunscreen I burn quickly and it doesn’t even turn to a tan it just goes back super white again. If Any one laughs at my vampire legs I just laugh.

  137. I use a skin “lightener” now but that’s because I’m old and have sun damage. I think maybe if they called it lightener instead of whitener, often they are called “fade” creams. I use one that has been around for years and marketed to African Americans. Black women I work with have used these products for years. Not to be white but to diminish the look of acne scars and even out their skin tone. I’ve been using one on my face and tops of my hands now for several years. I mix it in with my moisturizer even though you can buy it now with a moisturizer in it. I also use BB cream but BB cream in the U.S. hasn’t caught on and doesn’t have a skin lightener. It’s basically a tinted moisturizer with 15 SPF. I’ve started using an SPF moisturizer on my entire body every day now. I have no desire to bake in the sun and never really did. I do still have sun damage anyway. Believe me it makes a huge difference a few years down the road how much sun you get. You may not notice until you hit your 40s.

  138. Here in Portugal is BURN! The toastier you look the better (or at least that’s what the majority of the population seem to think). You can find tanning salons very easily and the trips to the dermatologist are mostly made to treat/remove skin imperfections. Luckily for me, this year there have been more rainy days than sunny ones so people are whiter than usual. As a naturally pale girl (that’s been taking better care of her skin recently) i don’t feel like the white part of an oreo cookie whenever i walk around anymore XD

    • Claudia Carvalho

      Oh boy, it is always the same thing around summer time in Portugal. Everyone going to the beach and turning into a lobster. I like the beach, I just don’t like getting tanned. Sunblock max protection for me. Of course I always get those comments “oh you look so white… are you sick? You should get some sun, it would be good for you” …. great thanks e_e

    • it’s the same in spain
      After summer break everyone’s comapring skin tone to see who’s more tanned lol

  139. Hi!
    In Spain we like to be tanned, as I think Don Tantan from Philipines said, we like to be morenas/os (is a Spanish word). and how we think about the typical Spanish woman/man, like Penelope Cruz or Antonio Banderas. So, many people likes to stay sunbathing during hours. But, commoly we use sunblock during the year, or at least I use it.

  140. I’m a major sunscreen lotion advocate. I don’t push it on my friends, but my BB cream has that SPF stuff, my powder has SPF, I have facial sunscreen, powder sunscreen, and sunscreen lotion. This is mainly because I don’t tan….I burn and I freckle, and then maybe I’ll get a tan, but it could be just millions of freckles LOL.
    I’ve actually had my friends try and challenge me to “who is the whitest person?” and I always win. In fact, I beat Jay Park by just a smidge. (True story!)

    Simon + Martina: how did the mole removals heal?? I’ve heard that usually there’s a little scarring??

  141. In England you see a lot of people going on holidays just to get tan, since sun here is a rare occurrence, however majority chose to use fake tan as a replacement which doesn’t usually look nice…actually it never really looks nice XD There are a lot of tanning salons but the don’t really look very busy so I’m assuming year there are not many people interested in that sort of tanning ^^ majority of people on the streets are just chalky white to be fair, unless their ethnic heritage gives then that olive skin for which people would kill for XD There isn’t really a standard of beauty linked to the skin tone since England since there is such a variety of ethnic backgrounds ^^ also, if you are really pale, It is absolutely necessary you have a suncream for that one day in the year when it’s actually sunny XD

  142. PunkyPrincess92

    i see MINHO~HO~HO~~~
    hehe i like Etude ads!!

    oh…i thought they really did have whitening products!
    when i was in Bangladesh on holiday as a kid i remember watching adverts showing how your skin will turn whiter if you used this certain cream or even soap, back then i just used to think ‘why don’t we have this this in England?’, not in a way that i thought people should use it, i grew up in one of the most diverse areas in England so skin colour was not something i first noticed of people (if that makes sense), i just remember thinking of it as an invention and why has Bangladesh got it and not England ahahah!!

    ZOOLANDER!!

  143. Story time:
    For me living in the US being tan is a big thing but I don’t tan. To be honest I don’t do well in the sun or heat. I have to wear sun screen all year round and if I’m going to be outside for hours I need to have an umbrella. So for others to see this on the east coast its really weird. I get made fun of all the time because of my pale skin. Yesterday actually i decided to wear shorts and I had a bunch of people come up to me and tell me I need to tan. I guess my pale legs are blinding lol.

    • I KNOW! I get that too! Every time I wear shorts in the summer I have at least one friend that tells me I need to tan because I look like I have vampire legs.. but I don’t tan at all! I’m either pasty white or lobster red. No in between colors there.

      • Same here! But after a while I just tell them that I will have amazing skin when I’m older and I don’t have to look like a old leather couch.

        • Besides if you’ve ever even tried to tan once you’ll know that the hardest place to tan is your legs…..you will fry your face, arms, back and chest before you even get pink on your legs….One terrible hazard of suntanning is also the chest….a woman’s chest can get really leathery looking pretty quickly if you keep letting it burn year after year….

      • Concrete…If you live in the city it is pretty bad when your legs are the same color as the sidewalk….

  144. Finding the right sunscreen for my pale skin here in Belgium is just horrible. Everything above spf 20 ends up being incredibly sticky and it clogs my pores causing breakouts. Is sunscreen in Korea the same or do you have these magical sunscreens that melt into your skin yet still give enough protection?

  145. should I be concerned?!? I have loads of moles.. including on my face!!!.?!?! :

  146. Tanning now has negative connotations here… That’s because there was a big boom in fake tanning (since England is like a sun-less hole -.-)
    I don’t know if its just in England, but people who get really over the top fake tans usually have a “ew gross you look orange” reaction but that’s because people go over board with it (Google Essex fake tan and you’ll see.)
    But then it gets worse and some people (mostly girls) then get a bad name attached to them – “Look she’s got a fake tan, she must be a slut.”
    Which is awful really :/

    • PunkyPrincess92

      England is a sun-less hole??
      not for me the past few days!!!! i’m jumping under any shade i can find!!

      • It has been where I live!! For no reason at all the sun has decide to skip my town -.-
        And you have to admit if we do get any good weather it doesn’t last for long X(

        • PunkyPrincess92
          PunkyPrincess92

          oh….well then maybe it’s our areas!
          cos god i hate the summer!!! *comic book guy voice* WORST.SEASON.EVER!

  147. OMG yay someone else who pick at there significant others face for pimples and what not Lol my boyfriend thinks I’m weird cuz I do that a lot

    I don’t mind going out in the sun but I like slather sun block on Cuz I tend to burn then tan and my mom always made sure I was protected by the sun I guess that explains a lot cuz my mom is from Korea and she always flipped out in the summer when I was younger never understood why until now

    She also but a lot of cream on her face she had like 7-10 different face creams and lotions it was crazy

  148. Jessica Nunes

    try to live in Portugal! you can’t survive the summer without your friends ‘making fun’ of you because you’re not tan, when the school/college starts at september you only can ear ‘look how tan I am’ or ‘you look so tan, so pretty’ and comparing arms to see who is darker. the weather is changing so much that last year you could go to the beach at october so you almost look tan at christmas which is really weird ahah

  149. So glad you guys talked about it because I was also curious. One thing
    you didn’t discuss though, which I’ve seen on lots of dramas is like
    that water in a bottle they put on their skin? I think it’s called like
    emulsion or toner? I also noticed they use like air purifier to moisten
    the air when they’re sleeping sometimes. I have a question though –
    maybe you could make another TLDR about this because no one seems to be
    able to answer it.
    WHERE DO KOREANS GO TO GET THEIR EYEBROWS DONE?
    I’ve heard that some just use those straight shavers and do it
    themselves and that they avoid waxing because it could cause wrinkles. I
    just want to know because I’m terrible at doing it myself and their
    brows always look so perfect!! Also is hair removal cheaper there than in North America?

  150. I live in Texas, land of the sun. Here, being a certain level of tan is considered “healthy” and “pretty” and whatnot. People always comment on how white I am. But I HATE being sunburnt, since I’ve had it quite bad before. I do not know anyone who uses sunblock on a daily basis. It’s incredibly uncommon. My mother never ever uses sunblock and tans
    pretty much every single day if it isn’t freezing outside. Luckily I use Korean BB cream (Missha) which has pretty good SPF in it. I wish the United States had more products like this that were actually somewhat beneficial to one’s skin.
    Even in Texas there are a lot of tanning salons. However, at least from the people that I’ve encountered, no one ever uses tanning beds since they are so dangerous. Spray tanning is still rather popular however. Although if discovered that your tan is fake, society here likes to frown on it.

  151. I think most people guys and girls in the states just don’t know how to take care of their skin! You see all these acne commercials but half the stuff doesn’t really work. Besides that everyone has different skin types and skin issues. I don’t think most people are educated enough on their skin and what they can do. It’s also so expensive to go to a dermatologist! I’m sure if I went to Korea I would be obsessing over how bad my skin looks compared to everyone else. Being tan in the US is seen as a good thing. People think it’s weird when I apply sunscreen and I’m not going to the pool or beach. Being from a Hispanic background I can easily tan but I choose to stay out of the sun. People tell me I’m too pale but I’d rather be pale then get skin cancer or early wrinkles.

  152. This is kinda funny since I got burnt yesterday while going on a walk XD ok anyways, I’m from the US and personally I don’t like being tan but I burn/tan super easily so it’s inevitable for me and the only way for me to stay untouched by the sun is to…well literally stay untouched by the sun. So story time, my bro who is in HS said that there are a lot of orange females because of the excessive tanning from salons and I just don’t get how that’s a good look.

  153. In Romania parents usually tell their kids that sun does wonders for bones and skin, so growing up almost every summer we would go to the sea side and return burnt. Literally. Our best friend would be aloe gel afterwards LOL of course in the countryside where people work the fields they automatically get crazy tan with stripes from shirt sleeves :-P and no one uses any lotion if they are heading to the fields. Hats and water and prayers to God :-P there are plenty of tanning salons offering all sorts of deals, like minutes free for students, or get bonus minutes if you bring a friend along. And yes, young people do consider tan to be sexy. Isn’t it funny, in the country of the pale Dracula people wanna be tanned.

  154. The tanning culture is very real in the states. I have a few friends who still use tanning beds (the coffin ones that are guaranteed to give you cancer). I’ll never understand that. But I’ll admit that because I don’t naturally tan, when I go to the beach I’ll slap on a boat load of self tanner before putting on sunscreen.

  155. I’m from the Netherlands and having a bit of a tan is considered healthy here and having white legs or arms with shorts/dress whatever is kind of considered ugly quite a lot. So many people spend a fortune on tanning spray, tanning salons or spend hours baking in the sun.
    As for myself I’m really pale and people have asked me if I’m sick when I wasn’t and last year someone made a comment my legs can glow in the dark because they are so white. I take sun protection seriously. During summer or sunny days I always use sunblock with a high SPF as body lotion and apply a special face cream with a high SPF on my face and my normal face cream does contain a bit of SPF too. There is no way I go outside unprotected when it’s very sunny because I turn into a lobster very quickly. I tried tanning spray because people said I should give it a try but that turned me into a cow so I just stay pale and I’m happy with it. I also have a slight allergy to the sun so no the sun isn’t my best friend.
    Ohh and people always think I’m at least 7-8 years younger then I actually am, no wrinkles what so ever yet.

  156. Here in the US, I have been having a problem watching YouTube videos because of a problem with Google Syndication (or something) . I did a search and found that Windows 8 has an Add-On that blocks Google. I added this block and now have no problems watching YouTube videos. However, I wonder if this block affects EatYourKimchi rankings as I am no longer shown by Google as watching your videos. I do not want to take the bread from your mouths. What should I do?

  157. Cyber_3

    Heh – love the vampire sun – “Your star – it burns me!”

    The funny thing about me and skin care – I totally didn’t care most of my life. I think about caring a bit now that I’m in my 40s but….I’m lazy. My husband (definitely NOT a metro-sexual) really surprised me when we started dating because he has skin products and accessories (tools?) galore. See, he worked in a really industrial environment (foundry then powder paint coating plant) and that stuff will ruin your skin and make you itchy, etc. etc. so he exfoliates and creams, and soothes and sunblocks not just his face, but his whole body. I feel really ungirly next to him sometimes but he lets be borrow his expensive stuff so *marriage bliss!*.

    Now, my skin isn’t awesome, I have to at least wash it a bunch to keep it kind of clear but probably part of why I was turned off the whole skin care thing is that my mother’s family are all sun worshippers (in the 1970s sense). My Mom would be outside in Canadian winters sun tanning at least her face and hands and in the summer: it’s full body mayonnaise all day nudeness that, even though she has a smokin’ body, it really stank and turned me off the whole thing. At least the mayonnaise undoes the aging the sun has done to her skin but it seems like a constant battle. Her Dad also has had several melanomas on his head over the years due to heavy suntanning, even though he puts a facecloth on his bald dome but he doesn’t seem to care (just cut/burn/laser it off and move on). I sunburn very easily myself (totally fair-skinned) but I’ve learned that the SPF scale is more of a logarithmic thing so that using SPF60 instead of SPF 15 only gets you marginally more protection and yet has much more harmful products in it. I’ve started using SPF 30 these last couple of years and I’ve actually seen better results than all the years I used SPF 60-70. The Neutrogena non-oily formulas are excellent and they absorb right in. I will have to try that green cream, it looks interesting/useful.

    Having mole removal at that cheap price and convenience is awesome. I have a couple I’ve considered removing as I age but it’s minimum $300 per mole and you have to go through the whole doctor referral process, etc. etc. and that’s even if you’re suspicious that they are becoming irregular.

    Cyber_3 – can’t stand mayonnaise – 1 jar for Mom, 1 jar for sandwiches, which is which? You only know when you find the pubes in the jar – ewwwwwwwww!

  158. To get tan is the biggest priority for many Norwegians during the spring and summer. As soon as the sun is up after 6 PM (yes, the sun sets at 3:00 PM during the winter) and the temperature gets above 10-13°C, it is an implied competition to get as tan as possible. The first opportunity after the winter is during easter break, when most Norwegians go to their cabins (not really a good English word for it) in the mountains to enjoy the first glimpses of sunlight (and go skiing, eat chocolate and read criminal novels, but that is a story for another time). Then after the easter break, everyone goes back to work or school with sunglasses tan-lines in their faces.

    • Umm…that’s snow. People are…laying in bikinis in the snow. Isn’t snow cold?

      • With our viking ancestry, snow feels like laying on a thick layer of marshmallows (room temperature).

        • This sounds like lies. Delicious, delicious lies…

          (You guys get some nice summer weather, though. I was in Kristiansand (GORGEOUS) in August a couple years back and you were warmer and sunnier than England. (Which doesn’t SOUND like much, but the UK is getting warmer!) )

        • Why would I lie about something like this?
          http://www.tnp.no/norway/exclusive/2836-introduction-to-paske-traditions-in-norway
          Tanning, snow and skiing is an important part of most Norwegians’ easter holiday.

          “Another Easter tradition unique to Norway is the mountain trip, where Easter is celebrated up in the mountains enjoying the sunshine, skiing, and eating oranges and Kvikk Lunsj, a famous chocolate bar com prising of crunchy wafer covered with milk chocolate. The brown skin tone one gets after long outdoor days and sunbathing in the mountain air and snowrich environments, are often called “Easter brown” (Påskesol), while the increased traffic from the moun tain in the first and last days of the holiday is called “Easter traffic”. Also “Easter Lead” is a term usually used for skiing at Easter, when the snow is often old, rough and grainy, wet during the daytime and crisp in the evenings.”

          Yes, we enjoy warm summers in the south by the sea. It is usually between 20°C-25°C. It is the winter which is the worst. So dark and cold.

        • (I’m sincerely sorry, I hope I didn’t offend you — I meant this as a joke, or at least an attempt at a “delicious marshmalllow” joke. I was hungry, and should have considered that better!)

        • None taken! English is not my first language, thus I sometimes interpret things wrong when written. :)

      • I think he (?) means tanlines from skiing glasses/goggles :) in Sweden, it is extremely sought after to have a tanned complexion and many youths go to tanning salon/spray-tan or use tanning body lotion. Tanning oil is also very popular.

    • Cyber_3

      Is there a hot spring just out of the shot? I’ve seen people in British Columbia skiing in bikinis but isn’t it cold when you’re not moving around?

      • Nah, if isn’t windy and no clouds to disturb the sun, then it’s probably pretty hot actually. Scandinavia has varm summers (30° C if it’s really hot) and cold winters.

        • Cyber_3

          Same for Canada: -50° C in winter and +40° C in summer, but except for the mountains and the very north, no snow in summer…but as I look at the map, I guess that Scandanavia has both those things so that explains everything ^_^

    • Mainy Åkerman

      …..
      This photo is lies. There aren’t stacks of money next to everyone. Why must you lie?

      • This photo is (judging by the fashion and merchandise the people in the picture brought with them) probably from the early 80s. Oil money had not yet spilled over into the private economy. B-) Jokes aside: Tanning in the snow is an important part of easter break. The white snow reflects the sunrays and and thus make the skin tan more effective. It is becoming quite common to develop skin cancer among Norwegians lately with 350 people dying every year (and increasing). Especially in the age range of 30-60.

        So what are you Swedes up to during easter? No mountain trips or days of from work/school?

        • Heeey, leaping into the conversation to answer that >:)
          We have Easter holidays that last for like, a week maybe? During the breaks in January-April, Swedish people spend a lot of time in the mountains, mostly skiiing or going somewhere in the wild with snowmobiles (I think this is more prominent in the north though). A lot of people might combine this with going to their ‘cabin’ out in the countryside, if not renting a cabin at a ski resort.
          I think we share the same rush for tanning in the spring with you Norweigians. I have yet to see people tanning on the snow, but I’ve seen people come back from spring break with the most hideos tans from ski glasses (imagine people being tanned from the cheeks and down but nothing above that). I think it’s because we have very long winters that people enjoy the sun so much?The tan people get in the summer tend to fade away during the winter. Also, tanning is a sign of being ‘healthy’, as one would think that a person with a tan spend a lot time outside, probably working out or just breathing the fresh air instead of hiding inside all summer. Funnily, this has lead to that the most common argument for spending time outside in the summer is “…but, it’s sunny outside”. I swear to god, if there’s just the tiniest bit of sun outside, you WILL find Swedes tanning on their backyard or on the beach. We’re really addicted to the sun.
          Everyone here fears tanning salons because they scream skincancer. A small amount of them exist though, but I think their usage is not what they ought to be. For instance, my mom went to one when we had a trip to Spain planned. She went to get a really basic tan so she wouldn’t wind up horribly burnt the first day in Spain (my family is quite fair and don’t really tan…we just get burnt and red and then it fades).

        • Mainy Åkerman

          Sun is good, sun is life. I once saw my old man neighbor out on his deck at 4 in the morning, trying to get tan by the sort-of midnight sun (it was just the glow of the sunrise). ._. And he was all naked, too!

        • Mainy Åkerman

          Oooh, that’s good information! I knew some of it so at least you were able to give that~ It’s sort of like that here too, but more up north and towards Finland. I have a friend who lives in the U. Her grandparents are all from Norway and she has pretty dark skin. Dark green eyes and black hair, too. Personally, I always associated you silly Norwegians with more darker appearances from all the coffee you drink. ;D Just kidding.

          Oh uhh, my family and I just try to do volunteer work and then eat a lot. c: Most people I know spend time with their relatives. They’ll have bonfires and yes, we go into the mountains and hills, too. There’s lots of cleaning to be done for people who go to their cottages.

          Wait–350?! Holy crap, calm down with the skin cancer! D:< Do it or we'll force another union and make sure you all stay more pale than Icelanders.

  159. In Spain is waaaay acceptable to go to tanning salons or to be tanned in general.

    Actually, my skin is very white and I can’t get tanned easily so in the summer is quite common for some women (like my neighbours or the owners of little grocery stores) to tell me that I should go to the beach to get tanned, that it looks that I’m sick.

    What I basically mean is that here been white is kinda related to have been at hospital or sick at home so you couldn’t get outside because, even if you’re not on holidays, the sunlight last until 10 PM in some areas of the country and since is hot, is really common to see people having a drink with friends or coworkers at cafe’s terraces.

    I’m not sure that I have explained well, I haven’t spoken in English in ages!

    • I agree with you on the “you look sick, you should get tanned a little” comments from everyone XD It’s like there’s some kind of contest to get as tanned as you can as soon as the summer arrives. I’m from the south of Spain and I have fair skin by choice. That surprise people sooo much. Everyone asumes I’m pale because my skin is sentitive or that I get burned instead of tanned if I do sunbathing. Whenever I say “Nope, I tan easily, but I prefer not to” the automatic answer is “Wtf, WHY?”.

      • “It’s like there’s some kind of contest to get as tanned as you can as soon as the summer arrives.” so true XD. Here in the north I felt recently that people is starting to calm down a little bit with that (maybe is the economical crisis & they can’t afford the tanning salon idk) but I’ve seen people doing a lot of stupid things in order to get tanned, like go to the back al 11 AM and come back at 7 PM using those kinds of oil with SPF 4 or 6. That has to be terrible on your skin (if I did that I will look like a lobster in 2 hours XD)

  160. I live in Greece …so many girls get tanned so they can look good while wearing summer clothes or going to the beach.Also dermatologist treatments are very common like for pimples etc but they are sooooo expensive !!!!!

  161. I live in the U.S. and am a ginger so sunscreen is my life. I’m the palest person I know and I plan to stay that way. Because of being a ginger I’m hyper aware of skin cancer and so I’ve been super vigilant about taking care of my skin since I was in Jr. High.
    Also, every time someone gives me crap about bathing in sunscreen while they tan I just tell them that I’m preparing to be cougar in the future ;)

  162. Lee Unđerground Manson
    Lee Unđerground Manson

    Im from Slovakia and i wear sunscreen even in winter because the sun pretty harsh in winter. And yeah, i look pretty pale. Usually people dont really notice it cause im often dressed up to my neck but when summer comes and i wear a tank top or shorst or anythign that exposes my skin, people approach me and ask if im sick or not feeling well and such (of course not complete strangers, duh, just when they are drunk)
    and oh my god beware that i wanna go swimmming! people will just stare or giggle or anythign becausemy whole body is pale, even paler then my face
    The girls here often look fresh and bronzy, wear heavier makeup or go to tanning salones in winter just to look “healthy and sunn kissed”. And that also counts for young guys. Oh and, SPF 20 is already considered as “high” and if you use sunscreen for everyday use, you are considered a pussy. I even have a bottle of SPF 100 from Neutregena for when i want to do sports outside is summer or such!
    I also noticed that the sunscreens I order from Korea are much better then any drugstore sunscreen or even expensive sunscreen form the pharmacy that i can get here!
    And when it comes to the dermathologist, people usually go when they have a problem like bad acne or scaring or skin pigmentation problems or if they have malformed moles. and of course for hair removal. I wouldnt say that its sooo very expensive but going 2 a month for a procedure can get on your wallet.
    But in all, people here dont think of their skin as much as they probably should. Once they get older and notice that their skin is damadged, women try to fix with a ton of creams(man after a certain age dont care at all :P ) but majority of people does not concider using sunscreen as an anti-aging product.

  163. Henry

    In Australia since we are so multicultural for those who do want tan skin, its either bake it or fake it. But the general consensus is a tan is healthy and pasty is bleh… Vitamin D deficiency? Id rather take supplements than take chemo thank you very much

    • I think I read that Australia has one of the highest rates of skin cancer in the world.

      • That’s because we get a higher concentration of UV rays down here. The skin health culture here has rapidly changed over the past decade or so. Its gotten to the point where there is now a fear of vitamin D deficiency (which can lead to increased risk of osteoporosis) because people are paranoid and wear sunscreen all the time. Parents of young children seem to be the most paranoid about skin cancer.

        I’m pretty sure almost all the tanning salons here have either shut down or are in danger of shutting down.

        But I’m sure there’s still a ton of young people who don’t give a crap and try to tan anyway. From what I’ve noticed my friends of Asian background apply sunscreen religiously.

    • HokiPoki1213

      I live on the Gold Coast (a major beach city in Australia) and am unable to tan. Not to mention, I don’t even LIKE tanning! Even the beauty industry doesn’t seem to like pale people, as the majority of “pale” colours for foundations are for people who still like to pile on the bronzer or have the same colour skin as Big Bird’s (from Sesame Street) feathers.
      I have to order Korean and Japanese BB and CC creams from importers so that I can have both effective protection and a shade that goes with pale.

    • “Pasty is bleh” <– I used to get teased so badly in primary school for being pasty white.

    • My biochemistry lecturer had told me that there have a lots of studies on vitamin supplement have a high likely hood of not working because most of it essentially get excreted from the body and do not go where you want them to go due to how the systems in metabolism.

      • Vitamin D is lipophilic so it is gonna stay in your body. In fact, you can get toxicity from taking too much Vit D supplement.
        The ones that wouldn’t stay in your body are hydrophilic – such as Vit C. When you take Vit C supplement, your body will still absorbs the amount it needs at that moment, then excrete the rest in urine, which means it is only gonna stay in your body for a very short time, as well as you won’t be able to overdose yourself.

  164. Tanning is not a thing in Asia. In fact, they avoid tanning as much as possible. That’s why they use long-sleeves, umbrellas, etc not only to protect their skin but also to avoid tanning. I used to swim as a child and I got tanned and people made fun of me. Then when my skin got fairer, a lot of people praised my skin colour.

    I think it’s because that Asian countries’ main source of income is farming or any other outdoor jobs and the sun is always out (in SE Asia at least). Man and women, all work in the fields and their skin would get dark. Fairer skin means you are rich and you do not have to work because you have people working for you. Whereas in North America, women are expected to stay at home and do household chores and raise their children and they will have fairer skin. Tanned skinned in N. America equates to being rich and they can have vacations instead of just staying at home.

  165. I’m from the UK and half filipino but I’m seriously pale. I used to want to be more tanned since that was the ideal here, however when I would go to the Philippines I would get compliments for being so pale. Seeing how lots of people there wanted paler skin I decided to just be happy with what I have. I didn’t start wearing face creams with SPF everyday until I learnt that sun damage can cause the skin to age. I also don’t think tanning is as popular as it was in the UK but I still see features in magazines about being ready for summer and holidays by using fake tan.
    Also I agree with Martina on the ‘dewy’ look, it looks kinda greasy to me too.

  166. I think why it is not so common to go to dermatologist is it’s expensive you have to have good health insurance and I am guilty I only go when I have problematic skin. I suffer from a form of ecezma on my face dry patchy skin. As I gotten older in my 30s now I have a skin regime and i use more sunscreen then before bc my skin burns easily. Thankful for my genes and how i care for my skin i still get carded lol they think im still in my early 20s. People just assume going to dermatologist is key its also important to get your sleep and drink plenty of water which is good for your skin and your skin regime.

  167. I’m from Canada and was thinking about getting laser resurfacing done for some old acne scars. $500 dollars a session at my dermatologist. Asked my Korean friend how much it cost for him to get it over there and it wasn’t even $100. The only negative thing I heard about getting procedures done in Korea is that some people will try to overcharge foreigners.

  168. Mariam Watt

    For men in the States, I think the culture has for so long held up rugged heroes as the ideal male type, cowboys, cops, soldiers, often working outdoors with a tan and with some sort of facial hair- that American male beauty hasn’t really been equated with poreless, glowing, dewy soft skin- so guys don’t think about it much for themselves. Seriously I can’t think of one that had great skin, maybe Elvis, or maybe because that kind of skin makes you look young, and leading men in American films are usually older than their costars. Pretty is the job of the girls.

  169. I’m part Mexican but white-looking, so I tan really easily and almost never get sunburned. I don’t worry about skin protection, because there’s no history of skin cancer in my family, and being tan is considered attractive here in the U.S., so why bother? I do find that people of Asian descent here tend to have unusually healthy skin, so I can only assume it’s a genetic thing that’s exacerbated in Asian countries thanks to cultural emphasis on skin care.
    Random question: Do people in other countries have “skin tone comparison contests”? I don’t know what else to call them. Basically, something in conversation that indirectly or directly relates to skin color will trigger a bunch of people to spontaneously compare their skin tones. Everyone sticks out their arm and compares, like, “Oh, you’re darker than me,” “Wow, your skin is really light,” etc. I wonder if this is an American thing because of all the racial diversity, or if people in other countries do it too.

  170. thisisjustforfunval

    I love that you showed those comparison photos of what celebrities really look like compared to what they look like in magazines. I work as a package designer for hair appliances and I see how much models get photoshopped for our packages. Not only is their skin “perfected” their hair is cleaned up, goodbye split ends and fly-aways. Their hair is made fuller, softer and don’t even get me started on how much their hair color is changed. I’ve even seen a models body altered to be skinnier and smoother. Every photo out there selling or promoting something has been altered in some fashion and I really wish we could all stop comparing ourselves to them. Actually since I work in this field I stopped a long time ago.

    A few months ago this video came out and I think everyone should watch it. Four women see themselves turned into cover models and how they feel after seeing the end result.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRlpIkH3b5I

  171. I live in the US which obviously has some issues with people being obsessed with tanning. I tan very easily so I’m the perfect candidate for being tan (even if I just go to the beach for a weekend I’ll come back really dark). But I’m actually a Missha #11 skin tone (maybe a tad darker but not noticeably so, definitely not up to #21 and my old makeup was around a #23 but in a different brand and it looked so awful omg). I purposefully try to not tan. I wear makeup with skin block. I wear strong sun screen if I’m going to spend a lot of the day outside. I’ve had family members and family friends who got skin cancer from spending too much time outside without proper protection and that is something I never ever want to go through. People can complain about how pale I am all they want, but I’ll be the one with the nice skin when we get older.

  172. I’m from the US, where even my family pokes fun at me for being pale because I prefer healthy skin over being tan. I wore a cosplay last summer that had a bare stomach, and I realized it was probably the first time my stomach had seen the light of day since I was about 10 and owned a little-girl bikini. :P Much sunscreen was worn at that con!

    Apart from sunscreen, I own just about zero skin-care products (aside from oil-removing pads). I’ve always thought of them in the same way that we think of the dermatologist here — only something you need if you actually have skin problems.

  173. Skin care? We have two sorts of people here. Sunbather and nonsunbather. There was a time when looking like a leathercouch was supposed to be cool. But most of them were the less educated. Its a fact.

    We have free healthcare here (we pay taxes for this) but it starts getting more and more like america so that a lot of people have private insurances. So they go to private doctors. Why? Because private doctors normally do more, have time for you and you dont have to wait. I am one of the mix-people. I search for the best doctor and visit. Doesnt matter if its private or public. If its the best its the best.

    But one thing do all our skindoctors have in common: every thing they do costs. Yes they will check your moles for free but removing costs. And not just ten bucks. Make it like 80-100 euro for 1 mole!! It only costs between 20-40 euro if its threatening.

    Oh and good skincare products? Not to be found or rarelly to be found. When i was in australia i was stunned how much careproducts there are. Here you have just a few regals and thats it. And its expensive. A normal cheap mascara costs 15 euro. A make up remover thats for sensitiv or allergic skin costs 20 euro. So you see skin care did totally go by. Dont know why. I get all my products from other countries because i have allergic skin and no product from here will fit me.

  174. Diamond Jade Faulkner

    One thing I have noticed, is that Korea and other asian countries have THE BEST suncreens. I currently am using a spf 130 i had to buy from Sasa. But it actually is worth a durn to have it imported when your family has a history of skin cancer :(

    • 130?!?! Hellll that’s crazy! Mine is only 50, and I remember as a kid when I thought 50 was a lot, because I used to have SPF 15. Ha!

      • Diamond Jade Faulkner

        It was about the same price as a spf 50 too. People there really don’t want to get any uv rays lol. They even have common brands like ‘Vaseline’ that have sunblock lotions dedicated to skin ‘whitening’. The things I learn on the internet.

  175. Oh, I WISH men were more careful about their skin here because great skin is very attractive to me. I remember my ex’s skincare consisted solely of using this horrible astringent toner that BURNED when you put it on (“That’s how you know it’s working”). It was far too harsh and drying and he had these dry patches, not to mention acne scars and huge pores. He refused to moisturize/wear sunblock and claimed his leathery-hide-of-an-excuse for skin was a mark of masculinity and he didn’t want to “be a woman” and do skincare. Paradoxically this was a guy who used to buy lip gloss from Bath and Body Works for himself to wear.

    My current boyfriend, on the other hand, will use any skincare product I buy him and occasionally steals mine (I CAN SMELL IT ON YOUUU).

    My friend uses the 10 cent razors from the convenience store, shaves with just water, and complains about how much acne (this is a guy in his mid-20′s) he gets on his chin. I keep telling him it’s because of the razors! He works at Microsoft and he could afford $300 razors if he wanted–he gets $50 haircuts every other week and buys expensive clothes! But he would rather be scabbed and pimply than spend more on stuff for his actual body.

    Anyway, most guys I know would not do anything for their skin (even if they had the $$$ to do so) unless they had horrible, oozing, cystic acne, in which case they pick up some Proactiv.

    • Cheap razors can cause acne? O.o

      • Cheap razors (plus my friend’s crappy shaving regimen) irritate the skin/follicles through razor burn and introduce bacteria, which can then result in acne. Plus he had some acne before to start with, and then he ends up slicing his pus-filled pimples open, resulting in somewhat of a ripple effect around the original pimple. Yum!

    • Cyber_3

      I don’t think that cheap razors can cause acne. You might get ingrown hairs or irritated sweat glands on your chin from cheap/dull razors and using just water though and that’s very similar to acne. You should tell him that even a cheap double blade (Gillette/Bick) and some Noxema instead of shaving cream would be awesome on anyone’s skin and not cause “girly” stigma ;)

    • I read about that recently…I think they have linked that with a bacteria present in the human intestinal tract but some people are genetically predisposed to have higher concentrations which can lead to stomach cancer….Something like that…I’ll see if I can find the article again….

  176. haruchi

    Ah yes there is a lot of obaasans protecting their skin in Japan the same way they do it in Korea. Sometimes they look a bit scary with their face covered…
    I always feel out of place when I’m wearing my t-shirt and they have their umbrellas, etc… I wear sunscreen when I know I’m gonna be long time in the sun because I might get red, especially my nose. But I’m not that used to do it I guess because in Finland the sun is not that deadly since… winter is dark and all. And I just don’t go out that often. XD Sucky thing is that I do want to protect my skin but sunscreen is kinda sticky and those arm sleeve things seem hot… I sweat more than Asians so no can do! OTL
    Funny thing about tanning though. As a kid I wanted a nice tan but as I got into visual kei and saw those beautiful men with milky skin, I wanted to have one too. My dad still keeps saying every summer to me that I should go out and get tanned and I’m like NO!!

  177. I’m a girl from Poland (cześć) and I started taking care of my skin when I started listening to kpop and getting into korean culture. I went to a beauty salon (?) and got my face cleaned and the lady told me to what kind of skin type I really have etc., but I didn’t really know or care about it earlier.
    People in Poland go to dermathologist when they have a real problem with their skin, but I think going to beauty salon to have your pimples popped is quite common, especially with teenagers. But sunscreens? SPF face creams? Not very common in daily use. And as for tanning – usually after summer holiday people would talk about it, but it’s not a thing here…

  178. Hi from Australia! here all through school they hammer Slip Slop Slap (Shirt, sunscreen, hat) but asides from my sister and I know one i know does the sun protection thing. We love our beaches and sunbaking (frying) too much. Apparently tho scientist recently discovered that the sun on skin produces endorphines, which means you can legitamately be addicted to the sun! Oooh let me hop in the sun and get my fix~!
    But look now you can Drink!!! your sunscreen. Eeeww?

  179. I had a really funny encounter last year with some korean exchange students from Seoul and Busan. They asked me where they can buy these kind of sleeves Simon and Martina are talking about here in Germany. I told them that this is a korean thing and something like that isn´t available here. They were so mind blown and shoked and didn´t believe me haha. You should have seen their faces, really it was hilarious…its really a funny story….

  180. People in Japan too are definitely more aware of skin health than back home in the States. Tanning is definitely a no no. Even on hot days I see people walking around with jackets on to cover up their skin. I’m not sure if people in Japan see dermatologists as often as people do in Korea. I’ve definitely seen a lot of acne though. I wondered about products with “whitening” on the label. Thanks for clarifying ^^

    I’m always amazed by the vast number of skin and beauty care products in Japan/Korea. I just wish some of those products would be sold in the US. BB cream, for example, is really lacking in the US. I’m quite pale so even if I buy the lightest shade it is too dark for me. The last time I went to Etude House they gave me a bb cream sample to try and halleluiah it was like the perfect fit for me. I’m really going to miss skin care products here OTL

  181. Seira

    I wish visiting the dermatologist was cheap here in the States. I can’t even see one because my family’s insurance doesn’t cover it. Instead, I have to consult with my doctor about my skin.

    When I was in Korea this past summer, I was so self-conscious about my complexion since I had so many crater-like acne scars and everyone had nice skin. I’ve become more consistent about having a skin regime though, thanks to Korea. But being from America, being tan is still the trend, even amongst my Asian friends.

  182. I’m African American. I’ve never once had a pimple so I never really thought about taking care of my skin to much aside from putting on lotion everyday. After watching this TL;DR and seeing that chart I’m a little more concerned about it. I know since I’m black I’m less likely to get any form of skin cancer, but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible for me to get skin cancer.

    • As a black person living in the Caribbean I get laughed at but I still put on sunblock ( as I am allergic to chemical sunscreens) whenever I go out into the sun. I know it is less likely for me to get skin cancer but I also consider things like uneven skin and as I get older how I started to get more moles. I got my moles removed last year and I don’t intend on getting them back. Hats and zinc oxide it is then.

  183. Here in the Philippines, “whitening” really means WHITENING. The standard of beauty here is that you need to be really fair and light-skinned. There’s really a stigma when it comes to being dark skinned; it connotes being poor/homeless and there are even shows that have dark skin as the main problem (Google: Nita Negrita). However, it can also be seen as an attractive quality, and the word “moreno/morena” is used to describe someone who’s handsome/pretty but somewhat dark.

    Anyway, back to the skincare part. The ads for “whitening creams” here really show how using them will make you “whiter” or give you a “pinkish white glow” (“pinkish” means looking white without being pale). One product contains charcoal to help clean your skin, and while it does help remove dirt, the ads for it make it seem as if the dirt on your face is what’s making you dark. Glutathione pills are also sold and consumed to make you whiter (Belo and MET Tathione are common brands).

    Anti-aging creams and oil-control products are also popular here, but the really dominant type of product that’s advertised is the whitening kind. Even when advertising those kinds of products, only fair-skinned people are used.

    • Cyber_3

      I agree with you on the “whitening” means – more white/caucasian when it comes to skin products. There isn’t a single Asian girl that I’ve met that didn’t want to be paler because it is advertised as the standard of beauty and every one of them would take great (and sometimes hilarious) lengths to keep the sun from ever touching their faces. I think that whatever Koreans Simon and Martina asked, were probably lying out of embarrassment to the two white people. Now, I don’t agree that whiter is prettier – in fact, I think it’s ridiculous, but to say that it’s not the goal/marketing of these creams (or the implied goal) is extremely naive.

      I think that part of the stigma with dark skin in Asia is historical in that there were African slaves/eunuchs in China and elsewhere in the 1800s-early 1900s as well as farmers/yokels/slaves that worked in the fields/rice patties all day and got very tanned were also looked down on by the big city gentry. But don’t quote me, I’m not an expert.

      • I think that you’re correct in saying that “white” is the deal, but saying that “caucasian” is the ideal is the misnomer. Pale skin has been and always will be attractive and the ideal in Korea and all of Asia, but it’s not because people want to look more caucasian white. They just want to look more pale. I think that’s what they were going from. And it’s not the people from foreign countries that made dark skin the ideal, it’s that farmers spent time outside and got tanned whereas nobles sat inside all day and didn’t work and so were pale, so paleness = money. (Kind of like how fat used to mean you had money to eat a lot of food, whereas nowadays it means you don’t have enough money/take enough care of yourself to eat well.) From what I have known (being half-black), I’m exempt from the Korean whiteness standard because … well, I’m not Korean, and they don’t expect the same kind of beauty from me.

      • But also (I had to add this in) whitening on Korean skin products does NOT mean skin whitening. I’ve used quite a few skin products from Korea that feature whitening (my entire routine is Korean, actually) and they do not lighten or bleach my skin. They do get rid of dark spots and acne scars, though, so my face overall looks “brighter” because it’s all one color (and a brighter, healthier color than the scars that were there before). I have also come across some skin cleanser that was whitening that made my face look paler/brighter immediately after using it for some reason, but again that was not bleaching my skin (it didn’t change the color, it just made it look like there was light inside of my skin) and it wasn’t permanent (I would run screaming in the opposite direction if these whitening creams were bleaching agents). From when I was in Vietnam, if you want a “whitening” product like you’re speaking of, they’re just labeled as “bleach.”

        • Cyber_3

          I am a little confused. While “whiter skin” obviously doesn’t DIRECTLY mean “Caucasian”, aren’t Caucasian’s being held up in the ads as the pinnacle of “success”? Are there any WHITEr people than Caucasians except maybe Albinos and I’m not sure is anyone is holding them up as beauty icons (although there is something ethereal about most albinos and I could see this actually happening). I don’t know – I think to say that you want paler skin, while you may not want to be Caucasian, you may want to have been born with the same skin tone, how is this really any different? It’s kind of skin semantics, no? And also, to say that “bleach” and “whitening” are not the same is also wrong because, at least in English, the words are synonyms, whatever you are making paler. I agree that there are some skin products that add “luminosity” or smooth out your skin tone with colour “correcting” action, but 1) while these are not always the same products as the “bleach” products, there are a lot of products that do both, and 2) adding luminosity can be through light reflective ingredients but these are almost always – white! – because it reflects the most light so……….yeah. See what I mean?

        • Finch Fletchley

          Not really. Caucasians are in some skin care ads, but Koreans are in a lot more. I mean, there are different ethnicities in skin care ads here in America, too, but that doesn’t mean that they are the ideal of beauty. And it is important to specify that there is a difference between wanting to have whiter skin and wanting to have Caucasian skin. Koreans like Caucasian skin because they like pale skin, and usually Caucasian skin is pale. They do not like pale skin because it looks more Caucasian. Does that difference make sense?

          Also, you might want to consider the actual difference between “white” and “Caucasian.” “White” is not an ethnicity, it’s a color. Not all Caucasians are pale, so even though we think white = Caucasian, that’s not the truth. Often Caucasian =/= white, and often people of other ethnicities (including Asians) can look just as white/pale or even more white/pale than some Caucasians. “White” is a descriptor of a color (like black, yellow, brown), not a race. So even if they wanted to look “whiter,” that doesn’t necessarily mean they want to look more “Caucasian.” They just want to look more white/pale.

          There is a very big difference between wanting paler skin and wanting to be born Caucasian, just as there is a big difference between a Caucasian person wanting to get a tan and a Caucasian wanting to have been born black. Does that make more sense? You might like darker skin, but that doesn’t mean you want to be a different race. Wanting paler skin and wanting to be Caucasian are different. The two are not mutually inclusive.

          Bleaching and whitening are indeed synonyms, but, as you know, synonyms are not words that have the same meaning, they’re words that have similar meanings. For example, happy and cheerful are synonyms, but they are different feelings. Similarly, sad and depressed are synonyms, but they also have different meanings. Even moreso, they have very different meanings when put into different *contexts,* which I think is the key here. Sad and depressed aren’t so different when your friend is talking about feeling bad after failing a test. Sad and depressed are very different when you’re in a doctor’s office being diagnosed. Similarly, while whitening and bleaching may have similar meanings, the context is all. It doesn’t matter that we think whitening SHOULD mean making the chemical structure of skin tones lighter in the context of Korean cosmetics. The fact of the matter is that it doesn’t. Language is weird. Just because we think whitening should mean that the products change our skin tone does not mean that the products actually change our skin tone. The products work the way they work. How we describe them is besides the point.

          So again, I am talking specifically in terms of Korean products, as the TL;DR was. In Korea, and in Vietnam (as far as I am aware), whitening products do not change your skin color or bleach your skin. So they may lighten the skin, or brighten it (which is different from making it look more white, trust me – because it’s not as though my face suddenly doesn’t match the rest of my body because it has changed color, as when putting on makeup, but it looks bright and full of energy, as though I just finish working out, if that makes sense), but they do not alter the chemical structure of my skin to make it more white (which is the definition of bleaching, to make white by exposure to sunlight or chemical process).

          Sorry that was long. I… am a long winded person.

        • Cyber_3

          Okay, that *was* long. I said that it was “confusing” because that’s how I feel about it. You can say that “not all Caucasians are pale” but……..being pale is kind of what defines being Caucasian these days, whether you’re a hybrid of several ethnicities or “pure” somethingorother. I believe that I said that wanting to be paler didn’t mean that you wanted to change your ethnicity to Caucasian but you would like the same skin tone. Frankly, this is all whohah to me as I don’t really care one way other the other about skin tone (as long as mine is healthy) but not so far back in the past (like the 1980s, 1990s, and even into the 2000s) these “whitening creams” did indeed have bleach in them. Lots of people damaged their skin using them and that’s why you hardly see them any more. I can agree that these days MOST of the whitening products do not directly bleach your skin but give some of that effect however, if you go a step further and get chemical peels and such, you really are bleaching your skin. Since Korean dermatologist are so much more accessible and botox is more in the norm – and I’m pretty sure you can get this from a dermatologist – I wouldn’t be surprised if bleaching “professionally” isn’t also more common place. Plastic surgery is all FAR FAR FAR more common place in Korea than in North America so the lines of what’s convenient and common place are very different than over here.

          Cyber_3 – from one long-winded person to another, I think we both agree but just want to get the last word in now ;)

        • Paleness is what defines Caucasians to Europeans and people of European descent. People of populations who tend towards having the same hair and eye color go by features and bone structure. (Also don’t forget that South Asian are classified as Caucasians.)

          Now, bone structure and the alteration thereof is a whole new and complicated can of worms, so let’s just stick to skin color for now! :)

      • Field workers being sun browned is one thing, but please don’t assume that all Africans worldwide were instantly perceived as slaves everywhere they went. That’s a very Western and relatively recent mindset, in terms of human history. (Browse medievalpoc.tumblr.com for an interesting take on this.)

      • Social classes in the Philippines during the Spanish colonial period were, from the top to the bottom, Peninsulares > Insulares > Mestizo > Indio. The Peninsulares and Insulares were the Spaniards and the Mestizos were the mixed breeds (Spanish-Filipino, Chinese-Filipino). These were the richer people. The mestizos weren’t as rich as the Spaniards, but they were the highest among the Filipinos. Indios were the native & purebred Filipinos.

        Now, in the 21st century, being a mestiso/mestisa means that you have really white/bright/pale skin, so you kinda see the reason why being whiter is kind of a beauty standard / status symbol and why people want to achieve a lighter complexion. Being a native Filipino back then meant that you were of a low social class, and I guess that mentality (well, in terms of skin tone) still exists ’til now.

        • Cyber_3

          Thank you for this. This is a nice/logical/clear/concise explanation and Phillipino-centric even which is where this conversation thread started. I couldn’t find any references to black slavery in Asia from a quick internet search but I’m pretty sure that if I dug out my university books on it, I would find it but you came at it from the other end which was likely even more prevalent.

    • You’re spot on :D The glutathione pills and injections. I never can say or spell that word correctly lol. Also Likas Papaya Soap is pretty popular right? I’m kind of guilty of using it from time to time hehe…

    • “Moreno” is “brown” in Spanish, isn’t it???

      • “moreno” is brunette, at least where i come from it’s used to describe a person with dark hair

      • irritablevowel

        Moreno or Morena is often used in Spanish speaking countries as a word to describe someone as being dark in some way (hair, eyes, skin). It varies by culture. The Philippines were colonized by Spain for about 300 years, so there is a lot of Spanish influence in the language.

      • no, brown is marrón. “Moreno” is someone with tanned skin or has brunnete hair (depends on the context you say it)

  184. I’m from Singapore, 19, and i started taking care of my skin since last September. My skin wasnt that bad to begin with, but after starting a skincare routine, it really looks and feels much better. Now, i use a toner, moisturiser and sunblock everyday. My skin is quite fair, and my friends comment that i have really good skin, even though i still have pimples and blackheads. So i guess the sunblock does play a part too, esp in anti-aging~ ^^

  185. I live in America and I think a lot of people here, especially guys, don’t really care so much about their skin. I don’t know anyone who goes to a dermatologist unless they have an issue, and I can only think of 1 guy who takes care of his skin! (Happens to be my boyfriend, lol. He tries to take care of himself, which I think every human being should, male or female. I spend way longer on skincare, but at least he uses face washes). As far as sunblock, I refuse to go outside without sunblock at least on my face. I tend to wear jackets all the time, so I’m pretty much covered. I also rarely go outside xD But I’m the only one in my circle of friends/family that will put sunscreen on every day, even if it’s cloudy.

  186. I think most asians have nice skin. I’m Filipino and never had acne ever (sry don’t mean to brag lol) I use kojic acid soap or papaya soap. It may irritate some peoples skin, but for me it does not burn at all or really whiten my skin since I don’t have such dark skin; it mostly cleanses my skin pretty well and I love it. It’s important to use moisturizer and sunblock though after. But skin whitening is really big in the Philippines with the injections and pills to make you skin lighter.

  187. I live in England so we get like 50 weeks of rain and gloom and 2 weeks on sun ,obviously that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but my point here is that whenever we do get the death ray poking through the clouds every once in a while everyone seems to embrace it and think that’s they’re immune to the UV rays shooting down at us and just don’t put sun block on.. we’re all basically sunburnt the next day though (me included! )

    • haha… I also live in England, but the rain really doesn’t bother me.. I don’t like hot weather so when it is hot I just stay at home and complain..!! :)

    • I’m from the UK too, and there is a stigma against being fair skinned, tanned is always seen as best. I know some girls who use cooking oil to tan their skin when the sun comes out! It’s madness! I prefer pale skin, I think it looks beautiful, and have often been asked why I don’t want to tan and am often called weird for not wanting to. The attitude needs to change; but people in this country just don’t seem to care. But the moment they start getting wrinkles, they’re off to get botox done, prevention is key!

      Skincare in this country is atrocious. I know no one who has a skincare routine. There are people in this country who do, but they are usually beauty bloggers. I had to teach my little sister, my best friend, my boyfriends mum and my aunt about skincare because they had no clue. Everyone says that they want great skin and there are adverts that try to sell skincare but it’s always 2 in 1 or 5 in 1! It’s pure laziness, if you want good skin, you need to look after it with a step routine. I use at least 11 products for my daily skincare routine; 6 in the morning (cleanser, serum, eye cream, moisturiser 1, moisturiser 2, sunscreen always SPF40 or more) and 5 in the evening (cleanser, serum, eye cream, oil, night cream), and it only takes me a few minutes to do that in the bathroom. I hate it when people claim that they don’t “have enough time” to do skincare in the morning; if you’re taking forever to do your skincare you need to HURRY UP. :)

      Though I will say this, I don’t use sunscreen on my body as much as I should do. Now that it’s getting hotter in the UK, I need to start to use it.

      • I totally agree!! It’s just crazy! It was ridiculously sunny last week, I’ve been revising like crazy for my exams so I’m inside most of the time, but I took an hours break in the sun and was already sunburnt on my face, you just don’t expect it to happen so quickly because it usually doesn’t! I’ve always wanted to start a facial skin care routine but my problem is I just don’t know where to start!!

        • Do you wear makeup or sunscreen? If so get an oil cleanser or a butter cleanser because that will help to take off makeup and sunscreen. Then you will need a second cleanser, preferably a milk cleanser because it’s not too harsh, to take off the remainder of your makeup and all the grime from the day. You can even use the milk cleanser to wash your face in the morning. I usually don’t, I just use water, it depends if your skin can handle it.
          I have combination and acne prone oily skin so washing it in the morning promotes more acne because I’m washing it TOO much. Just experiment.

          When using a milk cleanser, always take it off with water. Don’t use cotton pads for ANYTHING other than taking off nail polish. They’re a waste of money. Use your hands, your parents gave them to you.

          Then a hydrating toner and an eye cream, you don’t need anything too fancy, just one that hydrates.

          I think you may be too young to start using a serum, but one for acne or hydrating would be good if you have any of those things.

          Then a moisturiser. I use two, a gel and then a cream for winter, and just a cream for summer. Then a sunscreen. Preferably SPF30 or more if you have fair skin. If you are darker, SPF20 would be fine. And you’re done! :)

          A good exfoliator would be to mix a teaspoon of nutmeg and a teaspoon of milk, this is what I use and it leaves your face super soft. Wet your face and start gently massaging your face. Don’t scrub! I know so many people who scrub their face like it’s the kitchen floor, it will just leave you red.

          For face masks, getting your hands on some fullers earth (clay) and mixing it with water or milk makes it a good face and body mask. Just use that once a week if you suffer from break outs.

          Stay away from oil free! Oil is good for skin. If you can, try and get your hands on some Rosehip and Coconut oil. Rosehip is good for facial skin whilst coconut is good for body skin and hair. :) a good site is fushi.co.uk they do very good oils for such a great price, and they’re organic.

          You don’t need to get all of these things at once, budget yourself and get them whenever you can. Just starting with a cleanser, moisturiser and sunscreen is good enough for now. :)

        • MsButterfly Bam

          Oh my goodness! I feel so rich with knowledge now!! Thank you, I finally know where to start! My skin will be thanking you soon:D

      • i know it’s a bit of crazy question but can i ask what sunscreen you use? i’m just wondering whether it’s a daily one or whether it’s the usual fairly gloopy type that is the usual sunscreen of summer X3 cos i feel rather shameful after hearing about your skincare regime >w<

      • 2 moisturizers? could i ask what are the brands and whats the difference that you use 2? doesnt it get too gloopy with 2 layers? also, what do you mean by oil at night, what sort of oil and doesnt that cause a layer that prevents the night cream from getting absorbed

        thanks!

    • I live in England as well but I would say that the really fair skinned people use a hell of a lot of suncream on that occasional sunny day XD coz that’s what I do, otherwise it’s the lobster look for a week or so after

    • ahaha I just commented something similar :P (I’m from Wales though, so even more rain lol)

    • I live in the US (Washington state) and I had a professor who was from England. He told the students that he loves Seattle because the weather was very similar to England and reminded him of home lol

  188. Since my eighteenth I’m wearing sunblock with SPF50+ PA+++. Yes, I’m bloody pale because of that, but I don’t mind. Since I’m protecting my skin from the sun, I’ve had less acne and my skin looks better and healthier overall. And as you guys mentioned: my face won’t look old and saggy when I’m hitting 35. With just putting on some sunblock every day you can make so much difference. It’s not a hard thing to do and you’ll be grateful in the future.

  189. Mariam Watt

    My best friend was born in the Philippines, lives in Texas- and whenever she returns to Cebu for a visit her grandmother gushes about how beautiful it is that she is so pale. During the visit the grandmother has someone following her around with an umbrella to make sure that she doesn’t get any darker. I don’t know if it is a beauty standard or a class standard- she doesn’t want her getting dark because it is considered less pretty or because you only get dark if you are poor enough to have to work outside and theirs is a well-off family- but its definitely a generation thing- her mom and dad don’t care if she gets a little browner in the summer, but it freaks her grandmother out.

  190. dinasore

    I’m an Asian American from LA and honestly didn’t think about protecting my skin from SUNNY DEATH RAYS OF DEATH until college. In high school I would never wear shorts because I had such pale skin and my classmates would tease me about being unhealthy or having “engineer’s tan”. My mom on the other hand, made me shower in sunscreen, because “cancer! bad skin! wrinkles! SUNNY DEATH RAYS OF DEATH!”. So it might be a cultural thing, where one culture values the “healthy, tan” look and another values…health? haha
    Thanks for doing a tl;dr on this! I think it’s time I really put some effort into nicer skin.

  191. Here in Essex (Southeast England) not a lot of people use tanning salons because there is a lot of publicity for Skin Cancer, and people (mostly) know the dangers. That said, some teens- mid twenties still want to tan quickly, and will go to places to have an orange/brown dye sprayed on, that lasts for a few weeks before washing off. Some counties are well known for the popularity of spray-tan within them, for example most people in London expect everyone in Essex to have it, because that is the stereotype.

    • I think there’s definitely a thing with tanning here in England, probably because most of us are all so pale due to the lack of sun! ;D either way, along with self tan I’ve noticed that a lot of young girls in my age group will opt for a foundation one or two shades darker then their original skin tone and will want to soak up as much sun as possible rather than avoiding it! I think the younger people aren’t really all to aware or worry about skin cancer which is probably something that should be brought up a lot more and sorted out.

  192. Tanning in Spain is a big thing. I know lots of people who go to the beach just to sunbathe. They don’t even LOOK at the water, let alone actually bathing. WTF?

  193. Smiffy

    We’ve got plenty of orange faced people here in the UK, and you used to hear about so many people having an ‘addiction to sunbeds’.

  194. I’m from New York and I can say that when I went to Korea DEFINITELY people take care of their skin better than they do back home. I can’t say that nobody here takes care of their skin, but I can say the overall population of Korea takes care of their skin a lot better than we do! I’m glad I picked up habits when I was there regarding skincare. While I have been graced with good skin to begin with, the things I do extra make my skin a lot nicer than ti was previously, or without any care! It looks much healthier!

  195. doing my skincare regime as i watch the video lol

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