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June 1, 2013

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CL “The Baddest Female” – Vote for it Here!

Well this is quite a dilly of a pickle we’re in. We have CL and EXO making their debut/comeback all in the same time period and we want to talk about both videos. Hrm. What to do what to do?!! Well let’s start by looking at CL. I wasn’t sure what to expect from her solo song. Would it be rap or pop or R&B? But then I felt like from the teaser pictures she was going the rap route…even though she totally stole my hairstyle. The hairstyle stealing wasn’t what hinted it to me. The decked out hiphop crew gave it away. So many bandanas and face masks. I remember when my high school banded anyone from wearing bandanas because there were too many gang related problems happening. Doesn’t seem to be a problem in Korea. Unless you meet that b-boy gang in the park that will breakdance you to death. Or the notorious Gangnam gang who will give you cut eye for having a more expensive bag. And the EYK Crew is notorious for their amazing street dancing skills. Yes, lots of scary gangs all well dressed and wearing matching outfits roaming around Korea. But seriously, it seems the YG family is returning to their rap roots with GD, Taeyang, and now CL. I’m a little torn about how I feel about it considering they’re using the hip hop lifestyle as a fashion statement rather than a reflection of their actual lifestyle. I don’t know, I still have to think more about it and get all my feelz together. If you haven’t seen CL’s new single “The Baddest Female” check it out here.

Exo “Wolf” – Vote for it Here!

Next up is EXO with their comeback video for “WOLF” or as we call it, “OULF”. There is a Korean word for wolf BTW, this is just them using the English word…in a terrible way…*sigh* Anyhoo, totally shocked once again. I didn’t expect this sound out of EXO. I avoided listening to any of the leaked stuff, so their legit video was the first time I heard their comeback sound. It’s not that I hate it, and it’s not that I love it, I just, I just…I just don’t know. Maybe kpop sounds are changing? We’re kind of torn about the whole thing and I think just like CL’s song, we need some time to listen to it and watch the videos again. I mean, the dancing is freaking awesome, that’s for sure, but the song as a whole…not sure about my opinion on it yet. I still feel like we’re going to review both of these songs because even if we pick one, the other will make it up for next week so i don’t want to elaborate too much on my feelings now. If you haven’t seen EXO’s crazy comeback, check out WOLF here.

Shinhwa “This Love” – Vote for it Here!

Last, but not least, is Shinhwa with “This Love” which is a song we actually really like, but the video is just kind of a typical meh kpop video with close ups of the band and their dancing, so we weren’t really moved by it. I did find the dance to be really unique, I loved the almost domino effect of each person moving bit by bit, but I found some of the dance moves to be a wee bit…feminine? And I don’t even know how to explain it because why should one dance be made for girls and not guys? I had the same reaction when I saw 2PM’s A.D.T.O.Y bum dance, it just seemed kind of a hip sway dance better suited for a less make-out song related video. I don’t know how to explain it, both Shinhwa and 2PM’s dance seemed almost ballet like? Like slow rubbing made for a slow R&B song? Digging a pit. Someone help me!!! Anyhoo, check out Shinhwa’s awesome song “This Love” here.

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  1. waiting for exo drama ver.? exotics should wait for another 10yrs to be out…. u know Sm rite?

    4 years ago
    • Well, seeing as how they already shot it, I suspect the drama version should be released sooner rather than later.

      4 years ago
      • released so much mv isnt effect the ‘point’ for music show? i mean…the viewer r less than release only 1 mv… even dance ver already hv korean/chinese ver…

        4 years ago
  2. I’m actually surprised that you talked about Shinhwa since the video is 2 weeks old. As far as the video is concerned, remember that Shinhwa started their own company. They really don’t have the money to waste on multiple big elaborate sets. This was done in I believe 2 locations. As far as the dance, (I’m sure you’ve read some of the comments) they took the Vogueing concept and put the Shinhwa flavor on it. They wanted to show a sexiness (without stripping more’s the pity) that can only be shown in your 30’s. They have the confidence and the sex appeal to be able to pull it off.

    Exo’s song, I’m on the fence about. There are some good parts and some parts I could do without. Personally, I like the live performances better than the video. I am looking forward to the drama version. After watching the live performance, I was left wanting to see a story. I felt that there needed to be one. Actually, it reminded me of a series of books from one of my favorite authors Sherrilyn Kenyon (the Were-Hunter/Dark-Hunter/Dream-Hunter series). I could see the Weres doing something like this if any of those books were to be made into a musical.

    CL’s song, I don’t really have much to say about. I only watched it once. I’m not sure if it’s for me, but I didn’t think it was bad.

    4 years ago
    • You have a good point there; this ain’t SM where they can have about 2394809234 different box sets per video XD

      4 years ago
      • I would have loved to see something more like YO!, All Your Dreams, Run, Angel, Throw My Fist, etc (something with a storyline) but 1.) this song isn’t one that a story line would really fit with and 2) I would rather see them spend the time and money on other things (although, I’m sure this video cost a pretty penny and iirc they filmed it in like 2 or 3 days pretty much straight through).

        4 years ago
        • I just have to say that I have a lot of respect for Shinhwa for staying in the game and releasing music this current (and totally killing it!!), while there are groups/solo acts that could be their kids. Like I said in my post below, This Love is one of my favorite songs of this year, and while I didn’t love Venus when I first heard it, it definitely grew on me. They are awesome ^^

          4 years ago
  3. I really liked CL and my own style is waaaaaaaaaay different from the hip hop world, Simon you said you were gangsta but I have always considered myself really into the hard rock/metal genre up until 3 years ago that the whole k-pop hit me… HARD *smack down* and about the cultural background, here in Colombia there is a lot of vallenato, salsa, “tropi-pop” and maybe punk, ska and metal is heard among the “alternative” crowd so, not much kpop or at least in my city anyway

    I like her video and song exactly for being unexpected, listening to it was almost like this: what in the world is this?…ok this is kinda good….and at the end chanting UNNIE UNNIE!

    Also I have to say this and I’m sorry if EXO fans get offended (not my intention) but in this video they are as agressive and dangerous as our siberian husky puppy chasing after our feet….they are just cute! sorry not buying all this “raised by wolves” they are so cute…actually we play around with him with this song :D

    4 years ago
    • That’s what I said… They look like a bunch of puppies growling at the squirrel in the front yard XD

      4 years ago
  4. In the Shinhwa video, who is the one with the slicked-back hair? The smoothness of his dancing is mesmerizing. They’re all good dancers, but he stands out.

    4 years ago
  5. I think it would be wiser to review EXO when the drama version is out, cuz Simon and Martina can talk loads of both version of EXO’s Wolf….
    So my point is, review CL first and EXO next week when drama version is out…

    4 years ago
  6. Meg

    Please wait for the drama version of Wolf to come out and review that! I don’t really want to watch you guys talk about it being kind of boring, it wasn’t to me cause I love watching people dance lol. As for what I think about the song, I think it’s alright. I hated it at first, but I’ve grown to love it. It’s probably the weakest song in their album though, but I’m kind of glad they made this their comeback song because it’s just so fierce and weirdly different, it makes them stand out.

    For CL I did like her song, but it’s not the best. The video and the song just made me think of a female version of GD

    I like Shinhwa’s song, but I haven’t seen the video yet ^^

    I think overall CL should be reviewed, then if Exo’s drama version comes out that will be next, but then Henry from Super Junior M is making a solo debut next week and I would LOVE if you guys reviewed him! I don’t know anymore >.< I'll watch you guys anyways!

    4 years ago
  7. I remember thinking that 2PM’s A.D.T.O.Y dance was a little feminine too but I actually really liked that about it. I think it’s cool to see the gender divide between specific types of dances being blurred, whether that’s a girl group breaking away from the sexy dances into something more intense and technical or a boy group moving from typical technical choreography to something more organic and sexy. The kind of switch up of having a boy group do a sexy, feminine dance is what made that video stand out to me.

    4 years ago
  8. Even though I want to see Lee Hyori on KMM, I kind of want to see a CL review….

    4 years ago
    • inorite? A Bad Girl KMM would be legendary!! I can see Simon ruining the sexiness of the video by donning a tube top and doing some of the dance moves from the dance video and live performance XD

      4 years ago
      • Plus! The Bad Girl has an interesting concept and story than just being a Bad Girl (that’s kind of why I admire Lee Hyori as an artist ^^).
        LOL it would be funnier if Simon donned the Hyori’s make-up like Martina did from her last make-up video xDD

        4 years ago
        • Like I said… Legendary XD And I like how the bad girl concepts are more fleshed out than the typical “bad girls are sexy, rawr!!” feel that most female performers go for; Hyori is misunderstood and CL is independent, but society wants to label them as “bad” because they refuse to conform. Very classy ladies!!

          4 years ago
  9. Hm…choosing between the two videos is really hard for me. Both of them had really good things to talk about and also bad ones. I would have to say EXO’s Wolf since the drama version hasn’t come out yet. In terms of Shinhwa, I heard they were doing this sort of Vogue concept with their MV. Pretty spot on might I add.

    4 years ago
  10. I’m one of those rare ones that honestly loves CL’s song and mv, and likes Exo’s comeback. I prefer for you two to do CL because I think the drama version (if there is one) will be more interesting to talk about. CL’s song really grew on me, especially the “Unnie ya~ woo~ Unnie, unnie” part :D I’ve never heard Shinwa’s song before, but it’s quite good!

    4 years ago
  11. This sounds a lot like the GD mixing and even the rap style is similar. I’m not a fan of the hood stylings. GD is making a statement, I feel like this is just…randoM? But mostly I feel like its a bit of regurgitation. *ducks to avoid CL fans* As for EXO, who composed that thing because it’s random AS HELL. Like whoa. What was the persont hinking when they came up with form. The choreography and the video FIT the song VERY well, but the song is …awesome in its parts but the sum total is…wacked. I’m not sure. I wanna see Vixx!

    4 years ago
  12. O.O I thought Shinhwa was living for disco…

    T_T

    And is that girl in their video Fuji Mina (Don’t know if I spelled her name right…)

    4 years ago
  13. I preordered EXO’s Xoxo album! So excited. Despite Wolf the rest of their songs are really good. Baby Don’t Cry, My Lady, Heart Attack all sound great. So far 2013 kpop songs just are not catchy and are different than last year to me. There has not been a song this year (well Lee Hi’s Rose) that caught my attention.

    4 years ago
  14. Had a complete OMG moment about the Shinhwa & 2 PM dances. That is what I was thinking. If some of those were moves would be done by a girl group it would it would have felt more appropriate (getting into why dances would feel more masculine or feminine is a whole big ball of social commentary I have no desire to dissect). Less…um guys can you stop feeling yourself up…we can all see you…wait till you get home for that would you. And this is coming from a fan of Shinhwa, my favorite Man Band!
    As for CL, I’m also torn. But the song itself is definitely going on me.

    4 years ago
    • It just looks like pure fanservice to me. They might be sacrificing a bit of their masculinity for them, but the fangirls/bois (because you can’t forget your fanbois ;D) will eat it up like no tomorrow XD

      4 years ago
  15. Thanks for doing Shinhwa. That was actually the first MV of thiers that I saw and I was blown away and they did so well while you guys were gone so I was a little upset that they weren’t going to be in the update/KMM (all the Nu’est are like “I know that feel bro) and so it was cool that you guys gave them some recognition.

    I would have also liked to see VIXX, sadly, I do not like “OOULF” despite being an exotic and CL just didn’t do it for me. (But GD’s chicken legs did give me a little giggle lolz)

    and as always: I LOVE YOU SIMON AND MARTINA!

    4 years ago
  16. Wait…. what did Simon said about Shinhwa that pissed the universe off? o.O

    4 years ago
    • I think he said something about their age in the K-Pop Chart Update they did for Venus last year

      4 years ago
      • It wasn’t just what they said about Shinhwa’s age. There was A LOT more to it, but I won’t bring it up again.

        4 years ago
        • Can you tell me…. I’m really lost @.@

          4 years ago
        • If you really want to know, you can read their past blog post and watch their chart update about Venus. Keep in mind that the fans waited for 4 years for Shinhwa’s comeback and also didn’t (and most still don’t) know or care about EYK.

          4 years ago
      • Their age? THAT’S what pissed them off? o.O

        4 years ago
  17. Would rather see you review VIXX or Shinhwa. Not really a fan of CL’s song or the new EXO song (even though I love them greatly). The other two are just better songs in general….and they don’t exactly get a lot of love usually on the kpop charts, so why not give them a shot :)

    4 years ago
  18. I…..am kinda disappointed. No VIXX? oh, alright. *sad face* Theeeeeeen, I choose CL! I think if EXO is having a drama version of their video, it’s better to wait until it comes out and theeeeen we’ll have our fun hahaha :D

    4 years ago
  19. Did you mean to say “banded” instead of “banned”?

    4 years ago
  20. A lot of people (even diehard Exotics) seem to be on the fence about Wolf. It’s kind of a disjointed and, frankly, really odd sounding song but I think it’s PERFECT for Exo’s comeback! Think of how wonderfully ridiculous and epic we thought Mama was last year! Exo’s songs have always been powerful and, face it, a little strange. That’s part of their charm! They’ve been so excited promising fans a fresher, fiercer, sexier concept for the new album and we got a freakin’ wolf pack! Isn’t that awesome???? The choreography and vocals are amazing and the live stage is too badass for words! The song will grow on you, and reading a translation of the lyrics definitely helps!

    4 years ago
    • Hmm… Fiercer and sexier for the ones that know how to look fierce and sexy :3

      4 years ago
      • Well they’re still a young group lol. I have too admit Luhan still looks a little too adorable, but dying his hair blood red for the live stage helped his ferocity! I’ll take him either way! ><

        4 years ago
        • http://funnykpopstuff.tumblr.com/post/51219643940

          This is definitely how I feel about the video. And OMJ, Luhan… He is older than me, and he makes me feel like a pedo. Only K-Pop, people Y_Y Only flipping K-pop!!!

          4 years ago
        • I know! I try not to over analyze my Luhan feels…they’ll just make my brain explode <3

          4 years ago
        • Even the Taemin, who is older than me by two or three months, made me feel like a pedo when I saw the teasers from Sherlock (ofc, *ALL* of them set off that vibe, so… idk?)

          4 years ago
  21. Regarding CL, I really like the song and the MV and I feel like you could do more with it in the context of skits and what not.

    EXO’s MV was boring. I’d rather you wait until the Drama Version so that you can actually talk about the video on something other than choreography and SM Boxes.

    4 years ago
    • I’m usually bored by SM boxes but I felt the choreography made up for it by a long shot.

      4 years ago
      • Same here. I was not bored with Exo’s song. And this is coming from someone who has a grudge on SM and their MVs and delusional fans. The dance was spectacular, so I enjoyed it.

        4 years ago
      • Yeah, it was the same with Catch Me. The choreography was so epic that I didn’t really mind that the set was simple. And the few effects that did exist in both Catch Me and Wolf really enhanced the dance rather than distracting from it. Remember when Simon and Martina said they preferred the dance version of Sherlock to the story version? SM is just not great with plots in their videos but sometimes their groups have some pretty sick and unique choreography, so I’m kind of glad they didn’t try to splice up the dance amongst a sloppy story. Super Junior’s dance videos are kind of boring because they often have simpler dances. But really creative and complex dance routines like Wolf, Catch Me, and Sherlock are really nice to just watch start to finish. Also… I’m not at all convinced their will be a story version. SM releases unrelated trailers all the time.

        4 years ago
        • I’m not convinced there will be a drama version either. Not after IGAB (which I was anticipating a lot despite not being a GG fan).

          But SM has sick choreos for their groups, so maybe that’s why they don’t do much of anything else but SM boxes. I prefer to interpret their dances that see some cliche plots with other idols groups (not all of them are cliche though). It pains me to see people diminishing the value of their videos solely because there is no a blunt story told by some people acting in a video. It’s like SM is almost screaming at you that their focus has always being the music and the dances, and people is still expecting some lame plot for a video.

          4 years ago
  22. Oh Simon… The more you keep saying old, the worst off the sh*t storm is gonna be. And if there is one, I’m so there :3 I love you guys tons and realize that you’re two people who happen to be very opinionated, but those super fans… They’re just so blindly dedicated to everything their faves release, that it’s ridiculous how they defend them. *ahem* TL;DR – Keep digging yourself in that hole Simon, because I’ve got the popcorn :3

    Anyway… I’ve already written my opinion to the death on Wolf (kind of cracky, but I love it) and The Baddest Female (bastard song grew on me) on their respective videos, so I prefer to not go there now. I will say this about Wolf, though; that drama version is going to be flawless if the teaser is anything to go by :3 Shinhwa’s This Love, though; it’s awesome!! :D It’s got this EDM-esque beat that made me love SJ-M’s Breakdown, and chorus is amazingly catchy and danceable ^^ Hands down, it’s up there with my fave songs of this year!! And dat engrish… I’m totally shouting “It’s automatic systematic in this universe” (yes, that *is* what the second rapper is saying during the breakdown) when I’m feeling bored :3 You guys might have escaped SM, but you haven’t escaped their epically random engrish phrases, circa electronica manic supersonic bionic energy; which is the way I like it ;)

    4 years ago
    • Don’t forget that they say “dis love” instead of “this love”
      and now every single time I sing along I say it the same way. DARN YOU, YOU CATCHY SONG!

      4 years ago
      • Their pronunciation of “this” is fine from my years’ point of view haha. Isn’t “th” supposed to be pronounced something between between “d” and “t” when at the beginning of the world? Confused. I live in UK and heard lots of people pronouncing it like that, it’s good that they didn’t go for the russian variant for “th” as “z”

        4 years ago
        • true enough, the Russian z would have been worse.

          Maybe its just because I’m a TEFL teacher that I noticed it, and my pronunciation senses tingled. And granted, a lot of fluent English musicians mispronounce words all the time. It just tickles that inner English-teacher-red-pen in my brain.

          It doesn’t ruin the song by any means, this has quickly become one of my favorite songs of the year.

          4 years ago
  23. Lea

    The dance Shinhwa did is called Vogueing… It’s kind of more of a “gay” thing… *dies from thumbs down* But seriously, considered a huge genre of dance for those of all sexualities BUT it had its origins there. *runs away*

    4 years ago
    • I am not really sure why you need to run away…Vogueing actually originated from the Harlem 1980’s ballroom scene – mostly Latin and African American styles of dance. Only later did it develop into something the gay ballroom scene has embraced. Many prominent artists who are not gay have used it, including Madonna (she’s the one who made it popular in her song “Vogue”, Chris Brown, and Beyonce, among others. It’s a highly stylized art dance form and takes a lot of hard work, strength, and form to complete it as magnificently as Shinhwa did.

      4 years ago
    • Vogueing is awesome, though XD Kind of wish they had a more technically difficult dance, though. They murder dem fangirl hearts doing those moves, but man is that such a wasted opportunity :/

      4 years ago
      • Well, they’ve had a plethora of the more technical difficult in your face dances in the past. Shinhwa is known for trying new things and “leading” the way. They were the first to incorporate ballet type moves with T.O.P, they incorporated chairs in Wild Eyes (and see how popular chairs have become), they incorporated female dancers into the routine for Brand New, etc. This is just another new thing that they are doing. They wanted to portray a sexiness that could only be done in your 30’s (without striping) and I think they nailed it.

        Honestly though, while vogueing might not be that strong of a dance, it is very technical and can be very strenuous. You are contorting your body in different ways and need to make sure that you hit every point so it looks like what it’s supposed to be (high fashion).

        4 years ago
        • See, and here I thought they were doing such an easy dance because they broken their bodies from too much kpop dancing and are too old to do it any more ;) Seriously, vogueing is about as difficult as any other dance, I’m not sure that I see the “leadership” here. To me, (don’t kill me, this is the first I’ve seen of Shinwha) they look like they’re trying too hard to be too young. They’re still sexy, they’ve still got moves (heck they’re not THAT old – though they did look older than their 30s to me…..), why not show it off doing something technically complicated? If I was the choreographer, I would have had them do a dance-off style of dance, they would only need one showcase move each, but it would be more impressive than just vogueing in a line. While the formula seems to work for most kpop bands, I think that they need to move beyond it in order to keep moving forward. Younger and more athletic dancers will always win if you give them a straight on battle, being older means knowing how to use your experience to your advantage, how to showcase your mad skillz. I did like the song though, very dance-able.

          4 years ago
        • Well…. They did break their bodies from doing too much Kpop dancing, tumbling, acrobatics, being completely wild, etc. ^^ Hyesung has a blown out knee that needs surgery, Andy has a bad back (slipped discs I think), JunJin had to have surgery last year on his back, and I think Minwoo so minor issues too. They played waaaaayyyyyy too hard and didn’t take care of themselves!

          I disagree with the looking like they’re trying too hard to be young. I think if a full vogueing dance would have been tried by younger groups, they wouldn’t be able to pull it off (there have been other groups that have had some moves that could be considered vogueing but Shinhwa is the first Korean group to have it as a full dance). Shinhwa has the confidence and experience to be able to pull it off. That’s not to say that even they weren’t a bit hesitant about doing it. When they first saw the dance the reactions were kinda like “OMG!”, “Can we really do something like that?”, etc. The other song that was competing for the title song position (Scarface) would have called for a strong and intense dance, but This Love and this dance won for the title song position and I think it was a good decision (and apparently so does a lot of other people since it won it’s 6th award).

          Anyways, they could have shown a strong dance like every other group out there, but Shinhwa just isn’t like that. They have always been pushing the boundaries and doing the unexpected. As one person said in their reaction video “Shinhwa’s got nothing to prove”. They don’t need to prove that they can still do the high impact, moves. And vogueing is technically complicated. Each member is doing their own poses and there are only a few times when they are doing an in-sync dance. That means that the “weaker” dancers need to be able to stand on their own because they aren’t able to follow the main dancers.

          umm…..sorry. Didn’t mean for that to get that long. XD

          4 years ago
        • Thanks for bringing me up to speed. However, I just watched the video again and in the nicest possible way I am gonna call BS on “vogueing” being hard to do. If you dance, you should have the grace and finesse to do “vogueing”. I am not sure what “vogueing” is supposed to be but what Shinwha were doing is basic ballet. And by “basic ballet”, I mean the stuff that ties together all the hard moves. Yeah, it’s challenging to make it look smooth and graceful but I can’t imagine anyone getting to be where this group is without having an even much higher level of skill with the dancing. Yeah, I guess it would be challenging to dance like this if you are injured but they only do about 1 second of dancing per shot and 50% of the video (or more) is just sexy walking. Dancing like this is a bit like tai-chi, those slow moves look easy but they take a lot more control. But for 1 second at a time, most people with decent balance could pull it off. I think of Patrick Swayze and how his dancing career ended prematurely and I can see it in these guys when I re-watched. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to diss the Shinwha, I’m more dissing the whole “vogueing” fangirling. You don’t have to be flashy or fly through the air to have skills but I really have to use my trained eye to see anything beyond basic dancing in this video. I don’t have to have a trained eye though to see the struggle these guys are having trying to get to a similar level with younger groups. Only 3-4 of the members even make it into the foreground, the rest are even overshadowed by the (also older) backup dancers. I feel their desperation for one last hurrah, I hope they get it. I just could have wished for some kind of some way of higher impact in the video, it didn’t necessarily have to be in the dancing. Maybe more facial expressions and energy or a better background or scene change, or even better editing could have helped. Everything just seemed kind of calculated and robotic and not in a good way. This was also the first video where the editing was annoying enough for me to notice (on first viewing no less). I’m not sure how this video got an award already when it just came out so recently but, as with a lot of Korean competitions, I just don’t get it. Maybe it’s me.

          4 years ago
        • We can agree to disagree on the dancing and what you call “Fan-girling” of the dance. By the way, I never said the dance was hard to do. I did say the dance was still technical. The dance and the song are being well received so frankly, your opinion is just that; your opinion.

          However, you seem to be under a bit of a misconception. I’m not sure if you have ever watched any BTS or Making videos, but the artists do not just dance for a second and then rest then dance for another part of the dance for a second. They (and I’m not just talking about Shinhwa, I’m talking about all idols) perform the full dance multiple times in a row over and over again. Not to mention in their live stage they don’t just dance for a second. Shinhwa is hitting the poses one by one and sometimes holding the poses for way more than just a second. But as I said before, we can agree to disagree.

          As for your idea of “their last hurrah”; they don’t need one. They have a very loyal fanbase that will stick with them however long they want to go (and they have no plans at the moment of stopping). As I said in my earlier comment, they have nothing to prove.

          Also, I never said that the video (which has been out for 2 weeks) won any awards, but Shinhwa and This Love have won 6 awards from the music shows.

          So, in conclusion, You don’t like the song or dance, and I do. That’s fine. We can part and go our separate ways. You can go watch whatever you want and like, and I will continue to watch what I like.

          ~cheers.

          4 years ago
        • Whoa whoa whoa. I am so sorry for the misunderstanding. If I object to the “fangirling” on vogueing, I didn’t mean you in particular (although I did reply to your comment so I can see how I didn’t make myself clear on that), there seems to be lots of “vogueing is awesomely hard and pretty” even just on this page, I think that you did an extremely well thought out explanation of your opinion and I don’t think that you in particular were all “fangorilla-ing” on it. I really learned a lot from your post and I don’t think that we disagree that much, perhaps I am not explaining myself well enough. It was very late at night when I posted so….well….anyways….. As I got to the end of my last post, I realized that editing could have been giving a negative impression of the dancing to me. It’s like Janet Jackson in one of her videos did an amazing backflip off a speaker and kept on dancing, however the editing chopped the scene and made it look like they staged it and that she didn’t actually land the flip. This is when she picked a new director and went a better direction starting with Rhythm Nation. I have seen tons of “behind the scenes” and “makings of” and I have had a lot of years in dance myself as well, I KNOW that they don’t just shoot it once. I apologize if I have offended you and.or Shinwha with my post. Yes, I guess that Shinwha doesn’t need “one last hurrah” perhaps I got a little carried away with flowery language. But they are getting older and where Korea seems to worship youth and fitness, they will have to end their career at some point, especially if they are in any way injured. Kpop idols get pushed to the max not just in their abilities but in their whole life and this takes a toll their bodies. I hope they go on for many years, I enjoyed the song and the video but I found something was off in the video and now I am going to claim that it was the choppy editing. I did like the dance and it had some inventiveness but I think because of the lack of continuity it was harder to appreciate. I should see if I could find a live version of the dance. I have seen you around here unicornsgalaxy, I always enjoy your posts, thanks for replying to mine <3

          4 years ago
        • First, my ‘e’ button isn’t working at the moment so I have to paste it in. If you see it missing in any words it just means I forgot to paste! How annoying!!! LOL

          Anyways, I’m sorry if I my tone came off as being a bit harsh. You didn’t really offend me (and I doubt Shinhwa would read any of this and if they did, they wouldn’t care :D ).

          I honestly don’t notice editing or anything like that when watching videos. I usually only watch a video once or twice (unless they are super weird and have lots going on in them like epik High’s Don’t Hate Me or GD’s solo works). As for watching the live shows, sometimes they have really crappy camera work so even then it doesn’t show the dance to it’s fullest. I think Music Bank has had the best camera work so far.

          As for the issue of age in kpop, I don’t thing that we give S. Korea enough credit. Yes the market is saturated with younger idols and more and more debuting every year, but what we as international fans see isn’t always what is being reflected in Korea. For example, take the last MAMAs (end of year awards in case you didn’t know). everyone thought exo or bap would win the best new male artist, but instead Busker Busker won because they are really popular there. Also, just recently Cho Young Pil had been topping the charts in Korea with his pop song Bounce and he is in his 60’s. Psy had done well and he is older than Shinhwa, and both Shinhwa and Lee Hoyri have been doing well.

          Yes Shinhwa and other “older” artist will eventually end their career, but that doesn’t have to be any time soon. They are gaining more and more new and younger fans, plus keeping their “older” fans. Yes, each member could have successful solo careers as actors, producers, solo artists, variety, etc, but as long as they want to keep promoting as Shinhwa, they will still have a fan base.

          Ok, that was seriously annoying having to paste the ‘e’ in all the time!!! Next time I’m just going to use the number 3 as my ‘e’!

          4 years ago
        • Why is it that I think they nailed it but in very different ways not previously intended? And I’m not talking about the choreography itself, but the certain fluidity within all of their moves. I just thought they looked really flamboyant. I loved it, so I don’t see why people would say it’s otherwise, as if it was wrong or something (not referring to you, but others)

          4 years ago
        • I’m not sure if I totally get your meaning, but I do agree with the fluidity of their movements except for some of my awkward stiff Syungie’s moves but that’s his charm!. I wouldn’t say flamboyant (except maybe sassy dancer) but there is a stand-outishness (I made a word!) to it.

          4 years ago
        • Whoa! I didn’t even know you listened to it! LOL.

          4 years ago
        • Ummm it and Hyde I both listened to the same day (both quite a bit after they were released). And I clicked around and I was like “OK I actually like this chorus” And put it in a tab like I do w/ quite a few songs for these vids. And then I listen to the ones I didn’t initially DL day1 (Only ADTOY and Tarzan were DLd b4 tonight lol.) and decide how much I actually like them.

          5th was the hardest because there were like 4 songs that I kinda sorta liked but not a ton.

          Edit: I’m way too much of a procrastinator, I have 55 tabs now. About 3 are static, the rest are songs/vids/articles that I just can’t seem to motivate myself to finishing so I can get rid of them. I add tabs faster than I remove them.

          4 years ago
        • Oh~ Good point!!! I never really tried voguing before (it’s not my thing; I like a bit of pop stuff, but with a dash of musical-esque boldness mixed in :3), but I assumed it looked easy since you’re just moving one part of your body at a time.

          4 years ago
      • Lea

        Fo’ sho’! I totally love voguing. I am glad to see them doing something different than the standard normal dances.

        4 years ago
      • I really, really, really love the song, but I can’t watch the video or live performances. The “Voguing” does absolutely nothing for me. I’m glad they had fun with it though.

        4 years ago
        • I kind of giggled at those parts. You don’t really see guys voguing in videos in the States (you don’t really see guys dancing at all, but… *grumble grumble complain*), but I thought it cool of them to do it.It just shows how many cares they don’t give about keeping up appearances, because they’ve been in the game for so long.

          4 years ago
        • Oh, yeah! I totally agree with the “it shows how many cares they don’t give” part. Their dance is pure fun for me, they have such a diva attitude to them.

          4 years ago
        • Oh those pants, it’s like they took my grandma’s living room set and made themselves a matching wardrobe. The one who wins for me is, okay I don’t know know there names, is the guy with the slicked back hair. He owned that outfit, his cowlicked hair and the dance :)

          They are Shinhwa, they can do anything they want because they do make awesome music, plus have devoted fans.

          4 years ago
        • About the outfits, truer words my dear! haha. But that’s the case for the black/white outfit only, the white/grey/purple one in some individual shots is soo cool! Plus I think they had better outfits in some of the later live shows.

          4 years ago
        • I’d actually seen the story about Eric and his nylons before, oh yeah and the cross dressing. I think that is what was lacking here, he should have come out with his black nylons on while he was voguing. ;)

          4 years ago
  24. I think you should do VIXX!! CL’s is great (to me) but everyone is half/half about it. And EXO~ well… you should wait for the DRAMA version i think. I know there’s ALOT you guys could talk about with VIXX. pleaseeeee CHOOSE VIXX, plus I feel like this is the last week VIXX will be able to remain in the top 3…

    4 years ago
  25. Simon… too much chest hair!

    4 years ago
  26. Why no vixx? I love them, and they probably won’t last another week… >:(

    4 years ago
  27. I’m just meh about CL’s debut song/mv. I’m not surprised she went the hip hop route, I just wished the whole thing didn’t feel like a GD “one of a kind” redux. CL is on par with GD and I just expect something more original from her.

    As for Shinhwa, I don’t think that was a typical kpop video. No boy group out now would have done voguing as their dance. It is a bit femine, it’s voguing after all but theirs just a level of confidence that Shinhwa exudes, that just sells the whole thing for me.

    4 years ago
  28. I prefer Hyde over all of them but I choose Exo between those options.

    4 years ago
  29. I’m half and half with CL’s song. I love CL and 2NE1. I don’t LOVE the song but I don’t HATE it either. >.< Hmmm since you guys really want the drama version of EXO to come out, how about do CL for this week and do EXO for whenever the drama version comes out? Just throwing a suggestion out there. ^^

    4 years ago
  30. Ah, no shout-out for VIXX promoting literacy with Hyde? No? Okay then. *votes for them anyway*

    As a blackjack, I was really disappointed with CL’s song. It just felt like they were making her the female version of GD. This Love is an awesome song, but I’m not really digging the “Vogue” feel to the MV. Wolf …. I’m taking the 5th on that one.

    4 years ago
  31. Simon’s manly sexy chest hair hhahahaha

    4 years ago
  32. I watched CL’s video for the first time today during my school’s kpop club meeting. Our club teacher supervisor thought CL was the Korean version of Nikki Minaj :/ I had to agree with him to some extent (I’m sorry)! I don’t listen to 2NE1 and this song didn’t really have much of an impact to me. Just felt okay I guess.

    With Wolf, I really liked the beginning of the song but around the point where the 12 join together, the song started to get super confusing to me. I really hate the distinct mashing of sounds and stuff like that. When it’s subtle it’s OK but I don’t like it when they put too much. I couldn’t really understand the song. They all looked good though xD

    Why didn’t you put VIXX’s Hyde in your charts update? They are number 3 and it’s not like I don’t love Shinhwa (in fact, I grow more in love with them every day) but I think you should have included Hyde since they were there for maybe 2 weeks now and didn’t get recognition last nonexistent update due to your trip. I was looking forward to your thoughts but we’ll probably never know now since it won’t survive until next week.

    4 years ago
    • Even though Nicki Minaj looks more and more like a troll doll every time I see, i have to agree with that sentiment (Oh~ I felt that one Y_Y)

      4 years ago
  33. I think you should do either CL or VIXX and wait until the he Drama version of EXOs Wolf is released.

    4 years ago
    • If they wait for the drama version to come out we could be waiting for ages. I REALLY WANT EXO TO BE REVIEWED!!

      4 years ago
    • You should know SM by now. They release teasers that have nothing to do with the video. EXO’s WOLF is really called a music video not a dance version which they usually call the video with only dance. So there will probably never be a drama version released.

      4 years ago
    • But a drama version isn’t even confirmed? It could happen like I got a boy and the drama teaser never became anything more than that, a teaser.

      4 years ago
      • That’s true. Some of the MAMA MV footage was only ever shown at concerts/showcase stuff. Still hoping for the full drama version though, cause they put like over a week into that video and it would be a shame if it never saw the light of day. But in the end SM are Trolls so i guess all we can do is think happy thoughts and hope are dreams come true. (that last bit sounded more Disney than intended)

        4 years ago
        • If SM spent that much money to film something over the course of a week i’d hope they’d have the sense to release it at some point.

          4 years ago
    • The drama version of Wolf is gonna be awesome, but I’d rather hear them talk about the amazing choreography! I mean, really! That cool tree at the beginning? Wolf ears and Thriller-esque clawing? That chomping move with the arms? Love it! ^^

      4 years ago
    • totally agree with you there! but i think vixx would give them more stuff to work with than cl if you consider m/v + music + dance

      4 years ago
  34. CL, the baddest female needs to win

    4 years ago
  35. i like CL’s song, but i don’t think it’s the best she could have done. the MV is awesome though.

    4 years ago
  36. just wondering, why no vixx??

    4 years ago
  37. what about vixxs hyde guys…I could tell from the livechat that simon didnt really liked it..or actually his tone of voice but why didnt u include it in the kpop charts :(

    4 years ago
    • yeah! VIXX have alot of international fans dont worry, I have been a fan since their debut and during their super hero era and rock ur body, they were not that well known, well i think, and I noticed that after their on and on release they have gotten more and more attention. Well ive noticed that on tumblr, for example, it used to be hard to find a lot of vixx fans (i think sometimes I never paid attention) but now I see them more often :D and also noticed that Leo is probably the most popular among int. fans too along with N and Ken

      4 years ago
    • lol seriously guys, you shouldn’t assume people’s opinions based on their tone of voice ^^;

      Every week, about 10-20 awesome MVs are added to the charts, but only 3 are discussed in the updates – so it’s pretty normal for songs in the top 3 to miss out on the kpop chart updates. S&M don’t exclude videos because they dislike it – heck, I remember they included Hyuna’s Gangnam Style just cos it was so bad. They just choose whoever they feel like discussing, basically, and since they haven’t done these updates for a while – it makes sense that they pick an older song.

      But yea. Vixx’s video is interesting. Check it out people: http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/kpopcharts/vixx-hyde/

      4 years ago
      • Not to sound like a jerk, but doesn’t that kind of defeat the purpose of voting on the charts? I’m a big EYK fan and I like it either way, but sometimes I wish they’d go back to just picking the songs they want to do. Just food for thought

        4 years ago
        • They choose the top three, so it still does count… it just adds less room for fandom wars haha! (since we all try to get it in at least the top three ;D)

          4 years ago
        • Why would the artists that get picked for the updates have anything to do with the voting? It’s about what’s new or recently released.

          4 years ago
        • It does have some to do with it. I don’t watch every video in the chart, so often some have been brought to my attention that I never would have seen. And then if I like it, I might go vote for it. And then if I like them, I’ll probably look out for them in the future, like fuuko4869 was saying. So it can affect the popularity of a certain group or song.
          That said, there’s not a ton of time after the update so it probably matters more in the long run, but it still can have an affect on the short term as well if a lot of people end up liking it.

          4 years ago
        • And what is the purpose of the charts, pray tell?

          4 years ago
        • Actually I think the songs selected for the updates do have an impact on voting. In the past they’ve openly tried to steer people towards voting for one song or another. One might be “gold, pure gold” whereas another they might just not be feeling. I have no problem with this–I want them to review songs they like for KMM–but I think the updates can make a difference.

          4 years ago
    • We actually really liked the Shinhwa song, and it did well on our KpopCharts when we were in Singapore, and we wanted the chance to talk about Shinhwa in a nice way. It’s pretty popular as well, as it’s got over 1.2 million views. These KpopCharts update is for both what’s on our KpopCharts, and what music videos are doing well (even if they rank low on the charts)

      4 years ago
      • I’ve always loved that you include videos from various places on the chart. There are many great songs and/or videos out there that do not get enough attention because the bigger more biased ones tend to reign over the top three spots most of the time. If I remember correctly when you talked about Nu’est’s “Face” it was actually like in 7th place or lower, yet because of including them on the updates I and I’m sure many other’s were introduced to them and their placement on the charts has grown exponentially since then. Guys, seriously thanks for all the awesome music you introduce me too. ^_^

        4 years ago
      • Actually I really, really love that you guys don’t just talk about the top 3 ^^. There are a lot of amazing videos that deserve to be mentioned but will never in a million years get enough votes for a KMM.

        4 years ago
      • Yeah I understand, thanks guys for clearing it up. Sorry if I sounded like a butt hurt fan girl ^^

        4 years ago
      • yeah, i can see your point, but still, i wish you had mentioned vixx since they were never this high on the kpopcharts and probably won’t last another week…=(

        well, hopefuly on their next comeback you’ll get the chance to talk about them ^^

        4 years ago
    • i was wondering about that myself!
      not only it’s in 3rd place on the kpop charts, but the song, dance and m/v are really good and go really well together.

      4 years ago
  38. YAY! Thank you for including Shinhwa’s “This Love” on the Kpop chart updates! It’s such a great song and I’ve been playing it endlessly the last few days. Really think more people need to hear this song! The video isn’t my favorite but the song is so great that I don’t care. Okay, I do still think the back up dancers should have been women. :)

    4 years ago
  39. Mav

    Could not concentrate with all that chest hair…………………………………………….
    I… can’t…… the baddest female is a no no for me…. I mean I feel different about it every time I hear it.. the video though… pure gold, bring the snark guys just bring it.

    4 years ago
    • I’ve been making a point to not talk further about CL’s video but I do have one thing to say and it’s towards YG, not CL. I’m a big YG stan but *sigh* lately YG videos feel like a cluster duck of how much sponsored clothing/jewelry/etc from different companies they can fit into a video and its just straight up getting tacky. They were doing it tastefully but now it’s like let’s have 20 different outfit changes, we must get the truck load of sponsored goods into this 4 minute video.

      I shall be maimed and killed now.

      4 years ago
      • lol true but think on the bright side….

        at least YG doesn’t have ads IN THE FREAKING VIDEO

        -_-”

        4 years ago
  40. I dont like CL’s song AT ALL, but the video had alot of stuff in it, I think you could pull more skits and talk more about it than the others :>

    4 years ago