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Kpop Music Mondays: Girls Generation “Mr Mr”

March 4, 2014

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Shazaaam! Girls’ Generation are back with an awesome song! We let you know why we thought it was good in our video. Also, 2NE1’s video just came out today, but just a bit too late for us to do a comparison of the two. Both are totally different songs and videos. I’m not sure which song I like more, really. Hmm. Will have to think about that more for next week.

What are your thoughts on the Girls Generation video? There are some things about it that just seem ill planned. One of the things we didn’t talk about in our video is that parking lot scene. Girls Generation walk off the camera, and instead of the edit ending there and cutting to something else, it goes on for another few seconds to look at the cars, and then you notice some dudes in the back start…dancing or waving or something? I don’t know. It just didn’t seem necessary at all, and seems rather indicative of a video that wasn’t well edited. The sets, costume, and props were all cool looking, but I wish that the editor stepped away and let the video speak for itself. Take a look at how clean “Hoot” was edited compared to this video, and you’ll see what I mean.

Soo Zee was really passionate about talking about the song, though. We were surprised that she didn’t like the song and how it made her skin crawl. It was for reasons that we didn’t get into in the video, because Soo Zee had a difficult enough time expressing her disdain without cringing, but the part after “Mr. Mr.” they say “you’re the best guy!” and it’s – in Korean – corny beyond all words. Our Korean isn’t good enough to know whether something’s corny or not, because we still say “Assah!” whenever we do something right, and supposedly that’s corny as well, but when have we ever let corniness stop us? I think Soo Zee’s just too cool for this song. All I know now is that I find the chorus a wee bit ruined for me now.

So, one of the things we’ve suggested in this video is that Kpop in 2013 was weaker than usual. 2009-2012 were, for us, the glory years. SHINee, Big Bang, Girls Generation, 2NE1, 2PM, Miss A, Bilasa, Hyuna, Super Junior, all had great songs and fun videos that we were super excited about. 2013, though, just didn’t have that. Some videos were good, but a vast majority of them left us underwhelmed, and we didn’t feel the same level of excitement towards Kpop that we usually do. And, like we said, we’re not the only ones we know who feel this way. Kpop videos aren’t getting the same amount of views, either, it seems. But this is a conversation we’ve only had with 10-15 or so other people. We know a lot more people online than offline, so let us know what you think. Is Kpop as good as it always was, or was 2013 not that great of a year?

Anyhow, we have higher hopes for this year. Girls Generation’s song was great, 2NE1’s two videos are pretty sweet, and everything else that comes out is gonna be fantastic elastic. FANTASTIC ELASTIC, I SAY!

Bloopers

We’ve got a few bloopers from this week’s Music Monday. Martina has another brainfart with the word “segmented” and I make out with a cat to try to cope with a bad headache. Is it the yellow dust or something? I don’t know. All I know is that cat snuggles make everything better:

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  1. I’ve been listening to k-pop since 2009. Honestly, I’m not as into it as I once was.

    2013 just wasn’t a good year for k-pop. A lot of the the big name groups/artists came out with less than great tracks. But we also got some hidden gems (off the top of my head – Exo, Girl’s Day, Vixx, Crayon Pop) that really shined through. So it was hit or miss (with a lot of more misses). Also there were only a few groups/solos who debuted that show great potential – basically those who won all of the rookie awards at the end of the year. Even though I highly disliked the great influx of groups over the years, there was always a handful that show great potential. Last year not so much. But the groups/artists that do definitely deserved all the rookie awards because of their talent and potential.

    2 years ago
  2. I’ve been a fan of kpop in 2011 and I can see many changes. I actually review old kpop videos and all and I think 2008-2012 are the best years. 2013 … just meh for me just like what u guys think. It fells like they forgot the true meaning of kpop itself. People think kpop is a group of people singing and dancing and all but to me there are actually more than that but in 2013, I feel nothing. I didn’t feel excited like I used too. Usually I would always watch music programs and excited to listen to the new songs by kpop groups and all but now I stopped watching it. Every time I watch it, same typical MV, same themes (which is sexy) that I feel bored of kpop. And I also feel awkward watching MV’s or music programs because TOO MUCH SEXY CONCEPT ! MANY OF KPOP FANS ARE UNDERAGE THAT I THINK IT WILL BRING BAD INFLUENCE TO THEM ! I ALSO FEEL SO AWKWARD WATCHING IT WITH MY FAMILY OR FRIENDS. There are not many catchy songs that year and all the good groups are so quiet … the new group on the other kinda fail it. I hope this year, I can feel excited again watching or listening to kpop. For now I already pumped up with 2NE1 and SNSD (although i prefer IGAB more than Mr Mr but it’s still good) so I’m waiting for more in the future.

    2 years ago
  3. I liked 2013 kpop-wise. there were some really nice songs like “love options” by “bestie”, “number 9” by “t-ara”, “aa”s “midnight taxi” and alot others, what really annoyed me was this crazy hyping of some bands/songs (like exo -.- in my opinion they didn’t do anything special to get so much recognition) and of course this crazy fanwars o.O.
    i have been listening to kpop since 2010, when a friend introduced me to “sorry sorry” from suju and then i saw “gee” but “lupin” by kara then really got me into kpop.

    2 years ago
  4. I’ve been listening to Kpop since 2009 I think, or when 2ne1 was becoming big. 2013 didn’t have as many mind-blowing songs as 2012. That said, that year was hard to beat, I mean Psy, BigBang, 2ne1, missA, infinite (the chaser), Busker Busker, f(x)…
    When I first started listening to Kpop I was very impressed by the choreographies, the songs felt fresh & new. However after a period of time, your expectations become higher & higher and to be honest, it feels as though concepts are getting too repetitive… 2013 only had a few songs I reaaaaally liked (Seungri was awesoooooooooome). 2014 started well (BigBang announced a come back gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah & 2ne1 is back again!) at least!
    One thing I don’t like about SNSD is that Hyoyeon is a shadow, we don’t really see her much in MVs and performances, even after 6 years…

    2 years ago
  5. I’ve been a fan since 2010, ever since my friend introduced me to SHINee (bless her heart) and the wonderful world of K-pop. I was die hard for all of K-pop up to 2013, when I was super excited about all my favorite groups doing combacks but none of them made me feel as happy as the music from their earlier comebacks and albums. They were good, but just didn’t quite hit that musical genius spot, you know? So for a couple of months, I just stopped listening to K-pop all together. Nothing really interested me, everything was sort of meh, and I was enjoying other music more.

    Then my sister started getting into K-pop (she’s a huge exotic) and I decided to listen to some older k-pop songs that really made me dance. That was the start of this year. Then I heard 2NE1 (my all time favorite girl band) was coming out with a new album and videos. I got psyched and WAS NOT DISSAPOINTED! Mr Mr was also great and I have finally seen the K-pop light. (All is not lost!) 2NE1’s album is phenomenal and it has so much diversity. They touched on some of my favorite genres and I really love that they went outside the box with their music this time around. All in all, I am expecting a great year for K-pop in 2014. We’re already off to a good start.

    I feel like the golden years for K-pop were 2009 to 2012 as well, (even thought I didn’t start listening until 2010, but I have checked out the earlier videos)

    BTW Martina, I whole-heartedly agree with you! Nice to know someone has the same opinions as me!

    2 years ago
  6. I really liked this review! Yay! I don’t really agree with the song though, I found it average to be honest just because it was better than I got a boy for me doesn’t make it a masterpiece like everyone’s saying. I guess it just comes back to preference of songs and music. But I do agree that kpop was kind of bland for me last year. The only releases I really oved was B.A.P’s and SECRET’s with some occasional sprouts of good songs here and there. ALL THE “SEXY” CONCEPTS OH GOD THEY GET TIRING, but they work to gain popularity so I guess I can’t say that much about it now. I feel that since about Gangnam style, kpop tried to get out and evolve to fit western standards, which hey kinda worked sometimes but it wasn’t that appealing to me and to a lot of people I know. I don’t know how to explain it really.

    Preach it about the sexy concepts girl! I don’t really enjoy all of these off with your shirts and get as little clothing as possible concepts. Maybe that’s why SECRET appealed to me so much with Magic, Madonna and Poison (and also B.A.P) they showed a confidence in themselves and DAMN that was good. I actually do sense a powerful concept coming out from secret soon (Hyoseong kind of released a secret about it YAY) because even though I love their cute songs, nothing can live up to Madonna, Magic, Love is Move etc. *insert tears of joy and nostalgia here*

    Also: I’ve been jamming out to K-pop since about beginning of 2011 but I only discovered the indie, hip hop and rock scene in late 2012-start of 2013 AND DAMN I’VE MISSED OUT!

    2 years ago
  7. I’ve been listening to K-pop since 2007 and I have seen many changes in the Industry, particularly on music videos. I feel like they’re given a lot more emphasis now days due to the fact their accessible for international fans to enjoy, and since they’re released on a popular platform ie. YouTube, it allows people that generally wouldn’t have the ability to listen to foreign style music to do so. Since getting into K-pop I’ve explored many of the Asian markets as a part of self exploration to find out what music is truly out there as both a personal interest and part of my major. I’ve since fallen in love with Japanese, Taiwan, China, Mongolia and some Indonesian artists and I wouldn’t have had the chance too without Youtube. So I think K-pop has definitely changed and ‘modernised’ itself with the influx of international fans and it will continue to become more commercialised as K-pop groups gain popularity and start to creep into the States which is the hardest music market to penetrate….World famous artists from Australia haven’t even had much success in the US, so it’s unlikely we will see any real success soon, but they will keep trying and their fans will support them, just like they did when WG tried but ultimately failed to succeed in the states. I think it’s important to evolve and change (progress) in any kind of market environment, but never forget where you came from, I think K-pop is losing some of it’s Korean-ism and I would like to see more of that injected back into the mainstream….anyone for some dang good Trot music :P

    2 years ago
    • TROT MUSIC! We hear some wicked stuff blasting in the taxis and when you ask the driver the name of the song they’re like, “Uh…I don’t know.” It’s just on the radio and amazing. I wish we would review old K-trot. AND K-disco! OMG! SO GOOOODD!!!

      2 years ago
      • Seriously, you should consider an EatYourKimchi *TROT* section. Use the “SoundHound” or “Shazam” apps to identify in the taxi … or use SOO ZEE. :D

        I love when Kpop artists cover Trot songs, or when they perform Pansori 판소리 It’s hilarious and/or mighty impressive! And we learn the roots and traditional music they grew up hearing. Programs such as “Immortal Song 2” and “I am a Singer” have introduced me to many amazing songs from Korea’s singers of the past.

        2 years ago
      • LOL YES Please review trot music xD

        2 years ago
      • Omg…they need to have a Trot Radio station dedicated to just good old Trot music and K-disco…they’re my favourite genre’s. I just think retro style K-pop is so damn good. Park Ji Yoon’s Beep has me by the scruff of my neck for weeks now, I’m totally in love haha. I just wish there was more of it.

        (You replied to me…*Squeeeee* It feels like Christmas xD)

        2 years ago
        • Thanks for the recommend, I really liked “Beep”. It’s just too damned bad that, like the rest of kpop lately, all of her other songs are completely different genres, even from the same album. Kpop needs to get back some consistency.

          2 years ago
  8. I have been into Kpop since 2008/2009 ever since I watched Boys Over Flowers. I feel like the golden years of Kpop was 2009 and 2010.
    However now I feel like a lot of the Kpop concepts are them trying to be too “Americanized” with overly sexy and hip hop concepts. They work for some groups that are meant to have that style but too much is too much.
    Also a lot of the songs are beginning to sound the same. I feel like it is difficult to find original songs now.

    I hope they go for an old kpop style soon.

    2 years ago
  9. This week’s KMM seemed to just fly by, but it was good and focused too. The bloopers were in the wrong order though.

    I really liked SooZee’s inclusion because I often wonder what the lyrics mean in kpop but rarely check. Part of why I migrated to kpop in the first place is because I became bored with the high level of banale lyrics of North American music, will Koreans migrate their interests elsewhere for the same reason? Or have they already?

    I’ve been in to kpop since late 2009, I forget how I tangented on youtube that first time but it was SNSD and Kara that hooked me with their fun tunes, their adorable and fashionable music videos and their spunk. I like to dance, I like to have fun and dance, that’s what I like about kpop – a fountain of new fun dancey tunes. I had never really been in to jpop because it just seemed TOO TOO TOO cutesy and fabricated to me. Kpop seemed to kick it up a level to where I was more comfortable. I found 2013 to be a really lackluster year for kpop, I even started hunting for other music. There were some fun songs but the videos just too much TnA crotch rubbing, or too serious. Some of the songs I really liked never even made it higher than page 6 of the EYK kpop charts because there was just too much high profile stuff released that, weren’t my thing. Maybe the Korean government switched the PR budget from kpop to the Olympics for the year?

    I kind of felt that “Mr Mr” was still 3 songs in one, but a much better melding than, say, “I Got a Boy”, maybe because there was no rap – but I somewhat liked it. The video was just weird and, other than the dance scenes, I lost the plot, it was kind of gross, and …..just weird. Like I stumped upon someone’s old VHS copy of a made-for-tv B-movie. Whatever else I might thing of 2ne1’s new video, those are some ridiculously high production values – whoa! If I compare “Mr Mr” to Kara’s “Mister” (one of my first kpop faves) though, this video and song are just not even close to on the same level of awesome.

    Cyber_3 – learning to check my hair after I take my hat off ;)

    2 years ago
    • That’s one of the reasons we mention when we do interviews/shows that ask us why non-Korean people like Kpop: it’s good to listen to pop songs without the burden of listening to trite lyrics. Soo Zee, however, was not exempt from that in her reaction to the chorus today :D

      2 years ago
      • That’s thing I can’t fully relate to.I’m from small non-English speaking country where most people don’t have a clue about most lyrics even on uber-mainstream radio stations.
        Actually…I just realized one of my friends is Korean and she dislike K-pop but she listens to Czech pop. I like K-pop and find Czech pop garbage. Hmmm….there needs to be sociological study on this.

        2 years ago
  10. I get into Kpop in 2012, so I can’t say how much it changed. But hearing the new songs I realized that sometimes they are forced to much to be more “Western” showing a sexuality that is not common in Korea. And Kpop attracted me fot its innocence, cuteness and no need to show your butt for success … As Martina said about TOP, what makes someone sexy to me is the ability to seduce in a suit or a long dress. So …I just wish Kpop could be more Kpop hahhaha .. But I still love it.. cuz they are so talented!!! *-*

    2 years ago
  11. Yeah, 2013 for pop music in general just seemed really bad. I think the problem is that it was just so dull, everything I heard (with a few exceptions) was just meh.
    I started listening in 2009/10 (although I had heard a few DBSK songs beforehand – balloons was technically my first Kpop song) and got really into it.

    2 years ago
  12. I’ve been a Kpop fan since around January of 2010. Can I count that I’ve been a fan before that because I listened to BoA’s Japanese tracks beforehand? No? Yes? Maybe? I can also literally recount exactly how I got into Kpop as well, but that’s a pretty boring story (thanks to YouTube though).

    I’m pretty much agreeing with what people have to say. Kpop, in general, lost it’s integrity once 2011 came in. Maybe it’s because they say how big the Hallyu wave was getting and they wanted to ride it before it dies down. Subsequently, it seemed that they also started tailoring their songs to fit the “Western” trends that were occurring (but sorry to say it Kpop, you were way too late on those trends. Pop idols were starting to move into new sounds when you started your year of “let’s make everything have a dubstep dance break in it!”).

    My favorite songs from each group actually come from 2010 and earlier – unless you debuted after 2010, then I’ll probably like a song post-2010. For example, I never really heard of Shinhwa until they came back with Venus and after a while I started listening to their older songs, and let me tell you, those songs are amazing! Well, the title tracks are at least.

    For the GG MV… I love the song and I started listening to the rest of the mini album and liked the other songs there too. I do agree about the editing of the video – it was really choppy and didn’t give me enough time to appreciate the girls, but from the shots I did get to see, they looked great! Everyone’s style looks really good this time ’round. A more mature, sophisticated style which I appreciate on both genders. Really sad that the dance wasn’t showcased though. For me, I never mind the “box” videos because I love the choreography more than I love a plot in a music video, but Mr.Mr didn’t have that :( (frowny face to show my displeasure).

    2 years ago
    • Have you only listened to Shinhwa’s older title tracks? Cause I’ve found that I think 95% of all their songs are amazing (I say 95% because there are one or two that I kinda don’t like and will skip when it comes one, there are some from their 1st – 3rd albums that are just so weird that it’s awesome but I wouldn’t say they were amazing, and there are still some that I haven’t listened to (more of their songs they did with SMTown collaborations. I’ve listened to all their albums).

      I have a playlist of all their albums (except their Winter Stories and Japan releases) if you’re interested in their non-title tracks. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ7esLEFvKvPNX82mRJci-ZgDzz4WMv74

      2 years ago
  13. Emi

    Oh boy if i agree about the sexiness-point that Martina made. Sexiness for me isn’t being naked, it’s the attitude and the confidence and the context of the situation. Not that shirtless Taeyang isn’t sexy… it’s just that nakedness/skin doesn’t equal sex appeal to me at all. This is a thing that leads to me having problems with a lot of pop music, because the the companies usually take the easy way out and just rely on blatant nakedness to sell their products.

    Now, about Kpop, I think it’s just getting better and better. It’s evolving like everything does, no genre of music stays the same forever, and Kpop is basically korean popular music… so it’s bound to change. I can like some changes less than other changes, but on the whole I always enjoy hearing music get more modern, more clean, better produced and more skillfully written. It’s not that I think Kpop was bad before, on the contrary, I just enjoy hearing the slight tonal shifts, i.e. Bigbang’s early albums that were awesome, but slightly incohesive, some tracks were obviously just thrown out there and it was like a lack of production value at times. Nowadays we get tracks like “Blue” and “Bad Boy” that are so refined that even my friends that don’t like Kpop can enjoy because they’re so damn good. I think it brings along a certain respect as well to the industry that some artists are very talented song writers and performers. Now, with that said, the important thing with pop music is that it’s no fun when the songs are no fun – so when SNSD comes back with such a very SNSD-ish song again I can take a breath of relief because that means that Kpop is still Kpop with the catchy choruses and the fantastic vocals and the cheesy lyrics. I might add that I’ve been into Jpop for waaaaaaaaay longer than I have been listening to Kpop (8 years with Jpop and 4 with Kpop) so I could go on and on and on about east asian pop music. But I’ll just leave it at this. The Kpop be changin’ and it’s not always for the best, but damn it I really like the process.

    2 years ago
    • I totally agree with you in that K-pop has become more refined and better produced than it was before and I think it’s a good thing. Sure, I may miss those days when everything about K-pop was new and exciting and all songs seemed super catchy, but I am glad that K-pop artists are now getting more involved in the production of their songs and that companies are putting more effort in the creation process than in the past. I think K-pop has come a long way and while 2013 wasn’t the best K-pop year, I think it wasn’t nearly as bad as everyone says (for me it was pretty average, not good neither bad). So yeah, I am pretty content with the way K-pop is right now.

      2 years ago
      • Emi

        I think I might be one of the few that was completely smitten with the music that was produce in 2013. Some of my absolute favorite albums were releasen that year. The conceptual “Misconceptions of-” album series from SHINee was awesomeness and so different from what pop music usually is and it really spoke to the music nerd in me with the concepts (and god do I love the sound in those songs, except for “why so serious” please destroy that song). Then there was the 2PM awesomeness with ADTOY (“Grown” is a crazy good album tbh), and the solo activities from Bigbang. GD released pure gold and won the korean people over with “crooked”, and Seungri’s album was up there compeeting with GD on best written album imo. Infinite’s “Destiny” was glorious 80’s electronic pop awesomeness, Lee Hyori released an album so good that she reclaimed the throne of Kpop queen even after a long hiatus… I mean, I could just go on and on and on here. I get that people might not drool over those albums like I do. I’m kinda old too compared to many kpop fans. That could explain why XD I didn’t even mention Exo, another album I really enjoyed. I’ll stop now :D

        2 years ago
        • Well…now that you mention all these artists….
          I also loved 2PM’s comeback. I’ve never been really a fan of their music, but I really liked their stuff last year. And I too was really satisfied with Big Bang’s solo activities in 2013. I liked GD’s “Crooked” and “Who You” more than I liked “One of a Kind” and “Crayon”, honestly. Seungri was a nice surprise and I think I might have liked his “Gotta Talk To You” a bit more than Taeyang’s “Ringa Linga” (tho, I LOVED Taeyang’s dance video). TOP’s “Doom Dada” was awesome. Lee Hyo Ri’s comeback was really great as well. And while I didn’t like Exo’s “Wolf”, I loved, LOVED “Growl”. And then there was CN Blue’s “I’m Sorry”, MFBTY’s “Sweet Dreams” and “The Cure”, MIB’s “Men in Black” and…okay, considering all these I should say that 2013 wasn’t bad at all XD

          2 years ago
        • Emi

          LOL I didn’t think i would convert anyone :D Well it’s all up to personal taste and I totally get that people think it was a down year if they’re still looking for songs like SHINee’s Ring Ding Dong, but I never dwell in the past when it comes to music^^

          Thanks for the talk! I never expected someone to reply to me :)

          2 years ago
        • Nice to chat with you too :)

          2 years ago
  14. I’m new to KPop, and I just started following your videos, but I’m a big fan! I agree with Marina’s assessment of sexy – would much rather see someone confidently dancing or singing than someone with no clothes on. I also loved the portion of this video with them dancing in suits, and I wish I could have seen the whole thing!

    2 years ago
  15. I’ve been around since…2008-09 but I only remember so much…

    2013 was meh… Don’t get me wrong, Jaejoong came out with his solo album and that was AWESOME, and Shinee’s Everybody was great. These were the only two I was super excited for. But the kpop groups had ehhh stuff and it was… oh gawd Crayon Pop (ugh)… EXOs wolf… too many rookies… meh BAP songs…. I honestly can’t remember any interesting songs during the summer of 2013, and this is when interesting stuff comes out…
    2013 was the I dont remember year. Except for Jaejoong’s Mine, Just Another Girl and his whole album, and Shinee’s Everybody. Oh and SNSD winning the youtube award and a bunch of stupid Belibers, Directioners and other fans were being dumb on Twitter.

    For the Mr Mr mv, I’m willing to cut SM some slack. As much as the editing is weird and the lens flare piss me off, for what they had to try and recover in a short amount of time, it could have been worse. So, I’ll be grateful for what they have.

    2 years ago
  16. This KMM is really cool!!! :D :D And I am so agree with Martina about sexyness without nudeness!! Hell yeah!!!

    And where did you find this Turkish song which was played while Soo Zee was talking??? I was shocked when heard it.. LOL LOL

    2 years ago
    • And about K-POP in 2013, for me it was pretty good, there were Big Bang’s solo works, 3 singles by 2NE1, Lee HyoRi’s comeback, Troublemaker’s comeback. And SPICA’s Tonight. :) :) :)

      2 years ago
  17. I’ve been into Kpop since 2011 approximately and I stopped listening to kpop in a regular basis in 2013. Before, I used to listen to kpop all day long.
    I think I became…bored. Too much new bands who look the same with the same sexy/cute concept/badass but not really badass concept. There were good songs of course (MBLAQ’s “Smoky girl” or Sumni’s “24 hours” for example) but the majority of them was meh. Well, I begin to feel hopeful again with SNSD (one of their best songs in my opinion) and 2NE1 *o*

    2 years ago
  18. Am a Kpop fan since 2009, and I fully agree that Kpop was glorious in 2009-2012. After that it pretty much stayed stagnant. So many new groups have sprout up and it came to a point where you just didn’t want to try so hard knowing them anymore.

    For Mr.Mr, I feel like this song is addictive after multiple listens! I suspect the video is so jarring is because SM really did lost a part of the video due to data corruption. That’s why the girls had to film the MV two or three times… I like the album as a whole very much and I’m so glad they are back!

    Soo Zee you’re so cute! Have you ever wondered the reason why the lyrics are this way is cos they want to target the army boys? LOL! Like “you’re the best man! Yes you you you!” <- army fanboys go MAD

    2 years ago
  19. I’ve been listening to Kpop since 2009 and in my opinion the golden age of Kpop was between 2008 to 2012 but 2013 wasn’t a bad year for me at all. Some (unfortunattely not all) of my favourite bands came back with very seriously very good songs so I was pretty happy about it. The Kpop problem of the recent years is the overpopulation. So freaking many bands debuted in the past 3 years….like how the hell does one catch up with all that?? And to say something about SNSD and Mr.Mr. I did like it. The video seemed pretty original to me and it was visually appealing the song isn’t among my favourites by them but it is a good that I don’t mind listening to…..2NE1’s new songs on the other hand….utter disappointment for me. Happy was okay..but nothing interesting and Come Back Home wasn’t my thing at all….no…just no. The MVs were cool….but the songs….nope. Since 2012 2NE1 have impressed with only one song and it’s gonna stay at that it seems. Missing You….the only song since their 2011 album I liked.

    2 years ago
    • I really think it is about what type of music you like. I love the reggae, pop, dubstep mash up. I thought it was done well. I know for a lot of BJs thought it was an evolution of 2ne1’s original style, and this is one of their favorite songs. Going back to taste in music, i never really liked SNSD songs. I really like Genie and this song is catchy, but the sweet poppy sound isn’t my taste.

      2 years ago
    • Come Back Home was terrible. It had SO MUCH potential, but then that weird drawling “come back hooommmmee” started, and it ruined the whole thing. The MV was awesome, but…I can’t listen to the song.

      2 years ago
      • I love 2ne1 but I wish Crush was their lead single because I don’t really like that bit either. I really like the verses though, the mv is creative and the unplugged version is great.

        2 years ago
      • You should listen to Crush of 2ne1. It was more awesome than CBH, for me.

        2 years ago
      • Really? Cause that’s my favorite part and Bom drawing it out seemed more like longing to me (Come Back Home I miss you so much, am I making sense?)..oh well, to each their own. lol.

        2 years ago
      • My feelings exactly.. I’m sure some people love it, but that part of the song makes me want to cut the song then & there.. The MV was totally awesome! but I couldn’t get over that part, so I probably won’t watch it much..

        I did really like the unplugged version though, since there’s no.. well, that in it (& I really like unplugged songs lol)

        2 years ago
    • I felt the same about 2NE1’s new song. It wasn’t my thing either. Also I found that the visuals were nice, but I was bored out of my skull.

      2 years ago
  20. I’ve been listening to Kpop for about ten years now. 2013 was a meh year for Kpop in my opinion. I hated that most of the girl groups gravitated towards a “sexy concept.” I didn’t know where one group ended and another begin. It just all blended. Last year made me really miss The Fun and Simple days Kpop.

    2 years ago
    • I feel exactly the same! And most of the time, they are not sexy, they are trying to be sexy, which makes me feel ill at ease (or makes me want to laugh, it depends xD)

      2 years ago
  21. I have been only listening to k pop for less than an year, but I find myself being a different K pop fan. I don’t have one group that I can call my favorite. And the deeper that I got into K pop the more that I enjoyed the older songs. And while I did enjoy some K pop songs from 2013, it is the older songs that seem to stick. Know what I mean? Also I find myself getting away from the K pop groups and heading to the more R&B, Hip-Hop Korean music. Artists like Swings, Jerry K, Zion T and Verbal Jint have been dominating my Playlist. I hope K-pop can get my attention back this year. Anybody else feeling the same? Fighting! :D

    2 years ago
  22. i got in to kpop around 2006 through my friend introducing me to boa, but i wasnt listening to the entire spectrum of kpop until big bang haru haru and the debut of 2ne1 sort of captured my curiosity to the point where i became fully enraptured. I am yg bias, but i listen to korean indie, underground rappers, and other kpop bands ( i am so happy with the glen check inclusions in eyk just saying) 2013 was….disappointing in the sense alot of large groups came back but their music wasnt meeting my expectations at least. i appreciate alot of things they were trying to do, but it just felt lacking. 2ne1 is a major example of that and i would argue GD to a certain extent. There is one main exception for me however is CNBLUE, 2013 was amazing from a korea comeback standpoint, I had always preferred their japanese music because a majority of the korean felt it was heavily targeted, but reblue was amazing. There are more exceptions as well such as exo, and not going to lie i loved fx this past year also kahi or the glory that is 2pm ADTOY. But concerning the over all feeling from large/popular groups or people like SNSD 2ne1 Sistar, Shinee, Taeyang (seriously taeyang) and others, it is not that the music was bad, it was just the reality of not reaching expectations at an international level at least.

    2 years ago
  23. A kpoper since the end of 2010, so 3 years and a quarter? Some of its charm has worn off a bit, but I’ve started appreciating it in a different manner. ^w^

    2 years ago
  24. I’ve been listening to Korean music since 2010, and like you said 2013 were a weak year for kpop, especially because kpop in 2011 and 2012 were really strong and a lot of groups weren’t able to keep with their good songs. There were obviously exceptions in 2013, but in general I don’t remember any music that really amused me, except ‘Smoky Girl’ that didn’t make half of the success it should have. It was an OK year.

    Sorry for my english. ;)

    2 years ago
    • Smoky Girl definitely deserved a lot more props than it received.

      2 years ago
      • Also, Sunmi’s 24 hours was one of those songs really deserving props. That was solid as well.

        2 years ago
  25. I’ve been listening to Kpop (and Jpop) since 2005. While I did enjoy some music from 2013, it didn’t seem as ‘classic’ or up to the same standard as previous years… I don’t know if it’s all the rookie bands sending out one song after another or added pressure on the artists. I don’t know. It could be that most of my favorite band members are now in the army… SuJu!

    I can only really say I liked one new band from last year, the rest of them were from bands I’ve been following for some time. Not to say I can’t appreciate good music from a rookie band but it wouldn’t go on my playlist on repeat like some would.

    Also with some bands changing their styles and trying new things, I agree that you don’t always like all the music that is released from a band. It doesn’t mean that I hate the band now, it just means I’m no longer whelmed…? More like underwhelmed… Yeah that works.

    2 years ago
  26. I’ve been into Kpop since 2002….yes, a pre-youtube world! I have to agree that Mr.Mr is SNSD’s best song since Genie!
    But as a whole, I think that 2013 was a pretty sub-par year for Kpop that seemed to produce only a hand full of awesome songs. I think that everyone was so busy trying to follow trends and be seen as “edgy” that they forgot to make quality music. I think that 2014 had a rough start with all of the “sexy” girl groups and “bad ass” boy bands, but we’re already getting some solid music from SNSD, 2ne1, BAP, and others, so I’m hopeful. Plus, the 2014 rookies like Kiss&Cry, BTS, and Mamamoo are really laying it down!

    2 years ago
    • Dude, that’s epic :OOO I have since 2004, also pre-YT but dang. 2002 is insane. I don’t know how you made it. I saw shitty TVXQ in some other streaming site that had an horrid interface but maaaaaan.

      I had such high expectations for B.A.P but I honestly don’t distinguish them from any other boy band now. Sure they produce their music but it sounds so generic. Mamamoo is slaying though.

      2 years ago
    • In my opinion, 2013 was a pretty typical year. I’ve been into k-pop since 2011/2012 and it seemed to me to be a year of growing pains. It wasn’t necessarily a weak year, but it was one of transition. This transition obviously led to some quite awkward sounding and/or looking songs/videos. For example, “I Got a Boy” and B1A4’s song were weird growing pains, trying to accommodate both the old and the new style, but things like Taeyang’s “Ringa Linga” and VIXX’s “Voodoo Doll” were solid examples of how to artfully use the disconnectedness and just how well done music can be in the new style of 2013/2014. And now, so far in 2014, the comebacks have been pretty solid. 2NE1 was great, and SNSD was also pretty good.

      2 years ago
    • Wow, you’re like a legend! I’m wondering how did you find out about Kpop in the first place?

      2 years ago
    • I’m really curious, how was K-pop pre-youtube? What was it like? (I honestly can’t imagine…lol)

      2 years ago
      • Yes!! The dial up downloads were a big part of accessing kpop!! And it sucked!! Most of the time, I didn’t even know what I was downloading…it was as simple as going on to a message board, saying “I like BoA, what else can you recommend me?” And then randomly downloading whatever people suggest. Most of it was hit and miss.

        2 years ago
      • For me it was a lot of dial-up downloading of stuff from folks I met on Soompi, or friends bringing over disks of interviews, music, music videos recorded on VCR off of TV shows, super expensive posters that had to be specially imported over by big music stores… I don’t miss the dial-up downloads at all, lol! The dancing was awesome (In my elderly opinion) and I really enjoyed the not as sexy videos. BoA’s old stuff, like Sara, or Kimochi wa Tsutawaru is STILL getting played by me.

        2 years ago
        • Wow! Interesting to hear how difficult it was for pre-YouTube discovery and sharing of Kpop. Thanks for all who shared what the experience was like. I don’t think I ever would have developed my interest without the hundreds of kind people who have provided English subs for the variety and reality shows. Thanks!!

          2 years ago
        • Omg I still have so much of BoA’s old stuff, way back to the beginning like ID; Peace B. I remember listening to her stuff from an old J-Pop site and eventually ordering a bunch of her albums from Yesasia. I still love her old stuff! I have a couple old VCDs of her first couple Japan concerts too. Oh, the nostalgia! Then Youtube came along and I was amazed at the thoroughness of K-Pop performances. I was used to Japanese artists, who don’t dance AS MUCH as K-Pop artists do. Then I started watched BoA and DBSK performances and my mind was BLOWN, much in Super Junior fashion. :)

          2 years ago
        • Sounds like my days of trying to watch anime back in the days.

          2 years ago
  27. it seems like i’m the only one who liked the video. In the end I agreed that the editing was annoying but at first i was like ‘OMG, i love the effects blah blah blah’ I thought the concept was really cool and I thought they could’ve done better in pulling it off but regardless, i’m just happy my bias(hyo :D) got more screen time. Liked the song though. Solid and consistent throughout. Nasties fighting!:D

    I got into kpop almost 10 months ago. My first song was Vixx on and on that my sister showed me. I was like what is this? I got freaked out at Ravi’s(?) rapping part. Then i heard MFBTY sweet dream and i was like ‘ this is cool’. After a few more songs i was HOOKED. I found eat your kimchi and k dramas and running man. All i thought about was kpop. I tried to get my friends into it but failed and didn’t want anyone to know about it. I was kinda embaressed. No-one knew what it was but then my friend told me she listens to it. i was ecstatic :D! Next step- world domination :D

    2 years ago
  28. Poor sad headachey Simon! Hope you feel better and had good naps :) I had a migraine a few days ago, I totally know dem feels.
    Now on to the KMM! I didn’t love Mr Mr, it’s not really my style, but I love the points you made about the suit dancing. I absolutely love when girl groups get to do dances that aren’t just, as you would put it, making sex to the floor, and actually get to show off how good they are at dancing. Confidence is so sexy! No matter the clothes! Like you said in another KMM (I think the we forgot how to kpop one? I can’t remember which video you were talking about, sorry!) would the video still be interesting if the groups were wearing normal clothes? SNSD clearly proves that they can be totally interesting and sexy while fully clothed. You go, ladies!

    2 years ago
    • Oh! I forgot to do the when did I join kpop bit. I don’t know exactly? I think it was some time in 2012, but I do know it’s all your fault. I started watching KMM without actually watching the music videos, you guise were just funny, and I was already in love with the FAPFAPs and WANKs and needed more! But I finally decided to try it out with Infinite’s Nothing’s Over, and I was a goner. I did not love a lot of the stuff from 2013, WAY too many dubstep breakdowns and disjointed awkwardness. Hopefully, they’ve got it out of their systems and will go back to making songs instead of mashups.

      2 years ago
  29. When is big bang coming back? :-(

    2 years ago
  30. I’m new to K-Pop. I became a K-Pop fan in late 2012. Anyway I think K-Pop in 2013 wasn’t as epic as past years. Maybe 2009-2011 was the golden time of ‘the famous K-Pop’ ( I think the true golden age goes back to early 2000s when K-Pop wasn’t that famous ). So I rated it as average

    2 years ago
  31. Kpop 2013 started out good and then ran out of steam. We had a really good 4Minute Tune and some CNBlue and then… Crayon Pop? Rainbow doing aegyo out the wazoo? I think that’s why we got all the sexy concepts at the start of 2014. If stuff ain’t working then go salacious until someone comes up with a hot idea and then the rest of them can imitate it.

    As for SNSD Lyrics, Soozee, hey I don’t speak Korean so they are all hard to understand!

    2 years ago
  32. Oh my gosh Martina, I was practically worshipping you when you were talking about what’s sexy. Personally, I’ve never found skimpy clothes to be sexy as much as something that covers everything, and yet hugs your body in all the right places and is worn with confidence. Leaves something to the imagination ;) Also loved it when Suzy suddenly popped up! Haha, wasn’t expecting that.

    To be honest, I’m not a massive fan of either the song or the video. They were a bit meh for me – not bad, not good. But I was grateful for the fresh concept. I’ve been listening to Kpop for a few years now and I’d agree that 2013 was a pretty bad year, probably because of the obsession with skimpy clothes and dubstep breakdowns. That being said, I think it was a bad year for the well-known groups – the lesser-known groups actually ended up putting out better quality music & videos and I quite enjoyed them. Kpop was beginning to dry up for me because I felt like there was nothing new. It’s only 2 months in, but I have hope for 2014 – I feel that artists (or their composers) are trying out different concepts and styles of music. I’ve seen a bit of jazz, a bit of swing, classic pop, pop rock etc. so I think this year could be an interesting one!

    Edit: Just wanted to add that I feel like perhaps it went ‘bad’ in 2013 because of Gangnam Style – what with the world’s attention turned to Kpop, it became less ‘Kpoppy’ as composers/producers etc. were trying to appeal to a more Western audience and thus following our ‘trends’ (i.e. skimpy clotes, dubstep etc.) and so it lost it’s charm i.e. what makes Kpop… Kpop. Just my theory, though :)

    2 years ago
    • You are the life and soul of Nasties! Okay maybe not, but you said everything I wanted to say better than I would have. Your whole comment I was like “OMG YES! Thank you!”
      While I think that 2013 had some great songs – at the end of this post – it was not as good as 2012, which was the year a lot of iconic songs came out – that I’m not going to name because there are so many. I only got into Kpop in 2011, so I can’t really speak for previous years, but that one was good as well.
      I even stopped paying attention around September because I was disappointed. It made me miss some good releases but nothing too fantastic. There was a lack of cohesion, of general awesomeness that I feel the other years might have had.
      I really do feel like 2014 is going to be different though. I’m really looking forward to it!

      Good songs of 2013
      “Wild” – Nine Muses
      “Growl” – EXO
      “How to get girls” – Heo Young Saeng
      “Special Girl” – Infinite H
      “U&I” – Ailee
      “Expectation” – Girl’s Day
      “Smokey Girl” – MBLAQ
      “Gotta talk to you” – Seungri
      “One Shot” – BAP
      “Dream Girl” – SHINee
      “Love Actually” – Sunny Hill & Daybreak
      “Request” – Infinite – It’s a commercial song, but it’s amazing.
      “Cactus” – Woohyun & Lucia – Underrated song of the year, it is fantastic, I absolutely love it!

      2 years ago
    • Couldn’t disagree with you more. But I guess it comes down to tastes.

      It was a terrible year for title tracks. It was a great year for albums.

      Kpop was always made with the Western market in mind, given that it takes away factor from Western pop.

      2 years ago
      • Listen to albums? Ain’t nobody got time for that!
        This is probably true for many artists. Unfortunately I just don’t have the time nor the energy to listen to all the albums of the groups I like. There are so many!
        Shame though, you can argue that if you don’t like the title song, you might like the album, but will you really go and listen to the album if you don’t like the title song? For me, the group has to have that little something for me to listen to the album. Or I don’t like the title song, but feel like they have potential. I really only listen to the albums of the 3-4 groups of which I consider myself a fan.
        I wish management companies would start picking the best song in the album for a title song, and not the one that they think the audience wants. Because they’re often wrong…

        2 years ago
      • HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, THE GOD. YOU– Nah, I kid of course :)

        Just out of curiosty, can I ask how exactly you disagree? Maybe I’m just being stupid because I just woke up…

        I can’t say whether it was a great year for albums or not because, to be honest, I don’t often find myself listening to everyone’s albums unless I like the group or am particularly impressed with the title track. However, now that you’ve mentioned that I’m definitely going to consider doing it more often!

        You’re right in that it was always made with the Western market in mind, but I feel like it was, yes, just ‘in mind’. In my personal opinion I feel like they began making things more with the Western market as a purpose. But I could easily be wrong – there are so many theories that fit and I guess we’ll just never know. Someone else made a good point further down when they mentioned that ‘sexy’ concepts etc. started being used a lot because no one had come up with an innovative concept for everyone else to copy.

        2 years ago
      • I agree. As a fan of SHINee I loved their albums songs but some of their titles while good there were better songs on the albums that could have been picked. e.g.. everybody vs symptoms. While Symptoms’s not as high energy it had, in my oppinion, an older shines feel like a mature replay . Though I still really like everybody, symptoms was just mind-blowing.

        2 years ago
        • I just have one problem with this post. “As a fan of Shinee” is like you are making it like everything they come out with you will like just because you are their fan.

          Don’t mind me, I know what you mean, I just think other people will take advantage of this statement lol

          2 years ago
        • nah I understand what you mean but thats not what I meant. I meant that I was a little disappointed in there title tracks and I was talking about them perticularly because I’m a fan and fallow there comebacks. Thanks for pointing that out. I just mis-worded it.

          2 years ago
    • I actually have a theory that Gangnam Style did more to hurt Kpop than to help it. Check it:

      Kpop was trying for a while to break into the Western Market, but not that many people paid attention to it. Psy came along. He was a hilarious old fat guy getting covered in garbage singing an awesome song with a fun dance. The world paid attention. They heard that he’s Kpop, and so they looked online to see if Kpop is like Psy. Except it’s not like him at all. What they found instead of fun and silly videos was videos of Korean teenagers looking sexually angsty. That’s not what people were looking for. So they looked away to something else. How about some Harlem Shake instead?

      Kpop had the world’s attention, and lost it. It’s not Kpop’s fault. It’s just that Psy set up unrealistic expectations. Psy is Psy. He’s not Kpop, and shouldn’t be labeled as such, and the mislabeling might have done more harm than good.

      2 years ago
      • I agree with the statement. Not so much the explanation.
        I agree that Psy hurt KPop internationally, but not for setting expectations. He was the epitome of every negative and demeaning stereotype that the West ignorantly possesses about the Asian male. He got out attention, he was laughed at, lauded for BEING laughed at (even got to visit the White House) and then was forgotten like every other one hit wonder in the West.
        Some (me for example) found KPop to have the passion and expressiveness that most (as in 99%) of the music here in the West has been lacking for a LONG time. We used to have MJ, The Boss, JT, Britney (before she became a psychotic hot mess), Elvis, the Beatles, the BeeGees (don’t laugh, they were good!) And before that we had the golden age of Hollywood with all the stars who did it all and looked good doing it.
        KPop seems (at least to me) to be a return to that age. You can’t just be interesting in KPop, you actually have to have at least a modicum of talent (taking notes Ms. Cyrus?). I have not been moved by performers as I have been by GG, BoA, TVXQ, 2PM, Ailee, Rain and others (REALLY missing the Wonder Girls) in a long time.
        Judging KPop just by Psy would be like judging American pop by Justin Beiber.

        2 years ago
      • Yes. Psy has kinda ruined the impression (let’s put it that way instead of definition) of KPOP.

        Psy is part of KPOP but he’s a rather minor figure in the music scene that he doesnt even think Gangnam Style can break into the western market. For instance, indie music is part of KPOP too. It’s just a matter of popularity. Obviously, KPOP is dominated by the idol groups, which explains why Psy might not be considered as KPOP and affected the Kpop’s impression.

        Psy is famous because of the contrast that an Asian uncle can dance, which is different from what a traditional star looks like (with tall, slim, glamorous body). Most westerners find it funny because of the visual imagery being produced in Gangnam Style mv as they think it as a random mv, showing different things about Korea. Yet, people ignores the underlying message that Psy wants to convey.

        His song is not crappy at all. Psy is criticizing Gangnam. There’s so many meanings being depicted both in the mv and the lyrics, which is also different from traditional KPOP. And the idols are producing something pretty much similar. stadardised and related to romance. (This might be why @IAmDrPlatypus:disqus and me think MrMr is just “meh” and crappy.)

        However, with the help of Psy, KPOP has definitely become the limelight these years. As the time goes by, the idols are just keep producing the same thing over and over again. Instead of saying Psy has set ip unrealistic expectations or the idols cant meet the expectations, what we’re looking for is the difference, no matter good or bad.

        2013 is worser than usual mainly because the scandals and the changes. 2PM’s nickhun car accident, Wonder Girls’s Sohee left JYP, T-ara keeps changing the members, KARA just got three members now and so on so forth. The industry is in a panic as the idols are growing and leaving so that there are countless gropus making debut every month. Yet, the market is nearly saturated. Those A-list groups look for changes but some might not like their changes. Those new groups still have not go the ability to replace the world stars. Also, the audience focus is being lead away constantly. Today I’m watching Got 7 and the next time I’m listening to Soyou and Jungjigo.

        When we’re thinking whether 2013 is better or worser, that’s an indication that some of us are feeling sick to the KPOP music industry right now, unless the industry changes or produce something really amazing, (like 2ne1’s sci-fi themed come back home mv) Otherwise, KPOP is really going downhill. I have been listening to KPOP since 2009, I really hope 2014 will be a better year.

        Anyway, please do a separate video or blog post about this topic instead of mixing it with the upcoming Music Monday. There’s just so much to express. LOL

        P.S. I don’t really think KPOP has lost the world’s attention unless there’s a strong rival coming up that everyone starts and keeps looking for that rival.

        2 years ago
      • Okay, now I feel guilty for personally destroying Kpop as you knew it. I came in with Gangnam Style and have since become a major fan of Psy, whom I find quite attractive. I don’t particularly enjoy mainstream Kpop because I’m not into major choreography or even groups (my other favorite artists are Steven Page, Leonard Cohen, and Elvis Costello). I like 2NE1 and Spica, but as for the rest?

        2 years ago
      • I think it’s a bit of both. I get really irritated that the only song most non-k-pop people know is Gangnam Style, but there has been some more coverage of K-pop in general since here in the U.S. iTunes now has more K-pop available that it used to (and it arrives in the iTunes store a lot faster) since Gangnam Style. Buzzfeed has also had a surprising amount of fairly accurate K-pop posts and just in general more people are talking about K-pop. the people who were never ever going to get into K-pop might perhaps stay stuck in Gangnam Style mode, but those who were curious might now see it as more socially acceptable to ask more about K-pop.

        I think that what is hurting K-pop more is how the agencies are so desperate to enter the western market, that they try to market K-pop to the west…but they FAIL because they aren’t marketing it properly. A lot of it is based on these stereotypical concepts of what the west wants (super sexy concepts mostly with lots of English) without bothering to actually think about what K-pop in a western market looks like. GD has done a really great job I think of working with US artists in his genre at trying to bridge the gap. I also am not sure why the agencies feel that somehow they’ll be more validated if they can make it big in the west. It annoys me that somehow the west is still so “prestigious”. There are HUGE fan bases in the US, Europe, South America, the Middle East, Africa and elsewhere that the Korean entertainment that I think Korea doesn’t fully realize. Just looking at the blog hits I get from all the different countries, and all the people I am friends with on Twitter is amazing to me. If the Korean entertainment industry (dramas and K-pop) really want to enter the western market, I think they should more fully tap into the already existent fanbase, see what they like and want, and then go from there. That just makes more business sense to me. There are some agencies that have started to be more international fan minded (like VIXX and BAP) who earlier in their careers have reached out for international concerts etc. VIXX also has an English subbed TV channel (and some other Youtube channels like KBS and 1theK sub their videos in English and some other languages). These are companies that understand how to reach out to the International fanbase a little better.

        2 years ago
      • PSY is K-POP…watch some of his concerts online. He is KPOP …Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow. RAP, Ballad and straight bring out the girls and do straight in your head for the rest of your life K-POP. Most Americans have not even listened to his earlier albums. SHAME SHAME SHAME ….

        2 years ago
        • That’s so true! It sucks how if you ask someone now about PSY they’ll just say “oh that guy in the blue suit. wasnt he just a one hit wonder?” Like, Gangnam style was a good song, but he has so many more and is pretty big in Korea (I think??). I remember when he made his comeback in july or something in 2012, i had just left for japan for vacation and a week and a half later i came back to the states it had blown up. pretty crazy, i think.

          2 years ago
      • I have to disagree, PSY opened a door for other artists. He put all of his stuff online, including his great concerts. At that point it was time for all the companies to put their music on the music services such as Xbox Music, Rhapsody, Beck Music …and on and on. What did they do instead of this, they concentrated on the Japanese Market which was collapsing. YG is the only company that made any effort to open the US market, but of course they limited what they distributed. Well now the moment has passed. PSY has to keep delaying his album because his concern about an album mostly in Korean will do in the US market. So now it seems that he is redoing that album with established US artists using more English. Which may make the album sell better in the US, but is that going to help K-POP??????? This year K-POP has been its own worse enemy, everything that is coming out this and last year sounds like mainstream music or just new groups that are just directed to a young domestic audience. Has the K-WAVE died?..no way K-DRAMAs are doing great and are being distributed by a ton of companies HULU, DRAMAFEVER, MBC and VICKI. These companies are not afraid to distribute on XBOX and ROKU. So why …why is K-POP not doing this????

        2 years ago
      • The thing is for me is that Gangnam Style is really an anomaly in the Korean Music Scene. Ever since that song went viral, the Kpop industry as a whole has been more and more longing for global recognition. Ever since SNSD won their award at the YTMA, its been named dropped every damn time they get brought up. Its almost propaganda like, with the need of the industry as a whole trying to be taken so damn seriously. The heads over at YG Entertainment must think that they are the s*** right now with the viral blow up of PSY. It really shows in their media plays; from their FB/Twitter accounts, the Fuse News “Loves Seoul” interviews, and that “The Bachelor” 2NE1 “advertisement” with the YG media spin (which was so blatant, it felt like a bad late night info-commercial.)

        With all this wanting to be taken seriously by western media, they are ever so defiant of trying to break back into to the market like Psy did. That really scares me to be quite honest. I don’t want to see the furthering westernization of Kpop just for the sake of trying to break out. It is feeling that the genre is really starting to loose the niche sound of a blend of the classic 90’s sound with the modern elements of today music. Now with all that being said, I have no problem with the industry still marketing in both the Japanese and the emerging Chinese markets. The niche sound is still there and I would even argue that some of the best songs of Kpop groups are actually Japanese releases or Chinese versions. (SNSD Paparazzi, the JPN version of Oh!, EXO-M title tracks, SUJU-KRY, SUJU-M, After School’s Shh, etc).

        As with the Kpop industry today, I think they just need to refocus on their home markets first. Stop trying to chase the viral sucess of what Psy gotten and just make good music. Stop trying to cater to Western tastes and focus on what makes Kpop sound so good and nostalgic. Mr.Mr. is a great step in the right direction.

        2 years ago
      • I agree with this argument. My friend and I love Kpop (though he’s a more Jrock guy) and we both agree that Gangnam Style got the attention of the Western market, but it devastated us knowing that people will only know Kpop for that even though technically, Psy isn’t Kpop.

        We thought that while we found Gentlemen to be better, Kpop will not be taken seriously. Seriously, if I try to talk to my dad about Kpop, he’ll just say that they all sound the same, they can’t sing, and they all look the same. However, he likes Gangnam style, and kept annoying me about that one member of Pussycat dolls that no one cares about. How is it different? I mean even at the YTMA, people wouldn’t accept that SNSD won and didn’t know that they were a definition and example of Kpop and what it is.

        I think Psy ruined the definition of Kpop. Maybe not the industry as a whole, but definitely the definition. Kpop is not a fat old man being goofy all the time. It is a serious industry where people can dance better than you, try really hard, have meaningful lyrics, and (a huge percent) sing really well live. Also, he put an expectation for the big 3 companies that they may as well never achieve.

        2 years ago
      • Absolutely right. When people ask me about Gangnam Style, I just say that it’s the Macerena. Because that’s all it really is to people who didn’t know anything about kpop. It’s a fun sounding song with a silly dance that’s easy to copy. When I was growing up, no one knew what the Macerena was about or any other songs in it’s style, but they knew the song and dance.

        Not even Psy could keep the world’s attention with his next song (hardly anyone outside the Kpop world knows about Gentleman). So it was silly of Kpop companies to try to emulate the response Gangnam Style got.

        2 years ago
        • Exactly! Asking someone if they like K-Pop and them saying, Yeah, I like Gangnam Style, is like asking someone if they like Latin music and they say, Yeah, I like the Macarena. UGH. Same feels right?

          2 years ago
      • I think you’re absolutely right. Gangnam Style was so different from what I was used to, which is why it was so exciting when it came out and I watched it about 10 times over. Kpop can be a little ‘out there’ but not in the same sort of slapstick way – more of a ‘strange outfits’ kind of way. And that’s actually what I like about it. However, whilst it did do harm, you’ve gotta admit that it did still bring attention, so some people actually got into what they saw. At least if I mention Kpop now people actually know what it is. So on the one hand it set people up and let them down (when they may have come across it later, without expectations, and liked it) but it also brought in people who may have never heard of it and who liked it for what it is. I guess it’s 50/50? That’s my two cents, anyway.

        Sometimes I feel bad because it seems like Westerners are this kind of big mystery to those working in Kpop in the sense that they’ve tried so many things in order to break into the Western market. And then here’s me going “Hey! Hey guys! Look at this funny cat video I found!” Psy wasn’t trying to break into the Western market, and yet he did, which is pretty amazing and even a bit sad in a sense.

        2 years ago
        • Whilst I agree that most of kpop isn’t funny like Psy’s Gangnam Style & Gentleman, there’s the element that caught on that I think is rather kpop, the catchy dances. For me, when I got into kpop in 2009, the big thing that got me into it was how ridiculous the dance was of Sorry Sorry, such a literal sorry dance move and it was funny to me, I hadn’t really payed much attention to dance in pop music before. And then before you know it, I’m imitating it and Gee and all that, now the rest is history.

          So yeah, ok, it is probably disappointing for most people when they look for more kpop after hearing Psy and finding it’s all these young, good looking people taking themselves very seriously (at least in their MVs) but I don’t think we can say it’s been a fail. Getting kpop recognised is just the start, and hopefully people will get to know the most prominent sides of kpop more despite the misleading introduction.

          2 years ago
  33. I’ve been into k-pop since 2010 and I’m probably the only one here who actually likes The Boys and IGAB. I guess maybe it’s because I’ve haven’t listened to a lot of rap but I find both songs very enjoyable especially IGAB. I think for last year IGAB was one of the best songs for me anyway. I do love Mr. Mr. and I think you are right in that the editing i kind of ruined the video

    2 years ago
    • I really liked IGAB, but The Boys is still one of my least liked SNSD songs (but I still like it, just not as much as their other songs) :D

      2 years ago
  34. Being a fairly new K-pop fan (started when gangnam style became big) i thought 2013 was pretty disappointing and the only big highlight for me was the Big Bang solo work, especially GD and T.O.P. Yeah Psy came out with Gentleman and some other things were good but in general not too many things stood out.

    2 years ago
  35. I’ve been into kpop since 2007.

    If you ask me the golden years were 2008-2010. Many of the older bands got they breakthrough during this period. I also think the Gayo Daejuns were a lot more fun and high-quality to watch back then.

    2012 was the: let’s-debut-as-many-bands-as-we-can-year. And most of those bands came back in 2013 with so-so songs and comebacks. Some were so bad promoted >__> With songs just as bad. I think
    If we keep debuting bands in Korea there will be a bigger part of the citizens that are in a group/band than regular citizens. rofl.

    Glad you noticed the so-so2013 as well Simon D:

    2 years ago
    • totally agree, 2008 was the best simply because of DBSK’s mirotic

      2 years ago
    • I totally agree with you :)
      I started listening to kpop in 2010 and when i went back through the 08-10 eras i could basically listen to anything and be satisfied with it.

      By the end of 2010 i became totally YG biased (ft. island being the only non-yg group i followed) and I stopped listening to much of anything else. By the time i went back to experimenting in 2012-2013 with other groups again i was so overwhelmed by the generic-ness and “blandness” of everything else that i didn’t bother keeping up.

      2012 was just debutdebutdebutdebutdebutdebut and 2013 was just and eh~ waiting period (except for a select few great comebacks)

      Its only March, and though im still immensely YG-biased, i’m really impressed with this year and excited for what’s to come :))))

      2 years ago
    • Oh wow. I agreed with everything that you said. I’ve been into KPOP since 2007 also. DB5K was actually the reason I got into KPOP and after the lawsuit I didnt think I would still be into KPOP, but there were still other griups who released really good songs so I stayed. After 2011-ish, KPOP just seemed to lose its charms and I was continuously disappointed with the releases and especially the oversaturation of groups debuting. There was just an abundance of mediocre to so-so songs from groups who weren’t ready to debut yet. Honestly, the last time I have been really excited was when U-KISS released Neverland and Kara released Step and that was a while back…

      2 years ago
    • At some point you just couldn’t keep up anymore… The debuts I mean

      2 years ago
    • Took the words right out of my mouth. Now I don’t even need to say anything. However, for me, I started in 2010 and kind of worked my way back in time a tad while also following the current scene.

      2 years ago
  36. I’ve been into kpop since 2007.. it’s been slowly declining every since 2011 for me. On the topic of the song, it wasn’t my favorite SNSD song. It’s definitely better than IGAB or The Boys, but SNSD deserves a much better song. In my opinion, Mr Mr is just average, there’s nothing special about it. It could just as easily be a side track on their mini and no one would have thought it deserving of being the title song. My only big problem with the MV was the basic dance. What the heck is that supposed to be all about?

    2 years ago
  37. I just got into K-pop a little after staying in Korea for a couple of month last year. I knew nothing about it before that whole ‘Gangnam Style Mania’ happened. If K pop changed, what specifically did? Vocals, marketing or style of bands? I’m curious (no reference intended ;) )

    2 years ago
  38. OMG Soo Zee had a speaking part hahha

    2 years ago
    • It was unexpected but welcome, I thought I was going to see Simon comment on the “centimetres of water” but I see Soo Zee instead. =)

      2 years ago
    • Except there was more grunting of annoying frustration than speaking. It was awesomely awesome.

      2 years ago
    • She was quite passionate about the subject :D

      2 years ago
      • I have the same reaction to the English in English pop. This is why I listen to music in a language I don’t understand:-)

        2 years ago
      • I really liked her part. A large majority of people don’t exactly know what they are saying. It was good to hear from a Korean about the actual Korean! lol I love this new concept.

        2 years ago
      • Yeah, my Korean prof told us the other day that he doesn’t understand half of what KPop songs are saying these days because it’s all slang and stuff, and I’m not surprised at the cheesiness either. I mean, you get that in pop songs from any language. It was funny hearing it from him though cause he’s an older man and he sounded like my grandfather saying “These kids and their music these days!”

        2 years ago
      • Soozee’s outburst was so significant because FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!!!!!!

        2 years ago
      • I was waiting for Simon, cause I changed the name of the song for: “mista mista”. But Soo Zee there, was unexpected and great!

        2 years ago
  39. I definitely loved the song more than IGAB! The MV wasn’t as exciting as it was hyped up to be, probably because of their production issues and data loss. IIRC they had to re-film the MV in 2 days due to everything they lost, and the pressure to release it on time after being dragged out for so long caused them to deliver a somewhat….amateur job. To refilm the scenes in 2 days, the MV was decent, but I agree! I thought I was the only one that noticed that guy waving in the back! I still have to check out 2ne1’s MV’s, and I’ve heard good things, but I’m not a fan of the music. So, music-wise – SNSD’s mini is great, while I’m guessing MV-wise, 2ne1 wins! This is going to be a great fan battle to watch *eats popcorn*.

    2 years ago
  40. first? second?

    2 years ago