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Kpop Music Mondays: Jay Park “Joah”

April 23, 2013

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Woohoo! So here’s this week’s second Music Monday! Our first one was on that whack “Eatyourkimchi Crew” that somehow managed to get to 2nd place on the Kpop Charts. CRAZY. Well, today (again…today) we’re talking about Jay Park’s “Joah.” If you haven’t seen it yet, check it out here:

Yeah! This song is great!!! We’re really happy with it! I’m never sure what to expect from Jay Park, R&B ballad, rap, kpop pop-ballad-rap…? We totally like the fun, laid back, and playful vibe of the video, matched with the groovy trumpetiness (not horniness) of the song. It’s not well lit. It’s fuzzy and filtered, but that doesn’t make it a bad video at all! We’re also really liking that this video took place in Seattle (at least, we think it’s Seattle since he’s from there), and has a much more authentic feel to it than other videos that try to take place outside of Korea, you know?

Sidenote: we’ve noticed that not everyone agrees with us on our opinions on changing images for bands/artists. How do you feel about it? See: we like to listen to albums, rather than artists. For Kpop acts that change their sound often within an album, it kinds ruins the unity/wholeness of the album experience for us. It sounds like a collage of singles, rather than a coherent whole album. When we listen to Burial, the sound of the album works its way throughout the album. He doesn’t come out with a finger-snapping “I Love You Baby!” kind of song. That’d ruin the album for us. Question is, though, if we should expect consistency for Kpop Artists in their albums. I’d like to think so. I want to believe that, if I want to hear asskicking songs, I can turn to B.A.P., or if I want some sad ballads I can turn to 2AM (though, I’d never want to listen to sad ballads, FYI). Heck, I don’t know. Let me know your thoughts on it. Is it right for me to want artists to have a distinct sound, or should we be ok with them jumping from image to image and sound to sound?

In Jay Park’s case, we’re not criticizing any one of his sounds, be it his rapping or his singing, because he’s good at both. It’s just the way that we ingest music that makes fitting Jay Park’s catalogue difficult for us. Same with B.A.P’s changing image, and it’s especially difficult to handle B.A.P changing from tough to cute because I just don’t believe that Bang Young Gook authentically enjoys being a cutey boy. Of course, I don’t know him personally, but I would feel the same way about seeing Block B act in a cute video. I would just feel like something was off. I don’t know, am I spouting crazy exhausted blog post talk? *Martina runs away*

*Martina runs back* Otherwise, FYI, we’re not going to make a habit of putting up two Music Mondays from now on because today was HEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. My back is on FIRE! FIIIRRREEE!!!! We just really wanted to review the Eatyourkimchi Like a Man video because it got voted up so highly in the kpopcharts and we thought it would be a great chance to poke fun of ourselves. We hope you Nasties liked it! We knew, though, that if we didn’t review an actual Kpop band some people would be very upset, and we felt like we had to keep them in mind. We literally made this Music Monday for Jay Park, not because we wanted to, but because we didn’t want people to complain. And this is nothing against Jay Park’s song, which we like a lot, and his video, which we also like a lot. We just didn’t want to make two Music Mondays, and if we had to choose between one, we’d much rather poke fun at ourselves than Jay Park’s video.

I don’t want to experience another Lee Hi Music Monday ever again. It seriously felt like such a waste of time, for us, just to disappoint so many people. And after reading all the disappointed comments, we then had people tell us they wouldn’t watch anymore of our videos and they were unsubscribing because we didn’t care about them, and that we didn’t read the comments or we didn’t care about our viewer’s opinions. I think the bigger problem is that we read too many comments, and I’m starting to get to the point where I’m becoming frozen in fear of doing anything that could offend, upset, piss off, or annoy our viewers. I’m really struggling guise: this whole “put your opinions and self into a video onto the internet for all to view” is harder than it looks, and these Music Mondays are becoming less a matter of us just having fun and more a matter of us being worried about who’s going to complain about what. We’ve even started talking about getting rid of Music Mondays as a result. Though, we don’t want to resort to that, because we know that there are a lot of people who do like what we do, but the complaints of the few DO weigh very heavily on us. What should we do? What can we change? We’re looking for input here. Doing extra videos isn’t an option.

There needs to be a “Psychology and YouTube101” course offered to people so they can learn to deal with all the anonymous comments coming at them. Anyways, I didn’t expect this to be such a long paragraph, but this is a really round about way of saying thank you to all the Nasties that understand when we make mistakes, mess up, piss people off, show our temper in the comment section, or say something offensive without intending it.

On a less serious end note, because we’d like to end the post with lols, here are this week’s Bloopers. FYI: Martina is very bad at gangsta talk. I tried coaching her but she still had a lot of difficulty with it!

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  1. I do enjoy jay park’s songs and I can’t lie and say I would love to see 2 KMM’s a week but I agree with everyone else. The Inception version was great and plenty! Please don’t feel so crushed and forced into changing your ways for anyone else. Especially if it means some crazy sleep deprivation. This should be fun for you guys too!

    3 years ago
  2. It’s definitely not an easy thing to put yourselves out there but personally, I like when you guys choose videos that you want to do because you tend to have a lot more fun with them and it’s so much more obvious. Those that threatened to unsubscribe in your Lee Hi video and who said they weren’t going to watch anymore clearly weren’t true Nasties if all it took was one video to make them be like that. You guys just keep being your nasty amazing selves because real nasties will stick by you no matter what (whether they agree or not with your opinions and choices) and the other ones…well, they just don’t matter. It’ll be like when Se7en’s fandom had it’s closet cleaned out after the scandal. The real fans stayed, the delusional ones went off to drink Haterade.

    3 years ago
  3. Do what you love, and don’t stop. Of course indulging your fans is important, but I believe that listening to what we have to say all the time will lead you in the wrong direction. Good Luck!

    3 years ago
  4. Hahaha JayPark’s english is fine!

    3 years ago
  5. By the way… one of Jay’s other songs from the “JOAH” single is called “Welcome” (19+, with a MV release on Thursday) and has this part where he says “NASTY~!” and it reminds me of you guys! Check it out! :-)

    3 years ago
  6. About that sound changes.. For me being a hardcore B.A.P fan, yes I like them better badass. Mainly cause they seem to be more comfortable performing One Shot then Rain Sound, but I didn’t mind those “cute” songs. It was fun. GD is going from ballad (The XX) to electro fluently as well.. I just think it would be boring listening to Warrior and Crayon all the time.. Change is good from time to time as long as everyone is going back to their roots.

    3 years ago
  7. Everyone, lets tweet Jay this @JAYBUMAOM on twitter! Then S&M can interview him!
    This episode was really funny! I thought the leg dance was really cool though :p

    3 years ago
  8. People need to quit acting so entitled. Just because they don’t review what you believe they should review really isn’t reason enough to abandon watching their videos completely. Hopefully Simon & Martina will continue doing what they love! Don’t destroy that for them because ONE video wasn’t to your liking. <3 Love EYK!

    3 years ago
  9. Soooo many hats! I’m so happy to be able to follow you guise! The greater something is, the more people will be out to complain about it; it’s a balance of energy. I think you guys are awesome and I will be so humbled to visit you someday. I can confirm at least some of those shots were done in Seattle (shakes fist at the parking sign at the beginning) as I work in Seattle. Keep up the Nastiness! Ramble, stop!

    3 years ago
  10. First, don’t ever kowtow to those who comment on your videos; don’t let them affect you so much. You know that you’re never going to make everyone happy. I don’t agree with all of your opinions, but I don’t feel the need to bash you for it.

    Second, I understand your POV on the ‘album content’. IMO, I like content both ways, but since I have a tendency to listen to custom playlists, I kinda prefer a mix of sounds rather than one continuous ‘mood’. Unless I am kinda peeved and then I like listening to hours of music where I can just wallow in my anger. :-)

    Keep up the great work guys!!

    3 years ago
  11. You guys are beyond amazing for putting up two Music Mondays (although that first one was enough IMO).
    I love that you guys care so much about your viewers, despite the fact that I’m sure they can be an ungrateful bunch at times.
    Also, I don’t know why, but the way Simon commented on the English was hysterical.

    3 years ago
  12. ewww><the p' word

    3 years ago
  13. I was about to say ‘hey everyone – lets start one long thread filled with the nice stuff we want to say to Simon and Martina’ but so far people are posting such positive things anyway!
    I hope you guys can see just how many fans you have!!!! NASTIES FOR LYFE!!!

    3 years ago
  14. I hope the comments are getting better now… from reading this video’s comments so far, it seems like everybody’s comforting each other, I love it! <3 It totally fits the vibe of this KMM song too. EYK and Simon and Martina we love you! Keep on going strong and get a good sleep ;)

    3 years ago
  15. Real Nasties care more that YOU are the ones doing the videos rather than what the videos are about. While I really enjoyed this Music Monday (you seemed as though you were having a lot of fun doing it), I would have been perfectly happy with just the one MM for Eat Your Kimchi Like A Man (which was seriously awesome). I know its hard to ignore the haters and the rabid hardcore uberfans who are upset that you didn’t review their oppas, but know that there are a lot of people who support you no matter what you’re doing! I would rather you lose the viewers who are unhappy with your videos than for you to quit doing fun videos which make so many other people happy.
    Your videos are always the highlight of my week, and you guys are kind of a huge life inspiration for me, and so I hope you keep you doing what you’re doing now, having fun and poking fun at k-pop and showing us around Korea etc etc etc.

    EYK FIGHTING!

    3 years ago
  16. Love the hilarious comment of jay parks english which is said with a really straight face… TT.TT crying and laughing. Simon why you be so manly with that?

    3 years ago
  17. Is that a eatyourkimchi hat Simon is wearing, or is it just me who wish it is because I REALLY want one.

    3 years ago
  18. Leo

    I really liked the part where you were analysing Jay Park’s English. I think you brought up some really good points. I had exactly the same thoughts when I first saw the mv. :D

    3 years ago
  19. Martina, what does the t-shirt you’re wearing before you shaved your mustache at 3:13

    3 years ago
  20. yah, guise. Trolls are trolls, everyone likes different kind of ice cream[hyuna-melted],
    there are a loooot more people who sincerely do enjoy your videos/kmm and we are here because of your opinions and the way you guys are. Believe in Nasties and maaaan believe in yourselves.
    It’s your Nasty way!//naruto overload//

    3 years ago
  21. 237

    I liked the EYK song better :P

    Nice work though, thanks for being awesome!

    3 years ago
  22. I hope who ever complains about KMM not being who they wanted it to be chokes on a sock. I liked KMM both the ones you do for trololols and the ones you do for actualities. does that make sense? I hope you guys don’t work yourselves to hard for what anons are saying because there are true Nasties in the bunch who will stick with you thick and thin. NASTIES FO LIFE!!!
    by the way Martina if Block B ever does aegyo I swear the world would implode! Zico does it already and that shit ain’t pretty (I say with all the love in the world)

    3 years ago
  23. Jay Park’s English is fine! xD
    lol so fast xD
    Well, he would never put wrong English in his songs after all xD

    3 years ago
  24. Hi Simon and Martina, I really love Music Mondays and I hope that the comments get better soon. I think the chance to choose from the top 3 is better because sometimes a song you guys don’t have much to say about will get voted in and the Music Monday isn’t as good. So having that choice to pick a video that you like that didn’t win is good but maybe you could include a small section in the Music Monday where you talk about the video that you did skip over. Nothing like a whole other Music Monday. But just like a part of the video to acknowledge the winning video and those who voted for it. Do you think that would help?

    3 years ago
  25. YAY! Thanks

    3 years ago
  26. So many mean comments during the last weeks…I feel sorry for you guys .__. but haters gonna hate and having haters is probably the price of fame…. so please don’t let these things get to you ^^

    but honestly I feel that the new rule of you choosing one video out of the top 3 for music monday might be one reason for all those bad comments. it makes people disappointed if their favourite video is not chosen for kmm. people can’t say much against the choice of video if it’s decided by a voting, but if it’s decided personally by you guys, they have someone to hate on if they don’t like the choice.I know you decided on that because there were too many boygroups, but still. just saying ^^
    *hugsyou* cheer up, guys! cuddle spudgy and meemers and read all the nice comments, ignore the hate! ^__^ <3

    3 years ago
  27. I joah this video and review:-) And yeah, it is Seattle all the way!

    3 years ago
  28. Hi Simon and Martina. You should not worry too much over a few ANGRY!!!1!11 comments on your videos. I’d say it’s not very normal to react so strongly to things that are not made to provoke or offend anyone, you have personal opinions and lives to tend to and if someone wants to get that wound up about little things then maybe they really should unsubscribe and spare all of you of the strain. You two are great, your videos are cool and quirky, I especially love the Music Mondays and the FAP FAPs. And seeing you two having been married so long and seeming so happy together brings me joy and hope for human kind. There should be more people like you guys! =)

    3 years ago
  29. ‘JAY PARK’S ENGLISH IS FINE’ hahahahahahahahahahahaha xD

    3 years ago
  30. Massive Monkeys are the best!! was on ABDC!!

    3 years ago
  31. JAY PARK’S ENGLISH IS FINE hahaha I laughed so hard

    3 years ago
    • that part totally caught me off guard. didn’t know what to make of it. lol

      3 years ago
    • xD

      They even started the transition before Simon finished his sentence. lol, I’ve seen them give 5/5 and say nothing was wrong, but it’s never been that short before~ :p

      Jay should be proud ^^b

      3 years ago
      • Hahhahaha~ I looked away right when that happened because my cat jumped off a table. AND I MISSED IT!!!! Nooooooo~ OTL And I’m too lazy to go back and find it right now. LOL It was hilarious though! I’m still laughing.

        3 years ago
      • I think the intro clip was longer than the whole section. LOL

        3 years ago
      • Actually, there once was a “there’s no english in the song” and fin x) (On Kim Jaejoongs “Mine”? I don’t really remember anymore..)
        I guess it wasn’t even meant as a joke and it still was funny, how elegantly Simon pulled it off! :)

        3 years ago
    • That was the only part in this KMM where I laughed out loud (and not just smiled widely). That was hilarious XD

      3 years ago
    • Oh my gosh, even worse, I looked away from the screen for just a moment, and Boom. I was like “wait, wutt?” Clicks back. Ultimate Lols.

      3 years ago
    • 2 second review of the English…. AWESOME. I loled much longer than that. :D

      3 years ago
    • Oh my gosh, me too! I just about died. XDDD

      3 years ago
    • that was funny xD!!

      3 years ago
  32. “JAY PARK’S ENGLISH IS FINE.”

    3 years ago
  33. Omg, Simon : ‘Oh my god i’m so young and beautiful’ cracked me up with his voice looool

    3 years ago
  34. Thanks for working so hard!
    But when I did see that you had 2 KMM, I knew it was to appease fans. It’s really quite sad that you have to take out your own happiness and health to make your viewers happy. And most of us end up complaining. But please please please don’t get rid of KMM. They’re so fun to watch. But if it does get to that point, then do whatever you feel is right. That Lee Hi storm hate was quite annoying to read. I posted a “disappointed” post too, but I really think it was quite stupid of me.
    Please though, do whatever you want.
    What fun would it be to follow you guys and not have you be happy? Please just chose the things you want to review. If it makes people unhappy, so be it. You are happy. In the end, you will never be able to satisfy everybody. Just know for the majority of us, we have smiles on our faces because of you two.

    3 years ago
    • Thank you for that :)

      This is why I try really hard to give people the benefit of the doubt – while you were disappointed with the Lee Hi thing, it wasn’t like you were a troll, right? There were a lot of misunderstandings and upset feelings involved at the time. I’m not going to say if anyone was right or wrong. BUT, you clearly have the ability to repent (you admitted your post was stupid) AND forgive (give EYK another chance after disappointing you), and that is an extremely valuable trait to have.

      As Dale Carnegie said,
      “Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain – and most fools do. But it takes character and self control to be understanding and forgiving.”

      3 years ago
      • TT TT nice comments can be so nice. Thank you really. I think most of the reason why people are upset is because of misunderstandings, jumping to conclusions, taking certain statements out of context. There’s a fine line between complaining about the song reviewed and complaining about the content in the video. One is constructive, the other is not. Reading comments here makes me realize some people are hating because “Simon and Martina are refraining the right to opinion”, which is untrue. They’re drawing a line between constructive criticism and criticism that so not.

        3 years ago
  35. Me gustan sus vídeos, son graciosos y entretenidos, que mal por esas personas poco tolerantes que los critican sin comprender el duro trabajo, tiempo y desgaste fisico|creativo que lleva realizarlos. Y hacer vídeos “obligados” por la presión de las masas, no es nada divertido. :/ ánimo!

    3 years ago
  36. well the guys in his video are his crew he knew even before going to Korea
    such as Seattle is his hometown
    ofcourse he feels comfortable and natural in this vid because it’s where he comes from ^_^
    thank you guys for finally reviewing it (was-mad-last-week-a-bit)

    3 years ago
  37. People need to quit acting so entitled. Just because they don’t review what you believe they should review really isn’t reason enough to abandon watching their videos completely. Hopefully Simon & Martina will continue getting what they love to do! Don’t destroy that for them because ONE video wasn’t to your liking.

    3 years ago
  38. Okay just read your post! Keep doing what YOU feel like doing and don’t worry about the complainers. People who love you for what you want to do will stick with you and those that don’t can go watch someone else. Yeah you might lose people but you won’t lose yourself. Which is more important in the long run. Remember what you said in the interview about being a couple and doing things that you loved to do.

    3 years ago
    • From my perspective as a comment moderator,

      I welcome opposite opinions.

      As long as their are expressed in a polite manner.

      Now, on the Kpop Charts, we have commenting guidelines, which have worked wonderfully so far.

      Be Respectful
      Don’t Spam
      Stay on Topic
      Mods are Watching ;)

      If this was applied to the blog posts, then we would be deleting

      – comments that aren’t respectful
      – comments that aren’t on topic.
      (since we don’t get any spam there)

      I think the comments that S&M were talking about fell into the latter group. Because I already delete most ‘disrespectful’ comments, and what remained were pretty polite.
      But the video was about Lee Hi, but the comments were not about the video at all. I discourage talking about voting or rankings on the kpop charts, and encourage people to talk about the actual song/video/artist, as it makes for much better discussions. Would that also work on blog posts?

      I’m going to start encourage people talking about the kpop chart choices and systems maybe….on the Kpop Chart Update posts? And try to keep the KMM posts purely about the KMM in question. And TLDR comments about the TL;DR. And so on.

      I’m not quite sure about this yet, because as I said, I’ve never moderated comments on the blog posts before. We’re still in the process of discussing how to do it best. Making up guidelines ain’t easy.

      But there is one thing I know for sure:

      I want this place to be a happy community that will cheer up people who drop by :)

      3 years ago
      • I hope S&M send you a EYK crew tracksuit, because you’re an awesome mod and an asset to them. You’re always polite and explain things clearly.

        3 years ago
        • Someone. Hold me. I am not accustomed to this treatment.

          *faints*

          3 years ago
        • Bwuahahah!

          * holds you*

          Don’t get too aflutter about the nice comments. It is like tempting fate.

          3 years ago
        • Thanks for explaining your role. I have long thought that what you do was necessary but I wasn’t aware it was already in place. Unless you have had fans, and a LOT of them, I’m not sure anyone understands how zany people can get on the internet. I used to be on a security detail and witnessed how fans gets hyped up into crazy frenzies. I’ve had to fight people off and report many to the police for threatening behavior. I understand all too well how individuals are smart, but mobs are stupid. This little factoid is amplified online where people take off their filters. I hope S&M find a good balance with the help of their mods and crew so they can continue enjoying their video-making without taking the intentionally hurtful comments to heart.

          3 years ago
        • Thanks for the encouragement. We are all working together to try to make things better.

          3 years ago
    • This is exactly my fear. I don’t want EYK to become like that but many people seem to be absolutists.

      I don’t want the comments here to become like AKP.

      3 years ago
      • AKP is a creepy place. I went there because I thought, “Well, I don’t seem to get along with the individual fan communities because I don’t just like *one* group and I don’t necessarily love all their songs, so if I join All Kpop, then surely that will mean that everyone gets along and is able to have fun talking about all the different Kpop groups they like.”

        Boy was I stupid :P I got into more arguments just because I was trying to defend my opinions and I was trying to help other people defend theirs. Finally I gave up and was like, “to heck with this. Kpop communities stink”. That’s why I like EYK. It’s okay not to like everything and it’s okay to like what you like. The second part is what’s really important to me. If we can’t express dislike of something, I’ll be fine with that. I don’t think anyone cares if something gets my “stamp of disapproval”. But positive comments should be encouraged and so I like that I can be positive here without worrying about someone stomping me down. ^___^ So, thank you for helping to make this a safe place for Nasty fans. <3 You Mods and Simon and Martina are all doing a good job.

        3 years ago
        • Thanks for the compliment. We do try to make it a ‘ safe space’. As I am an ‘ older’ fan ( comparatively) I really prefer to frequent places that are about fun and enjoyment, rather than an ‘ all drama all the time’ place.

          3 years ago
    • We’ve spoken about this a few times before, but it seems that we can’t convince people how we feel about the matter. People not finding our jokes funny is fine. It’s when people complain that we didn’t do a specific video, that we chose something they thought we shouldn’t have chosen, that we get worried. We made this Music Monday here, for Jay Park, not because we were worried that people would disagree with our opinion. We made it because we knew people would complain about us NOT doing if we didn’t do it. We’re forced to create new content because of potential complaints, because of people feeling robbed that we didn’t do enough for them.

      The kind of comments like “Today KMM wasn’t so funny” we’re ok with. It’s the comments in the other threads, the “I’m disappointed that you didn’t review this video” that disturbs us.

      3 years ago
      • NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! S and M are unhappy!!!!! I was so excited because we got two music mondays and i was a little upset that people were complaining, the whole comments pretty much ended up talking about meanie people that are FAKE NASTIES!
        OH NO! EPiphany! The Assties are really run by the idol companies and the idols themselves, somwhere you critiqued them (ex: weirdly lit rooms) and they decided to get back at you with harassing comments!
        Keep Fighting!

        3 years ago
        • Yay! assties is catching on! No I do not think there the idols! Well this might just disprove a certain k-pop girl group controversy. The fake nasties are the assties!

          3 years ago
        • Oddly enough, I don’t think the idols care about critiques. Honestly, from what I’ve seen, the idols they have talked to find them funny. It’s just the creepily protective fans who have issues. :P Strange people, really.

          3 years ago
      • First of all I would like to apologize for being one of those who commented about being disappointed. Most of us will not be able to understand the effects of reading negative comments and for that I am truly sorry.

        I would like to offer a suggestion to maybe reduce such comments and reasons why this could minimize the impact of negative comments.

        The k-pop song to be reviewed is selected on Saturday midnight. That means that the suspense will be built up for about 2 days until Monday. Resulting in reactions that are amplified both positively and negatively.
        My Suggestion is that, if you could put a picture or poster or make an announcement on your website/social media showing which song has been chosen a.k.a “The Winner”, it gives us a chance to prepare for what to expect and people can just accept it earlier.

        This solution takes away the suspense but at the same time, it should minimize the amplification of the negative comments. Furthermore, the beauty of this solution is you only need to retrieve a picture of the artist, put some code for the page to display “The Winner”, which is a little bit of work but not as much as providing 2 KMM.

        3 years ago
    • beautiful.

      *slow clap.

      I’d also like to add that I’m confused with the blog now. I’m kind of torn on everything.
      I feel like the old system that was there for long was a bad idea, because it’s given people the idea that they’re opinions on what should be reviewed were the only thing that mattered. Then, the new system is created, where you would pick from the top 3. The point of this, I thought, was to allow other artist to actually have a chance, but at the same time allow you to choose what you wanted.
      But that quickly seemed like that wasn’t the case, and that it was completely about what you guys, which is fine, yes, it IS your blog. It was also basically off of what the general public liked. But I think people were just under the impression that those who liked lesser known artist were played, because the most popular video was still chosen anyways. By most popular, I don’t mean what’s number one necessarily, but what video in general was the most popular. I don’t see what the point of choosing her was at all. There were lesser known artist in the running, and you could have put your system to use and reviewed one of them.

      For me, I just felt kind of played. I thought the new system would include both the videos you liked, and at the same time give a chance to others.
      Then Lee Hi was reviewed. That was a really confusing time for me. I felt like you guys just submitted into reviewing it anyways just because it was Lee Hi, even though you said you weren’t huge fans of the song…

      Same with Man In Love, I feel like the would have been a good time to review something else and not submit into those crazy inspirits that really wanted it, to show that the voting system was changing. But instead, the most popular was still chosen. It was like there wasn’t even a new system in place.

      All I’m saying is, I’m getting mixed messages. Sorry if my post is confusing, I don’t know how to completely explain it.
      Also, I think it should be okay for people to be disappointed. Of course people would be, in my opinion. In terms of the Lee Hi thing anyways.

      Fans can be objective. You guys will have fans that don’t blindly love everything. The true fans wont truly hate something you do, though. I myself was just upset and confused. But it’s not like I was so butt hurt I’d unsubscribe.
      Those who actually did, what ever, that shouldn’t effect you guys, since the majority of people still like you.

      3 years ago
    • Whenever you start to get frustrated or pulled down about the few negative comments, go back in your minds to the fundraiser! We proved to you how much we love and support you! Go back to that feeling of blowing away your original goal in what 16 hours???? There are MANY more with you than against you…hajiman, we are not as vocal at the negative ones…I for one will try and do better uplifting you from now on.

      3 years ago
      • Maddie, you have completely mischaracterised what happened. People should not have to pass a test to “prove” they love Simon and Martina (I remain silent if they disagree with them) – this is not love, its sycophancy and its suppressing people’s right to express an opinion. It implies that you can only comment or expression an opinion as long as it tallies with Simon and Martina’s opinion.

        As for whether it was a vocal minority or not – again that is a complete mischaracterisation of what happened. As one of the moderators for EKY noted – a lot of people who expressed an opinion different to Simon and Martina had also donated to the fundraiser, some of them had been regular commentators who had supported Martina and Simon or they were newer commentators who been following for a while but not been that vocal. The vast majority of comments were polite and attempted to explain to Simon and Martina why they were genuinely upset and that they weren’t just being negative for the sake of it. I post two comments on my thought on what happened – I was not personally upset that Simon and Martina did not pick HYS, but I could see why others were. Martina and Simon’s fans and supporters are just as entitled to their opinion as Simon and Martina are. There should be nothing wrong with them expressing their difference politely, which they did.

        Although I feel like Simon and Martina have not taken on board the reason why people were upset (ie. the confusion about the voting system and people feeling like their vote means nothing), I have continued to remain a fan of EYK and watch all the videos, but seriously if I am being to to just shut up and that I am not allowed to express an opinion different to Simon and Martina, then I am more inclined to leave and no longer subscribe. I actually like the work Simon and Martina do and I enjoy their videos immensely. I would prefer to stay, rather than feel like I have to leave because I am not allowed to express a differing opinion.

        3 years ago
        • My dear, I thank you for your reply.

          I do not have a problem with ANYONE expressing an opinion, truly. I thrive on reading, watching and reading opposing views. I agree that we all have the freedom to give an honest opinion. I do however have a problem with those who give their opinion in a harsh, offensive and (in some cases) rude manner. Common courtesy is quickly dying in internet/fan culture. NEVER would I say that showing love to someone is manifested in staying silent when you disagree with a person. I agree totally that that is NOT love; that is insanity, that leads only to people being debased and abuse in the long run.

          My comment in no way was to make a person think that they need to ‘prove’ their support. Rather I wanted S&M to remember that no one can please everyone, and that overall, they are enormously valued by their fans.

          I also wanted to bring to the forefront the thought that many many many of us who greatly enjoy EYK do not comment and tell them that fact. As shown from some of the other comments that part was successful in some small way.

          Again, I thank you for your reply, and hope that you understand my true intent with my previous message.

          ~Cheers

          3 years ago
        • “… I credit them with my kpop and kdrama addictions :P” OH GOOD, I am not the only one! I was deep into the dramas before EYK but the K-pop…oh yeah totally crediting that to EYK! :)

          “…its entirely possible to love EYK and appreciate what Simon and Martina do but also disagree with them sometimes.” I agree with this with all of me! (but that doesn’t mean I love you or will follow you blindly!) ;P

          Thank you for your conversation. I have found it thought provoking and helpful. Keep on speaking up when you feel you need to (as if you need me to say that…sheesh!?!?!)

          And as always (okay usually) EYK FTW!

          3 years ago
        • I concur with everything that fuuko said above.

          I just want to make sure that EYK is a great place to hang around. I don’t always agree with people but I do know how to either 1. Hold my tongue if my opinion is not waranted or 2. State my view in a way that is not disparaging or disrespectful.

          Not everyone knows how to do that and thus the reason for myself, Fuuko and Cari to be Nasty Mods.

          3 years ago
        • Hi Natz :) I agree, people should be respectful and polite there is no need for anyone to be rude or offensive. I also agree with you that about the issue of when to comment. I have been following EYK for a year or so and while I read the comments regularly I have only in the past commented a few times here and there. The reason for my comments last time around was because I felt that people who did express disappointment were being treated unfairly. I had not planned to comment on the issue again (after the discussion/debate a couple of weeks ago) but I am glad that Simon and Martina have asked for feedback and its good to see that people are trying to contribute in a positive way.

          So, thanks again to the moderators for all your work and for the feedback, it is really good to hear things from your side of the fence.

          And of course thanks to Simon and Martina for doing such fantastic videos and inviting us into their lives. Please know that even if folks sometimes disagree with you, they still appreciate and respect all the wonderful things you are doing!

          3 years ago
        • Haha, thank you for clearing that up? ( ^ 3 ^)
          I disagree with S&M all the damn time. They disagree with me tons too. But it doesn’t mean we can’t get along.

          Generally, as mods, we care more about the tone and wording of a comment, rather than the content. Comments that aren’t respectful, or are just plain hurtful and don’t benefit anyone at all, are generally deleted before anyone even gets to see it. What remains usually is only there because we’ve already looked over it and thought it was ok.
          So, that’s partly why all the complaints on this website are so respectful, lol ^^;

          And so when S&M got upset about them, it made us feel a little bad too, because it’s partly our fault, for condoning something that hurt them, I guess. That’s why we’ve been discussing it in so much depth these last two weeks, and we’re still doing it now – how Mods can regulate comments so that they won’t hurt people, while still giving people the freedom to express their opinions.

          oh, lastly, Simon and Martina have definitely taken on board the fan’s point of view, when it comes to that LeeHi thing. We drummed it into their heads for a whole week, lol. If it’s one thing I can guarantee, is that they definitely know how you feel. As a bridge between the blog users and the blog owners, we try to make sure of that ^^b

          And, uh, raining stars: Please, express your differing opinions all you like!! So long as you’re polite about it. If you say it nicely, and anyone attacks you for it, we’ve got your back ^^b.

          However, just between you and me – personally, I don’t believe in people having a right to express their opinion. Most of the countries I grew up in did not have that culture. I think it’s great to have your own opinion, but there are times and places for expressing it, if at all.
          In the end, this website is ‘private property’. So I guess it is our judgement call as comment moderators on what is or is not allowed here, on this particular website. Yes we even delete S&M’s comments if we find them inflammatory.
          Oh we Mods are just so Nasty :p
          We can’t control what is on youtube or tumblr, though.

          3 years ago
        • I never thought about the fact that this site is ‘private property.’ But that is true…food for thought.

          Thank you for all that you Mods do. I for one an grateful for all the work you do to keep this site civil.

          ~Cheers!

          3 years ago
        • Thanks fuuko4869 :) I appreciate hearing things from your side of the fence on this issue. Keep up the great work!

          3 years ago
      • Agreed! I’ve been watching for months and this is my first time commenting. I think S&M are hilarious and I love what they do. I get to learn about a different culture and although I’m not a fan of Kpop, they’ve actually gotten me to like it a bit more (possibly converting me? Maybe?). Truthfully, I’ve grown to love their KMM and there are many times that my picks haven’t been chosen (remember Infinite H? I’m hugely biased to that subgroup. And even 24/7 by 2yoon. There are a few others too that I won’t list them) but seriously, I DON’T care. I just feel that people take all of this too seriously. I come here for TL;DR, FAP FAP, WANK, honest opinions and a laugh once in a while. For example: both KMMs today was BRILLIANT! I can’t stop laughing at the skits! I think that the one with mad meemers was possibly the best ideas that they had. and then I simply died when Simon called over Spudgy. PURE GOLD! And your KMM on your own mv couldn’t make me stop laughing! The beginning was so true (about biased votes getting a mv into the top 3) that it made me laugh. Okay. I could continue, but I think I’m going to stop for now :)

        3 years ago
        • Yeah, the negative ones are always the ones who make the most noise. This is the first time I’ve ever commented too, but I have been a fan of Simon and Martina for a while now. I have a condition called chronic fatigue syndrome, which is basically a really sucky illness that makes me tired all the time. It means that I can hardly ever get into school or meet friends at all, and though this might sound a bit sad, Simon and Martina stop me from feeling so lonely. You guise make me laugh even on the days when I’m all sulky and feeling sorry for myself.

          3 years ago
        • dont worry, u have us, nasty family is together

          3 years ago
        • Hehe I think so many people have that feeling sometimes of just wanting to curl up in bed and listen to happy stuff on the interent to wash over you, so maybe many of us can relate, even in a little way, to how you’re feeling. You should comment more with us all here ~(=w=)~ It’s a friendly bunch commenting on the blog posts, generally. Internet hugs! XD

          3 years ago
      • this is very very true, we need speak up more ;) (Y)

        3 years ago
      • Me too!

        3 years ago
      • Oh gosh, I didn’t think of it that way! The negative ones ARE the more vocal ones, huh? D8 Alright, I agree I’ll try to be more uplifting to them too! ^^

        3 years ago
    • One complaint though Simon… please stop calling Spudgy a Dirty Dumpster Dog!!!

      3 years ago
      • Hahaha. It’s the new phrase we have for him. He keeps on sleeping on garbage, and he looks so scraggly. Dumpster Doggy sounds cute, and seems to fit him at the moment :D

        3 years ago
        • Spudgy’s a prom night dumpster baby. Stewie Griffin Style!

          3 years ago
        • Doggies are weird that way. They will go rooting around in the garbage or rolling around on some random dead squirrel they’ve found because, to them it’s like Channel #5. *eww* I’m sure he’ll look better when you have time to get his summer hair cut. Spudgers is adorable, no matter what! XD

          3 years ago
  39. thanks for working so hard simon and martina! now you guys should go to sleep =)

    3 years ago
  40. 2 in one day!! What did we do to deserve this?

    3 years ago
    • we did lots of ‘Nasty’ things and have been wonderfully rewarded! #score

      3 years ago
    • Nothing comes from nothing.
      Nothing ever could.
      So somewhere in your youth, or childhood;
      You must’ve done something good?

      :D

      3 years ago
    • I think it’s because we’re so eyk bias…or awesome? It could be the awesomeness.

      3 years ago