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No pussyfooting around this one. We’re just going to say flat out that this song didn’t do it for us. If you don’t know by now, we’re big 2NE1 fans, and we set the bar really high for them. So for us, this song was just kind of…meh, especially in comparison to their other really high energy, in your face kind of songs. It does remind us of 2NE1′s “Go Away” which we also didn’t like. It seems both those songs follow the same pattern of “simple verses” + “rock-esque chorus” = an important message song, while their other songs follow more of a “unique verses” + “rock-out chorus” = a danceable fist pumping song. But then again, these kind of simple songs by any kpop band just aren’t our style. We love our “Bambaratatata!!!” and “oh,O, oh O, oh O, SHOCKASHOCKASHOCKASHOCKA” and “NANANANANANANANAnanaNANANANAna na na na na” and “cry CRY!!!!” Anyways, we digress.

We just don’t find ourselves humming the song throughout the day, or pumping our fists to a certain verse. The song just kind of came out and then went away for us. Sure, the chorus is great to sing along to, but the rest of the song feels kind of…flat. Also, the message just rubs us the wrong way. We know that it’s supposed to be symbolic (English Majors here) but it seems too self-berating, and it feels like it will be sung by people when they feel bad about themselves.

However, if the lyrics had a turning point, the song would be awesome! Right now we feel like, “yes, you think you’re ugly when you hold yourself up to the standards of beauty…….AND? And what?! Say something else about it!” You don’t necessarily need a nerdy kumbaya to make yourself feel better, but you can at least say something like “well, f**k you guys, I don’t need your approval” or something. Or make a suggestion of a power being found in “ugliness”. Something! *Simon and Martina pinch their nose bridges.*

But the video does a good job of filling the void left by the song by showing 2NE1 wrecking up beauty stores, terrorizing people waiting outside of a club for superficial people, and then rocking out in a dump. So, yeah, the video shows them being comfortable with their uniquely stylish ugliness, which is what we hoped the lyrics would have shown a bit, no? Maybe there’s something subtle in the Korean lyrics that didn’t make it over in English translations?

Alright moving on. We’re really happy with the English in the song though. Like, really happy. Blown away happy. We never understood why Kpop uses English in its songs to begin with. It often seems incongruous to us. We don’t know about you, but when we speak with people we don’t break out into another language randomly and flip flop back and forth. And if we were to for some reason want to speak in another language, we’d at least do so with words or sentences that we’re comfortable with. Take, for example, this video of Mir speaking English.

 

Now, we’re not here to make fun of his English. Our point is that, well, he’s clearly uncomfortable speaking English. He doesn’t seem to have a knack for it. So, umm, why force him to speak English in his songs, then? Why not have him break out into Polish as well, while you’re at it? Why is English used in Kpop songs to begin with, if the main demographic, really, is Korean people in Korea who speak Korean? We don’t get it, but we’re trying to work towards an understanding here. Our guess is that Kpop was using English originally to be trendy, but now it seems like it’s trying to be more international by using English, but in doing so often alienates those uninitiated in Kpop through its terrible execution in English.

Engrish in Kpop

Can someone please make a shirt out of this already?

This is all leading up to our point on 2NE1′s English: this song, we think, finally uses English as it should be used in Kpop. It’s not a random awkward scattering of English phrases. The English in this song is its own standalone entity, and stands up quite well. It’s in an important part of the song, the chorus, which people will sing along to. It bridges both languages, Korean and English, comfortably. Does it sell out its Korean-ness by having a fully English chorus? Not at all. This is still a Korean song. More than that, it finally feels like an international song as well, that an international audience can get behind. Yeah man. Good stuff.

HEY! YOU! Don’t give us that “oh you’re so YG biased” argument, that we know some of you are dying to spit out. We can see it on the tips of your tongues. (Our computer has webcam. We can see you.) We said that we don’t like this song, flat out. But we can pick the parts of it that we do like. Not so great song, but super great use of English that really sets a new standard.

Anyways, we might have sounded kind of hard on 2NE1 but it’s only cause we love them. We still love that 2NE1 – and Amber from f(x) – are pretty much the only kpop idols out there that make an effort to present Korean girls with an alter image of femininity that doesn’t follow the typical Korean cutey/sexy girl pattern. Even though this song isn’t the best, the rest of the album is still worth checking out. 2NE1 Represent!

2NE1 Mini Album Vol. 2

Oh! And as for the winner of last week’s Super Junior – Mr. Simple album contest, we announce those in our bloopers, which I’m surprised we haven’t been posting here as well. Here’s this week’s blooper reel!

 

Aaaaand one last thing: if you’re interested in the Spudgy song we made (why wouldn’t you be? IT’S OSM!) you can download it here:

I’m the Spudgy by simonandmartina

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  1. Ya’ll done lost your damn minds! As a new fan of K-POP coming all the way from Texas…..this song is AMAZING! It would easily be picked up on American radio (if it were in English that is). It’s got a powerful message, great hook and delivers everything I love in a good pop rock song. These girls should be diverse and set themselves apart from other groups. It’s what drew me to them specifically in the first place!—jo

  2. “Ugly” is a beautiful song. I don’t understand Korean but it didn’t come across as a sob story to me. To me, the song was empowering because it expressed frustration in a way that demanded the bitter truth. Meaning that they won’t get sucked in by any sweet-talking because none of that shit helps.

    “Ugly” is like a moment that allows people to accept their ugliness or darkness by relating to the song. Outsiders are constantly telling ppl that everything will be okay when it obviously won’t. 2NE1 in “Ugly” don’t want comfort, they want the truth. By telling them that they’re “pretty” is a flat-out lie and shows that nobody is listening or recognizing their insecurities.

    It’s not really a self-loathing message. It’s more anger, frustration and stress.
    “I get mad again, why am I never perfect?”
    “Don’t lie to my face ’cause I know I’m ugly”
    I take that as “I’m frustrated with myself but you’re not even listening because you’re just saying ‘sweet’ things to me since you don’t actually care.”

    That’s my take on it.

    • I have had conversations with friends of mine on this same topic. They also hated the song because they felt it was fake for people she perceived to be pretty to be singing a song about how ugly they felt. She said it made her angry because it was basically the media and society forcing us to have these concepts of what it beautiful. Of course she was seeing this through western eyes without any understanding of Korean culture and how much of their value system is based on looking pretty in their concept of what pretty is.

      I saw someone else who thinks that the song and video actually complete each other. Where the song is speaking of this self image issue, the video is combating the things which created the poor images anyway; the media, and portraying how uniqueness is important and how women need to stand up and combat the status quo when it comes to their own self image.

      It just makes me think of how many women have a poor self image and feel ugly sometimes because they are not what is considered beautiful by the media. And it is even more prevalent in Korean culture where being ‘ ugly’ is pretty much akin to being evil.

  3. Is that Heartstrings on your laptop? :)

  4. I was one of the first to see the video when it first was uploaded onto YouTube; I remember all the European fans going on about how awesome the song was.  I think it’s a really good song… catchy… I find myself singing it in the shower.  Then again, it’s a matter of personal taste for that kind of song.  I agree w/ you about the lyrics, however.  They really should be more uplifting, and it seemed weird for 2NE1 to be singing like this.  But the song has a nice bridge/closing. Also, songs like these seem lacking in Kpop.  I’m glad 2NE1 shows different facets to themselves and can appeal to people w/ different musical tastes.

  5. With mostly everyone agreeing to it being a song with a powerful meaning , and complimenting 2ne1 I just want to point out the man behind this song too and that is Teddy. I mean he produced this song and all the other great songs for 2ne1 so don’t forget to give credit to him too. Just saying.

  6. With mostly everyone agreeing to it being a song with a powerful meaning , and complimenting 2ne1 I just want to point out the man behind this song too and that is Teddy. I mean he produced this song and all the other great songs for 2ne1 so don’t forget to give credit to him too. Just saying.

  7. With mostly everyone agreeing to it being a song with a powerful meaning , and complimenting 2ne1 I just want to point out the man behind this song too and that is Teddy. I mean he produced this song and all the other great songs for 2ne1 so don’t forget to give credit to him too. Just saying.

  8. With mostly everyone agreeing to it being a song with a powerful meaning , and complimenting 2ne1 I just want to point out the man behind this song too and that is Teddy. I mean he produced this song and all the other great songs for 2ne1 so don’t forget to give credit to him too. Just saying.

  9. With mostly everyone agreeing to it being a song with a powerful meaning , and complimenting 2ne1 I just want to point out the man behind this song too and that is Teddy. I mean he produced this song and all the other great songs for 2ne1 so don’t forget to give credit to him too. Just saying.

  10. With mostly everyone agreeing to it being a song with a powerful meaning , and complimenting 2ne1 I just want to point out the man behind this song too and that is Teddy. I mean he produced this song and all the other great songs for 2ne1 so don’t forget to give credit to him too. Just saying.

  11. I know the lyrics for ‘Ugly’ does seem contradictory but if they were aiming to make me realize that it’s pathetic to wallow in self-pity…then they did a great job. In one part their voicing out insecurities most people feel which kind of says that it’s pretty normal to feel inadequate, everybody feels that way or something like that. The chorus kind of summarizes the whole idea and it does voice out the very same things I say to myself when I feel really down but the thing is although I can relate to the idea it kind of is like a wake-up call for me. It sort of makes me hear myself and the things I say to myself and then I realize, “This is wrong…I’m thinking the wrong way.” So then I feel kind of emancipated…sort of, “Yeah, I’m ugly according to your standard but that’s not gonna stop me from being myself and succeeding…” Ironically this song feels more affirmative for me compared to say, “I am beautiful no matter what they say…” or the similar kind. I think this is why a lot of people, especially girls think it’s an inspiring song. Unique approach, powerful message.

  12. I was gonna give my vote to 2NE1 without even seeing CN Blue’s video, but eh, figured I might as well give them a fair chance: however, they still fail. They almost scored points for painting the SUV with the owner still in it, but what the hell is UP with leaving all their gear and even their freakin’ band name written on top the building?! Way to go stoopid, now the fat foreign guards know who you are, and they hold your gear hostage.

    2NE1 destroys property for the hell of it, not for free publicity. THAT’S badass. Ugly’s sounds more “rock” than CN Blue’s song, and 2NE1 don’t even play actual instruments, that is sorta lame don’t you think? Plus 2NE1 set their illegal hangout place on fire at least, y’know, destroying the evidence and walking away without looking, because cool guys (and gals) don’t look at explosions, they blow things up and then walk away. *nods* -> http://youtu.be/Sqz5dbs5zmo

    And well, haven’t we already established CL is the baddest female Seoul City ever had? I rest my case…

  13. I think the lyrical message is supposed to be in conflict with the instrumental.  if you ignore the meaning of the lyrics, the song sounds like a confident anthem.  but the lyrics totally go against that, and I think that’s done on purpose. they can do the depressed sound–they showed us that most recently with Lonely, and before that with It Hurts. If they wanted us to take away a depressed sound, they wouldn’t have gone with the rock anthem feel for this song–which makes me wonder, why?  the only thing i can come up with is that the lyrics put a voice to the thoughts so many people out there suppress–that feeling of inadequacy, especially.  the instrumental and melody put a different emotion to those thoughts, a conquer-all kind of feel, like it doesn’t really matter how ugly or inadequate you feel, because you are so much more than that.

    i think the turning-point messages have been done so many times.  It’s certainly meaningful, and I do love songs like that. but i also like 2NE1′s creative way to get the same message across.  
    As for my vote: 2NE1. definitely.  I love CNBLUE too, and I loved Intuition, but even besides the fact that I’m a Blackjack, 2NE1′s video just made more sense, and was more meaningful.  Plus the glow-in-the-dark paint at the end there is simply awesome. xD

  14. XD it seems like the ‘simon rolling the window’ move is becoming part of most of you new videos LOL. awesome spudgy song! wish it was longer though. :(
    and i agree with Wjdzm on the how do you lipsync to a slow-mo mv? o.O cause i dont think they were trying to lip sync in the mv.

  15. CN blue make cuter troublemakers :)  I think i’ll vote for them.

  16. Hmm actually when i watch 2ne1TV season 3, they did talk abt this song. They said this is not only about ” being ugly or not” but the feeling of being alone in your world, nobody understand how you feel though they tried to with their lies  and how you have to act “happy” when you’re not …etc but anyway I have to agree with you guys, this is just ” lack of self-confidence “. Instead of singing ” I think i’m ugly and nobody want to love me…” they should sing ” I think i’m ugly but the inside me is so pretty… ”
    p/s: I’m a huge blackjack and i love the Spudgy song <333 full version please and i will make it as my phone ringtone =p~

  17. Hmm actually when i watch 2ne1TV season 3, they did talk abt this song. They said this is not only about ” being ugly or not” but the feeling of being alone in your world, nobody understand how you feel though they tried to with their lies  and how you have to act “happy” when you’re not …etc but anyway I have to agree with you guys, this is just ” lack of self-confidence “. Instead of singing ” I think i’m ugly and nobody want to love me…” they should sing ” I think i’m ugly but the inside me is so pretty… ”
    p/s: I’m a huge blackjack and i love the Spudgy song <333 full version please and i will make it as my phone ringtone =p~

  18. I kinda agree with u guys about the song Ugly that ppl might find themselves actually humming to the song when they are feeling bad because i found myself doing that when i wasn’t feeling too happy. =/ Although i do like the chorus just because i can sing along to it perfectly lol By the way I love the Spudgy song hehe x]

  19. I kinda agree with u guys about the song Ugly that ppl might find themselves actually humming to the song when they are feeling bad because i found myself doing that when i wasn’t feeling too happy. =/ Although i do like the chorus just because i can sing along to it perfectly lol By the way I love the Spudgy song hehe x]

  20. I kinda agree with u guys about the song Ugly that ppl might find themselves actually humming to the song when they are feeling bad because i found myself doing that when i wasn’t feeling too happy. =/ Although i do like the chorus just because i can sing along to it perfectly lol By the way I love the Spudgy song hehe x]

  21. Oh wow, i nearly died when i saw Simon making parody of the old spice commercials! Hilarious!
    Oh almost forgot… I’m a blackjack through and trough, i think that 2ne1 kicks all of the other girl groups’ ass, but so sorry I gonna have to go with C.N. Blue, cause i really like intuition, plus i’m not such a fan of ugly…. 

  22. In the blooper reel from 1:33 to 1:41, so hilarious!!!!!!!! I about died laughing when Simon said “Oh fu…” (seriously, I laughed so loud my dog nearly fell off the bed). Way to play on inside jokes :D

  23. In the blooper reel from 1:33 to 1:41, so hilarious!!!!!!!! I about died laughing when Simon said “Oh fu…” (seriously, I laughed so loud my dog nearly fell off the bed). Way to play on inside jokes :D

  24. how do you lip snyc with a video going slow-mo…? i guess Kpop people oughta learn enrish to earn them respect from international fans? eh?

  25. how do you lip snyc with a video going slow-mo…? i guess Kpop people oughta learn enrish to earn them respect from international fans? eh?

    • Yeah, they do have to learn English if they want to be international.  If they want to stick to the Korean demographic, fine.  They’ve got that conquered.  But if they want to be the international superpowers that their labels are aspiring for them to be, having bad English is just going to alienate your potential audience who aren’t necessarily understanding, or accepting, of Engrish.  They’ll find it funny before they find it enjoyable.  

    • Yeah, they do have to learn English if they want to be international.  If they want to stick to the Korean demographic, fine.  They’ve got that conquered.  But if they want to be the international superpowers that their labels are aspiring for them to be, having bad English is just going to alienate your potential audience who aren’t necessarily understanding, or accepting, of Engrish.  They’ll find it funny before they find it enjoyable.  

  26. Sorry 2ne1, I love you, but I vote for CN Blue! They are the definition of badass holigans!!! I mean they paint a dude’s car while he is still inside XD Awesome! 

  27. Sorry 2ne1, I love you, but I vote for CN Blue! They are the definition of badass holigans!!! I mean they paint a dude’s car while he is still inside XD Awesome! 

  28. Sorry 2ne1, I love you, but I vote for CN Blue! They are the definition of badass holigans!!! I mean they paint a dude’s car while he is still inside XD Awesome! 

  29. I can’t stop laughing at this blooper reel – whats the song you’re both dancing/AYYY GIRLing off to at 1:43 in the video?

  30. I can’t stop laughing at the dance-off at 1:43 in the video – what song are you AYYY GRRRLing/dancing off to?

  31. not going to disagree with you re: english in korean songs, but i AM going to disagree about switching between languages!! i have a lot of bilingual friends who switch seamlessly between english and spanish when having conversations with other bilingual people. a lot of times it can be mid-sentence that they change what language they use, and other times it can be a scattering of spanish words in an english sentence or vice versa. i have filipino friends who do something similar to that, but i think — not sure, don’t quote me!! — tagalog has some adopted english words to begin with.

    it seems to be a lot more common with, say, my bilingual friends that speak english and spanish vs. my bilingual friends who speak english and chinese, and more often than not the people i know who do it grew up speaking both languages rather than learning a second language later on. so i can’t explain the kpop trend with random english words, but the language switching thing does happen, at least here in california! :)

    • yea i agree with you. I also switch languages when im speaking spanish just because im not comfortable speaking spanish sometimes although i can understand it perfectly nd read nd write it. My friends nd family who are also bilingual also switch languages too or wat a lot of people call spanglish when that happens. By the way im from massachusetts. :)

    • Thats actually true. When I am speaking with my friends, we speak using a mix of Hindi and English without even making any effort. As you said, its got to do with growing up with two languages (three in my case) so you are equally comfortable with more than one language.

    • Thats actually true. When I am speaking with my friends, we speak using a mix of Hindi and English without even making any effort. As you said, its got to do with growing up with two languages (three in my case) so you are equally comfortable with more than one language.

      • See, I’m agreeing with you on this.  I grew up with Polish and English, and would flip flop back and forth with my parents because I’m proficient in both.  Martina doesn’t speak Polish, though, so I don’t speak Polish to her, because that would be weird.  Also, we don’t use French, because we both equally suck at it.  

        How about a rule: only flip to another language if you, and the person you are speaking with, is comfortable with the change?  Maybe?

        • Yeah .. such flip flops have made for some very hilarious and embarrassing moments when you flip to another language only to realize that the person you are talking to has no clue what you are saying cause he is staring at you with an expression that says “Say What????”
          You suck at French? I was under the impression that all Canadians are good at French, or is it only some parts of Canada ..

  32. JUST ANOTHER HEADS UP, the ‘shirt’ that they have previewed here is actually from my (failing) shirt store. Here’s the link again for those interested. And for the ones who are complaining about the lyrics chosen on the shirt, it is just a direct quote from one of their videos. 
    http://kpopfanaddicts.spreadshirt.com/

  33. seriously! this is sooo cute!!!!!~ i think i’m spudgy!!!~

  34. I vote CN Blue! ~

  35. I vote for 2NE1! They’re for sure the baddest…

  36. Mir it’s just so damn cute :c his english it’s the most amazing thing in the world. I vote for CNBLUE, and the ‘Give it to my Y’ I don’t think should be on the shirt because it was more like a pronunciation thing, however I’d still buy that shirt.

  37. Mir it’s just so damn cute :c his english it’s the most amazing thing in the world. I vote for CNBLUE, and the ‘Give it to my Y’ I don’t think should be on the shirt because it was more like a pronunciation thing, however I’d still buy that shirt.

  38. Instead of having UGLY stuck in the head, I have the Spudgy-remix… Can’t stop singing it… 

  39. First of all, I vote CNBLUE (their song is ‘Intuition,’ ‘First Step’ is their album). Flat out love them. I mean, really? Was there really even a competition. CNBLUE spray painted on walls AND cars and glass, jumped over little gates, got away with it all- and above all, played on the roof and disappeared afterwards! 2NE1′s neon paint? It would make me wanna go there more. I like neon and glow in the dark stuff.

    Anyway, on the shirt, you forgot “Fire can easily when dry.”

  40. XD spudgy’s so cute!~ (i’m srry 2NE1) but i think i’m gonna vote for c.n. blue this time
    not really a fan yet but i have a soft spot for them :3 (lol)

  41. I really liked this song >3> I thought it was very catchy!

  42. I’m voting for CNBlue this time. I wasn’t really impressed with this song or this mini album as a whole  plus I love CNBlue more~ keke 

  43. WAHHHH its so hard to pick this week… i guess… 2NE1 though. (that took like, 5 minutes)
    The Mir video… omg, my stomach stills hurt. THAT WAS SO HILARIOUS!!!!! I’d quote but then I would have to quote everything. LOLZ~~~

  44. you guys blew me out with the university of ventriloquism, I had to run to the bathroom. lol

  45. I’m not a huge 2ne1 fan but I like this song. I sometimes catch myself singing the chorus part. I agree that the english in here is superb!! (prolly another reason why I can sing the chorus :P)

    OMG the Mir video!! Adorkably cute!! I was trying to hold my laughter in the office!! Because of that it made me search for other Engrish videos. What a way to destress!! Thank you Simon and Martina!!My friend and I are selling the Supersonic Hypertonic shirts!! Check our site: http://seoulblast.tumblr.com or facebook.com/seoulblast

  46. Just commenting on the writeup here …

    OH GOD CAN SOMEONE MAKE THAT A SHIRT. I’D SO BUY IT LOL!! XD

    And yes, Mir may not be good at English, but I think he himself finds it kind of funny, and he aswell as the rest of the group make jokes out of his English anyway. It’s meant to be laughed at, and it is quite cute I must admit.

  47. really? i always loved this song! my favourite one on the album actually~ well, big fan of u guys!! AND YG!

  48. hee..CN Blue made a more believable badass than 2NE1!..CN Blue gets my vote!

  49. Awww… I was kind of sad when see that you guise review Ugly. But your review is EXACTLY same to mine. And thank you so much for making this review SUPER FUNNY!

  50. Awww… I was kind of sad when see that you guise review Ugly. But your review is EXACTLY same to mine. And thank you so much for making this review SUPER FUNNY!

  51. And by the way! I just changed my ringtone into I’m the Spudgy! 

  52. I remembered watching 2ne1 TV. they said that the word doesn’t really mean looking ugly but instead feeling ugly about themselves. Like the insecurities they have inside. Those are the things 2ne1 want people to love about theirself. UGLY mean  U GOTTA LOVE YOURSELF. So it’s not really contradicting.

    In the poll. I would go for 2NE1. Cause both CN Blue and 2NE1 sprayed the cars, but only 2ne1 can spray on people and splash neon paint in the sidewalk. HAHAHAHA

  53. CN BLUE!! FTW

    his engrish made laugh me

  54. when i saw the poll of BEAST vs SuJu, i thought to myself: BEAST’s dance isn’t funny… it’s super amazing cute! *dies*

    seeing the results, it actually made me sad that BEAST didn’t win… 
    then i remembered that i didn’t want BEAST to win since i thought funny-weird-in-a-bad-way instead of funny-cool.

  55. lol u guys should make the shirt!!!

  56. OMG that spudgy song should be F.A.R.T.’s debut song!!!

  57. My first thought when I see Simon’s body: ” OMG, it’s so awesome just like photoshop-ed! Like a MAN!”

  58. I really like the song of spudgy ! ;) 

  59. I will admit that I didn’t like this song too much at first, but after a few listens, it’s really grown on me :) I love 2NE1!!

  60. I don’t think their messages are contradicting at all. I feel like the message in UGLY screams confidence. It’s like, “I’m ugly? So what!!” How is that not being confident with yourself? 

    Also, I think it’s good for bands/groups to experiment with different kinds of music every once in a while. It can bring in new fans, or at least spark an interest in them. I believe songs like this, with this kind of message, should be madly supported to the max.

    Another thing I wanted to point out was that some people think that this kind of message being delivered by hot Korean chicks is counter-productive. But really, it’s not. Even “pretty” girls (and boys) can have their own insecurities which may make them feel “ugly” on the inside. Too much emphasis is placed on outer appearances which leads to a lot of inner pain and such. I would rather be myself than someone I’m not and feel depressed because of it. 

  61. ok for me I’m a 2ne1 fan but i’m definitely not their biggest fan. sometimes i like them and sometimes i dont. I didn’t really like the song ‘Hate You’ but i actually really loved ‘Ugly’!
    as for mir and his engrish, he is just the most adorable boy i have ever seen/heard! <3 hahaha

  62. I dunno, I (and almost everybody I force to listen to KPOP) think it’s super-cute and endearing when they use engrish.
    Plus, anything that helps me sing along without shouting gibbirish that sounds nothing like korean, is for the better.
    Also, I agree this song was a bit boring, I thought Hate you was better.

  63. SERIOUSLY I AM A HUGE 2ne1 Fan too! But this song is really not their best! I get the message and all! but when i sing the lyrics i don’t feel any confidence on the contrary i feel like i am ugly LOL!
    I love fire because it shows GIRL POWER and thats what 2ne1 represents! I don’t like songs with negative lyrics even though the message is positive!
    I think you guys are doing a great job and its really not easy to satisfy Kpop fans! 

  64. there are a lot of mosquittoes in summer in korea. good to keep that sparay at home

  65. Omo! You’re computer background is Heartstrings… *secretly in love with that drama* 
    Annnd I really agree with the English part!! I can actually sing along, with OUT breaking out my super awesome Engrishness. 

    As for the showdown~ 2NE1 most definitely! 

  66. Oh, and the English is so good because Teddy wrote the song :P

  67. I totally agree with Martina. I didn’t like this song as much as their others…. and i’m a major Blackjack XD

  68. Hmm… I missed the subs… But then I watched it with this…”Hey! Internet will listen and write what it think they are saying!”-subs… That was quite.. Lol..:P

  69. PARK SHIN HYE AND JUNG YONGHWA ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN! :D simon if you add why did you turn on this love show, to that shirt and submit it to Threadless i will totally vote for you. :D

  70. I totally see your point, though I like this song and the others. =) At first I was really disappointed, because the song was boring and then all of a sudden rock at the chorus, and the video was overlayed so it kinda lost that umph they always have and felt like a fanmade mv to me. It was also a letdown because I loved I Am the Best and Hate You and was anticipating something even better. I do like the message though, because I can relate. And I think we always want sad things like this to end on a positive note, but life isn’t always like that. Sometimes I really do feel ugly or fat or stupid, and I don’t always end up thinking positively in the end… To me, this is kind of cathartic in that I can sing out those bad feelings in a rocklike-way, and also know that so many other girls, even prettier ones, feel the same way too sometimes. That yeah, we all hate something about ourselves at times. So I like that. I still don’t like the song as much as some others, but I really like the chorus and bridge. ^_^

    The Mir video was so funny, thank you for posting that! I was laughing so hard and they concluded that he can’t converse in English at all.

    Lastly, my vote (barely) goes to CN Blue. They were pretty badass in that video, and I love it. I mean, breaking into a building at night just to play a song on the roof and then vanishing is more creative than petty vandalism. Though 2ne1 is almost badass enough to make up for the less badass actions in the video.

  71. I guess why KPop bands keep changing their image is becuase they dont have one to start with. The lyrics, music, coreography ,costumes are all decided by their org (YG, SM, Cube, etc). Which is also the reason why so few pop groups last more than a decade. I honestly believe that bands need to develop their own “signtaure”, so as to speak. Look at MJ .. the very word “MJ” conjures up the image of the moonwalk, the hat, the gloves (and the crotch grab). I remember when SHy Boy came out and all of my friends were like “WTF happened to Zinger”

    Great Spudgy song by the way Martina.

  72. I haven’t heard any people say anything when 2NE1 said Can’t Nobody.
    clearly a double negative. haha XD

  73. CN Blue was cool, but then their clothes don’t look bada$$ enough and the group keeps looking back, checking for cops while 2ne1 is super confident. However CNBlue takes down an officer and jumps over stuff, while 2ne1 just vandalizes people and things…
    It’s a tight win, but 2ne1 is better cause of their confidence. 

  74. Hey what was that song you guys were dancing to in this blooper video? I’m pretty sure i might have heard it somewhere.

  75. Totally agree with your critique. I only recently discovered 2NE1, and the “I’m the Best” sound became definitive for me. So when I heard/saw some of their previous videos, I was a bit confused and disappointed, Embrace your badassness, girls!

    Also, the Spudgy song is catchy as hell. Please to be making a MV, with at least three custom-made little outfits and wigs.

  76. i like this song, i love the chorus and the message. i have to disagree with you guys.

  77. I have to disagree on the concept issue.

    I think of this as Korea’s version of Xtina’s Stripped.

    Christina had songs about feeling unstoppable (Can’t Hold Us Down = I Am The Best (or Can’t Nobody)), overcoming tough situations (Fighter/Walk Away = Hate You), confidence issues (Beautiful = Ugly), having a tough time in a relationship (Underappreciated/Impossible = Lonely) along with songs about moving on (I’m Ok/Keep On Signing my Song = Don’t Cry). But then Xtina had songs like Get Mine, Get Yours and Stripped about… well sex which 2NE1 (*cough*censors*cough*) doesn’t have but let’s just think of them as party anthems like Don’t Stop the Music.

    Do many US artists have a theme for their albums, yes, but for pop icons (like Britney and Jessica Simpson) that is less so the case and so is it for idols that try to appeal to a wide audience in Korea.
    I don’t feel that the songs are any more contradictory than the youths to which they are trying to connect to. We all have good days and bad days and there isn’t any reason why 2NE1 can’t get us through any type of day.

    What I appreciate is that they never lose their tougher image and remain in control even through bad situations and that’s what I liked about Christina, she worked her spider costume in Fighter just as well as she rocked her assless chaps in Dirrty!

  78. when’s F.ART making a debut??? I can’t wait to see their use of English in their songs xD
    My vote goes to 2NE1′s Ugly cuz well….to disagree once…I LOVE this song! I think because of the staging and the rock rhythm it makes me feel a lot more confident and carefree about myself whenever i listen to it.
    Thanks for reviewing 2NE1 :D Great job as usual :)

  79. Hey, Simon and Martina.. always love your Music Monday reviews.  Thanks for another good one!

    There are a few points towards which I felt compelled to reply…  since 2NE1 is my hands down favorite, I’m OK with it being chalked up to blind bias. 

    Apologies if these points were made already by others… there are too many comments to keep track!

    First, Teddy himself said that the term UGLY was not intended to be one dimensional.  It could refer to being an outcast or different from the rest and not mainstream.  You two can certainly relate to that.  I think this notion speaks to those who feel like they are being patronized by obviously pretty girls (cause they are pretty) saying they are ugly.  Well, we all love 2NE1 because they are not the same as everyone else… because YG doesn’t do things like everyone else… because to their blue chip talent, showing a different side of themselves is important and gives dimension to the music they promote.

    Next, I agree you want there to be a turning point in the song like you want the hero to win and your side to prevail….but you know, I find myself feeling the song, singing it, belting it out and the satisfaction I get isn’t that there’s an answer.  My situation may different than yours or anyone else’s so what I need is empathy and I feel like when I finally read the translated lyrics that this song gets how I feel. I don’t need them to help me… just get me.  

    This comes best from a group like 2NE1 because if you have been a fan since the beginning, you feel like you know them…like they are your friends… like you could be sitting around in their living room figuring out where you were gonna go to dinner that night. It feels personal because you know the stories… that Dara was a foreigner and worked through that to become successful only to 

    Anyway… that’s about it… you guys are always entertaining and I love how you take the English portion of your review so seriously.  It’s funny because it’s been said that what messes up English songs is that we can understand them. So it really sucks when you’re digging the feel of a KPOP song completely oblivious to any corny lyrics when they throw some nasty broken English in there.  I say take a lesson from YG and Simon but definitely keep doing it… I suspect it’s a key part to the Hallyu!

    Thanks!  I vote for 2NE1 by the way… ’nuff said. 

  80. You forgot to put “Because I knotty knotty” on the t-shirt ^___^

  81. Jestem ciekawa czy Simon mnie rozumie :)
    Well, i think Ugly is a good song. It’s catchy, because i can quickly remember chorus in english.

  82. LOL guys, Korean idols’d breaking out into Polish would be quite… ehem..:P I’m a Pole and I know lots of Koreans living out here n well… they all spell polish words with Russian accent, quite funny to hear;) But recently some languages other than English also have started invading k-pop songs (Spanish, French) and they usually sound as weird and as random as the “engrish” moments;) My favs are Spanish words spelled with English accent (“emigou”, “fiyesta”). Great vid by the way, the Spudgy song rocks:D

  83. This is something where we disagree. I’ve always liked 2ne1 better when they do songs like this. Yeah, it would’ve been better if the lyrics had had a turning point somewhere, but I still like it a lot. For me, I’m the Best was a disappointment, I Hate You was better and Ugly is beautiful, haha~ Just like Go Away was my favourite before.

  84. damn simon you got that 6 pack but nothing beats my 6 pack of blubber!! :P lol

  85. us that Simon’s REAL body?

  86. I wasn’t sure about this song at first either, but it’s grown on me now! I know what you mean about the flip flop between cute and strong, but I always thought of it as a positive side of Kpop musicians, as it shows they are quite versatile. Some Kpop celebrities that were brought up outside Korea find it a bit hard to be cute (eg: Jay Park) and I think that limits him a little.

    I think that all women (and probably some men too!) wear many hats through our lives, and we can be insecure one minute but positive the next, depending on the situation. Their message can be taken in a variety of ways, as it addresses the issues women today face on a daily basis!

    Thanks for your Kpop Music Mondays! Love ‘em, so keep them coming!
    GOOOO SPUDGY!

  87. I vote for 2ne1 cuz nobody will tell on 2ne1 cuz they’re scared of being killed by fired mega murder, while with C.N. Blue people would be like “Yeah it was totally C.N. Blue, lets go tell the cops!” and C.N. Blue would be like “Aw, come on guise…Guuuuiiiisssse? No!  We dont wanna go to jailz!” But 2ne1 would be like “RRRAAAAAWWWWR! FIRE MURDER!!!! BILASA! WE GONNA GO AND KEEELLLZ THEM DRUMMERS!!!!”

  88. lol “I’m the Spudgy” feels like it could be a song in Phineas and Ferb.

  89. First off, LOVE the bg (i just finished episode 13 of Heartstrings).
    as for the showdown, i say CNBlue, cuz as much as i love 2ne1 (my fave girls) all they did was some vandalism and spray-paint some girls. CNBlue did vandalism while running from cops, breaking and entering, and (i think) punching that security guard. i havnt seen that vid in a while.
    also..LOVE the spudgy song!! ^^ thats gonna be in my head all day….

  90. For me, I think the contrast between “I am the Best” and “Ugly” isn’t the same kind of contrast as that between “Aegyo” and “Sexy”. I totally see what you mean when Kpop groups suddenly become different people in their videos. In 2NE1′s case, I think it makes sense. What are they criticized the most for? Their appearance. I think with their position in KPop, they probably get more flack and feel more insecure about the way they look than a lot of other groups that have stereotypically beautiful people in them. I think this song is honest, and that’s why it’s maybe a little uncomfortable. And you’re right — the video is what makes this song’s message come alive. Even though they feel ugly, they’re still proud of who they are. I think it was nice to see a bit of insecurity from the fiercest girl group in KPop. It’s something everyone can relate to, and it’s empowering to know that we all have the same feelings, and that 2NE1 still has the guts and passion to work their butts off, be the best, and have fun doing it, DESPITE their insecurities.

    And I noticed someone else said it, too, but I think the album follows a progression. They’re confident, and then they break down, think they’re ugly, then they’re lonely, and eventually they say “screw it, I hate you, and I’m better off without you” and then they’re back to their normal confident selves.

    That being said, I’m still glad you reviewed this song, because your videos are always highly entertaining. The old spice guy thing — HILARIOUS. How in the world did you edit that? lol

    • “And I noticed someone else said it, too, but I think the album follows a progression. They’re confident, and then they break down, think they’re ugly, then they’re lonely, and eventually they say “screw it, I hate you, and I’m better off without you” and then they’re back to their normal confident selves.”

      I can give an example, P!nk’s Funhouse album. She expressed a variety of emotions through this album. She showed confidence in So What, loneliness and regret in Sober. I think that album progressed wonderfully. I think this album showed similar progression, but, to get the full message of the song you HAVE to watch the video. There’s no indication in the lyrics that they are okay with themselves and embrace their ‘ugliness’. 

  91. i love your computer background :) heartstrings <3

  92. Ah! I really intend in making a t-shirt with the worst uses of English in kpop songs! Here are my favorites :
    -Fantastic Elastic (Ring Ding Dong – SHINee)
    -It’s looks like purple line (Purple Line – DBSK)
    -I really wanna touch myself (Purple Line – DBSK)
    -We gotta purple like that (Purple Line – DBSK)
    -Everytime I special (Special – B2ST)
    -Don’t deny our r squared pi (0330 – UKISS)
    -Make a love baby (Beautiful – B2ST)
    -Give it to my Y (Y – MBLAQ)
    -Loverholic Robotronic (Lucifer – SHINee)

  93. Hmm, a not-exactly related comment about why Kpop likes to use English phrases – personally I think it’s because to us, the English-speaking international audience of Kpop, we tend to identify the segments of the song that are more familiar to us, which is – the English lyrics. And so by putting parts of the lyrics in English (esp in the chorus), the song becomes more catchy and memorable (because it is infinitely easier to remember a few words that you already know than a bunch of syllables that sound like gibberish to you, no?).
    (Which might partially explain why Sorry Sorry was so viral. :P)

  94. I love 2ne1 but CN Blue should will for the showdown because they were doing legit vandalism (spray painting a car and wall AND breaking into a giant office building) while 2ne1 just did the predictable hulligan-like things. Did they have a whole squad of police after them?? I think not!! They must have done some pretty bad vandalism and disturbance of the peace to have police chasing after them. And a true hulligan never gets caught since the police missed them every single time! Including when they had their rock-out session on the roof of the building they broke into IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. So yes, CN Blue should win!!!

  95. I totally agree with the aspects of the video. They had a different director for this one and though it looks all flashy, the meaning was a bit lost to me.  I wish they had taken it more literally and more in your face kind of video instead of putting up this abstract meanings. And yes, I’m a BJ fan with an open minded outlook. So come at me you haters, I like fighting back. >=)

    Btw, love the spudgy remix in the end, haha.

  96. Thank you for FINALLY doing this!!^^
    I may not wholeheartedly agree with some of your opinion, but it was really nice to hear what you’ve gotta say about this song =)

    I LOVE 2ne1 for not being afraid too unconventional and addressing issues that are normally NOT talked about~~

    ~there’s NOTHING wrong with feeling UGLY at times and to yell it LOUD and PROUD through this song is VERY liberating for me =)

    thanks for your KPOP love Simon and Martina!! =)
    I’m the Spudgy is my new ringtone!!!…0_0

  97. haha…i love your guys spudgy song! <3 this week i'm voting for 2ne1.

  98. 2NE1.. CNBlue is cool and all but idk plus I heard that the song Ugly doesnt mean beauty but if you have a nasty attitude or you just a rebel. You know the kind of people that other people wouldn’t mind if the died.

  99. 2NE1. They weren’t afraid to go there & be a straight up B.A
    hulligan! Sure CNBlue may have vandalized a car & a wall (which
    could easily be fixed w/ paint) but their hulligan-ness was nothing
    compared to 2NE1. They broke into buildings, broke a glass window,
    spray painted a police car, walls & even people. & they even
    dared 2 bring out neon paint & destroy everything in sight with it.
    Think there damage was done? NO! They then blew up the flippin’
    building. 2NE1 hands down are the BA hulligans!

  100. I love song about Spudgy! Martina you now have your own single! ^^
    Thank you Teddy for such good English! ^^
    Voted for CNBlue ^^

  101. I love song about Spudgy! Martina you now have your own single! ^^
    Thank you Teddy for such good English! ^^
    Voted for CNBlue ^^

  102. Vote for CN Blue ^^ And… Is it was heartstrings on your laptop? xD

  103. Vote for CN Blue ^^ And… Is it was heartstrings on your laptop? xD

  104. LOL Martina lip synching. 

  105. I always feel uneasy when conventionally attractive people sing about how “ugly” they are. Especially when it comes to no resolution. If 2ne1 is ugly, a good chunk of the world are eldritch abominations. And then no one wants to love ugly people, apparently, so they will all be forever alone. Upset eldritch abominations pose a big threat to the existence of the universe, yo.

    • A lot of people in Korea think that the girls aren’t as attractive as some of the other girls groups. At least that’s what my friend told me.( she’s from Korea)

    • I think even the most beautiful people in the world feel just as ugly as some of the rest of us sometimes, especially people who are constantly critiqued in the public eye. Obviously the girls in 2NE1 look great, and they’re fabulous, but they’re often put up against people “more pretty” to the Korean audience than they are, and so of course they’re going to have moments when they feel insecure. I don’t think it’s fair to say that “beautiful people can’t feel ugly, because what does that make us?” Just because they ARE pretty, it doesn’t mean that they never FEEL ugly.

      • Like I said, the song comes to no resolution. It’s just “I want to be pretty because I’m ugly and don’t tell me otherwise”. And I never said they can’t -feel- insecure, because people can feel whatever they want. But to parade it around that they’re “ugly” and make a big show out of it, when they’re not? Yeah, that’s a bit different.

        And listening to pretty people say they’re ugly is like listening to people who wear a US size 4 say they’re fat. Either they have a body image disorder, or they’re looking for “Oh nooo you aren’t fat!!!” Neither one is a good thing to promote, in my opinion.

  106. OMGD! You danced the “I’m gaving an Affair” by GG! LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  107. http://kpopfanaddicts.spreadshirt.com/eat-your-kimchi-fanshirt-A7883561/customize/color/2

    My friend and I made that fanshirt that is on this page… since someone was using the preview I thought I should let you know the source XP

  108. OMG! I love you guys! And that Spudgy song takes the cake! XD

  109. Marina I really like your singing ~~<3 If you take lessons you might as well become a kpop idol o.o Look out Simon one day all kpop guys will look for Martina and you might as well look for the prince on the white horse because that will BE TOP xD Martina Jangg — the new kpop idol x3

  110. Well, Teddy did say he was probably depressed when he wrote it. Hurr.
    ‘Ugly’ actually sounds so anthem-ic to me. I guess it’s because you can’t always rely on the lyrics to tell you what the song means. The sound of the song is what tells me that it’s okay to be ‘ugly’ – I mean, it contradicts what the lyrics superficially tells us. So yeah.

  111. I gotta be honest. The first time I heard UGLY, I didn’t like it too. I was kinda looking forward to it because they said something about it being rock, but in the end, yeah it’s just “meh.” I think I learned to love it because of what the song represent. Yeah there was nothing positive about the lyrics at all! Haha But when they perform it, I believed it to be an uplifting song because that’s what they want the song to represent. Thanks for reviewing the song! <3

  112. I love spudgy song. Martina I love your voice. Can you do the hole song XD

  113. I FRIGGIN LOVE MBLAQQQ MiReU! LOVE HIM ENRGISH POWRA! WRAFFRES

  114. Spudgy song! Yay! I love it!
    And I agree: when I heard the song I was like “wtf?”O__o First they sang “I’m the best” and now “I think I’m ugly”. I think that there should be a song like “I think I’m ugly and nobody wants to love me, but I don’t ca-a-a-a-a-are, because naega jeil jal naga!” :D

  115. Hahaha can’t stop LOL-ing with the lip syching Martina! 

    Ohh I wish I can share with you the link of 2NE1 TV Season 3 Episode 5 part 2 (Phew!) where Teddy (2NE1 song’s composer) explained about “Ugly”.. He mentioned there that the song is not just about the physical attributes, it’s also about feeling left out in the society, feeling of being not listened to, not being part of the society’s standards.. and instead of burying your self with your lacking/insecurities, you have to embrace who/what you are and and make the best out of it. :) The translation and the “lyrics in a surface” does not represent the whole song.. As a matter of fact, for me it’s their most empowering song (not just for girls, but as a whole), you just have to listen beyond the words. I’ll try to search the video and share it with you :)

    OMMO Simon for a sec I thought you really have 6 packs! hahahahaI vote for 2NE1 of course, BADASS GIRLS OF YG!

  116. The song is good actually but.. well, it’s ur opinion, rite? ^^;;

  117. Best thugs:  CNBlue!

  118. The reason why i didn’t voted 2NE1 for kpop music mondays, because i already see this kind of review coming. Watching this made me feel uneasy… As they say truth hurts. Atleast you guys were pretty honest and non-bias. You are fearless and i pay respect to you both.

    BUT… If you’re wondering why the flip flop thingys (bad boys—cute boys—bad boys)… well those are so called “concepts”.Inconsistency, true. but if you come to think of it, what if a person only sings loud music through out the years, wouldn’t it be tiring for both them and the listeners. Of course people need something new or a roller coaster feel. A new image. Those kind of flip flop thingys make the group unpredictable. Ok?

    For the showdown, i vote 2NE1. haha! ^^

    P.S… Thank you for giving 2NE1 6/5 for the english. XD

    • See, we thought about that, too.  We don’t like it when bands stick to the same concept throughout the years.  We like to see a coherent concept within an album, though, and the next album be a growth from that album.  That’s what we’re a bit more interested in: every album, in our opinion, should be a coherent whole, and the next album should evolve from the previous album.  Radiohead’s a great example.

      Maybe it’s because we’re North American?  Albums should have coherent concepts, and songs should show the different ways in which the band deals with the concept, and the next album should deal with something different.  Having different concepts within the album, though, is odd.

      Also, we’re talking about a band’s image in Kpop here.  Your image should state what you are, what you stand for.  Flip flopping your image, from one song to the next, just seems insincere, we think, like they’re actors playing in different movies, rather than artists in a band.

      • I agree with the coherent concept part. Some of the Kpop groups seem to be all over the place. It seems that all these bands are just put together by these companies and they are practically run by these companies. I wonder if this has anything to do with this. 

      • Okay i got your point. And it is something i would agree on. . . . .  yeah you’re right. I rest my case. 
         But that’s how kpop do their thing, i guess. They want variety stuffs on their album, or~~ the other songs are just fillers, coz sometimes the title track is the only deal. i don’t know.

      • yeah but if you think about it their album also has a concept : some stupid boy broke up with one ( or all ) of them then they thought “I’m ugly” then they reached the next step which was I hate you,  they killed the super robot monster blondie guy and at the end of the day their conclusion was that they are the best. : D or something like this… oh and you video was super.

  119. LOLOLOL~ ♥

  120. hehe.. kool =D
    for sum reason, i always agree on wat everythin u guys say on every kpop M. Mondays… ^_^
    .
    btw wat song was played in the bloopers at 1:42 =)

  121. Yes! We have the same opinion on the song! I tried to explain to my brother that the message this song gives out is: “I’m ugly” – that’s it, there’s no revelation or anything thing like that. It’s makes me rather depressed whenever I sing along with the song, because all I’m saying is that I’m ugly and alone (thank you, 2NE1). Um.. yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said in this post. The spudgy song is awesome, too!

  122. Love the Spudgy song!  You have a really nice voice, Martina ^_^

  123. LOL at the Spudgy song. :P Btw, nice review guys.

  124. B2ST’s fiction dance just reminds me how I dry my feet after getting out of the shower. XD

  125. Oh and:
    C. I better see a mad gif of shirtless Simon somewhere soon >:]
    LIKE DIS: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpmasueHJP1qhr4hvo1_500.gif :D (not mine!)

  126. ♫ Cuz I’m the Spudgy
    and everybody wants to hug me
    Look at me _______ so pretty
    Oh yes I’m so pretty
    Pet me on the face
    Cuz I’m the Spudgy~♫

  127. A. That’s about to be my new message alert so thank you Martina LOL
    B. GREAT review. See, even Martina acknowledged that she’s a fan of the song, and it didn’t do it for her…>.> *side-eyeing the silly bananas on tumblr who don’t understand what “review” means*

  128. I SEE SPUDGY! @ 2:33 <3 <3 <3 AHHHHHHHHHHHh

  129. buahaha i’m the spudgy. i think it’s great that you guys were honest about not liking the song, i mean you don’t have to and it’s good that you aren’t just saying yay i like it to everything. and teddy is osm. 

  130. Oh, SIMON, you DEVIL, hiding such a hot body under T-Shirts (ROFL).
    Show up yourself……LIKE a MAN :)
    Such hotness, no wonder that your hair has gone red xD

  131. You guys rock. Continue with the fearless reviews!

  132. I didn’t like Ugly us much, but you guys were sooo harsh T_T

    • Really I didn’t think that they were that harsh, personally I love Ugly, I do agree with somethings that they said, but they weren’t that harsh.

      • I agree with them on some of the stuff, especially the contradictory message with ‘I am the best’, but it didn’t bother me as much as I don’t expect all songs sang by an artist to meld together.  plus unlike them I prefer the rest of the song, what I don’t like is the chorus… But my comment was made in half jest,I love simon and martina :)

  133. I’m seriously LOL-ing at Simon’s Photoshopped body and the total homage to that deodorant commercial. You ain’t “Ugly” Simon! No need to Photoshop yourself! We think you are cute! 

  134. “We still love that 2NE1 – and Amber from f(x) – are pretty much the only kpop idols out their that make an effort to present Korean girls with an alter image of femininity that doesn’t follow the typical Korean cutey/sexy girl pattern.”

    Oh no! Hurry and change it before everyone else sees it!! >.<

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