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T-ara N4 “Jeon Won Diary” – Kpop Music Mondays

May 7, 2013

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Ok guise. Here’s our real Music Monday. We’re talking about Taranafourousrex’s “Jeon Won Diary”. We haven’t talked about Tara in a long time! If you haven’t heard this great song (but really dumb video) yet, check it out here!

Ok, so, we’re fiddling around with the Music Monday format a bit. A couple of things we want to do:

1) Include us talking with each other side by side so we can disagree, but not in an extended format.
2) Include the old Music Monday format that a lot of people complained about missing since it does add structure and flow
3) Having more segments within Music Monday, instead of a long video rant, then english talk, then dance talk, then showdown. Why not break the video talk part down into different segments as well?

We’re still working out the kinks for it all. Hopefully next week we’ll get more figured out.

Anyhow! On to Tara N4’s”Jeon Won Diary!” A couple of things:

1) Soo Zee watched the video and had a different reaction to it than we did, because the old sounding sample of the song is actually from an old TV show, from which the old grandma and grandpa in T-ara’s music video were actors. Cool! Though, we’re still not totally sold on the old-sound with weird speak rapping and then the funktasticness of the rest of the song, but at least we can appreciate its origins a bit more.

2) Let’s talk about sub-units here: now, this is going to be a difficult to talk about, and might get some people upset. Sub-units come about for many reasons. Some reasons might be obvious, like a member(s) acting in a drama and being unavailable. But I also believe that some sub-units are formed for reasons that will remain secret from the public, for example, some members are just more popular/unpopular/better dancers/singers/rappers/make more money and so on. The problem to me is this. The TaraN4 song was great but it seems they didn’t need a whole band to make a great song. The rest of the members, then, seem excessive, no? Does having that many more members really contribute to the quality of the music? Does having more members result in better songs? They had backup dancers to fill in the missing dancers, so even that didn’t seem to create a problem. Now if you’re a huge fan of a particular group and your bias isn’t in the sub-unit then yes, it will make a huge difference to you, but from an average kpop fans perspective, if it isn’t a huge change, isn’t that…weird?

We’re not saying that the rest of the members suck and don’t contribute anything of value. What we’re saying instead is that having small groups doesn’t seem to impact the music quality. Look at Orange Caramel, a sub-unit of After School, or TTS, a sub-unit of Girls’ Generation. We loved the songs these sub-units put out, yet doesn’t it seem like Orange Caramel is more active then After School? Plus, their music and video styles are totally different, so are they really a sub-unit or just a brand new group? Even when you look at TTS, you remember we complained that the title said Girls’ Generation-TTS, and we didn’t understand why, but we were told GG would rotate three members at a time creating different mini-sub groups of GG…yet that never happened. So what was the actual point of TTS? Why not let those three girls form their own little group without the attached image of being a member of GG? They’re certainty popular enough to survive on their own, so it just seems confusing to us.

3) Let’s talk money! Doesn’t it seem kinda financially detrimental to have a lot of members, since the sales of the music are divided up so many more times? There are, what now: 7 (almost 8 if you count Dani) total members of T-ara, right? Dividing up the profits from a song by 4 rather than by 8 means the members get double the money for themselves. More money for the members means happier members, no? Financially speaking, as business owners now, I’d rather have less staff that work more efficiently, rather than more staff that do the same amount of work. Or is that a bad thing to say?

But on the other side, having more members means creating more choices for people to like, and you can divide the groups up to tour in different parts of the world to make more money, like with Super Junior and EX-O. You can also keep the group going if one person joins a drama or leaves for military, unlike in a smaller group like for example, Miss A, who seems to have fallen off the face of the planet expect for Suzy who has been acting in dramas non-stop since 2011 until now. I guess considering the business side of kpop, it’s a difficult choice for entertainment companies.

So the question is:
Doesn’t it seem like future Kpop bands should stick to three to four members? The music sounds just as good, and the members will get more money out of it, which will result in them being happier and less overworked. Agree or disagree? What are we missing out on here?

Anyhow, if you’re digging this song as much as I am (Martina’s half half on the song), pick it up either on iTunes or YesAsia. Oh! And you can check out this week’s Bloopers here!

Sidenote: sorry to the SHINee fans who are upset that we didn’t review “Why So Serious” We seriously didn’t like anything about that song or video. We’re usually SHINee fans. They’re our second favorite group in Kpop, and everything they do is usually fanfreakingtastic, but Why So Serious was not good in our opinions, and we’d be miserable making a video about it. Sorry!

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  1. Si and Mari! This new format is absolutely AWEfreakingSOME ! Watching you guise do a kpop music monday fills me with a sense of relief and the benefit of not needing to explain myself as I share 99.9% of all your opinions… so usually when a friend asks “what do u think of this and this video?” i would always say “watch si and mari”…
    That being said, i hated tiaranehfoursauraus. The least- liked tara members together in one sub-unit, the sun is already shining brighter! I don’t really “enjoy” t-ara (with the exception of Roly Poly babeeeh!) and wen i watched them more i was like “you know what? Boram, Qri, and Hwayoung aren’t that bad!” … Guess what? Hwayoung is gone and Qri and Boram aren’t even IN the subgroup! Its PRETTY obvious what the “choosing” of the members of the n4 was based upon though…

    And i’m a huge Shawol (or is it a shawl? shool? shamo?) … y so serious made me want to jump off a balcony whilst piercing my eardrums simultaneously.

    4 years ago
  2. S&M…. i just realized the t-ara joke that u always said…p-a-r-t why was actually p-a-r-t-y… silly me didnt noticed that for a long time

    4 years ago
  3. One of the best Music Mondays, imo.

    4 years ago
  4. Oh, and I prefer smaller kpop groups for practical reasons; I get to know everyone in the band in a shorter amount of time, normally in smaller group there is not a focus in just a few members while the others just stand like backup and, like you said, the number of members doesn’t affect the music quality,

    4 years ago
  5. Ok, so this is the funniest KMM since BoA’s Disturbance. Seriously guys, this is EPIC! So happy you are trying out new things! I was getting bored with the old format.
    Side note: funny thing about SHINee’s “Why So Serious?” song and MV is that I was serious the entire video because it was SO BAD. I’m a SHINee’s fan but this single was just meee

    4 years ago
  6. It is out, and it is also your duty, as slave to the Galactic Overlords, to vote for them. Do it!

    4 years ago
  7. “Doesn’t it seem like future Kpop bands should stick to three to four members? The music sounds just as good, and the

    members will get more money out of it, which will result in them being happier and less overworked. Agree or disagree? What are we missing out on here?” I don’t know if they’ll be happier or less overworked… the kpop scene is kind of full and bursting open right now and any new group might have trouble becoming popular…and have to work harder… I dont know…

    As to what I can say about T-ara’s sub-unit… I’m just glad Ram’s sister Boram isn’t in it – . -‘

    0:39 don’t make jokes like that ;_;

    “Titaes” :))

    1:57 X’DD Martina wins! *yey* :))

    nice way of speaking Simon but I think next time I’ll need subtitles :))

    You look good guise! :D I guess your diet is making progresses :) and Spudgy’s so cute! :D

    Awesome review!! :D:D Great job!! :)

    ♥♥♥♥♥♥

    P.S: For the showdown I vote Dal Shabet

    P.S.s: Guise, who’s that on your laptop in the background?

    4 years ago
  8. Well they’ve had other awesome songs(being reviewed) so I don’t think that Simon and Martina’s opinion would have that much say in this situation…people’ tastes differ… besides they did say “They’re our second favorite group in Kpop”

    4 years ago
    • I don’t think that Simon and Martina’s opinions are that deciding… for example there was once when they didn’t like an artist’s song and I still checked their other songs regardless… so I think it depends on each individual

      4 years ago
  9. Good job on the format! It really flowed and I enjoyed the pieces with you both together!!<3
    Also great points in the blog post! There are some serious things to consider in there!!

    4 years ago
  10. yay! I’m glad you returned to a more normalish KMM style. I really liked how you guys “fixed” it. you should go design videos for k-pop producers.

    The vibe that i got when watching this video was that, they tried to make it humorous like PSY’s videos, because he got so famous with them, but fail…. completely, and miserably. they should stick to what they are good at.

    As fun/catchy as the song itself may be, the video is such utter crap (imo) that it definitely doesn’t make me want to watch it again. what a weird setting…

    4 years ago
  11. I do think the extra members is excessive and really unnecessary for music quality (especially when it is not even noticeable a voice is missing because their voices are not distinct enough)…I think the tendency for Kpop to have large groups is one of the reasons Kpop has hard time crossing over to western market…the largest group acceptable is generally 5 and after 5 it seems too overwhelming.

    4 years ago
  12. This Kpop Music Monday is pure gold!

    4 years ago
  13. Number 1: In rippito flippito super slow motion
    Number 2: Bubble bubble bubble pop!
    Number 3: Onew eating a chicken? O.o

    4 years ago
  14. There’s the awkward zombie dance all the zombies suddenly popping up in Kpop to talk about… and the pretty startling way the song suddenly changes keys… and how Shinee assures us that Romeo and Juliet was “not a sad love story” and then turns things around by accusing the girl of being a “romance fiction maniac” because she wants a happy ending to their love story… I mean honestly this song is pretty mental! I can’t tell if we’re supposed to recognize that it’s an insane song or if we’re supposed to love and endorse it straightforwardly, haha.

    T-ara N4 is a better song and a more interesting video, though, I think, so I was happy to see it reviewed! Personally I think they didn’t need that rap guy, and I wish the song made better use of their voices. There’s another singer in T-ara I really like and I wish she could’ve been in this subunit… as it is, there’s only one strong singer carrying most of the lines, and Jiyeon has almost nothing to do, which is way more noticeable when there’s only four of them.

    4 years ago
    • The rap guy, you meant Taewoon right? His rap is one of my most favourite parts of the song though.

      And I guess the singer you meant is Soyeon is it? I’d love to have her in this sub-unit and Queen’s have been crazy about this too. But then when it turns out that she’s saved to be in the upcoming japanese sub-unit of T-ara along with RiRam, we have no more thing to complain.

      As for “Jiyeon has almost nothing to do”, I don’t think so. I feel that she even has more lines than Eunjung and Areum which also surprises me. I personally thought that Hyomin and Eunjung would have lots of parts in this song but turn out it applied to only Hyomin.

      4 years ago
  15. “If EXO has fallen down a hole, how long will it take for SM to help them out?”

    Answer: Since their are twelve members in the group they could, depending on the depth of the hole, get at at least half of the members out by making a human pyramid and those at the top could climb out. Then they could Hollywood style reach into the hole, possibly holding a member by the ankles, and helping the rest of the members out. In the mean time SM would be making Rescue EXO teasers while the boys are getting a much needed shower after falling into a hole.

    4 years ago
    • Lol at your great response….”If EXO has fallen down a hole, how long will it take for SM to help them out?”

      ..my fellow kpop fans and I on twitter have a long-standing joke about SM’s …*Basement of Irrelevancy*
      The place where under-performing($$) groups go for ‘time-out’.
      or…. if shunned altogether, they remain permanently — like TheGrace and TRAX.
      ~ ~never to be seen again ~ cue the spooky music ~ ♫♪

      4 years ago
  16. i’m really digging the format. much improvement from the previous. Like the talk showdown, great way to incorporate the “debate” side of things. personally I’d want maybe like 45 seconds? haha but that’s just me. skits are top notch as usual *thumbs up* but when you were doing ur own quick run through sarcastic version of the mv it was great for the first few seconds but then was a bit too long that it gave off the feel u were mocking the group? Which i totally know ur not but I can see if some ppl might take to offense? perhaps find more balance in talking about the song a bit more than majority mv? cuz then you (Simon) would be able to express more on how you do actually like the song. I hope my rambling makes sense :)

    BTW loved the opening scene of Simon kicking balloons in slow-mo haha some nasty kicking right there

    4 years ago
  17. That totally awesome moment when you’re bored at work and you realise – there’s a new K.Pop Music Monday at home waiting to be watched. Even awesomer moment when you log into EYK and find 2!!!!!!!! Music Mondays to be had :-D
    Thanks Guys, you got me through a very long day. xx

    4 years ago
  18. OMG! YES T-ARA GOT REVIEWED <333333333333333333 WOOHOO!!!!
    btw, Simon & Martina, it's pronounced Tee-a-ra-en-four :D shootz

    4 years ago
  19. i agree with simon…..******

    4 years ago
  20. More group members, more issues. You end up with a SNSD song with no clear direction. The more people in the group trying to be me, me, me, just bogs down. I’m all for 3-5 members in a group, more focused results. Want to experiment with a dance concept, hire some backup dancers. Need a larger sound for a particular song, hire backup singers.

    4 years ago
  21. I was reading it in Martina’s voice the whole time until I realized that Simon was the person writing it at the end…..I had to go back and re-read it lol

    4 years ago
  22. So, am I missing the whole point of voting for the video to be reviewed on KMM? Are we supposed to vote for the one we want to be reviewed or the one that was put in as a ruse?! If it doesn’t have a shot why is it included? I’m a huge fan of all you do but….. SHINee or whoever…. The most votes should be the one reviewed. I can barely take you serious that you liked this M/V over anything. Sub unit of bad is just a smaller chunk of bad!

    4 years ago
  23. I personally like both songs and was expecting you guys to make a review on Shinee actually since you guys love them. :) Even so, Tara N4’s Jeon Won Diary seems suited more for KMM than Shinee’s Why So Serious. And also, I understand your reasons for choosing not to review Shinee, so yeah. :)

    Thanks for the entertainment Simon and Martina! Love the new format and enjoy making more KMMs and your other videos! :)

    Side note: I’m not sure if it’s me only, but the annotations for this video, and as well as the “fake” uBeat KMM, aren’t showing on the screen even if I turn the annotation on. Hope you guys could check and clarify. Thanks. :)

    4 years ago
  24. I’m just the opposite. I like hearing what they say about the videos more than the skits. I like the skits and all but sometimes they just miss the mark with me. And while their opinion of the song/video rarely changes mine, I just like hearing their opinions and insights on the video. :D

    I think it’ll be hard to find a balance between the “more skits” and “more opinions” viewpoints. I guess it depends on how inspired they are by the video. I’d rather have good skits than skits that seem like they are just thrown in because they feel they need them, if you know what I mean.

    4 years ago
  25. Nic

    I really really really agreed with you guys about the girls working in the countryside. It really rubbed me the wrong way and you guys articulated the problem perfectly. It could have been a much better storyline.

    Right now I am in the Korean countryside with my husband’s family. His parents work really hard from dawn to dusk. Farming is really hard work and doesn’t pay much. They have worked hard so that their children don’t have to be farmers too, because it’s so difficult.

    If those girls were on my in-laws farm and behaving like that I would want to… I don’t know…. slap them in the face or something. I know it’s supposed to be a fun video, but like you guys said- it could have had a better message. Instead of enjoying what was a fun song I was shaking my head at the video and it made me a bit sad. To me it seems like they were making fun of rural life and being in that lifestyle at the moment while we are visiting my husband’s parents… it just took away the enjoyment of the video.

    4 years ago
  26. Psst, just FYI when you guys have the videos for G Dragon VS Crazy No(??) the GD video is actually T-ARA’s. Must have been sleepy and missed it. <3

    I like this format. :) The skits made me laugh and I had to re-wind to watch parts over again, cause I kept laughing over them. The 30sec opinion showdown was cute, and a good way to discuss together without overpowering the whole KMM — you could probably extend it to 45sec/1min or something; you guys seemed to be flailing a little to talk so fast, hehehe.

    4 years ago
  27. That’s one of the things about the kpop music industry… the [sometime ridiculously] big groups… Super Junior being perhaps the best example, though I love them, I always did wonder about the functionality of having such a large group.

    4 years ago
  28. Dal Shabet for the win!!

    4 years ago
  29. LOVE THIS! <3 Great job!

    4 years ago
  30. Hey,

    Great format. I enjoyed last weeks one too with just you two guys expressing your individual differing thoughts and opinions, but this hybrid one i think is pretty close to the perfect mix between that and the older ones.

    Great Job!!!

    Also sidenote: Just received my EYC Studio donation package in the mail. OPEN THE HAPPY indeed!!!!!

    4 years ago
  31. This hybrid KMM format is such an improvement over last week’s. I really like the timed opinion battle; I think it could actually be longer, maybe a minute instead of 30 seconds. And maybe you guys should alternate timed turns, like in chess, so that you don’t end up with one person accidentally taking over most of the talking time.

    Also: Another great blackboard, like the Man In Love one.

    However, I’ve gotta say that I like Why So Serious and dislike the T-ara N4 song. I actually had to mute the sound just to finish watching Jeon Won Diary’s MV, and I’ve never had to mute a T-ara song before. That said, Jeon Won Diary seemed to me to be better suited for a KMM than SHINee this time around.

    Even though you guys don’t like Why So Serious, I really recommend that you listen to the entire album, Misconceptions of Me, if you haven’t already. (I like WSS, but it’s not my favorite off the album; Orgel and Nightmare are my favorites.) I rarely ever like an entire kpop album, but this is one of the few that I do. I speak as someone who was never really that interested in SHINee before Dream Girl, so my positive opinion about their most recent two albums is completely unclouded by any fangirl bias.

    4 years ago
    • I prefer Misconceptions of You more but glad you’re starting to turn into a fan.
      Hmmm however I did dislike Why So Serious and I liked this song. Although I found the low quality sounding saxophone quite obnoxious especially in the second half of the song.
      And here’s where I was shamelessly going to promote my top songs of April video but my phone keeps posting it in the middle… -_-

      4 years ago
      • I also like the majority of Misconceptions of You. Misconceptions of Me has a darker sound, so for me I’ll listen to whichever album I feel like listening to more, depending on my mood. But if I simply go by the number of tracks that I like/love, then Misconceptions of Me comes out slightly ahead since there are two songs on MofYou that I find meh. There are also two songs on MofMe that I don’t like as much as the rest of the album, but I like those two songs more than the two that I don’t care for on MofYou, so that’s why MofMe comes out slightly ahead as an overall album for me. But then again, if I want a lighter sound, then I’m going to listen to Beautiful or Dream Girl or Dynamite, so I can foresee myself listening to both albums pretty much equally in the future.

        4 years ago
        • I liked Spoiler and Dynamite when they were new but I’ve started liking both more recently. Really my top SHINee songs vid I’m making has made me relisten to all my songs and I’ve kind of started liking some more and some less than I originally had them listed.

          4 years ago
  32. I really like this format – it works really well! I’m with you Martina – this song and video clip are below average… but the chorus is great! On the other hand I quite like the Shinee’s Why so Serious (not so much the video) but every time I say the title it turns into ‘Why so serious yeah sajin sok nega sungan misojieo wae… (I can never remember the tune if it’s not playing so it turns into Sherlock…)

    4 years ago
  33. This KMM felt like it had so much in it, but it was only a little less than 9 minutes! I am seriously impressed and entertained. :) Also, I am a HARD CORE AND I MEAN HARD CORE Shawol, but I am really glad that you didn’t do Why So Serious. It just wouldn’t be good KMM material. I LOVED this video. :)

    4 years ago
  34. Great MM guise!! I’m liking this format. and I totally agree.. I’m not a fan of SHINee’s new song. :/ I tried listening to it to see if it’d grow on me… nope. Can’t stand it. AND THEY ARE MY FAV GROUP. Ah well…

    also, loved the blackboard :)

    4 years ago
  35. Hey guys,I’m a little confused because I didn’t get the EXO joke on the board. Is it because they have so many members, or is there some nuance that I’m missing?

    4 years ago
  36. OMG, Exo line on the blackboard. SO FUNNY. I was laughing so hard I did not hear anything Simon said. I had to go back and watch it again.

    4 years ago
  37. I love this week’s KMM format. I agree with a lot of people with the debate. Bump it up to a minute mark. 30 seconds was a little too short.

    4 years ago
  38. I’ve never commented on here before (more of a silent viewer) but I have to say that even though I am a hardcore Shawol, Why So Serious was not their best but it does get catchy after a few more listens. I didn’t like the video, though, so I agree with you guys there lol but I was wondering if you guys have heard the rest of the album? Because ERMAGERD IT’S SO GOOD!
    Anyways, I totally love this new KMM format. It has structure and flow and has new things while still being the KMM we all know and love.
    As a side note, UKISS’s KMM is adorbs. <3 it'd be so cool to see more Kpop stars do stuff like that!

    4 years ago
  39. I normally love everything SHINee, but I’m super glad you guys didn’t review Why So Serious? because I’m in 100% agreement with you on!

    I also like the combination of the old and new format. Though, I kinda wanted the 30sec debate thing to be more than 30sec :P

    4 years ago
  40. Loved today KMM it’s a mix of the last one and the old format :)

    4 years ago
  41. just a thought guys, but it’d be so cool if you could also set up another camera filming the person behind the camera. EXTRA BLOOPER REEL!!! <3

    4 years ago
  42. I was so distracted by the upside down pointer in the chalkboard skit. Whenever Simon hits the end in his other hand he presses it with his thumb…lol. Anyway, I agree about Shinee’s Why So Serious. It sounded kind of random to me. Also thank you for the Ubeat Music Monday as well.

    4 years ago
  43. What twitter controversy?

    4 years ago
  44. Loved the format :)

    4 years ago
  45. I FREAKING LOVE THIS. What you guys did with this video was exactly what I was looking for in changes to KMMs.
    Also, thanks for not reviewing SHINee. I’m also a big fan of them but hated the song and video. There was just something missing from it that left me feeling empty afterwards. (And no, I’m not talking about Jonghyun :P)

    Lastly, I would say I side more with Martina about Jeon Won Diary. The video was hilarious but the song was just okay for me, I only really liked the chorus.

    4 years ago
  46. Simon….did you wear one of Martina’s skirts on your shoulders as a shawl?

    4 years ago
  47. Best KPMM in the last few months. Very proud of you guys. Thank you so much for all you do!

    4 years ago
  48. Great KMM. You did a great job guys, don’t be discouraged by all the haters, you are fantastic and we all love you. :)

    4 years ago
  49. T-ARA N4 fighting!!

    4 years ago
  50. I agree with you guys on the SHINee thing, it wasn’t up to par with my level of Shinee?? It was just i was so excited after dream girl they released another song and i’m like Ay YAH! But then i saw the video and dance and i was like…wait is that my SHINee doing thigs that either rookie groups or younger groups do…um where are my totally epic dancers who do epic dances…plus the whole jonghyun thing got me down as well…well anywho great Music Monday and i offer my full support to you guys experimenting with new formats(especially like the debate part, in my mind was the whole tekken vs image…)! Anywho again EYK Hwaiting!

    4 years ago
  51. I only have one small issue with the blog post – Miss A…

    They aren’t a good example of a small band who have disappeared. They released ‘Independent Woman’ which did fairly well (and Im pretty sure you guys reviewed it??) and Fei is currently doing that cooking show and dancing show isnt she? and is rising in popularity (tbh, until 2PM recently they were about the only JYP artist who havent dropped off the face of the planet…)

    But other than that – you raise some interesting points (and the vid was totally hilarious as usual – dont mind the experimenting with format at all btw – i think its good to keep things fresh and change every now and then)

    4 years ago
  52. After a long day of mind numbing work it was so AWESOME to come home and watch this hysterical Music Monday. Especially loved the 30 second battle and all the skits! Mad props guise! Also… Simon, I agree this is one of my top 5 songs of 2013.

    P.S. Nasties be warned! DO NO EAT OR DRINK WHILE WATCHING BLOOPERS… Almost choked when Martina mentioned “hulk fisting!”

    4 years ago
  53. WHOAH I have a complaint… SUPER BIG COMPLAINT ALERT.
    You don’t hold up and squish down competing music videos anymore ;___; I’m sad…
    YOU HAVE TO HOLD IT LIKE THIS GOSH → ¯(°_o)/¯

    But that’s like it, the new KMM format’s getting there! I like the direction its going and… Spudgy’s cute :D

    ps. don’t kill me LOLOLOL
    pps. but it’s a serious complaint though. idk why it bothered me so much ;___;

    4 years ago
  54. I love Jeon Won Diary cause it is so catchy and I even started to try their dance after watching it the first time even though i suck at it lol…just like simon’s list of t-ara songs. I have to agree that Roly Poly has to be my number 1 because it is what got me completely hooked onto T-ara in the first place. p-a-r-t-Y??? lol….the Y made me lol hard….i wonder what would happen if the pepper burned martina’s nose.

    4 years ago
  55. hey, could you ask Soozy the title of the show they were on? I really wanna know now!

    4 years ago
  56. I love the new format!!!! ^^

    4 years ago
  57. I like this format to KMM a lot! I say keep this format :D

    4 years ago
  58. tq for review t-ara…. when u talk abt super junior n military….yesterday yesung was enlist…. no KRY for 2 yrs….:(…my fav sj sub unit…..

    4 years ago
  59. have don’t have is a billion times better

    4 years ago
  60. I’m on Simon’s side on this one. I am LOVING T-ara N4’s Jeon Won Diary (and if you hate the video they even have another mv that is a lot more serious) and is one of those songs that I will be blasting through the year and probably the coming years. I love the accordion and the weird almost middle eastern instrument they’ve woven through the song.

    And seeing I have a love for progressive death metal and metal that likes to change up its style in a song I am loving the current trend where they are more “experimental” and weave in more changes in the music. The same beat is fun but I also really like it when they switch it on ya.

    So yeah I am liking this song more than a lot of songs so far. Sure we still got like 7 months of the year left. But this will more than likely end up in my top 10 of songs.

    And I must say the new setup is much more streamlined. Although the 30 seconds was a bit fast to discuss something. Plus I hate it when you have to stop in the middle of a discussion. But yeah format is getting much much better. Keeping the best of the old and the best of the new.

    And T-Ara N4 vs Dal*shabet, why must you torture me so! I love both videos! But seeing as T-Ara gets a boatload of views I will hand it to mah gurls of Dal*shabet for this time. More people need to watch them gosh darn it!

    4 years ago
  61. farm time Spudgy looks like he could be on “Fiddler on the Roof” :)

    4 years ago
  62. Completely agree with you here. I love why so serious, but I loved this KMM (even though I find t-ara’s video pretty terrible actually), and I’d probably have a hard time not feeling grumpy if simon&martina did a KMM of a shinee video they hated :P

    And yes, LOVE the Opinion Battle segment. At this point I could lose the English segment without shedding a tear, unless there’s something amazing(ly good or bad) about the english.

    4 years ago
  63. as a Shawol i was a bit sad you didn’t review SHINee but it’s okay since you both didn’t like the song and i wouldn’t really want to watch a video for this week which would make me feel depressed and you wouldn’t enjoy making!
    i did honestly think Martina would like this song though since it has that rock element, and because of that i thought Simon wouldn’t really like it!

    i just kind of did wish you could have revealed it earlier you really didn’t like the song at all, so i and other Shawols didn’t have to take our time voting and getting other Shawols to vote for it to be reviewed and getting really anticipated for this weeks music monday!

    anyway it’s great to know they’re your second favourite kpop group! definitely put a smile on my face!

    4 years ago
  64. I actually adored Why So Serious, the song. The video.. Was definitely lacking. While it was cute, and all, it wasn’t amazing. But the song, however, I love. As well as the rest of the album! Make sure to give those a listen too. They have some of their older feel back in it, as well as totally new feelings.

    I was kind of disappointed, seeing as how SHINee is my favourite group, but I’d rather you do a song you like, then watch you guys throw miserable comments at them.

    4 years ago
  65. thank you guys i really like it

    4 years ago
  66. I love love love this week’s KMM. props to uBEAT for making their own KMM, was waiting for them talking about maths ;)

    4 years ago
  67. I like the format of this better than last weeks but as a thought… not just having one 30-second argue-session but but maybe two or three (as many needed) during the video when y’all do reach points that you disagree on. It is much better than just saying “while I disagree with Martina” when y’all are taking turns talking.

    4 years ago
  68. I WANT TO MAKE SWEET, PG-RATED LOVE TO THIS KMM. Seriously, I think S&M are really starting to hit their stride and learn how to balance what the audience wants with what they are interested in providing.

    KMM, like Taemin to Taeman… is evolving. It is becoming nastier. /Ranchier/.

    4 years ago
  69. I agree with some of the other Shawols that have posted. I like the song WSS but the music video was just okay and even though Jonghyun is not my bias I really did miss him in the vocals and the dance. I’m glad you guise reviewed Taraniforusrex’s song cause this video was super funny. I loved the 30 second battle and your skits. Oh, and your chalk boards are always my favorite. Keep it up!

    4 years ago
  70. i hate it when you ignore first place

    4 years ago
  71. liked this new format of kmm better :D

    4 years ago
  72. Omo this KMM was faultless! I love the new KMM Style. 잘했어요!

    4 years ago
  73. what is your number 1 favorite group? just curious

    4 years ago
  74. Never have I ever seen a skirt look anymore fabulous doubling as a shawl/frock thing than it did on Simon’s Farm-Girl-Hater alter ego…simply FIERCE!

    In other observations: I CONTINUE to L-O-V-E KMMs….that is all!

    4 years ago
  75. such an awesome KMM!!! thank you, guys! this made my day :D

    4 years ago
  76. I thought today’s KMM was a great blend of the old format and the new more relaxed and less structured format. Good job guys! 3 Stages of Taemin I almost died laughing ^____^

    4 years ago
  77. I totally agree with the sub-unit thing. In some cases, I think it’s a good move and really enjoyable, but then most of the time I just think it makes the company look bad, like they’re purposefully excluding the less talented/attractive/skilled/etc members to make more money.

    But… well I guess most kpop groups have songs on their albums that only have a few members singing.. That’s nothing new. There’ll be solos and duets, or songs where only 4/7 members sing. It’s just that now, their companies are letting them actually perform these songs live. And then they probably HAVE to put them under a new sub-unit name, so that rabid fans aren’t all “OMG HOW CAN YOU CALL THIS X-GROUP-NAME WHEN NOT ALL OF THEM ARE ON STAGE, TOTES NOT FAIR”.

    :O OMG I GET IT NOW. I UNDERSTAND. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.

    4 years ago
  78. Honestly… I have to agree with the fact that musically, I feel like 5 is the max for the amount of members in a group… and 4 is kinda ideal. Otherwise each person’s line in a song is less than a minute, and there’s no room vocally to grow and really show their skillz. And even though there’s groups with 7 members or more that I honestly and absolutely love, when it comes down to the music, only 4ish carry most of the songs… UNLESS you break down to these sub-units where maybe other members can shine.

    I really feel like large groups are meant for promoting them with the chance that at least 1/2 will be popular enough for some major profit and promote the group as a whole… but not necessarily though music and variety instead. Even though I really love these groups as a whole and as individuals (mainly through variety shows…) only a few stick out to me as real musical artists and/or dancers.

    4 years ago
  79. As far as the sub-band thing, I understand what you mean from a money stand point as far as less members means bigger cuts all the way around. But at the same time I think that there are more positives than negatives. For example, Super Junior. They have a lot of members, but then they have Super Junior M, they don’t have to put any resources into training new singers, and can reach a broader fanbase. Plus some people might buy their albums just because their bias it in the group. Also, as you said it enables a group to remain active if one or two members have to leave. Think about Big Bang, they are one of the smaller groups, and since it is all guys they will all have to go into the military at some point. Since they are all very close in age, they would all be going into the military one right after the other, so that would mean what.. around 5 years without Big Bang? (I think… sorry, my math sucks.)That would be HUGE chunk of money out of YGs pocket. And granted some of them will be able to work on their solo careers while the others are away, but like I said, they are very close in age, so their absences will be overlapping.

    So I actually think companies make MORE money off of the larger groups in the long run. Plus the sub-groups probably allow members the freedom to sometimes work on the stuff they are interested in, and have more creative freedom than they might otherwise. Which could decrease burnout.

    Either way, I doubt many fans would be upset by TOO much of the musicians that they love so much.

    4 years ago
  80. 1) My vote goes to Dal Shabet.
    2) I really liked this format for KMM- this review was really fun. It doesn’t generally matter to me who you review because I’m not really a huge fan of any single group- though I do have a fondness for Big Bang and UKiss.

    4 years ago
  81. Spudgy was cuter than usual this KMM…. SO ADORABLE< GAH!

    4 years ago
  82. well done, guys!
    i wasn’t sure about the new format last week, but i really liked it this time.
    you’re working out the kinks and making it a bit more comfortable, so well done!! <3

    4 years ago
  83. Awwyea, I really like this version! I like segments a lot and it’s definitely better than just talking like you did last time, because it felt like live chat and yeah, not so interesting! :D Thank you so much though, and I agree with Martina about this song~! Reminged me Russia’s 2012 eurovision song a lot, pleaaase just check it out if you want to laugh. XD

    4 years ago
  84. LOOOOOOOOOOVE

    4 years ago
  85. Great KMM!!! Thanks!

    I liked the part where we see two interpretations/opinions of the video…

    For the debate I was thinking you shouldn’t use total time, rather do something like Fashion Police were each side gets a fixed time to defend their position… and then: boomshakalaka each other!

    4 years ago
  86. I had to pause the video again and read the chalk board! LMAO off at “if EXO has fallen down a hole, how long will it take for SMent to help them out?” and the Bubble Pop equations.

    So my thoughts on the improved/older/new format.

    What I liked

    1.) It has the structure back with is a big improvement. The structure and segmentation makes the review seem to go faster and also holds my attention better.

    2.) I love how one of you butts into frame to disagree. I think its really cute.

    What I didn’t like so much/think could be changed or improved
    1.) I would have liked more interaction between you two. I don’t think the 30 second duke it out in the ring was long enough. The one thing I really liked about the last KMM was that it was all interaction between you two (it just needed some structure). I felt that this didn’t have enough.

    2.) I’m one of those people who like less skits than others. I think that the skits should be there to enhance the review and not be the majority of the review. I think this had one too many skits for me (or maybe one of them was too long?). I’m going to assume that you were super inspired by the video, though.

    I think this was a big improvement and I can see that you are trying to blend the different formats. I think as you fiddle with the format you will find things that you really like and that the rest of us are ok with too.

    Also, I see Lee Hyori on the laptop! She looks fabulous!

    4 years ago
  87. Okay this is gonna be long (sorry about that, i hope you still read it^^)

    Honestly you don’t really understand the point of a sub unit still, and i can’t really blame you since you’re not enough into Super Junior (khm weirdest kpop music videos… Rokuko… Cooking Cooking…)

    SO

    KRY – best singers, so different audience which they can reach, they probs won’t be able to reach the ones who want to listen to really good harmonized ballads, so make a sub unit with the 3 best singers (bass, baritone, tenor… wow unique in kpop… but again everyone ignores it…)

    T – bring back the Korean Trot music, make youngers like it, different audience again. perfect choose the 6th oldest members (no Hangeng because Chinese in Korean Trot? no) okay they all can act like crazy ajusshis… perfect (plus need to have Heechul back, half year after car accident, have to let everyone know he is still alive)

    M – Chinese audence, okay add to extra Chinese, we have an original Chinese okay… from the rest… the ones who were not in T let’s use those…. the youngers can learn languages even easier

    Happy – we have a bunch of members left here in Kore while the others are in China…. oh make a random sub unit with them… since Heechul is acting let’s use Yesung and his voice

    SO the point is either different genre or audience or just other busy members and there was no comeback for a year already…

    the PROBLEM here is… now every single company tries to pull this thing when they have like what 6 members… you make a sub unit of that… ???????? no if you don’t have 8+ it’s just plain stupid

    NOW there is no reason behind making these sub units

    Name? Because they are still part of the group…. they NEED to keep the original name somehow (uBeat… there is that ‘U’ etc.)
    This is where Pledis **** it up… NOBODY knows those 3 girls are from AS if they are not playgirlz/playboyz

    And just to inform everyone a Sub unit NEVER made more money than the whole group… so NO it wouldn’t worth to just leave the rest…. no…

    just because you only look at the music… but seriously we all know that the companies get the money from fangirls… so just because the general public likes the song just as much as the other… it doesn’t matter, if not all of them are there than it won’t earn well

    Plus just to make less than 5 member groups is stupid…. the dance will be a crap…. there are no formats…. hard… always have to use back up dancers… always…
    look how do they strugle in most of the 4 member groups… they can stand in a line… because if they stand in a square someone will be covered then okay just stepp one to right the back one to the left… seriously it makes things so hard… with 5 you can already play do circles and a lot of other things… more members easier to make the dance look good.
    So NO the trend never be to make 4 member groups… except if they like to pay a lot for all those back up dancers…

    So the whole point is… that it’s a trend to make sub units…….. and it’s not good because people like you Simon and Martina will get this oppinion what you just got…
    The original idea was good… TTS also worked… and of course they wait with a new sub unit… SM has enough problems with the tours… they don’t need to create now even more… they first want to finish the SHINee comeback… just look at how tight the SM schedule is… everyone does something important in a month… they don’t have time to make AN other snsd sub unit… mabe next year…

    please ignore the typos

    4 years ago
    • agree abt sj… n SM hv mny other group for cb….fx, sj, tvxq,boa, a very2 long waiting exo cb, hvnt release new song yet….so, sub units should be their 2nd priority…(mayb SM busy doing 49 vid teasers vid for exo…)

      4 years ago
  88. who is your first fave group if shinee is second?

    4 years ago
  89. I actually liked last week’s KMM because it was more like a discussion, like your TL;DR videos are. But I think this is better, sticking with the original style and having like…interjections every once in a while. The 30-second debate was great too, I’d like to see that again.
    I still don’t really like the song, with the exception of the chorus, (I feel like it’s missing some sort of climax) but I watched the video when you guys included it on your update so I was hoping you’d talk about this one. I was actually completely lost on the plot, so I’m glad you guys explained (and improved!) it. Not a SHINee fan (not for the past few years, anyway) so I don’t have any complaints about Why So Serious? not being chosen. I expected a (real) uBEAT KMM after watching the fake one, but I’m kind of glad you didn’t do a real one.
    Anyway… I feel like T-ara will probably win this one but personally I think Have, Don’t Have was funnier.

    4 years ago
  90. I like this new KMM style!! ^^ hmmmmm…I agree with Martina in the showdown…Sorry Simon…. ^^” I also really like the many skits you put into here and how either Martina or Simon chimes in whenever they had an idea that they wanted to say :)
    Great Job Guise!! Thank You! :D
    FIGHTING!!~~~

    4 years ago
  91. I actually agree with Simon on this one. I might be bias because I love T-ara and N4 is comprised of my 3 favorite T-ara girls, but I can’t help but love this song, and both videos were good in their own respect. (For some reason I laughed so hard at Jiyeon’s ‘neona jalhaseyo’ in the drama ver.)

    4 years ago
  92. Simon, your sleeve tattoo is too similar to the color of your blue screen, so your arm was a bit transparent at those parts!

    4 years ago
  93. I love the new format!!
    Also Taemaximum? That killed me! XD

    4 years ago
  94. The more of these videos I watch, the longer my list gets.
    ‘Daryl’s list of women that should prepare themselves for a GOOOD TIME when he eventually makes it to Korea.’

    Jiyeon, I’m lookinatchu. Especially if you wear those glasses.
    So nasty.

    4 years ago
  95. This format of KMM was great, but I wish there were more moments of you two talking together. But it was still really good!

    Also, I totally dig the chorus of this song. I’m so glad great, new songs are coming out. I’ve over-listened to so many songs it’s hard..

    4 years ago
  96. as much as i totally was on Simon’s side last week about GD’s song and mv, this week i’m completely on Martina’s side about this song. So i’m glad you decided to keep that little confrontation of opinion on the song and mv ! :)

    my vote goes for Dal Shabet’s Have don’t have.
    (*psst* i didn’t like much Shinee’s Why so serious neither…)

    4 years ago
  97. Woah I love the “improved” format!
    The hybrid of the old (was it ‘en hommage’? =D) and the new one from last week works really well on me x)
    And, to contribute to the topic of KMM! I definetly liked Martinas video version better – her moral was something I could absolutely agree with. While Taranafour’s attempt really grossed me out with its superficiality, that “We are awesometacular farmers and STILL kick your asses, city gurlz!” story was just perfect <3 Drama-Material! ;D

    As I have stated before, I actually started watching you guise for the tl;dr's, but thanks to you I got caught up in that colorfull, wild chaotic pit called K-Pop ;__;b
    But as Littlefinger stated – chaos isn't a pit, it's a ladder.. so many steps left to climb, so many songs to explore..
    Thank you for broadening my horizont!

    4 years ago
  98. I am so glad I’m not the only one who didn’t like SHINee’s video. I tried to like it and the first part was ok… but then the chorus happened and it completely switched me off. *pouts* Shinee you’re better than that!

    I have to agree with Martina with this song too. The chorus was fun but I didn’t really care for much of the rest of it.

    I do like the conflicting viewpoints part of this setup, certainly helps highlight the good and bad parts of the video. I wish it was a bit longer and not quite so rushed though.

    Thanks so much for another awesome KMM!

    4 years ago
    • Seriously, I was jamming to SHINee’s song and was like “ok this is better than I thought” and then the chorus of “WHY SO SERIOUS?” came on and it was like a complete record scratch for me. That like and the other one that is in the same style just ruined the song for me. If it wasn’t for that, I would love the song.

      4 years ago
  99. dsd

    Also S&M, what did you think about the SHINee album overall? did u like the other songs?! :D

    4 years ago
  100. Also, Simone is so beautiful. We Nasties don’t see her enough!

    4 years ago
  101. Wow two great KMM in one day!! Thought you guys were in rare form today…your analysis of the Tara N 4 video spot on! Your choice of this video over Shinee though? WTF a minor release from a sub group over a major release from Shinee. Went back and listened to each song, I thought Shinee was much stronger and fun. Did not like either video though, well just my opinion for what it is worth. You guys always got my respect..even if I disagree! LOL

    4 years ago
  102. You produce T-araN4 as : T-ara-N-4. Which is T-ara New 4. So happy you guise reviewed this amazing song.

    4 years ago
    • I’m sure they understand how it is pronounced but they wouldn’t be EYK if they did it right. We’d be forever without Bilaasa, Batuba, Batoost and MaBlacks, and that would make me sad.

      4 years ago
  103. Vea

    Oh, i really liked the “30 sec of disagreement” in the video! so funny!! And I am totally with you that it would be enough with 3-4 members in a group. I usually doesn’t like big groups because I find it harder to get the individuals personality, charisma and (especially) voices. Sure it is easier to find someone to like in every group if they are so many but I think it is better to have smaller group that are different instead. But somehow Asia like those big groups, just look att AKB48 ;)

    Hope you will succeed in finding the right way to make the KMM and thank you for the hard work. Already looking forward to your next video ^____^

    4 years ago
  104. I hope you guys have at least listened to samples of the entirety of the latest SHINee album on iTunes. I really think Why So Serious, despite being the title track, wasn’t too strong. I LOVED all of the other songs, esp. “Like A Fire”, “Excuse Me Miss”, and Jonghyun’s “Orgel”. Give the whole thing a listen please :).
    On another note, I really liked this T-ara song and the format of this Music Monday. Good balance of skits and dialogue. Thanks for listening to the Nasties’ input.

    4 years ago
  105. First… I. LOVE. THIS. FORMAT. A lot. A lot a lot.

    Second… I don’t know, I seem to be disagreeing with you guys a lot on the songs themselves. I blame the fact that I’m a classical musician and never listened to any pop music whatsoever (no, not even American pop music [I hate American pop music >..>

    I will not put who you liked who I disliked, because if I do, I might get murdered. O.O

    But it’s alright. The awesomeness of music is subjective anyhow.

    As for the number of people in a Kpop group, I guess three or four is good. Although I don’t know. Yes, fewer people in a Kpop group does equal richer members, but that also means that they have to be okay with each other. If they’re not okay with each other, they’ll soon split up. Take the duet in Full House Take 2. They HATED each other, and the only reason they stayed together was because of their contract with the entertainment company. But the fact that they hated each other meant more work for the manager, more work for the head of the entertainment company, etc. etc.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that having a big Kpop group and having a small Kpop group both have pros and cons.

    And I don’t know what I think about sub-units. The only sub-unit I ever liked was GD&TOP. So… yeah…

    4 years ago
  106. I was thoroughly surprised when I didn’t see SHINee, but really thrilled you guys picked T-Ara N4! I loved this song and video, it makes me want to run in the streets and do the dance. It’s a fun song and I’m pleased with it. ^^*

    4 years ago
  107. You are both so talented! It’s always fun and interesting to watch your videos guys! great job!

    4 years ago
  108. I love this video, really. It’s just so… Fun! And the song is unorganized so a little… strange maybe. I get lost in it and can’t tell if it’s the end, or the middle or just the begining. So strange. I a hate the pause. I just hate when the song stops and you should watch something else that maybe is relevant to the MV but what I’m thinking is “Get back to the damn song or I’ll forget it soon!”. Yeah…

    And the opinions is such a strange things really. I just love WSS. Love it so much, I got exausted just gushing over how great the song is. So good, even better than Dream girl and I loved Dream girl (more than Sherlock XD). And then you mentioned Ring Ding Dong – this is a song I really can’t listen to. It’s my ring tone of course, but as a song it’s just nosy. My point is: There’s really different tastes and giving how I pretty much agree with your opinions most of the times, this is a huge difference now :). But oh well, as I have said before – it’s better to listen to something you wanna talk about because the negative Shinee video will make me dissapointed and not really tolerant, I think ^^^

    I vote for T-ara on the poll. Dal shabet was fun, but T-ara is just so freakin’ hilarious.

    PS: By the way, for the amounts of members in one group. I think it’s kinda safer to go with more members because this way: 1) There’s not really need all of the members to be talented. If you look at Super junior and Shinee for example – Super junior has three reeealy good vocals and two good dancers and it works really well; Shinee was to be all round perfect to work because if one is not good or is not given enough space it shows immediately;

    2) If there’s more members in one groups the chance that people will find one to be their diarest idol thus will buy all the albums and stuff is much more big.
    I personally don’t like bigger groups, five is more than enough for me. Otherwise it seems like a football team or something.

    4 years ago
  109. How do I vote for T-ara for the showdown? Sorry I’m new to KMM and I couldn’t find the Facebook poll. Does commenting right here work?

    4 years ago
  110. love! great KMM! i, too, am not impressed with WSS. it makes me wanna listen to Crayon, like i need to correct their use of the term. that’s not saying anyone in Shinee did poorly with the song, but it’s just not my fave shinee song, and likely never will be. but that being said this is definitely a fave for t-ara songs.

    this format is definitely different from last weeks, better, and it felt a lot more enjoyable. but i would have liked to have heard if Simon had more to say on his argument. could you both maybe have 30 seconds each? like if you both had a timer and you could pause it to allow the other to speak after you’ve made a point. it would stretch the segment to a whole a minute (ish) and give more room for debate. but i do love love love how you both exemplified shutting up to hear what the other has to say.

    also i love when y’all jump into the frame to express yourself. i’d describe why but my brain needs to go do my homework. Jya!

    4 years ago
  111. Great KMM this week guys – i laughed my ass off!

    4 years ago
  112. the dundundun got annoying after a while. I happened to experienced a bad situation where I thought it was already released and so youtubed it, clicked on the one that I thought was the song but it was just on the dundundun repeat. I was thinking WHAT IS THIS?! ARE THEY.. ARE THEY FOR REAL? SERIOUSLY!? Then i realised after a while that, the user just made the video of the 30 second teaser on repeat. I made a fool of myself.

    4 years ago
  113. Like the format – the structure of the old format, but with new stuffs! Interesting and funny. Plus I like Spudgy’s songs in the last few KMMs. :D

    4 years ago
  114. format was much much better then last week. loved the chalk board

    4 years ago
  115. OMG!!!!!!!! This TOTALLY TOTALLY TOTALLY makes up for any shortcomings from last week’s KMM (ooh, plus bonus U-kiss KMM – mrwow!)

    I don’t have time for my full opinion – too much greatness but my top 3 awesomes:
    1) Teacher Simon – I just kept wanting to grab the handle on backscratcher every time you pointed it at the camera, like a kitty – soooooo distracting! LOL!
    2) Martina – oh my goodness – my nose is on fire just looking at that pepper!
    3) did Simon say “P-I-T-Y?” ? LMFAO!

    Cyber_3 – trying not to drown in the initial deluge of praise comments……….

    4 years ago
  116. EYK, I just want to say this was a truly epic Music Monday. From the revised format, to the skits, the awesome in-jokes on the chalk board, and the neat way the dialogue was broken up — it just hit it out of the park for me on the entertainment front & felt like you rediscovered what you liked doing about KMM. Hope you guys felt the same way, too.

    4 years ago
  117. Waah,this KMM is awesome!
    The skits were super funny and it’s cool that you two can interact more in it now^^
    And omg the blackboard xD You should have it every KMM with different questions so we Nasties can solve it!

    *whispers* I also don’t like SHINee’s new song…
    *Runs away*

    4 years ago
  118. omg yeah.

    4 years ago
  119. I like this format better, maybe a little more time on the discussion part. THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING A GIRL GROUP!!! Now that all these guy groups are having comebacks we need some GIRL POWER!!!!

    On T-ara N4’s video: I took the message more as “Even if you aren’t good at things you are doing now, there is something you are good at out there and you’ll find it!” *cheesy fist pump into the air* But I can see where you are coming from. The guy chopping the wood and the girls being scared defiantly had a bad message. Also the video reminded me a bit of Family Outing, with famous people being in the country side and failing.

    4 years ago
  120. LEE HYORI IS BACK!!!!!!!!

    Aaanywayy, guys this was one of the best KMM EVAAARRRRR!!!! I’m sooo happy there were more skits and I loved the 30-second debate (could have been longer- maybe 1 minute long or so but it was still a great idea) And lolololol, the TaeMAXIMUM skit-thing WAS EPIC!!!!!! :D Great stuff guys, really!

    I also didn’t like Why So Serious? but it doesn’t matter because Dream Girl was so incredible that I still listen to it crazy~

    EDIT: I love CRAZYNO too. It was cool seeing him go head-to-head with GD last week :D

    4 years ago
  121. But… Why So Serious is a song about ZOMBIES! <.w<

    4 years ago
  122. This new version of music monday is pure awesomeness!! Not that it was anything other then awesome before, but now its awesomER! :DD Really liked the chalk board XD I wanna know the 3rd transformation form of taemin too :D

    4 years ago
  123. I agree with you when it comes to Why So Serious…
    I’ve been a Shawol for 3 years now, and this is the first time I feel disappionted..

    Im starting to like the song more and more, but in the beginning I felt kinda disappointed and I didn’t like the song or video at all..

    The song itself is really giving everyone a chance to show their voices (Omg Taemin, when did your singing become so freaking awesome?), and I love the song for that. But, the beat in the song feels boring, and it feels like mix of several songs with all the changing. It can be good, but only to a certain point..

    In the new album they have so many, much better, songs.. So I wonder why they choose Why So Serious and not Nightmare, Evil or Like A Fire, or Orgel (Omg that song feels so creepy and nightmarish but in a super awesome good way D:)

    And once again SM sticks to their rooms and boxes…

    4 years ago
  124. Great KMM, guys! ^^ I was really happy to see that you used the old structured format but still managed to get both in the shot and talk to each other – the disagreement battle is an awesome solution!
    And thanks for the funny skits and little details on the blackboard again. This kind of KMM always makes my Monday :)

    4 years ago
  125. I think the Music Monday format should be kept exactly like this. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

    4 years ago
  126. Was it just me or did anybody notice the dancing bunny in the music video?

    4 years ago
  127. This KMM is great! *Thumbs up* And Dalshabet wins for sure! I have that song as my ringtone, it always freaks everyone around me out. Ah, Norwegians, sometimes I do wonder if we used to be vikings. But then again I can imagine a viking not digging k-pop… *Hrm* Anyway! Nice review guys!

    4 years ago
  128. I think now you’re walking the right way about the format…I think also Michi-go should have been reviewed like this! Anyway, you had to try to find out the right path…go for it guys! ^_^

    4 years ago
  129. FAIL on the showdown part xD You showed T-ara instead of GD ^^

    4 years ago
  130. Taemaximum :D
    I didn’t like the song : but I liked the review. Also, I am a SHINee fan, but video was so so. Jonghyun wasn’t there, also chorus was … It was nothing like RDD, Lucifer….I liked dance only.
    If there were only talented artists in group it would be cool, but of course, some are talented in acting, some have gorgeous faces, some have good vocals and etc. Big Bang, SHINee has 5 members, so it’s totally okay with me. Suju maybe has too many, it was difficult for me to remember their names D:
    I vote for DalShabet

    4 years ago
    • Yay, I’m not the only one who thinks that about SuJu! (Seriously. I still haven’t managed to memorize all their names yet. @_@)

      4 years ago
  131. FAIL on the show dwon part xD Yoy showed T-ara instead of GD ^^

    4 years ago
  132. Martina, thank you for pointing out their crappy farming skills – they’re no better than 10 year old (I speak from experience – the wheelbarrow fell over on me though because it was full with ration feed and I was trying to force it over a step). Your skit about a positive female image was really great as well.

    I also like the fusion of formats – I really enjoyed the 30 second face off

    I also adore the drawing on the black board – if EXO fell into a whole how long until SM helps them out, rofl!

    4 years ago
  133. Also companies have SOO many trainees that needs to be debuted soon

    4 years ago
  134. In the showdown part, for the winner of last KPOP MM you Put T-ara MV !!!! :| :)
    this version of KPOPMM is good :)
    Love you guys :)
    Fighting

    4 years ago
  135. Martine, your T-shirt is A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!!

    And I really prefer that version of KMM over the last you did for MichiGO. More dynamic, love it!

    4 years ago
  136. Loved this version of KMM. It was so freaking fantastic. You guys have so much energy and it just was incredibly fun to watch. Thank you! :D

    Also, I absolutely love the questions you guise write on the blackboard. I’ve noticed those the past few times you’ve had the blackboard in the videos and they crack me up every time.

    4 years ago
  137. I wasn’t a fan of “Why So Serious” either, so I’m kind of glad you guys didn’t review it. Hope you don’t get too much hate from disappointed Shawols.
    Regarding T-ara N4’s inability to do farm work: My interpretation was that rather than judging someone by what they’re not good at (in this case farming), you should judge based on what they ARE good at (in this case, dancing). So the message wasn’t, “Yeah we can’t do this hard labor stuff but hey, at least we know how to look sexy!” so much as “Sure, we can’t do some things, but instead of complaining about it, we’re going to concentrate on what we can do and what we enjoy doing.” They definitely went a bit over the top with the farm scenes, though. Wheelbarrows do not tip over that easily.

    4 years ago
    • “Sure, we can’t do some things, but instead of complaining about it, we’re going to concentrate on what we can do and what we enjoy doing.” Ah I never thought of it that way. That’s a really nice outlook ^^ And yea.. the producer could’ve lessen the farm work exaggeration lol

      4 years ago
  138. TaeMAXIMUM! Can’t wait to see that final Taemin stage XD

    And I almost died laughing about Hulk Fisting, oh god I’m laughing again. Must stop!

    I really like this tweeked version of MM. I say give the debate 45 seconds.

    4 years ago
  139. Wohoooow! Kudos to Martina for wearing grandma’s yazma! I gotta show her this weeks KMM! XD
    Great job, guise! Seriously, your version of “farm girls” was a lot better AND true! (^-^)/ YAAAY!

    4 years ago
  140. I like this format! Good job!

    4 years ago
  141. JJ

    I don’t think they pay attention to the groups except for musically. With all that they do, they probably don’t have time to pay attention to all that.

    4 years ago
    • True that, but then it’s not fair for them to say they “fell off the face of the earth.” It hasn’t been THAT long since their comeback as a group.

      Anyways, awesome KMM Simon & Martina! I really like this format, it’s a lot more fun to watch. Also I don’t think you guys should feel forced to do skits if you don’t want to.

      4 years ago
  142. Was I the only one missed all of simon’s speech in front of the chalkboard because I was reading the Exo math problem?

    4 years ago
  143. it’s EXO. not EX-O :D I am a huge fan. the biggest EXO fangirl you’ll ever meet so believe me. it’s EXO :D
    and the dash is only if you separate. EXO-M or EXO-K. together they are EXO. and P.S. guys!!! I am a huge fan of yours. I love your vid and I’ve been watching you for YEARS! I even… stalked your studio in hongdae for like… 5 minutes but then my drunken friends pulled me into cocoon. :D you are awesome. EXO EXO EXO EXO EXO EXO

    4 years ago
  144. …usually our opinions are somewhat similar on some points, but I have to say it : I LOVED SHINee’s song ;) specially since the whole concept seems more personal and meaningful XD

    4 years ago
  145. It’s very weird. I totally love Why So Serious, like really love it. I’m surrpised that many people don’t like it and that it charts bad :(
    Well, everyone has their own taste in music right? For example I don’t really like SHINee’s juliette, even though that wa sone of their most popular songs ever. I hope SHINee will still give their ebst! :P
    Sidenote: TaeMAXIMUM?! xD
    then what would be the 4th stage? xD

    4 years ago
    • The Why So Serious TRACK with Jonghyun’s voice was really good because it had better flow than the MV version, which honestly didn’t go over too well with Taemin, in my opinion. He couldn’t get the song to flow as well as Jonghyun would have. Also, the MV was uninteresting, so imagine how hard all of those things would make it for S&M to explain…

      BUT the full album was, in my opinion, as a whole VERY GOOD. I like the more rock/contemporary sound they’re taking for this album.

      4 years ago
      • i do agree on the flow of it. It sounds complete with Jonghyun’s voice and better because of his mooth voice. Though i have to say taemin really grew so much with his voice. And uninteresting, well, shinee is after all a SM group, they’re boxed Mv’s , but i really do respect S&M decision. Would kinda make me feel miserable and them too if they talked about things they don’t like. And I’m a T-ara fan too, so i was happy :P though just slightly disappointed that they ddin’t really liked wss, which I thought they would have loved
        And yes, the album is amazing! :D
        mee too. I’m not really a person who lsitend to rock, but i do like it depending on the song ^^ and wss defintely took a spot in my heart ^_^
        as always, I can defintely rely on SHINee, because they’re just that great :D

        4 years ago
    • I’m Not a fan of Why So Serious? nor a Shinee bias. (I adore Lucifer and Ring Ding Dong…..okay and Dream Girl)
      But don’t worry the digital SINGLE downloads of just the song WSS may not be going brilliantly

      HOWEVER Male Groups (esp SM ENT ones to be honest)
      rely a lot more on Physical Full Album sales than just singles.

      Take Sexy Free & Single from SuJu last year.
      Single charted 5 and 15 respectively on Gaon and Billboard
      BUT SFS the album was purchased more than any other album in korea last year. (if you don’t count BigBangs repackage as the same album….whatever Suju sold heaps)

      Why so Serious has topped album charts now for straight weeks so don’t you worry about your boys
      They are still popular as ever.
      And its probably a great compliment that people want to hear ALL of their songs and not just one.

      I won’t be buying it. But apparently a lot of people in Korea are!
      Hope that make you happier!! :)

      4 years ago
      • hehe, yes i red news that they charted well with their physical album sales ^^
        that people hate the song, not dislike, but HATE :(
        since i love it and it’s something shinee wanted to try and do themselves

        4 years ago
        • yes shinee had amazing songs, and personally i think WSS belongs to them, but of course people can have their own opinions. But there really are fans out tehre that say they hate it, which kinda hurts me

          4 years ago
    • Oh did it not do well in the charts? I’ve not really loved anything Shinee’s done this year – Sherlock was epic though, great k-pop music in my opinion!

      4 years ago
      • dunno. Someone that commented on this video earlier than me aid it. And i have not seen then on the korean charts yet, at least they’re not in intiz chart rankings, just saw it.

        I only know they got 1# for world album billboard?right?

        I didn’t love dream girl, but i don’t hate it. It’s kinda the same feeling as juleitte, mentioned as above, i don’t love it, but i can listen to it.

        But I am really impressed with Why So Serious, it’s on a different level from music. But maybe because it’s rock, people are not really accepting…But SHINee’s

        y band in kpop, so i’m sure after some time wss will be one of their popular songs, they just need to take the first step imo.
        And Sherlock was inded epic! the strength i saw in that song xD
        It’s a hybrid song, one of the first i think in recent years?
        At first i did not like sherlock but i slowly fell in love with it and now i like it though i still love their RDD and lucifer era, but that was kinda the golden years for them io think.
        But sHINee keeps shining for always :P

        4 years ago
  146. I like this format. :)

    4 years ago
  147. I really loved the format of this weeks music monday. I liked how you kept structure, but still fit the some side by side shots of you guys together and turning the bantering of opinions about the song into almost like a little skit where it couldn’t get too drawn out. I think that would be a good thing to keep doing or something similar to that in future music mondays as well. I like that you guys are trying to mix things up a little to revamp KMM.

    Also, one of my favorite parts… TaeMAXIMUM. xD

    4 years ago
  148. That was a awesome KMM. It was a bit different than usual, but it didn’t lose us either, the timer for the debate was a great idea, you made a super good use of the green (blue? green?) screen, I seriously believed I was in the deep countryside (wait… I am in the deep countryside), and the mentions of the other videos at the beginning were nice too… Great job for this second KMM of the night. You deserve some sleep now. Go to bed naw!

    Oh, and sorry teacher Simon, I didn’t listen to a word of what you were saying, I was busy solving the EXO equation. Hard one…

    4 years ago
  149. Simon, you’re right! ♥ It’s not the best song of them, but it’s soooooooooooo fun and maybe it will become the best song of the year. And if not of this year.. then out of May. I’m looking forward. Roly-Polying away….! ♥ *awkward*

    4 years ago
  150. hahaha Taemaximum!!!
    that chalkboard is awesome!!!

    4 years ago
  151. You should post a picture of yourself laying beside a river in 3 days. Not being dead, just looking like it :P

    4 years ago
  152. same here about the format… i think the 30 sec S vs M was great… although i myself am unorganized i must say that having structured segments allows for more enjoyment :)

    4 years ago
  153. I was hoping you’d focus more on the lyrics, which are pretty spunky, but apart from that I am tremendously pleased with this KMM and its updated, yet familiar format. You’ve achieved everything that’s mentioned in the blog post and I dig it very much.

    Also: Hulk fisting. <3

    4 years ago
  154. I really like this new format! It looks great!

    I LOVE this song! Just listening to it again, I want to start dancing. I think it’s great! I think it’s fabulous that begged the older couple from the show to feature in the MV – I think it’s in part to appeal to a Korean audience who is familiar with it. I think it’s also not so much about farming as it is about escaping to a place of seclusion (which is a common theme in K-drama) to figure things out – sort of like a self -reflection time. And this allows them to make a bigger, stronger comeback and tell the haters to just stop. I also really loved that SPEED got some love in the song.

    4 years ago
  155. Awesome KMM guys, like seriously. While i loved the shift in your style last week, I like how you combined the old and new. I absolutely 100% love it that you guys are trying to open up a discussion between yourselves, on camera, so we can see opposing viewpoints on the songs and videos.

    Also, the mini ninja debate on the song was pure gold. I definitely LOLed. And the abundance of skits in this KMM made up for last week.

    As for the song and video, I’m kind of a mix of emotions. I’ve never really been a fan of T-ara. I don’t love em or hate em, I’m just indifferent, I guess. Their style(s) have never really caught my attention. This song, however, really grew on me.

    I’ll admit, I couldn’t make it through their music video. I was too disgusted by the whole “Oh em geeee, farming is haaaaard guise” attitude. I can handle a little aegyo, but not when it makes the person seem dumb or incompetent. Acting dumb is not cute, ladies. Thank you for totally ripping into that aspect of the mv.

    The dance version of the mv is totally awesome though. They kill that choreography. The song is great overall though. I’ll probably add it to my ipod even, making it like, the second T-ara song I will have in my collection.

    As always, great job guys. Keep up the hard work.

    4 years ago
  156. Simon and Martina! please unblock me on youtube….I can even subscribe to your channel anymore… You guys said that were going to unblock me and you still haven’t done it.

    4 years ago
    • What’s your youtube account username? Why were you blocked? Will you stop doing…whatever it was that got you blocked?

      S&M rarely read the kpop chart comments, but if you compile a short message, I’ll try emailing it to them. I can unblock people on the site, but not on youtube. ^^b

      4 years ago
  157. I’m glad to see you’re still searching for a new format for KMM! Somehow I get the feeling that this week’s version suits you way better than what you guise did last week. I understand that it might take some time for you to feel comfortable doing KMM in a new format but I’m sure you guys will pull it off. You’re definitely on the right track. Now all you can hope for is that all those loyal nasties who got accustomed to your old format will get accustomed to your new one. Break a leg guise!!! XD

    4 years ago
  158. I agree with that sexy girl towards the end! You should do 2PM! And so glad to see you went back to the old style of kpmm!

    4 years ago
  159. totally agree with you Martina XD

    4 years ago
  160. You have T-Ara’s video playing during the showdown when you mention G-Dragon ^^;
    And the annotations don’t seem to be working, for me at least

    4 years ago
  161. Thank you! We’ve still got some things we want to work out, some ideas we haven’t fully matured yet, but we plan on adding more to KMM in the future. I hope you’ll still like it :D

    4 years ago
    • I agree. Maybe Simon and Martina could each get a minute to explain and debate. I did really like seeing the interaction between you guys.

      4 years ago
    • Yeah, I think bumping up the debates to a minute or so, so both sides can say a couple points, would be better. I just really like hearing others’ opinions about songs and artists and kpop in general, especially from people who aren’t in my circle of friends or in my particular fanclub.

      4 years ago
    • Can’t wait to see what you have up your nasty sleeves ;)

      4 years ago
  162. 1 IFEX-O HAS FALLEN DOWN A HOLE, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR SMENT TOHELP THEM OUT?
    2 Save equation.
    3 Blow bubbles and POP ‘EM. (OOH! Bubble pop??)

    1st Form – Taemin —> 2nd Form – TaeMAN —> Final Form – ?
    TAEMAXIMUM???
    XD

    4 years ago
    • i paid more attention to that board because of this…xD lmao

      4 years ago
      • LOL I know, right?!?!
        I had to go back and watch that part because I totally missed everything Simon said because I was far too busy reading the stuff on the board and ROFL-ing about it XD

        4 years ago
  163. I really liked that 30s disagreement battle you had
    it was really fun to watch~^^

    4 years ago
  164. BTW why was T-ara video where G-dragons video should be lol?

    4 years ago
    • haha i figured it was an editing problem… I replayed the video several times to make sure it wasn’t me since i think i am getting sick >_<

      4 years ago
      • I see it as foreshadowing. T-araN4 is the winner , time to P-A-R-T-Y, and Roly Poly Loly Loly Poly

        4 years ago
  165. I always thought sub groups were meant to take a different sound and look to a group with an already established sound and image. Like infinite and infinite-h for example. Infinite do 80’s sounding songs and infinite h totally went a different route to this. The same could be said for orange caramel and after school, or tts and snsd.

    Now, the reason why this t-ara sub unit upset me a little bit was because it felt like this could have been a perfectly good t-ara song NOT a t-ara n4 song. This sub unit is clearly a popularity show. Jiyeon’s presence says it all. The girl isn’t known to be very talented in singing (Sorry jiyeon :( I like you really) but she’s VERY popular. To not put soyeon into this group who is t-ara’s best singer proves my point. This sub group (as much as I love the song) just emphasises that t-ara sadly doesn’t need the remain 3 (4?) members.

    4 years ago
    • It’s Jiwon, not Jiyon (Spica member) :)

      4 years ago
    • I thought they made this sub-unit because Hyomin, Eunjung, Jiyeon and Ahreum were the strongest dancers in the group, and since this was a more complex dance song (to an extent), they were put in a sub-unit, while Soyeon, Boram and Qri tackled Japan as their own sub-unit.

      4 years ago
    • It has been announced the 3 others members will start a subunit in Japan. That’s totally understandable since Qri, Boram and Soyeon has more the cute doll image that suits japan market very well… Only Areum has also a cute image (because she’s still young) but she can also be sexy/fresh that suits the Korean markets more (other SE asian markets aswell). Besides Areum is actually the second best singer in the whole group (behind Soyeon) and one of the best rapper (maybe the best since Hwayoung departure – not prooved yet), so they needed her for the high pitch + she needs more exposure in Korea even though she is quite popular already.
      So, I agree that they put in t-ara N4 the most popular member in Korea, to promote in Korea.

      Actually, you only need 2 members to make a real good song : one singer and one rapper (see Turbo…). But kpop idol group’ standards need also a ‘visual’, ‘backup dancers’, ‘subvocal’, ‘subrapper’… So yeah, in fact you don’t need a lot of members to make good songs,but it’s kpop industry.

      I think T-ara is one of the girl group with the most different of personalities. Jeon Won Diary could have been carried by any combination of 2 members of the subunit (maybe not Areum part) but each member adds her own colour to the song, so it’s really better with

      Subunits have a lot of use :
      It allows to try new stuff from the original group (see Orange Caramel / After School)
      It allows.to stay in the music field (the subunit promoting) and to cover other branches of the entertainment industry at the same time (tvshow, movie/drama, music, musical, publicity), and also to conquer different overseas markets (A simple example, even though Kara are still quite popular in Korea, they work 70-80% of the time in Japan. I think they are acting more than singing in korea nowadays.. Popularity in korea music world seems to decrease. )
      It also allows ‘total inactive’ members to focus on other things like studying/training, personal business, working, (resting?) etc…
      And something significant, subunits use the fame of the mother group to grow faster (at the beginning at least).

      PS: totally love this very energetic dance btw.

      4 years ago
    • I think if you judge by the lyrics and the drama scenes (like Kang Min Kyung booed on stage but still dancing ’cause one fan still shows support) one of the main theme of the songs is to stick it to the haters.

      Yes Soyeon (who’s role in a drama got slowly sidelined), Qri & Boram (“caught destroying Hwayoung’s Umbrella during Idol Olympics”-said antis… while in fact she was actually shielding Hwayoung from the rain with her umbrella) did got hurt by the controversy but it was Eunjeung, Hyomin and Jiyeon who got the burnt of the witchhunt. And Ahreum also got flak for “having the nerve” to take Hwa’s position. It was the N4 members which recieve the nasty rumours and lies spread about their personalities (Jiyeon likes to burn traineess with cigarettes, Hyomin likes to have sex parties, Eunjeung was secretly married to Osama bin Laden and gets paid to feed rice cakes to Kim Jong Un, Ahreum eats babies to keep her milky white skin).

      So in my opinion the whole Jeon Won Diary and N4 movement is sort of a way for them to fight back against their detractors. This is why I respect them so much, and even if this single doesn’t sell as well as their other songs, I still consider it a total WIN in my book.

      4 years ago
    • Isn’t Areum the main rapper and not Hyomin, (although she is awesome the role was passed.onto Areum, from Hwayoung) even the leader of Speed . How sad is that

      4 years ago
    • They really did just put the three most popular members together didn’t they… and maybe they hope the added exposure will make Areum more popular as well?

      4 years ago
  166. If I was a k-pop producer, I would totally hire you guys to direct our music videos.

    4 years ago
  167. Mav

    OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG so freaking funny! really “If EX-O fell on a hole how long would it take SM to help them?” I rolled rolled rolled………. on the floor and the 3 stages of the Taemin were awesome…….. I love that blackboard…

    And the First WORLD Problems skit… loved it!!!!!

    Edit: Loved the format! Good day to you sir!

    4 years ago
    • i basically missed everything Simon said in this scene because I was laughing so hard at the blackboard.

      4 years ago
    • Ditto to the ditto, lol. I loved the comments on the blackboard.

      4 years ago
  168. I really love this version of KMM!

    4 years ago
  169. But Why So Serious is so awesome T^T
    It was actually the first song that got me into SHINee XD
    I think this song is absolutely horrible x]

    BTW this version of KMM is amazing (: keep it up!

    4 years ago
    • I really liked WSS too and I found the T-aran4 song to be boring, but eh, lol. Que sera..

      4 years ago
    • I think Why so serious is awesome too! *high five*

      4 years ago
      • HIGH FIVE. Though I am really happy they didnt review it. because if this song had non stop hate, I probably would’ve been so mad at Simon and Martina XD

        4 years ago
    • i second that…. wow…. for the first time SHINee actually disappointed me. i don’t think it’s the worst song evarrr but when your standards are so high (ring ding dong, sherlock <3) why so serious doesn't even come close :( but it's okay… every group is allowed 1 bad song pass…. right?

      4 years ago