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T-ara N4 “Jeon Won Diary” – Kpop Music Mondays

May 7, 2013

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Ok guise. Here’s our real Music Monday. We’re talking about Taranafourousrex’s “Jeon Won Diary”. We haven’t talked about Tara in a long time! If you haven’t heard this great song (but really dumb video) yet, check it out here!

Ok, so, we’re fiddling around with the Music Monday format a bit. A couple of things we want to do:

1) Include us talking with each other side by side so we can disagree, but not in an extended format.
2) Include the old Music Monday format that a lot of people complained about missing since it does add structure and flow
3) Having more segments within Music Monday, instead of a long video rant, then english talk, then dance talk, then showdown. Why not break the video talk part down into different segments as well?

We’re still working out the kinks for it all. Hopefully next week we’ll get more figured out.

Anyhow! On to Tara N4’s”Jeon Won Diary!” A couple of things:

1) Soo Zee watched the video and had a different reaction to it than we did, because the old sounding sample of the song is actually from an old TV show, from which the old grandma and grandpa in T-ara’s music video were actors. Cool! Though, we’re still not totally sold on the old-sound with weird speak rapping and then the funktasticness of the rest of the song, but at least we can appreciate its origins a bit more.

2) Let’s talk about sub-units here: now, this is going to be a difficult to talk about, and might get some people upset. Sub-units come about for many reasons. Some reasons might be obvious, like a member(s) acting in a drama and being unavailable. But I also believe that some sub-units are formed for reasons that will remain secret from the public, for example, some members are just more popular/unpopular/better dancers/singers/rappers/make more money and so on. The problem to me is this. The TaraN4 song was great but it seems they didn’t need a whole band to make a great song. The rest of the members, then, seem excessive, no? Does having that many more members really contribute to the quality of the music? Does having more members result in better songs? They had backup dancers to fill in the missing dancers, so even that didn’t seem to create a problem. Now if you’re a huge fan of a particular group and your bias isn’t in the sub-unit then yes, it will make a huge difference to you, but from an average kpop fans perspective, if it isn’t a huge change, isn’t that…weird?

We’re not saying that the rest of the members suck and don’t contribute anything of value. What we’re saying instead is that having small groups doesn’t seem to impact the music quality. Look at Orange Caramel, a sub-unit of After School, or TTS, a sub-unit of Girls’ Generation. We loved the songs these sub-units put out, yet doesn’t it seem like Orange Caramel is more active then After School? Plus, their music and video styles are totally different, so are they really a sub-unit or just a brand new group? Even when you look at TTS, you remember we complained that the title said Girls’ Generation-TTS, and we didn’t understand why, but we were told GG would rotate three members at a time creating different mini-sub groups of GG…yet that never happened. So what was the actual point of TTS? Why not let those three girls form their own little group without the attached image of being a member of GG? They’re certainty popular enough to survive on their own, so it just seems confusing to us.

3) Let’s talk money! Doesn’t it seem kinda financially detrimental to have a lot of members, since the sales of the music are divided up so many more times? There are, what now: 7 (almost 8 if you count Dani) total members of T-ara, right? Dividing up the profits from a song by 4 rather than by 8 means the members get double the money for themselves. More money for the members means happier members, no? Financially speaking, as business owners now, I’d rather have less staff that work more efficiently, rather than more staff that do the same amount of work. Or is that a bad thing to say?

But on the other side, having more members means creating more choices for people to like, and you can divide the groups up to tour in different parts of the world to make more money, like with Super Junior and EX-O. You can also keep the group going if one person joins a drama or leaves for military, unlike in a smaller group like for example, Miss A, who seems to have fallen off the face of the planet expect for Suzy who has been acting in dramas non-stop since 2011 until now. I guess considering the business side of kpop, it’s a difficult choice for entertainment companies.

So the question is:
Doesn’t it seem like future Kpop bands should stick to three to four members? The music sounds just as good, and the members will get more money out of it, which will result in them being happier and less overworked. Agree or disagree? What are we missing out on here?

Anyhow, if you’re digging this song as much as I am (Martina’s half half on the song), pick it up either on iTunes or YesAsia. Oh! And you can check out this week’s Bloopers here!

Sidenote: sorry to the SHINee fans who are upset that we didn’t review “Why So Serious” We seriously didn’t like anything about that song or video. We’re usually SHINee fans. They’re our second favorite group in Kpop, and everything they do is usually fanfreakingtastic, but Why So Serious was not good in our opinions, and we’d be miserable making a video about it. Sorry!

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  1. Taemaximum :D
    I didn’t like the song : but I liked the review. Also, I am a SHINee fan, but video was so so. Jonghyun wasn’t there, also chorus was … It was nothing like RDD, Lucifer….I liked dance only.
    If there were only talented artists in group it would be cool, but of course, some are talented in acting, some have gorgeous faces, some have good vocals and etc. Big Bang, SHINee has 5 members, so it’s totally okay with me. Suju maybe has too many, it was difficult for me to remember their names D:
    I vote for DalShabet

    3 years ago
    • Yay, I’m not the only one who thinks that about SuJu! (Seriously. I still haven’t managed to memorize all their names yet. @_@)

      3 years ago
  2. FAIL on the show dwon part xD Yoy showed T-ara instead of GD ^^

    3 years ago
  3. Martina, thank you for pointing out their crappy farming skills – they’re no better than 10 year old (I speak from experience – the wheelbarrow fell over on me though because it was full with ration feed and I was trying to force it over a step). Your skit about a positive female image was really great as well.

    I also like the fusion of formats – I really enjoyed the 30 second face off

    I also adore the drawing on the black board – if EXO fell into a whole how long until SM helps them out, rofl!

    3 years ago
  4. Also companies have SOO many trainees that needs to be debuted soon

    3 years ago
  5. In the showdown part, for the winner of last KPOP MM you Put T-ara MV !!!! :| :)
    this version of KPOPMM is good :)
    Love you guys :)
    Fighting

    3 years ago
  6. Martine, your T-shirt is A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!!

    And I really prefer that version of KMM over the last you did for MichiGO. More dynamic, love it!

    3 years ago
  7. Loved this version of KMM. It was so freaking fantastic. You guys have so much energy and it just was incredibly fun to watch. Thank you! :D

    Also, I absolutely love the questions you guise write on the blackboard. I’ve noticed those the past few times you’ve had the blackboard in the videos and they crack me up every time.

    3 years ago
  8. I wasn’t a fan of “Why So Serious” either, so I’m kind of glad you guys didn’t review it. Hope you don’t get too much hate from disappointed Shawols.
    Regarding T-ara N4’s inability to do farm work: My interpretation was that rather than judging someone by what they’re not good at (in this case farming), you should judge based on what they ARE good at (in this case, dancing). So the message wasn’t, “Yeah we can’t do this hard labor stuff but hey, at least we know how to look sexy!” so much as “Sure, we can’t do some things, but instead of complaining about it, we’re going to concentrate on what we can do and what we enjoy doing.” They definitely went a bit over the top with the farm scenes, though. Wheelbarrows do not tip over that easily.

    3 years ago
    • “Sure, we can’t do some things, but instead of complaining about it, we’re going to concentrate on what we can do and what we enjoy doing.” Ah I never thought of it that way. That’s a really nice outlook ^^ And yea.. the producer could’ve lessen the farm work exaggeration lol

      3 years ago
  9. TaeMAXIMUM! Can’t wait to see that final Taemin stage XD

    And I almost died laughing about Hulk Fisting, oh god I’m laughing again. Must stop!

    I really like this tweeked version of MM. I say give the debate 45 seconds.

    3 years ago
  10. Wohoooow! Kudos to Martina for wearing grandma’s yazma! I gotta show her this weeks KMM! XD
    Great job, guise! Seriously, your version of “farm girls” was a lot better AND true! (^-^)/ YAAAY!

    3 years ago
  11. I like this format! Good job!

    3 years ago
  12. JJ

    I don’t think they pay attention to the groups except for musically. With all that they do, they probably don’t have time to pay attention to all that.

    3 years ago
    • True that, but then it’s not fair for them to say they “fell off the face of the earth.” It hasn’t been THAT long since their comeback as a group.

      Anyways, awesome KMM Simon & Martina! I really like this format, it’s a lot more fun to watch. Also I don’t think you guys should feel forced to do skits if you don’t want to.

      3 years ago
  13. Was I the only one missed all of simon’s speech in front of the chalkboard because I was reading the Exo math problem?

    3 years ago
  14. it’s EXO. not EX-O :D I am a huge fan. the biggest EXO fangirl you’ll ever meet so believe me. it’s EXO :D
    and the dash is only if you separate. EXO-M or EXO-K. together they are EXO. and P.S. guys!!! I am a huge fan of yours. I love your vid and I’ve been watching you for YEARS! I even… stalked your studio in hongdae for like… 5 minutes but then my drunken friends pulled me into cocoon. :D you are awesome. EXO EXO EXO EXO EXO EXO

    3 years ago
  15. …usually our opinions are somewhat similar on some points, but I have to say it : I LOVED SHINee’s song ;) specially since the whole concept seems more personal and meaningful XD

    3 years ago
  16. It’s very weird. I totally love Why So Serious, like really love it. I’m surrpised that many people don’t like it and that it charts bad :(
    Well, everyone has their own taste in music right? For example I don’t really like SHINee’s juliette, even though that wa sone of their most popular songs ever. I hope SHINee will still give their ebst! :P
    Sidenote: TaeMAXIMUM?! xD
    then what would be the 4th stage? xD

    3 years ago
    • The Why So Serious TRACK with Jonghyun’s voice was really good because it had better flow than the MV version, which honestly didn’t go over too well with Taemin, in my opinion. He couldn’t get the song to flow as well as Jonghyun would have. Also, the MV was uninteresting, so imagine how hard all of those things would make it for S&M to explain…

      BUT the full album was, in my opinion, as a whole VERY GOOD. I like the more rock/contemporary sound they’re taking for this album.

      3 years ago
      • i do agree on the flow of it. It sounds complete with Jonghyun’s voice and better because of his mooth voice. Though i have to say taemin really grew so much with his voice. And uninteresting, well, shinee is after all a SM group, they’re boxed Mv’s , but i really do respect S&M decision. Would kinda make me feel miserable and them too if they talked about things they don’t like. And I’m a T-ara fan too, so i was happy :P though just slightly disappointed that they ddin’t really liked wss, which I thought they would have loved
        And yes, the album is amazing! :D
        mee too. I’m not really a person who lsitend to rock, but i do like it depending on the song ^^ and wss defintely took a spot in my heart ^_^
        as always, I can defintely rely on SHINee, because they’re just that great :D

        3 years ago
    • I’m Not a fan of Why So Serious? nor a Shinee bias. (I adore Lucifer and Ring Ding Dong…..okay and Dream Girl)
      But don’t worry the digital SINGLE downloads of just the song WSS may not be going brilliantly

      HOWEVER Male Groups (esp SM ENT ones to be honest)
      rely a lot more on Physical Full Album sales than just singles.

      Take Sexy Free & Single from SuJu last year.
      Single charted 5 and 15 respectively on Gaon and Billboard
      BUT SFS the album was purchased more than any other album in korea last year. (if you don’t count BigBangs repackage as the same album….whatever Suju sold heaps)

      Why so Serious has topped album charts now for straight weeks so don’t you worry about your boys
      They are still popular as ever.
      And its probably a great compliment that people want to hear ALL of their songs and not just one.

      I won’t be buying it. But apparently a lot of people in Korea are!
      Hope that make you happier!! :)

      3 years ago
      • hehe, yes i red news that they charted well with their physical album sales ^^
        that people hate the song, not dislike, but HATE :(
        since i love it and it’s something shinee wanted to try and do themselves

        3 years ago
        • yes shinee had amazing songs, and personally i think WSS belongs to them, but of course people can have their own opinions. But there really are fans out tehre that say they hate it, which kinda hurts me

          3 years ago
    • Oh did it not do well in the charts? I’ve not really loved anything Shinee’s done this year – Sherlock was epic though, great k-pop music in my opinion!

      3 years ago
      • dunno. Someone that commented on this video earlier than me aid it. And i have not seen then on the korean charts yet, at least they’re not in intiz chart rankings, just saw it.

        I only know they got 1# for world album billboard?right?

        I didn’t love dream girl, but i don’t hate it. It’s kinda the same feeling as juleitte, mentioned as above, i don’t love it, but i can listen to it.

        But I am really impressed with Why So Serious, it’s on a different level from music. But maybe because it’s rock, people are not really accepting…But SHINee’s

        y band in kpop, so i’m sure after some time wss will be one of their popular songs, they just need to take the first step imo.
        And Sherlock was inded epic! the strength i saw in that song xD
        It’s a hybrid song, one of the first i think in recent years?
        At first i did not like sherlock but i slowly fell in love with it and now i like it though i still love their RDD and lucifer era, but that was kinda the golden years for them io think.
        But sHINee keeps shining for always :P

        3 years ago
  17. I like this format. :)

    3 years ago
  18. I really loved the format of this weeks music monday. I liked how you kept structure, but still fit the some side by side shots of you guys together and turning the bantering of opinions about the song into almost like a little skit where it couldn’t get too drawn out. I think that would be a good thing to keep doing or something similar to that in future music mondays as well. I like that you guys are trying to mix things up a little to revamp KMM.

    Also, one of my favorite parts… TaeMAXIMUM. xD

    3 years ago
  19. That was a awesome KMM. It was a bit different than usual, but it didn’t lose us either, the timer for the debate was a great idea, you made a super good use of the green (blue? green?) screen, I seriously believed I was in the deep countryside (wait… I am in the deep countryside), and the mentions of the other videos at the beginning were nice too… Great job for this second KMM of the night. You deserve some sleep now. Go to bed naw!

    Oh, and sorry teacher Simon, I didn’t listen to a word of what you were saying, I was busy solving the EXO equation. Hard one…

    3 years ago
  20. Simon, you’re right! ♥ It’s not the best song of them, but it’s soooooooooooo fun and maybe it will become the best song of the year. And if not of this year.. then out of May. I’m looking forward. Roly-Polying away….! ♥ *awkward*

    3 years ago
  21. hahaha Taemaximum!!!
    that chalkboard is awesome!!!

    3 years ago
  22. You should post a picture of yourself laying beside a river in 3 days. Not being dead, just looking like it :P

    3 years ago
  23. same here about the format… i think the 30 sec S vs M was great… although i myself am unorganized i must say that having structured segments allows for more enjoyment :)

    3 years ago
  24. I was hoping you’d focus more on the lyrics, which are pretty spunky, but apart from that I am tremendously pleased with this KMM and its updated, yet familiar format. You’ve achieved everything that’s mentioned in the blog post and I dig it very much.

    Also: Hulk fisting. <3

    3 years ago
  25. I really like this new format! It looks great!

    I LOVE this song! Just listening to it again, I want to start dancing. I think it’s great! I think it’s fabulous that begged the older couple from the show to feature in the MV – I think it’s in part to appeal to a Korean audience who is familiar with it. I think it’s also not so much about farming as it is about escaping to a place of seclusion (which is a common theme in K-drama) to figure things out – sort of like a self -reflection time. And this allows them to make a bigger, stronger comeback and tell the haters to just stop. I also really loved that SPEED got some love in the song.

    3 years ago
  26. Awesome KMM guys, like seriously. While i loved the shift in your style last week, I like how you combined the old and new. I absolutely 100% love it that you guys are trying to open up a discussion between yourselves, on camera, so we can see opposing viewpoints on the songs and videos.

    Also, the mini ninja debate on the song was pure gold. I definitely LOLed. And the abundance of skits in this KMM made up for last week.

    As for the song and video, I’m kind of a mix of emotions. I’ve never really been a fan of T-ara. I don’t love em or hate em, I’m just indifferent, I guess. Their style(s) have never really caught my attention. This song, however, really grew on me.

    I’ll admit, I couldn’t make it through their music video. I was too disgusted by the whole “Oh em geeee, farming is haaaaard guise” attitude. I can handle a little aegyo, but not when it makes the person seem dumb or incompetent. Acting dumb is not cute, ladies. Thank you for totally ripping into that aspect of the mv.

    The dance version of the mv is totally awesome though. They kill that choreography. The song is great overall though. I’ll probably add it to my ipod even, making it like, the second T-ara song I will have in my collection.

    As always, great job guys. Keep up the hard work.

    3 years ago
  27. Simon and Martina! please unblock me on youtube….I can even subscribe to your channel anymore… You guys said that were going to unblock me and you still haven’t done it.

    3 years ago
    • What’s your youtube account username? Why were you blocked? Will you stop doing…whatever it was that got you blocked?

      S&M rarely read the kpop chart comments, but if you compile a short message, I’ll try emailing it to them. I can unblock people on the site, but not on youtube. ^^b

      3 years ago
  28. I’m glad to see you’re still searching for a new format for KMM! Somehow I get the feeling that this week’s version suits you way better than what you guise did last week. I understand that it might take some time for you to feel comfortable doing KMM in a new format but I’m sure you guys will pull it off. You’re definitely on the right track. Now all you can hope for is that all those loyal nasties who got accustomed to your old format will get accustomed to your new one. Break a leg guise!!! XD

    3 years ago
  29. I agree with that sexy girl towards the end! You should do 2PM! And so glad to see you went back to the old style of kpmm!

    3 years ago
  30. totally agree with you Martina XD

    3 years ago
  31. You have T-Ara’s video playing during the showdown when you mention G-Dragon ^^;
    And the annotations don’t seem to be working, for me at least

    3 years ago
  32. Thank you! We’ve still got some things we want to work out, some ideas we haven’t fully matured yet, but we plan on adding more to KMM in the future. I hope you’ll still like it :D

    3 years ago
    • I agree. Maybe Simon and Martina could each get a minute to explain and debate. I did really like seeing the interaction between you guys.

      3 years ago
    • Yeah, I think bumping up the debates to a minute or so, so both sides can say a couple points, would be better. I just really like hearing others’ opinions about songs and artists and kpop in general, especially from people who aren’t in my circle of friends or in my particular fanclub.

      3 years ago
    • Can’t wait to see what you have up your nasty sleeves ;)

      3 years ago
  33. 1 IFEX-O HAS FALLEN DOWN A HOLE, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR SMENT TOHELP THEM OUT?
    2 Save equation.
    3 Blow bubbles and POP ‘EM. (OOH! Bubble pop??)

    1st Form – Taemin —> 2nd Form – TaeMAN —> Final Form – ?
    TAEMAXIMUM???
    XD

    3 years ago
  34. I really liked that 30s disagreement battle you had
    it was really fun to watch~^^

    3 years ago
  35. BTW why was T-ara video where G-dragons video should be lol?

    3 years ago
  36. I always thought sub groups were meant to take a different sound and look to a group with an already established sound and image. Like infinite and infinite-h for example. Infinite do 80’s sounding songs and infinite h totally went a different route to this. The same could be said for orange caramel and after school, or tts and snsd.

    Now, the reason why this t-ara sub unit upset me a little bit was because it felt like this could have been a perfectly good t-ara song NOT a t-ara n4 song. This sub unit is clearly a popularity show. Jiyeon’s presence says it all. The girl isn’t known to be very talented in singing (Sorry jiyeon :( I like you really) but she’s VERY popular. To not put soyeon into this group who is t-ara’s best singer proves my point. This sub group (as much as I love the song) just emphasises that t-ara sadly doesn’t need the remain 3 (4?) members.

    3 years ago
    • It’s Jiwon, not Jiyon (Spica member) :)

      3 years ago
    • I thought they made this sub-unit because Hyomin, Eunjung, Jiyeon and Ahreum were the strongest dancers in the group, and since this was a more complex dance song (to an extent), they were put in a sub-unit, while Soyeon, Boram and Qri tackled Japan as their own sub-unit.

      3 years ago
    • It has been announced the 3 others members will start a subunit in Japan. That’s totally understandable since Qri, Boram and Soyeon has more the cute doll image that suits japan market very well… Only Areum has also a cute image (because she’s still young) but she can also be sexy/fresh that suits the Korean markets more (other SE asian markets aswell). Besides Areum is actually the second best singer in the whole group (behind Soyeon) and one of the best rapper (maybe the best since Hwayoung departure – not prooved yet), so they needed her for the high pitch + she needs more exposure in Korea even though she is quite popular already.
      So, I agree that they put in t-ara N4 the most popular member in Korea, to promote in Korea.

      Actually, you only need 2 members to make a real good song : one singer and one rapper (see Turbo…). But kpop idol group’ standards need also a ‘visual’, ‘backup dancers’, ‘subvocal’, ‘subrapper’… So yeah, in fact you don’t need a lot of members to make good songs,but it’s kpop industry.

      I think T-ara is one of the girl group with the most different of personalities. Jeon Won Diary could have been carried by any combination of 2 members of the subunit (maybe not Areum part) but each member adds her own colour to the song, so it’s really better with

      Subunits have a lot of use :
      It allows to try new stuff from the original group (see Orange Caramel / After School)
      It allows.to stay in the music field (the subunit promoting) and to cover other branches of the entertainment industry at the same time (tvshow, movie/drama, music, musical, publicity), and also to conquer different overseas markets (A simple example, even though Kara are still quite popular in Korea, they work 70-80% of the time in Japan. I think they are acting more than singing in korea nowadays.. Popularity in korea music world seems to decrease. )
      It also allows ‘total inactive’ members to focus on other things like studying/training, personal business, working, (resting?) etc…
      And something significant, subunits use the fame of the mother group to grow faster (at the beginning at least).

      PS: totally love this very energetic dance btw.

      3 years ago
    • I think if you judge by the lyrics and the drama scenes (like Kang Min Kyung booed on stage but still dancing ’cause one fan still shows support) one of the main theme of the songs is to stick it to the haters.

      Yes Soyeon (who’s role in a drama got slowly sidelined), Qri & Boram (“caught destroying Hwayoung’s Umbrella during Idol Olympics”-said antis… while in fact she was actually shielding Hwayoung from the rain with her umbrella) did got hurt by the controversy but it was Eunjeung, Hyomin and Jiyeon who got the burnt of the witchhunt. And Ahreum also got flak for “having the nerve” to take Hwa’s position. It was the N4 members which recieve the nasty rumours and lies spread about their personalities (Jiyeon likes to burn traineess with cigarettes, Hyomin likes to have sex parties, Eunjeung was secretly married to Osama bin Laden and gets paid to feed rice cakes to Kim Jong Un, Ahreum eats babies to keep her milky white skin).

      So in my opinion the whole Jeon Won Diary and N4 movement is sort of a way for them to fight back against their detractors. This is why I respect them so much, and even if this single doesn’t sell as well as their other songs, I still consider it a total WIN in my book.

      3 years ago
    • Isn’t Areum the main rapper and not Hyomin, (although she is awesome the role was passed.onto Areum, from Hwayoung) even the leader of Speed . How sad is that

      3 years ago
    • They really did just put the three most popular members together didn’t they… and maybe they hope the added exposure will make Areum more popular as well?

      3 years ago
  37. If I was a k-pop producer, I would totally hire you guys to direct our music videos.

    3 years ago
  38. Mav

    OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG so freaking funny! really “If EX-O fell on a hole how long would it take SM to help them?” I rolled rolled rolled………. on the floor and the 3 stages of the Taemin were awesome…….. I love that blackboard…

    And the First WORLD Problems skit… loved it!!!!!

    Edit: Loved the format! Good day to you sir!

    3 years ago
  39. I really love this version of KMM!

    3 years ago
  40. But Why So Serious is so awesome T^T
    It was actually the first song that got me into SHINee XD
    I think this song is absolutely horrible x]

    BTW this version of KMM is amazing (: keep it up!

    3 years ago
    • I really liked WSS too and I found the T-aran4 song to be boring, but eh, lol. Que sera..

      3 years ago
    • I think Why so serious is awesome too! *high five*

      3 years ago
      • HIGH FIVE. Though I am really happy they didnt review it. because if this song had non stop hate, I probably would’ve been so mad at Simon and Martina XD

        3 years ago
    • i second that…. wow…. for the first time SHINee actually disappointed me. i don’t think it’s the worst song evarrr but when your standards are so high (ring ding dong, sherlock <3) why so serious doesn't even come close :( but it's okay… every group is allowed 1 bad song pass…. right?

      3 years ago
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