It’s the Kpop Chart Update for the week of May 12th 2012! If you didn’t read that in a cheesy talk show host voice, go back and do so now.

We’ve got a lot of rookie-like bands in this update, Hello Venus, A Pink, and ULALA Session. The only exception is with IU who released a 26 minute long “music video” on May 10th which is more like a documentary, but we won’t be talking about it today, I just wanted to mention it so you know that it’s out and to take the time to watch it!

Hello Venus “Venus”Vote for them here!


First up is Hello Venus, the newest female rookie group from Pledis Entertainment, the same label that brought us After School, Orange Caramel, NU’EST, and Son Dambi.  When we saw the teaser photos, we were really excited about this group.  They had crazy coloured hair and an interesting and quirky Alice in Wonderland feel to them, but it wasn’t too over the top.  We thought – considering Orange Caramel – this group might be the middle ground between After School and Orange Caramel.  They’d be quirky and unique, but not as extreme into role playing/cosplaying as Orange Caramel, and they’d be serious and strong females like After School, but with less Pussycat Doll sexy sass.  I thought the name “Hello Venus” and the teaser photos suggested a liking to the famous Greek goddess, Venus aka Aphrodite, and she is a strong, powerful, yet beautiful woman. Then the name of the song is Venus! I’m like, “OH YEAH, here we go! Strong female band FTW!”  However, after watching their debut music video, we got the worst case scenario: yet another cutey girl band making faces at the camera.

Warning! Incoming rant!

I really really really don’t get enjoyment out of this cutey girl/boy image.  To begin with, it is really forced to me.  We can all tell that they’re acting, especially with the girl in the coffee shop uniform, and it makes me feel irritated seeing them make these forced faces at the camera.  I just don’t understand what’s wrong with letting a rookie group come out with a little strength and sass?  There are three really good examples of fabulous debuts by girl groups, 2NE1, 4Minute, and Miss A.  I feel like Miss A made the strongest debut for a rookie girl group to this day.  “Bad Girl, Good Girl” blew my mind with both the choreography and their attitudes, and they didn’t try to hook people with extreme fashion or trendy blank blank.  I was immediately drawn to them.  I’ve really loved everything they’ve done ever since.  Even their quirky and bizarre music video for “Breathe” set them apart from all the other groups. With the latest addition of new girl groups to the kpop world, and I’m talking about A Pink as well, I don’t see anything special or unique about them to set them apart from one another.

Now, of course, if you’re a dedicated fan who is following the group, there will be lots of special details you’ll know about these bands.  But people need to acknowledge that there are different levels of kpop consumers, some who are extremely steeped in the fan base culture, watch all the shows and interviews and are up-to-date on information. Then there are those that really love kpop, listen to the music and watch the music videos but aren’t interested in learning the background culture of the groups they like.  That’s where Simon and I fall in: we are very interested in the music and music videos and we take those at face value.  Hence why we can openly admit to loving 90% of one bands’ songs (for example, 2NE1) and then frankly admit to disliking another 10% (I didn’t like the song Go Away or the music video for Ugly) .  It’s possible for us to share this opinion because we aren’t steeped in the part of fan culture which dictates that we MUST LOVE EVERYTHING otherwise we’re betraying the band.

This is usually where we run into problems with people who are a part of the extreme fan culture and who can’t understand the perspective of an average kpop consumer.  The main problem occurs when an Extreme Kpop Fan feels offended that something we’ve said is disrespectful because they themselves are steeped in Kpop Culture, and they’re unable to accept that some people just like the bands for their plain old music.  When we say we don’t like a song or video, it has nothing to do with the band personally, we don’t even know them personally (and neither do the kpop fans)!

So, we come full circle to A Pink and Hello Venus.  When we say we don’t like their songs and music videos, we don’t mean for some people to take this personally.  We don’t like the image their company is giving them.  There are two forms of “sex sells” in the Korean music industry, one is obvious sexy, like how Cube is marketing Hyuna, and then there is discreet sexy, which is the cutey girl aegyo image.  Don’t be fooled, cutey overacting girls is still a sex sells method.  There is only one Korean idol out right now that I think is the right amount of non-forced cute, and that’s IU.  She doesn’t make too many faces at the camera, and she doesn’t super duper overact, she strikes me as genuinely classy cute.


Ah!  Ok, that was a long rant …sorry we didn’t talk about the Ulala Session video, we just had to get this off our chests because watching those two videos in a row killed me. KILLLLLLLEEEDDD MEEEEE!!!!!!

PS: OH! ALSO! I’ve made a scale to understand our perspective of Kpop Consumption! Thoughts? Additions? Where do you fall in?

(E-KF) Extreme Kpop Fan Culture: I follow the band as if they are Idols in a religion to be worshipped.  I respect everything they do, I don’t share any negative opinions (or else you are a “jealous hater”), I feel extreme offence when someone expresses that they don’t like my band, feels extreme offence when someone doesn’t know all the background information about their religion…I mean…band.

(EM-KF) Person in-between these two

(M-KF) Middle Kpop Fan Culture: I really respect this band, I know details about them, I might watch their TV shows, interviews and so on, but I can compare and contrast their songs and videos, and make preferences of one song over the other. For example: I don’t like this song as much as their last, I love his guy liner

(MA-KF) Person in-between these two (Martina falls in this category)

(A-KF) Average Kpop Fan Consumer: I will watch this video/listen to this song and form an opinion based on my impressions of this video, rather then with my research on this band

(AN-KC) Average-Non Kpop Consumer: not necessarily a fan of kpop, but they listen to it rarely

(N-K) Non-Kpop Consumer: WTF did I just watch, why are there so many people in this band, why are they wearing the same clothing, why is that guy wearing make up, is that a even a guy, what crappy English, haha now I will mock Asian pop music

  1. I think I am completely the M-FK type. For example Super Junior is my favorite band (and has always been and will maybe always be) and I know a lot about them. But I can honestly tell you, that I find most of their MVs more than boring. I don’t even like everything their discography has to offer. Not nearly!
    I can admit it! Yay! I am not dellusional :D I like them because they are fun and they entertain me.

    I think it’s sad when people are not able to form their own opinion anymore because they love something so much. Loving something is great. Being positive about something is also a good thing. But losing your whole ability to judge objectively is uncool. And molesting others with your hyper-biased opinion, when it’s unasked for, is uncool as well. Not everyone has to like the same things. Or otherwise live would be completely boring.

    Boring like a Super Junior-MV, I guess.^^

  2. I’m definitely M-KF but I know wayyyyyyyyy too many people who are E-KF. 
    and boy is it frustrating. 

  3. I’m happy to say I’m not insane and according to the handy chart (which I really like and it would be nice if people could identify themselves as such before I start talking to them about Kpop of any kind [that way I know to back away slowly]) I’m M-KF. I definitely know a lot about the groups that I like and usually if I like more then 5 songs I will make myself learn everyone’s name within the group. That being said I don’t like everything they do, and as I was just discussing with someone today it’s actually nice to know that I don’t like everything they do because it means they’re human and have flaws like the rest of us. Does that make sense? Anyway, I agree with the cutey image, I’ve always felt IU was really cute, but it seems very natural and nothing she’s attempting to do, she’s just cute.
    Anyway, my point was that it would be nice if people tried to be realistic with idols and idol music.

  4. Yeah, I totally agree with what you’ve wrote.
    But for me, I guess that the groups nowadays lost their freshness in what they do.
    If your a music lover like me, sometimes when you hear a song, it doesn’t sounds really good to you because you can’t really feel the enjoyment or them putting their all in the music they had. (The music nowadays start to suck too.) I don’t know if anyone of you feel that way but it just feels like their doing for the sake of it.
    You can love music and you can love singing, but it is a whole other thing for you to really feel and portray it.

  5. so I know this was a while ago, but I thought I would give my two cents anyway. first I disagree with what you said about IU, I think she uses too much aegyo, she is older than me by a few months, so to me it’s a little odd? to see someone my age act that way. Sometimes in her interviews, her videos (specially the new one) you can see her more mature side and then it gets full of aegyo again, She is too deep into the little sister image, which I think her company is reluctant of letting her grow out of …fyi I don’t hate IU.

    BUT If you listen to Hello Venus, heck don’t watch the MV, the song it’s actually not filled of aegyo. I have a hard time listening to songs, in which the singers use aegyo voices (which is why I can’t listen to A Pink or Girl’s Day). Sure HV might use cute facial expressions but at least their voices sound normal. And with all of the mature debuts, with already strong concepts, I find Hello Venus to be a breath of fresh air. Everyone is doing a strong concept SPICA, EXO, BAP, Nu’Est, She’z, EXID, etc so the stong/dance/mature concept is growing old to me already, so listening to a song that it’s more light and fluffy is quite rejuvenating and refreshing…

    Also, debuting with a innocent concept is a more traditional path for artist, it gives the groups a chance to grow. The problem with debuting with a strong image/concept or song is whether they will be able to top it.

  6. Did anyone notice they completely copied the sound of After School’s Rambling Girls in parts of their verses?

  7. snsd had a concept that was cute but not TOO cute to where martina and simon can’t stand it during kissing you and they were in their teens and their in their 20s and it is awkward when u see a idol in their 20s still holding a lollipop and dancing like a teen on stage sometimes O_O 

  8. OMG I’m laughing so hard at the last classification!!!  I’d say I’m an M-KF :) I was just thinking about it today–and mind you, with the exception of SNSD whom I’ve loved since 2009–much of my kpop liking has happened only this year. But the pattern that happens is the music and music videos will catch my attention. Then I’ll look up any interviews. Then I’ll look for more interviews. Then it’ll be likely I’ll look for reality TV shows or variety shows. Then I’ll look up from my laptop to realize my condo is a mess, the dishes haven’t been washed and my husband is passed out on the sofa**

    **I kid. He’ll likely have passed out right on the bed.

  9. Victory girls sounds like “we are a city of white girls ” :P

  10. I’m an EM-KF leaning more toward M than E. 

    What kind of monster has Kpop turned me INTO!?! *goes back to scanning bigbangupdates for pictures of TOP*

  11. you were so right that rapper girl her hair

    looked like it came out of baskin robbins Fridge XD
    love ur blog this is my first visit her but it love it 
    keep it up guys

  12. Did anyone else notice Nu’est in the party scene?? 0.o

  13. Cute song, the hellovenus song has a nice catchy tune! Yay, martina’s voice is back!
    Could you add Block B’s new song to the chartlist, please??  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR1JLFhn91o and Electroboyz got also a beautiful new song. They are both really catchy.

  14. I think I’m mostly a M-KF now. I used to be a DBSK E-KF. But now that I’m older (haha hopefully wiser) and the younger ones (ie. Shinee) are popular now. My kpop obsession is more of an observer. It just feels wrong to rob a cradle. lol.
    Well at the beginning/introduction to Kpop (Se7en), I was a MA-KF person…then I was sucked into DBSK and all hell broke lose. I got over the fact that I was listening to boybands. I blame stress from school (escapism) that sucked me into the fandom. 

  15. The older guy in the car is in Feast of the gods, I think his name is Joo Sang Wook. He is Choi Ha Ja in the drama but I’m rooting for Kim Do Yoon.

  16. Ditto to everything you wrote. Thanks for category. I wish those would be attached to people’s comments, so that I can avoid having someone rip on me if I happen to say I dislike their idol. 

  17. I think you hit the nail when talking about the cutesy kpop image. I am both a kpop and jpop fan, and I always thought Korea just never been able to pull off the cutesy image. I think one major reason is the groups like Hello Venus have girls ranging from 17 to 22.  While some jpop groups with the same image have ages ranging more from 12 to 15. Simply put, jpop singers pull off the cute image because they are young and cute. Kpop girls are just way too old to actually think it is cool to make cute hand motions to express themselves.

    Not to say there isn’t anything slightly fudged up about little girls being “sex icons.” I think it is more complicated then “guys want to sleep with 12 year olds” and more about someone that is as sexually innocent as the target audience (lets face it the guys in the Hello Venus video are all loners of some sort)

  18. A-KF fo’ LYFE!

  19. According to your scale, I think I’m a E-KF but that only applies to 2NE1 and BIGBANG. I think they are the only two groups that can make it in the U.S. 
    Girl groups these days are putting way too much into the aegyo thing. I don’t hate it, but I just don’t find it… what’s that word… o well. For example, I’ve been watching hellovenus’s venus over and over again, for like 6 times already, and I still can’t separate the members apart, usually it only takes me 2 – 3 times to separate the members in other groups. I know that KPOP is very different from American-pop, but if they ever want to go worldwide, they need that change that cutie girl image.

  20. Whilst I do highly agree about the whole “aegyo” concepts being just plain ridiculously over-exaggerated these days, I must disagree about your opinion about A Pink. I myself never could stand forced “aegyo” in front of the camera. I always question why all these idols just can’t be themselves and have fun instead of puffing their cheeks and batting their eyelashes continuously.  But then I watched A Pink and B1A4 and realized that not all “aegyo” concepts can be that horrendous.  A Pink actually has a more natural type of presentation of cuteness that wouldn’t make you want to throw something at your computer screen.  Sure they may wink and puff their cheeks repeatedly throughout the video, but it doesn’t look as forced as every other girl group I see. Their “cute” is more of the refreshing and unforced kind.

  21. I’m an MA-KF.  And I think those definitions and descriptions are pretty accurate.  I’ll only bother looking into the background of a group after several of their songs/videos appeal to me and I’ve been watching to/listening to them regularly for several days (or weeks).  And that doesn’t happen often.  Only, like, four bands.  Personally, I like it when you can hold a decent discussion with other fans about the merits and not-so-good things about the songs. It bugs me when people are like “OMG, you said you didn’t like this song as much as the other song — YOU MUST BE AN ANTI!”

  22. I think I fall into the MA-KF category. Most of the time I don’t go looking into the background of a group, but merely enjoy their music, videos and what have you. When I do look into any info, I generally wiki it to get the most basic facts like their name and how old they are or perhaps see if he/she did any other musical stuff before they were in ______ group.
    I love to hear thoughts/opinions on an individual and groups, so I’m not apposed to hearing the negative. Not all “negative” criticism is bad criticism. Indeed I may really enjoy _____ group, but not like all their songs. It’s silly to think someone is an anti blah blah if they don’t like everything about a person/group.
    I would agree with you S&M about the overload of cutie groups. I don’t mind a sprinkle of aegyo here and there, but lately many groups are using it too often, too over the top and it just comes across as being forced. With so many rookie groups using the aegyo, it does make it hard to find a clear distinction between them (especially if like me you don’t often know of the members backgrounds). I’m sure if the company’s let the group members true personalities shine (Juliette Ohhh!) even a little, then we wouldn’t have this issue of “who are you again?”
    Anyhoodles, although the lady groups have started off with supreme aegyo, I’m sure their um, image will evolve and separate, so to speak, nicely. =)

  23. thisisjustforfunval

    Thanks for giving us some classifications. I’m with Martina, I’m a MA-KF. I really only M-FK on two bands but enjoy random songs and videos by various groups. And this is just my personal taste, but I’m not much of a fan of girl groups. I love 2NE1, Brown Eyed Girls and uhm yeah that’s it. I’m a hardcore rocker/indie rocker at heart and cutesy just isn’t my personal cup of tea. Kpop is my guilty pleasure.

    NOW Ulala Session! Holy Footloose! It is the modern korean version of Footloose! It was so much fun too listen to and watch.

  24. Ok this is not for me at all. I can’t wait for YG new girls band. I agree with Martina. For me Miss A is the only girls band that made a strong debut in two years ! 

  25. I think I fall in the same category as Martina~ xD I’m interested in some bands and watch for examples shows with them. But there are also songs that I like but I have no idea what are the names of people in the band singing them. xD
    Also I feel really, really bad reading those rant sections of yours. I mean… you shouldn’t have to explain yourself like that. Kpop fandom can be so sick with extreme fans. What you do is only normal and you shouldn’t explain yourself every time you don’t like something. You have the right to don’t like it! Simple as that. 
    De gustibus non disputandum est. ;)

  26. Simon and Martina i agree with your rant… 
    I feel extremely awkward looking at cutesy girl and boy groups, i just cnt stand it >.<

  27. MK-F!!!!! only bc i really enjoy guyliner.. lol

  28. Thank god someone sees this. 
    All these new rookie girl groups just seem to blur by me. Once you’ve seen one, you can say you’ve seen them all.
    Miss A, 2NE1 and 4minute are all super popular, and because they did something different, they are respected and well known.
    Girl’s Generation and 2NE1 are considered to be the biggest female idols in Korea at this time. While GG started out with a sort of cutie concept, they matured and developed in to classy ladies. Besides, GG’s ‘cutie’ style only added to their vocal/ dance talent, rather than making up of the lack of it. For them, cute seemed fairly natural, and not super comma enduing. And 2NE1, of course, did something completely freaking different. Unlike most female idol groups, whose main fan base is males, 2NE1 have stated that most of their fans are females. What’s wrong with a girl group appealing not just with their sexy/cutie image? 2NE1 have done things differently, stood up for women in their songs, and become one of the most powerful groups in Korea.
    Seriously. Where are producers getting the idea that cute is the only way to go? 

  29. Wouldn’t you guys agree that the Ulalasession song is just a cover of Footloose? The dance too is quite similar.

  30. I am M-KF and all my friends are N-K. I am the outcast when it comes to music. WEHHH! T.T

  31. At least the girls looks cute with their forced aegyo.. Whenever I try to be cute it ends up looking like this….

  32. On A-pink: I agree the video was dead boring, but I think the song deserved something better? Imagine it done properly disco and sung by T-ara. Could have been great.

  33. I actually quite enjoy cutesy concepts every once in a while. It gives k-pop a little variety. I will agree, that when don badly, it’s very bad. One of the biggest pitfalls, I think, is using cuteness as a means to prop up a bad song, which I think was the case in both these videos. Yes, cute expressions get a little repetitive, but so do sexy ones. How many times have you seen an idol rub their lips or stare seductively into the camera? bad sexiness is just as bad  as bad aegyo. But when aegyo is done well, it’s quite entertaining. A few people have mentioned SNSD as belonging to this category, but there are a lot of other bands- even ones that are normally serious/sexy that have done it. Might I point you in the direction of lollipop, tell me, beautiful, chu, shampoo…. 

    Oh, and I think the reason B1A4 might be your exception is that they don’t seem to take themselves (or their cuteness) too seriously.

  34. I am most definitely an M-KF. I feel it’s the perfect balance for me! ^_^

  35. I’m in between AN-KC and N-K….more leaning toward N-K
    I rarely listen to kpop, but I like a couple songs:
    Miss A-Touch
    John Park-Falling
    Clazzi-how we feel
    that’s pretty much it! But I can appreciate kpop even so. 
    But, I have a similar taste with simon and martina in non-kpop songs! I love some crystal castles songs, beach house, architecture in helsinki, and i think they listen to robyn…and more! :D

  36. OMG martina i couldnt believe you were accatuallt talking in this video its really good to se your getting your voice back and your starting to get better

  37. After School has a strong/sexy/sassy debut too. 

  38. I agree with the rant though I think some groups like A-Pink can get away with it. Girls’ Generation are good too but I think that’s cos they can pull off the ‘sexy’ concept as well, as in 소원을 말해봐 and The Boys. What annoys me is when a group keeps on doing ‘cutesey’ songs. Like Girl’s Day for example, after their member change they released Nothing Lasts Forever which is a brilliant song. After that they released 반짝 반짝 which is also an awesome song but now all they seem to do is ‘cutesey’ sounding songs. Which is a shame cos there’s one singer (I think her name is Minha?) that has an amazing voice however in their latest song it doesn’t sound like she’s singing to her full potential. The same with T-ara, I feel like they restrict their singing voices. A ‘cutesey’ song once in a while ain’t bad but all the time? @_@ Also I fall in the M-KF category when it comes to 2NE1 and A-KF for all the other bands.   

  39. irritablevowel

    AN-KC.  I fully admit to not really listening to kpop, but yet I really enjoy Simon and Martina’s reviews of songs and groups I don’t know.  Their entertaining reviews get me to listen to the songs and watch the videos that I wouldn’t seek out myself.  However, with the exception of Clazzi’s “How We Feel, I still haven’t loved a kpop song enough to buy it (and does that song really qualify as kpop?).  Of course except for scattered songs here and there, I don’t love North American pop enough to buy it either, so at the very least I’m consistent.  It’s the kpop fandom subculture that I love learning about.
    Kdramas on the other hand, I will consume the hell out of.  Crack!  Crack I tell you! 

  40. LOL I think I fall in the M-KF category! (Nice system by the
    way!) I think the level of “obsession” for any band highly depends on
    someone’s age. Teenagers (no offense guys!) are more likely to be influenced by
    the marketing strategies, while older people usually tend to have their own
    opinion about songs, videos etc… Generally speaking (I mean not just KPOP) I tend to favor some artists over others but that doesn’t mean I have to blindly like all of their songs.

  41. Has anyone else noticed the seemingly forced tomboy image, too?  I love having short hair, but i can be very feminine, too, and when my hair is long, i can pull it into a ponytail and be rough and tumble–so is it just me, or is there a pattern of the “rapper” role of these girl groups always has super short (fun, but still) hair?  I feel like these girls are set up to have to fight to feel pretty like their bandmates?  just noticed with Venus for the umpteenth time…

  42. Good rant but I’m a little surprised by this I mean so much of kpop
    is like this I just accepted it good or bad a long time ago. I can
    understand you being a bit disappointed after gleaning a possibly
    more confident and sexy image from teasers though.
    Also lets be
    honest all this cutesy oppa stuff is for Korean men to consume
    primarily so no, as good as the genre often is we are not in the
    target demographic as Simon said.
    As you mentioned both the aegyo and more obvious sexy have the same purpose so personal preference aside im not sure there is any difference in a kpop idol being told act cute or act sexy by their sinister overlords!
    For the record i thought hello venus was pretty good liked the blue hair hehe (and that guy in the car wasnt that old?)

  43. I agree with you on the two first songs; I was actually really bored while watching Venus… the song is not too bad, but nothing fantastic about it. But I didn’t like Hush. I can’t say I hate cutey image but it’s too much here.
    I liked your rant and the way you “ordered” kpop fans =)
    For me it depends on the band. For SHINee or SNSD or other groups I really  like a lot (not only music-wise) I’d say I’m in the EM-KF category, but there are bands I like mainly for the music and really respect, like CN Blue or F.T. Island, for these I’d say I’m in the M-KF category. And then there are bands I don’t really know, I jsut listen to some of their songs and that’s it.

  44. I think I’m M-KF… I love knowing a lot about my idols and enjoy macros and fanfics, but I am always objective when hearing a new song both from my bias and from a group I don’t like, and would never post anything negative about anyone. But I think I’m spending too much time on watching funny YouTube clips of my biases…

  45. I’m a M-KF, but only with two bands I know more details: SHINee (my favorite one) and DBSK (and who knows, maybe in a year with EXO too).

    Of course sometimes I just watch and like some songs/mvs of other groups, but then I’m just A-KF (but sometimes, when I’m too addicted to the song, I just try to memorize their names).

    But I don’t have the time to watch all of their interviews and shows and etc. Even if I had that time, well, I don’t live with those people, so I’ll never ever know so much things about them… they still have to not tell about many things because of what their managers says :P

    I usually step back from these fandoms and forums because like 80% of them are just too hardcore to me and I feel they’re kinda “alienated” hahaha (not judging, since I don’t know them too).

    Anyway, if I just don’t like a song about (for example) SHINee, that absolutely doesn’t mean I’ll stop supporting them.
    Actually, it may end up on that subject talked about S&M long time ago: the artists don’t actually have much control about what they’re going to sing next. So, even if we like the song (of course then we like how the artists performed and etc), part of it is “I like what [label] made”.
    This hardcore fan thing would be a little more “honest” (about the songs, not what we see of their personalities on tv shows) if the artists, like, were friends and decided to form a band together… (I don’t know if I’m clear here about what I’m trying to say hahaha please don’t wanna kill me if you may misunderstood :P)

  46. I agree with everything written in the rant part. The old SNSD cutesy “oppa oppa” image annoys me, and since it’s also too mainstream for girl groups nowadays. *sigh* Oh well. I guess it takes a lot to be different. 

    I am a super proud fan of Bilasa and IU, but I guess I’ll fall on the M-KF category? ㅋㅋㅋ… And thank you for your honest opinions. A lot of highly obsessed fans needs them now, really. :)

  47. How did daddy set that up? Do girls with no $$ or education have the same opportunity?

  48. Korean ladies accept your Korean…ass. Copy Kats are not original artists. Embrace your worth, refuse to be exploited. Practice Taekwondo! Be the woman of your dreams. Having been around Koreans for 25 years there is nothing that annoys me most than those ladies that giggle and try to be cute. When I visited Korean, got married in Korea I was so annoyed by that false humility.

  49. make your rant into an official video! use the rant as the script like word for word. its the perfect amount of blunt honesty and apologetic/considerate tone.DOOOO IIIIIT! NOOOOOWWWW! for all of us. who are not 14 years old kpop fans and get verbally abused by the army 14 year fans everytime we comment our opinion ever

  50. Isn’t the guy in the car Joo Sang Wook? I agree with Simon. Definitely creepy that a 16 year old is picking up a guy in his 30s -.- 

  51. and I think i am an EM-KF too XD

  52. I agree with Simon on Hello Venus! I also expected them to be original, but they are toooo “normal” for kpop girlbands :S
    The song might be catchy because of the “uuuuhuuuuhuuu..” part xD but honestly the only good thing about the video is NU’EST appearance :P
    Love these boys :*

  53. I am a EM-KF, according to this chart of wisdom of yours.

  54. M-KF I believe i fall into this hehe ^^ But only for the grps i follow like DBSK and BEAST. for the rest of kpop probably i’m just a MA-KF. E-KF kind of fans are fans i can never understand… sigh… they sound like ssasaeng fans… ><

  55. HAHAHA! The “creepy guy in the car” (HelloVenus video) was “ahjusshi” in Paradise Farm/Ranch. Also, am I the only one who noticed NU’EST dancing at the end of that video? (They’re all wearing pink suits, I reconized Ren first…) Oh yah, does anyone know for sure if the girl in “Beautiful Night” (ULALASESSION) is Uee, she looks familiar (You’re/He’s Beautiful) but I’m not 100% sure….anyone?

  56. punkyprincess92

    i’m EM-KF!! i LOVE my SHINee but i don’t ‘worship’ them!!! and when i see bad comments about them i don’t go all berserk and expect everyone to love them like i do cos i realise everyone has their own taste!! and i will truthfully say if there is something i didn’t like about one of their songs or styles!!

    these are the others in Kpop i love!!
    SuJu, Big Bang, 2ne1, F(x), TVXQ, MBLAQ, BoA, EXO, Jay Park!!! on a M-KF level!!
    i like some Girls Generation music too!!
    and i’m not one of those kpoppers who just completely hate on a group!! like i don’t even get the point of that!! if you don’t like their music just don’t listen but you don’t have to HATE and be mean!!

    …….also if anyone here is N-K, then i worry about them!!

  57. I believe APink fans are called Pandas hahaha!!!

  58. In the Ulala Session video I saw the girl with the Jeffrey Campbell shoes and I remember a bunch of other kpop MV they often have very exclusive/expensive shoes; this makes me wonder if this shoes/brands are common in Korea or, just like the chinese market, this are copies?Another intriguing thing is why the girls in kpop culture are not wearing stockings? I saw fishnets or Cuban heels and the like but I’m thinking the regular stockings are not seen in the MV.

  59. I’m a M-KF for some groups (2NE1 and Big Bang) but I’d think I’m able to drop down to MA-KF why I get my bias out of the way.
    I agree with you on rookie groups. Companies are really making it hard on us more and more groups have a cutie concept and un-unique music videos. If they could at least make them stand out groups could be a lot more successful.

  60. Hardcore VIP here, i don’t watch all the performance made by BIGBANG. its so awkward for me to sit and watch them perform at music stations. I already know how cool they are, but real life performance and studio music are really different. sometimes these two doesn’t mix well for me. However, concerts are better. I think Music stations i get too distracted by the background concept, and the reception of the vocal over the speaker could be… a little too much.

  61. is it just me or did those “dangerous” boys look familiar or suspect they’re trainees that are going to be a the brother group to this one….

  62. I’m a M-KF with Big Bang, MA-KF with 2NE1 and a A-KF with other bands I like. I don’t worship BB like a religion, but I do tend to get a lil’ obsessive with catching up with their latest news and stuffs. The others, I just listen to their new songs and watch their music videos and not much else. I was once a EM-KF for TVXQ before they came out with Mirotic, but sadly, I really disliked them after Mirotic. Their sound changed and I didn’t like it. So yea, it’s Big Bang for me right now~ :3

  63. I am M-KF!Maybe because i like multiple of band so yeah..I am M-KF

  64. I dont particularly like cute bands too, especially if their concept is being cute in every video! anyways, I didn’t mind the cuteness in Hello Venus, but I hope they change their image up. Though I might not have minded this video bc of all the guys, I can tell you I was very distracted by them. 

    What i do like though, is occasional cutsey videos. Then I totally digg them. Did anyone see Black B’s video where the guys are so cute? Never thought they will do that, plus they actually pulled it off well. 

    Oh and on the chart I might be M-KF? I’m like this with suju, Big Bang and DBSK. Not so much with the others. 

  65. Hi guise;
    Glad to hear your voice slowly coming back Martina, I lost my voice over the week too and I’m the same boat. Although without the need to talk on videos! Rest up :)

    Anywho, I can appreciate the arguments you make about aegio/cutsey girl bands. I’m relatively new to Kpop and probably a MA-KFan only because of Big Bang but otherwise more average fandom. As a result I find the whole aegio/cutsey thing still a novelty although i can see it’s turned up to 11 in these videos. At this point i still just see them as cute :P  However I could totally see how that could get old very quickly especially if i was surrounded by it. 

    I’m already over seeing so many female characters in Kdramas doing the aegio thing C’mon! It’s a real shame that women in Korean entertainment have such restricted images to choose from. It’s pretty sexist really :p Anyways looking forward to the coming week!

  66. Thank God for this rant!!! I was like… agreeing, checking my imaginary WTF Kpop things. I can handle aegyo, but not all the time. I can only bear Bilasa type of aegyo. And to some extent, Girls’ Generation. Glad they toned it down.

    And regarding that scale, I think I fall in M-KF type. I love 2NE1 with all of my heart. I know a lot of details about them follow their activities, watched two and a half seasons of 2NE1 TV (I didn’t finish the last, I got tired), probably watched 90% of their performances, and pretty much stanned them. With that said, I compare and contrast their songs, music videos and performances. I love almost all their songs, but I won’t lie, I hated “I’m Busy” from To Anyone album. I think their pretty, but I wish Bom did not undergo that much surgery. I like their fashion, but sometimes I question it too. I love their personalities, but I wish they would try to get close with other people from other agencies too. They are not perfect, I know, and yet I still love them. And I don’t own any 2NE1 album, because I’m poor. T___T Same with BIGBANG. I love them to death, but GD’s marijuana scandal didn’t make me love him more. But he apologized and everything’s cool. lol

    With other groups that I like (B.A.P, BEG, WG, Secret, Infinite, SHINee, EXO, Sistar, miss A, Bilasa – yeah, I follow a lot of groups, lol), I’m a MA-KF.

  67. Honestly don’t find A Pink’s new vid as aggressively cutesy as you do… Maybe it’s the overexposed pinkness that does it, and then just imagine that everything pink is actually black and I’m sure the vid will seem different… Cause personally, I just think they look really happy  rather than extremely cute (and especially not compared to Hello Venus)… And atleast they’re not as bad as they were last year…
    Or maybe it’s just me having built up an immunity to aegyo that I hardly even see it anymore…

  68. I know you guys hate the aeygo girl concept but I adore it. It’s just nice to see girl groups acting young and pure, and cute because I never see that in the american music industry but in Korea it’s everywhere and I just love it. Anyways I’m glad APink are still kind of aegyo but a little more mature because there all so young, I mean the youngest is 15 but if they tried doing the sexy stuff at that age it’d look wrong (aka Chocolat’s One More Day chair humping)

  69. You should listen to “Hello” on Hello Venus album. It’s good.

  70. You want more fun songs in your charts? Why not accepting Prepix’ What I See (2 weeks ago), Norazon’s Woman Person (last week), Mighty Mouth’s Bad Boy (this week)? Why do you accept so few MVs while so many are released and submitted to the charts? And how do you choose? Why do you pick the most full of aegyo if you don’t like that? It’s not as if there were no choice!

    • We’re not “not accepting” MV, we just didn’t know they were out there! It’s hard for just the two of us to keep up-to-date with the gazillion songs and music videos. 

      Please, you can submit music videos yourself by going to the kpop charts and click on the submit video button! As long as it’s not too old (like over a month) or in another language (Japanese) we’ll add it! Go go go! ^^

      • I do! I do it each time I see a new MV! So if you actually add every new MV in Korean that is submitted in the charts, then there is a problem with the “submit” function (what I’ve been thinking since HTDK actually, since some 2011 songs that I had submitted never made it either)

        • OMG SERIOUSLY!? Thank you so much for telling us this! We’ll look into it right away. I like Mighty Mouth and I totally didn’t know they had a new video. >: |

        • If it can help, sometimes when I submit a video, I have the message ” sorry, this  video has already been submitted”, but that video still never appears in the charts. So, conclusion 1: the submission has been taken in account by the system (but the system didn’t let you know), conclusion 2: it’s not only my submitted videos, other people have this problem!

        •  I have those same issues… I recently submitted Andamiro’s “Malgo” and it showed that message…

        • I’m trying to post VIXX’s new song, but I keep getting that message too!….but it never shows up on the Kpop charts…yet Psy’s hyuna version does the day after?

        • Wow…such an old post. Well I suppose this page is as good as any. Vixx’s video got accepted, it’s all set and ready to go, it just needs S&M to approve it. It’s kind of difficult when there’s 10 other videos waiting, and it doesn’t list it by date…sorry. :(

  71. Martina, I’m so happy to hear you speak again!!!
    Your voice is so SEXY HEY~~ xD

    I like your Kpop Fan Scale, although I’m surprised you didn’t come up with some more strange acronyms, lol. Or at least ones that sound like real words…how about something like…

    lol I dunno. Anyway this leads to something I’ve been thinking about for a while. I’ve noticed many people saying they dislike Kpop not because of the music/bands, but because of its fans. You’ve expressed displeasure or made witty attacks at fans who don’t behave decently, which is usually taken pretty well by your fans here. So:
    Do you think it would be possible to make some kind of “The Kpop Fans’ Ten Commandments”? Perhaps make a Facebook Question or the like where we can put together ideas, of the most helpful/annoying things Kpop fans do, in order to create a more decent fan community? Bashing other groups is a pretty obvious one, but also things that people aren’t aware of, that can be rather offputting for NKs. Like saying how hot Korean guys are, in front of your guy friends. It’ll turn them off in 5 seconds, trust me. ;)

    Personally, Korean is just one of the languages I listen to, along with English, Cantonese, Mandarin, Japanese, Thai, Indonesian, Malay, Vietnamese, Spanish, French, German, Tamil, Sinhalese, Italian, and several other languages I don’t know. I’ve traveled a lot, and lately I listen to the top 10 Youtube music videos from different countries everyday and collect the ones that sound nice. I only consider myself a fan of an artist if I’m willing to preorder/buy their CD without hearing it first; and to date there’s less than 5 bands/singers that fit into that category. One of them happens to be be Korean (guess who?). ;)

    • I haven’t traveled the world but my playlist contains song in english, spanish, russian, greek, japanese, mandarin, cantonese, portuguese, turkish, french, korean, italian… mainly pop music, but I also enjoy country, electronic, techno, folk… My point is, I love music and I don’t care that much if the performer is hot or if the MV is expensive, I just like music for what it is.

  72. I feel the same way about the cutesy stuff!  This is one of the reasons why I generally don’t follow girl groups (except 2NE1 because they aren’t your average cutesy group).  And Bilasa is also my exception.  What is this sorcery Bilasa?  How do you capture my heart so?  Also, Lee Joon’s aegyo is my other exception. ;)

    P.S. Your K pop fan culture scale is pretty interesting.  I think I would mostly fall into the M-KF category.

    • Agree. There’s something about Bilasa’s aegyo that does not annoy me. lol

      And Fairy Princess Lee Joon’s aegyo is cute too, because he doesn’t do it all the time. lol. Only on very special occasions.

  73. I have progressed through the ranks rather rapidly from N-K about 2 years ago to M-KF. There are a few bands that I follow rather closely. I could go on about how awesome I think they are, but then I could also go on about what they should improve to get better. I also pretend that the first year or so of U-KISS just didn’t happen. (Then again, so do they…)

  74. It feels like A Pink have tried to make the transition from young super innocent fairy cute to that more knowing, “Oops was that sexy?!” kind of cute ie SNSD’s Oh and Gee and they’ve just completely missed the mark. All the cute bits look forced and all the “sexy” bits look forced and none of it gels together properly. Also I know there’s only so many dance moves but lots of them are just pulled straight out of other groups’ choreography which I found very off-putting (plus most of them were the “sexy” bands like Miss A and Sistar which added to my confusion). And both of the songs are pretty terrible.

    I feel like if I was 6 or 7 again (and Korean) that Ulala session song and video would be my current life’s obsession, it’s just so much fun!

    Also probably an MA-KF. Love Kpop, read a lot of “news”, watch interviews and TV shows but don’t really have an obsession with any particular band and could still that The Boys was absolutely atrocious!

  75. i think i’m a  m-kf
    because even though i have bands i really love, i do have songs that i don’t particulairly like (like 2ne1 or snsd)
    and then i have songs that i really love by bands that i don’t particulairly like in general (like t-ara or wondergirls)

    btw, i quite like the song Venus.
     if you listen to it without the mv it actually doesn’t have a particularly cute sound,
     but i can’t really bear the mv :P

  76. Ugh, agreed, none of the songs this week have been great. Couldn’t even get through any of them. Ulala Session wasn’t my thing either.

    And haha, the only cutesy boy image I like is Bilasa’s too! xD
    Lastly, omg the scaling LOL. I’m a M-KF, definitely. I kinda dislike those crazy fans; mainly the ones who set rules that every fan should be “this” or you’re not a true fan. >.<

  77. I agree with your rant! sometimes a little bit of aegyo is nice, but many girl groups are so overdoing it….there are many girl groups whose members I can’t tell apart from the mv’s because they all act the same. why don’t they try to give the members different images? that would be much more interesting.
    and I also agree on your opinion on miss a, their debut was awesome! I would love to see more girl groups with a strong, fierce and confident appearance like them and 2ne1!

    according to your scale, I’m an M-KF XD
    there are some groups I really love and I want to know as much as possible about them, but I am still able to be objective and criticize them.
    those super extreme fans who just love everything about their group and can’t tolerate other opinions annoy me to hell >_<

  78. Even for the groups I really love, I consider myself a M-KF. Even when groups aren’t my favorites, I still usually know at least some details about them. And for groups who are my favorites, like right now U-KISS, BIGBANG, SHINee (and others, but these are my main examples) I can compare and contrast songs/mvs, and make preferences. For instance, I loved loved loved the songs and mvs for Neverland, Fantastic Baby, and Lucifer, but not so much for Doradora, Blue, and Sherlock… I still liked those ones, but I prefer the earlier mentioned ones. And I watch some of the shows and interviews, but not all, and only once they’ve been subbed, and if I actually have time to watch them.

  79. I guess the best example… of a cutey girl group turning 360 from being super aeygo to somewhat badass is  Dal Shabet with “Hit U”. Some may think they changed to quickly though.

  80. I belong to ”
    Middle Kpop Fan Culture” <3

  81. I think I fall in the (MA-KF) category.

  82. I think I fall into the M-KF to EM-KF when it comes to Big Bang.and 2NE1. :)

    Anyways, I also didn’t like HV’s new MV. I was kinda expecting something more powerful, just like After School but…:|

    And I do agree with your opinion on IU. I love how her company builds up her image as she matures without making drastic changes. :)

  83. I actually like cuteness and generally like it alot more in girl groups than in boy groups strangely enough. But that being said i think i learn towards disliking APink more in regards to their ‘cutesy’ image because it feels SOOOOSOOO forced to me (except for eunji because i’m biassed towards her ability to sing).
    I really want more bands like After School though, they are so underrated even though their concepts feel unique to me.

    Also i’m not really a fan of 2ne1 but i LOVED ‘go away’, the song and their live performances – have you seen it? it just looks like fun and i found the club dancethatsnotreallyadance + attitude cool, maybe cause i don’t mind autotune, but depends on the song~

    (E-KF) in regards to big bang, suju (MA-KF) for most others

  84. Is it just me or does the group of 5 school boys seen in HelloVenus’ video seem like a boy band being pre debuted for their debut in this video. Their presence seemed a bit too prominent for being back up dancers.

  85. I guess I am a M-KF.

    I do agree that the MV for APink’s “Hush” isnt very exciting… kinda makes me wonder if ACube is short of budget currently? Really love MVs for “I Don’t Know” and “My My” but “Hush” seems more like a dance version to me…

    Now i am hoping for a follow-up MV of either “Up To The Sky(feat.Joker)” or “Bubibu”. These two are great songs and would be a waste if they didnt perform them… 

    Good news is that they will perform “Bubibu” for their Inkigayo Comeback stage, so I’m looking forward to it.

  86. —-Delete This Comment Thanks—

  87. hey you forgot about IU’s new song!!

    •  “We’ve got a lot of rookie-like bands in this update, Hello Venus, A Pink, and ULALA Session. The only exception is with IU who released a 26 minute long “music video” on May 10th which is more like a documentary, but we won’t be talking about it today.” DID YOU READ?

  88. Yeey Martina’s voice is coming back!! So happy to hear it again 

    Well, I do agree with the opinions. The musics are not that bad, but the music videos are incredibly boring @_____@ K-pop producers and directors and whatever should think in a more creative way, groups like that could never compete with the higher groups out there x_____x’ where creativity is key to success. I guess the only video I liked was Ulalasession, because is freaking funny ._.
    Others…. meh… Leave aegyo to the old SNSD 8D 

  89. Hmm… I believe I’m in the MA-KF category as well unless of course the group in question is Big Bang then I fall into the EM-KF category.

  90. Even though I love kpop (2NE1 & BIGBANG), I feel extremely awkward watching what’s been produced by rookie groups as of late. I’m a guy and I realise that this is meant to be directed at me- to lure me to my nearest kpop store and trade the cash for their circle lenses and fake aegyo.. but this is all too much. Major respect to simonandmartina for voicing their opinions about this side of kpop.. but we all gotta keep in mind- this is POP music- manufactured and fun tunes for the korean enthusiast. We can’t expect some Adele material being pumped from these teenage girls.

    • Come to think of it, Korea doesn’t have their answer to Adele yet. If you know someone, please tell it to me. lol

      • Best hope for an Americanised deep sounding idol would be Ailee – check her cover of One Night Only. It’s amazing; truly a testament that Kpop idols can do so much more than the ‘OPPA HAJIMA HAJIMA!’ Also Lee Hayi from KPOPSTAR she’s only 15 but she has such a unique soulful voice like Duffy or Winehouse: Check her cover of Mercy :) 

        • JammySmoochie

          OMG, I already know Ailee and Lee Hayi. Ailee for me is more Beyonce than Adele though. Her song Heaven sounded Halo-ish, but I really like it and I can ignore the resemblance. And Lee Hayi is the bomb. She’s the closest to my dream of a Korean Adele/Amy Winehouse.

        • Ahhh, I love Ailee. She’s so talented.

      • You’re right.

    • Check out one of my favorites, Ali (알리), who sounds like no one I’ve heard in kpop. She has a real soulful jazz/blues-y voice and music. Some of her music also reminds me of Adele’s live/acoustic tracks. 

  91. Ooh~ Martina’s voice is recovering now. Cheers to that! :>

  92. I agree so much with you. Actually I’d love to show this scale to some people and ask them if they realize where they stand and how annoying it can be. I think I’m with Martina in my position, so yeah… what’s wrong about not liking sth from a band? In my opinion this shows how much more mature a fan you are b/c you’re actually able to differentiate and build an own opinion. :)

  93. i agree with ur rant btw, im a dead ass shinee fan …basically stalker status. however if i dont like their music , i just dont. 

  94. i love hello venus song.. so fuck u!!

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