CL “The Baddest Female” – Vote for it Here!


Well this is quite a dilly of a pickle we’re in. We have CL and EXO making their debut/comeback all in the same time period and we want to talk about both videos. Hrm. What to do what to do?!! Well let’s start by looking at CL. I wasn’t sure what to expect from her solo song. Would it be rap or pop or R&B? But then I felt like from the teaser pictures she was going the rap route…even though she totally stole my hairstyle. The hairstyle stealing wasn’t what hinted it to me. The decked out hiphop crew gave it away. So many bandanas and face masks. I remember when my high school banded anyone from wearing bandanas because there were too many gang related problems happening. Doesn’t seem to be a problem in Korea. Unless you meet that b-boy gang in the park that will breakdance you to death. Or the notorious Gangnam gang who will give you cut eye for having a more expensive bag. And the EYK Crew is notorious for their amazing street dancing skills. Yes, lots of scary gangs all well dressed and wearing matching outfits roaming around Korea. But seriously, it seems the YG family is returning to their rap roots with GD, Taeyang, and now CL. I’m a little torn about how I feel about it considering they’re using the hip hop lifestyle as a fashion statement rather than a reflection of their actual lifestyle. I don’t know, I still have to think more about it and get all my feelz together. If you haven’t seen CL’s new single “The Baddest Female” check it out here.

Exo “Wolf” – Vote for it Here!


Next up is EXO with their comeback video for “WOLF” or as we call it, “OULF”. There is a Korean word for wolf BTW, this is just them using the English word…in a terrible way…*sigh* Anyhoo, totally shocked once again. I didn’t expect this sound out of EXO. I avoided listening to any of the leaked stuff, so their legit video was the first time I heard their comeback sound. It’s not that I hate it, and it’s not that I love it, I just, I just…I just don’t know. Maybe kpop sounds are changing? We’re kind of torn about the whole thing and I think just like CL’s song, we need some time to listen to it and watch the videos again. I mean, the dancing is freaking awesome, that’s for sure, but the song as a whole…not sure about my opinion on it yet. I still feel like we’re going to review both of these songs because even if we pick one, the other will make it up for next week so i don’t want to elaborate too much on my feelings now. If you haven’t seen EXO’s crazy comeback, check out WOLF here.

Shinhwa “This Love” – Vote for it Here!


Last, but not least, is Shinhwa with “This Love” which is a song we actually really like, but the video is just kind of a typical meh kpop video with close ups of the band and their dancing, so we weren’t really moved by it. I did find the dance to be really unique, I loved the almost domino effect of each person moving bit by bit, but I found some of the dance moves to be a wee bit…feminine? And I don’t even know how to explain it because why should one dance be made for girls and not guys? I had the same reaction when I saw 2PM’s A.D.T.O.Y bum dance, it just seemed kind of a hip sway dance better suited for a less make-out song related video. I don’t know how to explain it, both Shinhwa and 2PM’s dance seemed almost ballet like? Like slow rubbing made for a slow R&B song? Digging a pit. Someone help me!!! Anyhoo, check out Shinhwa’s awesome song “This Love” here.

  1. I agree with the “Wolf” song … it’s a bit awkward how the music changes the beats kind of too fast… but the English pronounciation was alright
    …and Shinwa . I agree. Awesome song! video not quite… but ppl when they watch a music video they’re listening mostly for the song. totally buying worthy!

  2. I really don’t like it, I didn’t expect 2ne1 or cl to do suck a boring and bad song (just my opinion ),

  3. I’m surprised that VIXX is still Top 3. They weren’t even mentioned in kpopchart updates.. I was MBLAQ would’ve taken their spot, but seems like they took Boyfriend’s spot instead. Haha S&M you guys should really review VIXX!! The song is great, the dance is amazing and relates to the song, the MV has so many things to talk about, those worms, snakes and bugs, and the black wings!! >< I know MBLAQ is gonna get reviewed but…. I hope I'm wrong D:

    • VIXX’s music video for “Hyde” is more on the serious side and I like it when they’re not examined too much (these types of music videos)… but I think they’d have to say something about the actress, that didn’t play too well at that part where Leo can’t control himself and grabs her neck and the look on her face while staring back doesn’t show anything… maybe it was at the director’s instructions… they should’ve done a re-take… maybe it’s just me…other than that the video’s perfect….well nothing can be perfect…

      …well they were mentioned in the kpopchart updates :) *hope you saw it*

      it’s an instant fave, the song!!( at least for me)

  4. I wouldn’t normally listen to the pop genre of any country, although I like Kpop better than anything in english because at least I can’t get the entire song stuck and looping in my head, but I love the reviews you guys do so much regardless of genre that I always watch them. That being said, I’m not sure exactly what it was about Olf but it just bothered me, and I’m sure you could articulate it better if you reviewed it. One part of the chorus was more like talking than singing, almost as if they were kids in a class being forced to spout out some annoying anthem in monotone- just didn’t like that part and it sounds like they didn’t either. Speaking of forced noises, the growling was horrendous and ruined it for me. I liked the tree thing and the wolf transition animation, but otherwise this song was lacking and it was the least favorite EXO song I’ve heard.

  5. Shinhwa was awkward…. :0

  6. Funny that CL got the butt end of the “gangsta” as fashion statement versus lifestyle. I remember that was my biggest beef with YG Family. I mean when you wear bandanas, underwear showing, and shirts half on while singing about the YMCA for a movie about baseball in Korea, it just seems a little – weird (BTW G-Dragon is in that video was before Big Bang) I never really got bothered with it with G-Dragon because he is just uh weird with some of his fashion choices. I mean, mixing in a little Axl Rose in his One of Kind is just odd. But in a good way.

    EXO reminds me SO much of H.O.T. It is like SM thought “Hey, let’s try and make them work again” They have a much more “rock-gangstaish-drama-pop” that seems pretty much exclusive to Korea. I mean H.O.T I loved since everything about them seemed like a mish-mash of stuff. They would be dropping n-bombs in castles, and in the middle of the song with be beautiful ballad singing AND screamo yelling. It really made no sense, but that is why I LOVED THEM.

    I like Shinhwa’s feminine dancing. I feel like guys get ripped off. Girls can wear pants and dance “manly” (or at least not in a obviously sexy way) but guys can’t. Or rather it just seems weird. My guess they were trying to do a vogue-ing throw back, or trying to make a dance so the female fans can dance to in clubs.

  7. lol. “Bad as in good” It’s funny because it’s ridiculous. I don’t understand all this “I’m so bad” stuff. Like Lee Hyori’s Bad Girl or that one rookie group that was in the update last week being glorified gansters… sometimes just annoys me.

  8. Why is VIXX not included? :(

  9. Funny thing about Oolf is at first I HATED it and now I really like it. Regardless of the bad English.

  10. CL is great but somehow I don’t see how “bad” she is in the video. White backgrounds with hip hop fellas are becoming the YG boxes somehow… =/
    EXO was way too boring.. maybe the drama version adds something?
    Shinhwa has the best song out of this 3. I found the “voguing” idea great but I couldn’t stop thinking about Locomia through the whole video ajajaja =). Anyway, Shinhwa, fighting!

  11. Gemma Deacon

    I am lovin’ CL’s song and video. It’s right up my street! I’m not a bad gang person, I’ve just always enjoyed hip-hop/rap music. Especially if it’s a female singing/rapping. I’m just a bit confused about ‘the unnie’. I know unnie means older sister and/or close friend but what is ‘the unnie’? How do we do ‘the unnie’?
    Yikes too many slashes in this comment ////////////

    • YOOOHHOOO! comrade! was feeling a bit lonely in my CL love here #_# lols yeah I know what you mean, was ‘the Unnie’ the leg/hip twist she did or is it like…..oh i dont know..getting a bunch of younger girls to dance circles around me making me aware of my seniority and the obvious fact that I just may not be as attractive to dance around as CL.. *sad food for thought* lols

    • If im not mistaken Unnie can also be used toward someone you look up to. so… be the role model? I really like the song though ^_^

  12. This isn’t the first time the image discussion has come up when you talk about YG.

    I’m sure every one remembers when Big Bang made it on world star hip hop and that was the thing most comments talked about, it was even in the title.

    We’ve seen Korean Hiphop done without the mainstream “hiphop/gang” fashion and I’m sure many people like myself like it just the same.

  13. Daayyyuuummm. CL. Love the song and mv, lalaloorrvvee her fashion. Her comeback at Inkigayo was EEERRPPIIICCCC..*cue random dance grooves*.honestly never seen anyone recently own the stage like that. Aca-believe it ~(@_@)~ LMAO

  14. YukiRed

    This is irrelevant but… Martina, you could be an actress in a K-Drama! You do the aegyo so well!! I wish I could do it as well as youuu… T-T
    *epiphany* GASP Teach us! Open the happy! :D

  15. I really, REALLY dislike the “gangster” style that is popular in fashion lately. CL’s MV was just chair squirmingly bad to me, and the bandanas and awful corn rows (on beautiful Kai…sob) in EXO’s MV made me downright uncomfortable.

    I also grew up in an area where there were certain dress codes at my high school to discourage gangs. Even now that Im older, the bars or clubs that I go to also have VERY strict dress codes. Some examples are: no bandanas, long white tee shirts, cargo jeans, wallet chains…the list sometimes is ridiculous and will be very specific. Unfortunately, those lists were written for a reason, and it’s mostly to keep certain types of clientele out.

    I know the stars don’t choose their look or clothing. Their representative company picks what’s popular at the moment and decks them out. I just don’t think ‘thug life’ clothing fits Kpop and I think they look like fools for wearing it. I sincerely doubt these Kpop stars, or anyone who’s never been to or lived in an area with real gangs, have any clue what they are representing. I could go into a whole discussion about the idolizing of ‘thug life’ and the misconceptions that fans may have about the actual lifestyle of a gang member, but lets save that topic for your Sociology 101 class, right?

    In a nutshell, people who genuinely live the thug life wouldn’t be caught dead doing TREE OF LIFE dance choreography.

  16. yanagiba yusuke22

    next next week….im waiting for henry’s MV KMM….

  17. Korean Hood = YG Studio. excuse me while I die from laughter.

  18. Emily D.

    Please do Hyde!! I know for sure CL and Exo (although I want drama ver.) can stay in for another week, and CL will have plenty of opportunities most likely, and you’ve never done Vixx before (on the other hand, you haven’t done CL before, but she’s part of 2NE1, so technically you have…? No? Yes?_

  19. Please EYK, review VIXX for next Kpop Music Mondays even if they are at the third place. It would be nice to see what you think of them, because you didn’t do a Kpop Charts Update on them :P They deserve it, Thanks !!!

  20. Becky Strickland

    the baby in 3:46 is so freakin cute!

  21. Jordan John Nicholls

    The CL video would be music Monday gold. Save EXO for the drama version where you’ll have more to talk about. When I watched CL I found myself already chuckling at the potential for your skits, would love to see what you actually come up with. Plus that video was crying out for a spudgy cameo.

  22. As a gay man, I am loving the androgynous feel of the Shinhwa video. Aslo, if you really wanna see an amazing blend of raw masculine power with feminine moves, you should watch Kazaky’s video for “in the middle.” It is literaly amazing!

  23. Cyber_3

    By the way, it’s since been removed so I can’t figure out which video playlist “Get Lucky” by Daft Punk got accidentally tacked onto (I think it was Signapore Social Awards day 5?) but thank you Simon and Martina. I do love Daft Punk but I enjoyed this song and the whole album so much that I think that this will be the first physical CD that I will buy in the last 15 years (if they still sell CD)s. Sorry for straying off topic.

    • I love the song too. The first time I heard it, I didn’t realise it was my beloved Daft Punk at first but I was grooving to it from the start. So happy they have a new album. May have to buy that CD as well. Pony if we could figure out where they sell them.

      • Cyber_3

        I didn’t realize it was them either – LOL! There don’t really seem to be any “record stores” around any more, but you can get it at amazon.com, even on VINYL!!!!! “Lose Yourself to Dance”, “Giorgio by Moroder”, “Motherboard”, and “Doin’ it Right” also similar sounds and very dancy, the rest is good as well but more classic Daft Punk-ish. I listened to the album on youtube last night and it is really one of those great ones you can just put on and listen from beginning to end.

        To make this somewhat on topic (erg?) S&M were singing “We’re up all night to get nasty” in the latest livechat – which also works really well XD

  24. CL’s video and song to me felt very unoriginal, like a mash up of GD and M.I.A. and EXO’s Wolf actually made me cringe it was so ridiculous. I mean as a long time K-pop lover you get used to all sorts of crazy fashion, weird English usage, not to mention lots of other things that makes K-pop distinct and wonderful, so it has been awhile since I have seen anything that actually made me cringe. All I could think was that if this was the first K-pop song or video I had ever seen, I’m not sure I would have given the genre a chance to hook me like it has, and that makes me really disappointed, not only because it is from a group I really like, but also because I know out there this is the first K-pop song someone is seeing right this very minute and maybe we are losing a possible fan. I will admit though that either video would give Martina and Simon lots of skit material, no matter how much I would prefer to hear them talk about Shinwa or VIXX.

  25. I really loved exo’s comeback with wolf I thought it was unique and different, it was a Hugh risk to do something like this for them but I honestly think they did it well! the dance was amazing. As far as cl’s new song I absolute hated it, I love her but I will never listen to that again.

  26. Honestly, Wolf grew on me. At first I was like ummm WTF??? but then it got stuck in my head and now I LOVE IT.

    For Cl, I’ve only got this to say: Really disappointed. (actually I had more to say :p) The song is so boring (sorry Cl fans, I’m actually one too…) I thought she’d do something more original, but no…

    VIXX: I actually like their song. At first I was creeped out and was all OMG Illuminati 0_0 (Im so screwed by this illuminati stuff. So tired of it) but after my initial shock, the song became good in my head xD

    Whatever u choose for KMM I’m gonna watch cause I love u guys.

    And Wow, never thought i’d actually comment here, like ever. i’m one of those silent fans, watching from afar… But here goes nothing..

    • lol… Your reaction the VIXX video is hilarious!! OMGILLULIMATI XD I’m not gonna lie, that ish got me scurred for about a month or two, but now… It’s just annoying. The entertainment industry is dirty as a mother (look at half the serious scandals that come out of the K-Pop scene as proof), but I doubt it’s all down and dirty with secret societies. The signs and symbols they put in everything is starting to wear on my last nerve, though >_>

      Also, 5 bucks says a pressed Starlight downvoted your comment XD

      • Right!! That’s what I think too. I really don’t care anymore. I first heard about it 3 yrs ago and I seriously had nightmares (for real) for a week. and then I just started to get over it and now I find it really annoying too.

        Hahahahah not shocked if that’s the case. Let them downvote all they want, i said what I had to say. I like VIXX, I like their song, and if people downvote me because of my initial reaction (illuminati thingy), well then I just wonder if they actually read what I wrote :p

        • Josh Chinnery

          It’s scary, because those symbols are *everywhere*, and they’ve been appearing in music videos a lot more frequently, but I think they’re there just to make everything look edgy. They just look stupid XD

          That’s exactly why I don’t say I’m a part of a particular group, just that I’m a fan of K-Pop; I do not want to be associated with the super fans, they annoy the crap out of me. You say nice things about their fave till you’re blue in the face, but if you say something that could be taken even a LITTLE offensively, you’re just a jerk and a hater who’s mad at the world for letting someone be more popular than them. Like seriously? Grow up XD

        • passingsometime

          I sometimes wonder if they even know the “meaning” behind those symbols or if they use them because, as u said, it makes the videos look cool and edgy (and sometimes creepy)??

          Hahaha it’s like u read my thoughts. That’s exactly what I usually do. I never say what group I like, since honestly, I like K-pop in general and a lot of groups. No need for me to focus on only one group and no need for others to know what I like. I don’t understand how those super fans can be so fanatic. they’re like fanatic religious groups seriously, like, chill yo! :p

        • Josh Chinnery

          I love K-pop lots. The music, the people, the crazy concepts, the choreography; it’s real cool, yo :D Unlike me… *ahem* What I *don’t* like are some of the fans. They are way too invested in some of these groups. It’s really unsettling sometimes, and I feel like I’m not allowed to have an opinion about their favorite oppas and unnies. I remember one crazy fan saying that the GAON charts were wrong about their favorite group (they hard barely charted for a week or two, I think) and that more people were definitely buying up the single. It was sad and I was majorly embarrassed for them.

  27. So I was really confused by the blog post for a second. You wrote your school “banded” bandannas. i was like “they put wrist bands on people who wore bandannas?” Then i realized you meant ” banned” :) S&M Engrish for the win :)

  28. Best comment I saw on tumblr was something like:

    “CL is the female GD

    No, GD is the female GD”

    hahah. I must be one of the few that really love it.

  29. yanagiba yusuke22

    the high pitch ‘saranghaeyo’ in “wolf” makes me remind of GD

  30. I was the same way when I first watched the new exo song. Didn’t know how I felt about it lol But I really like it now. :) I guess it grows on you?

  31. I had mixed feelings about both Exo’s and CL’s songs when I first heard them.
    However only Wolf managed to grow on me ^^sure it sounds reaaaaally wierd when you listen to it at first, but (don’t know why) the tempo changes, vocal parts, rap seq I just think it all came together somehow (MY opinion) and for the “oulf” some1 further down said something that they chose to use the Korean pronunciation of the borrowed word Wolf…? Don’t know if that’s true though.
    CL: she’s an amazing artist that I really really respect but this song, no matter how well it fits with her image… I just… no sorry :( :( I’ve tried, really I have, but the fact that I can’t hum or remember the catchy phrases very well after listening to if for more than 4 times means it just wont stick. sorry CL.
    And guys even if you don’t consider VIXX a candidate for this music Monday, pay attention to them ^^ This is really their best concept so far, and they’ve grown immensely since their debut, hell even since their last song On and On!. So give these boys some love as well, please?! (^.^)
    Either way, I’m looking forward to it!

  32. The breakdown, C part or whatever in Exo’s Wolf is the only good part in the song :/ I just hate that squeaky ‘saranghaeyo’ and ‘ulf’ instead of wolf…

  33. i don’t wanna be shot down by any fans but i’m honestly so disappointed by both CL and Exo.

    I don’t know what is happening with YG but everything they release seems so similar lately. If it’s not with the song it’ll be with the mv. idk what i was expecting for CL, but i just felt like watching a female version of GD’s solo. I don’t think her whole album will be like that but when it comes to the title song that was my feeling. The white shooting setting, the bright colours, the whole gangsta YG crew, even the dancing, and while GD was saying how one of a kind he is CL is saying how baddest she is… (okay… both rapping about… themself… and how awesome they are…). And the song isn’t even quite catchy (or maybe it’s just not my taste). IDK, to me YG used to be so original and full of surprises and completely unpredictable but lately they’re being quite the opposite ?… I just hope this is a sort of phase of them.

    And when it comes to Exo, i’m still in denial this song is real and does exist and it wasn’t a joke when we got that leak. So, yeah, what i can say is that at least they’re being… original… yeah… but… still… what about no ? I mean come on they can’t be serious. “Geurae wolf naega wolf” ?? “Awooo-” ??? and this high pitch “Ah saranghaeyo” ??? Urgh. I Can’t. The worst thing is that i actually don’t hate the whole song and it might be a sort of grower but it’s just that i was expecting much more from them, especially after making the fans wait so long. Like a great and imposing and grandiose and mind-blowing Epic song. Instead i get 12 boys playing wolves and awoooing. Great. Anyway. Fingers crossed that the rest of the album will be better, same goes for CL.

    • I’m still in denial of the EXO song, too. The high pitch saranghaeyo just makes my skin crawl. Even worse, I can’t really tell who’s saying (singing?) it cause the whole track sounds too over processed to me and auto tuned….like there are 6-12 robots awoooing at the same time. It IS growing on me though, and I’m not sure if it’s because I’m genuinely liking this song, or if my subconsious fangurilla just wants to love EXO songs no matter how random there are! lol

      I at least know that I’ll like a few of the songs on the album because I liked them in the teasers, but I wonder how coherent the album will be with Wolf mixed in there.

  34. Guys do VIXX. That video is awesome and even more cooler for KMM :)
    As for EXO – drama version would be better.
    Blackjacks – don’t hunt me down but – CL’s video seems like another GD video. Yes, it was flashy, cool, quirky… just nothing new :)

  35. I liked some parts of CL’s song actually. The part where she is on the swing is really good but the song as a whole is not my thing… Same with EXO’s Wolf. There are some really good parts in it but the chorus is … quite awful. A shame because the rest of the album is really great! (BABY DON’T CRY TONI-IGHT!)
    And Shinwa was a nice surprise! I’m not a big fan of Love (V)(P)enus but dayum this song is catchy! And the vogue-esque dance is something I have to get used to I guess. ^_^

  36. You guys should do the CL video (more material really).

  37. PunkyPrincess92

    that Cl video, i thought she would kinda be gangsta but not completely gangsta like she just went!! i mean she has gold teeth!! like ewww!! i hate gold teeth!!!
    ahahahaha i’ve always wondered about the ‘hood’ in Korea and the more gangsta type people in the k-industry!! i mean they look gangsta and they have gangsta songs and stuff but are they really even gangsta?? do they know what’s it’s even like in the ‘hood’? i actually feel like i’m more gangsta than these Korean singers, with the place i grew up in and the people around me and the crap that happens!!
    seeing videos like that really make me cringe!! (not sure if i’m making sense here…..sos if i confuse you!)

    *shudders* i hate that EXO ‘Oolf’ song!! the choreo is awesome though and the graphics is awesome with the members turning into wolves and stuff!!

    i like the Shinhwa song!

    anyway i wanna watch you guys review either CL or EXO for the hilarity!!!

  38. I am SO disappointed right now. I mean, there was talk about comebacks literally everywhere, people flooded facebook etc. etc. with EXO’s and CL’s new songs and I was super excited for a couple of new, really cool K-Pop songs.

    And then I heard EXO’s ULF. Ups. Wolf, of course.
    And it sucked SO HARD! No real melody, absolutely unintelligible mumbling and constant.. rustle or some sort of stuff in the background. I didn’t make it past the first two minutes of the video until I got horribly bored of it.
    And then I heard C’s Baddest Female (and the titel already.. brr. Should just’ve stayed with Bad Girl.) and srsly? I think the video is super cool, but the song is such a copy of GD, while “Unnie” could do so well on her own, that I just shrughed shoulders and frowend a lot, because I felt obliged to like the song (I mean, it’s CL, come on! She’s awesome!) – but I didn’t.

    I will vote so hard for Shinwa / VIxx or whoever is left to save the day (it could be a 100% naked chests, I wouldn’t mind! Ha!), but this? First, they took all the realy instruments out of K-Pop, now they are banishing melody, rhythm and meaning.
    Man.. this is what you get for starting to watch something with really high expectations.

    How is this crap in the Top 3? Honestly! Has anyone listened to Lee Hyori’s “Miss Korea” – and the lyrics? (Btw that is, what CL should’ve done! THIS is gold!) Where is that song? Or the funny, yet catching “Mama Beat” by LC9?

    As someone who normally listens to rock / jazz and stuff I feel enraged that people acutally vote for something, *no matter how bad it is*, just because they *like* the group or one particularly member! If you really liked them, you should be able to
    criticize them nicely – then go on and love them for other things, but that.

    For all who made it to here, getting ready to rip my head off – this is, of course, my personal opinion! If you liked this song for good reasons, man, go on and listen the hell out of it! =)
    For me, it’s just not.. nah..

    • Even though I might risk to get my head staked up next to yours; I couldn’t agree more, except for the part of having really high expectations.

      Though I have to admit that one kinda get’s a hang on EXO’s (w)olf … though I don’t know if it’s good or bad in this case …

    • I love The Baddest Female and Wolf (don’t ask me why, the fanboi in me just loves making no sense >_>), but I agree :D I’d prefer them to do Vixx’s Hyde or Lee Hyori’s Bad Girls. Both of those would be legendary :3

  39. Song wise I liked Shinwa the most as well….

  40. Terézia Melišková

    Wait for the drama version of Wolf, there will sure be more to talk about…. AWOOOOOO ;D

  41. i really like VIXX’s and Lee Hyori’s songs and videos much more than EXO’s or CL’s. and find them much more meaningful and interesting! but it seems like they don’t have a chance to get reviewed… *sigh*
    i still love Simon and Martina though! :D

  42. SM said that if the WOLF korean version video gets over 2.5 million views by the end of this weekend they’ll release something special. We all assume it must be the drama version because Monday is the day of the album release.

  43. OMG! I’m a really big fan of CL and my friends nicknamed me Seal about a year ago!! Haha! XD

  44. The only thing impressive about Exo’s comeback is the choreo to be honest.
    There is nothing much left to say. The song…is really bad…
    I guess the massive amounts of fangirls in the internet make it seem like everyone is blown-away by this comeback but…I doubt thats the case at all.

    • The title badgirl? Or bad bitch. Or the baddest female? Heheh im sure you’ll understand it after watching it with subs. Its a bad with quotation marks. Not bad bad but “bad”. Changing bad girl to baddest female have it perks. 1, its not similar to hyori’s. 2. Its CL’s nick, signature, fansite etc and personal for a debut song title. Better than a generic forgettable one imo

  45. I really like Shinhwa’s “this is love”, especialy the end, i think is so pretty!
    Their dance apparently is called voguing, like madonna’s Vogue. But I also think it’s kinda weark to see shinhwa do it.

  46. I am glad you like the new Shinhwa song, I personally don’t like all their music but this song is great :D

  47. Oh Simon! U so NASTY!!!!! kekekeke

  48. when I saw Shinhwa’s mv for the first time, the dance made me laugh out loud, it’s so…feminine. but that doesn’t change the fact that I love the song and the group in general (Venus is still my favourite Shinhwa song though). it’s a pity they don’t really have a chance on your kpop charts .___.

  49. Side note: in the Exo-M version, the “w” is much more pronounced.

  50. I’m glad you mentioned Shinhwa. The only Shinhwa song I’ve heard before This Love was Venus, which didn’t really impress me. This Love however is AMAZING. I’ve been listening to it everyday since I heard it about a week ago now, I love it so much!

    I also love the choreography. I feel like I’m one of the few that doesn’t have a problem with the ‘vogue-ing’; I didn’t think ‘GAY!’ when I watched the video at all. If you ask me, Shinhwa exudes this confident masculinity throughout the entire video, which I think might be why I didn’t really get that vibe at all. But yes, I love the dance. To me it is very ‘model/runway’ like, which explains the ‘vogue’ title, but I don’t think that makes it ‘gay’ or ‘feminine’. Maybe that’s just me. But yeah, Shinhwa did an awesome job! This Love is awesome, along with the rest of their album.

    *ahem* As for CL and EXO though … .______. Dear god whyyyyyy? (the rest of EXO’s album is very impressive at least)

  51. Shinhwa’s song is good but the dance would look more normal if it was done by women…

  52. Does no on know that Shinhwa challenged ‘vogue’ dance style for their comeback. It’s meant to look sassy.

    CL & EXO: both stuck in my head, so catchy! I’m leaning more towards Exo cuz of the performances, though listening to the song alone makes me sort of confused.


  53. Martina – get some sleep babe. You deserve it.

  54. CL: It’s not my cup of tea but would make a good MM. It definitely wasn’t boring.

    Exo: So torn! I thought the video was pretty cool with the intro and dance and everything, but the song made my head go a little crazy.. There were so many cool elements but I couldn’t focus on anything because it kept switching to something else! It could have been at least four different songs. Aish. I really, really liked the chorus (I think it was the chorus, the 1:15 mark. Or maybe the “oulf” part is the chorus?) but I wanted to hear it more! I hope this schizo trend dies soon…

    Shinhwa: I’ll say it, Simon. They’re old! And they’re wavy-hand/chest popping looked silly!

    *runs like the wind and hides*

  55. Out of all the 3 songs, I like Shinhwas the most. But when it comes down to the next KMM, I will vote for CL…
    I have no idea what to think about the ‘wolf ‘ song…it was hard on my ears when I listened to it…

  56. Oolf is such a tune. Well impressed, something in Kpop that doesnt make me want to vomit when it shows dubstep influence.
    Also, you could do a whole KMM on just the haircuts, be fair.

  57. Emma – The Netherlands (though currently living in UK) – more nerd or even geek than gangster – I really like the first time CL jumps around at those numbers on the floor, but the rest of the song is kinda… boring I guess. I do like all the colours… HOWEVER, I just hate this whole ‘bad girl’ idea… Even though she clarifies that it’s not about bad, but good bad *confusingXD*

  58. This week’s Kpop Charts Update is the Too Much Awesome Simon Manly Hair Edition :D

    (brb after watching all these videos!)

  59. You have some tough choices this week.

    With CL’s ‘The Baddest Female’ I felt kind of disappointed. Not because it’s a bad song, I actually like it, but because I was expecting something that sounded like a punch in the face and this did not do it for me. I was expecting a fiercer side of her with a sound that didn’t evoke 2ne1 so much. I also don’t think the name was appropriate, I don’t think they should’ve backed out from calling it ‘Bad Girl’ because often we see CL calling herself the Baddest Female and she doesn’t even mention it in this song and that just gives off that it was just pushed there as a last minute thought.
    As for the video I really liked the last scenes, the ones after the gang gathering scene where she’s with the other girls. It seemed like she was enjoying herself there and I wish there would have been more of that through out the video.

    And speaking of the odd gang scene, GD looks like what I think would be a Tim Burton representation of a pimp villain in a movie and I don’t think children should be allowed to approach him when he’s like that.

    With EXO, they’re the kind of group that I don’t particularly follow but I listen to them and watch their stuff because it’s good, you know? And I never saw the teasers or listened to the leaked version that I didn’t even know existed, and I had zero expectations about this video and song and OH MY GOD WHY DO I LOVE IT SO MUCH????
    The song is stuck in my head, it’s epic-ly hilarious but not as in a joke, I thought it was going to have a better welcoming and it blows me away that most of the things I read from other people are negative, even from proper fans.
    The choreography is amazing, but I would say that if there’s going to be a Drama version that would work better for a KMM.

    Vixx’s video, I don’t know why it isn’t here, but I think it has potential. The song is good and it has continuity (as in, it annoys me when the song has a certain vibe and the chorus seems like it’s from another song completely), their choreography is really good in my opinion, the video has a plot and it has various wtf moments. I found it rather entertaining and also it would be nice to have KMMs of groups that aren’t as well known.

    But I guess it would be difficult to ignore the many many fans of both EXO and CL.
    (Not talking about Shinhwa because I don’t particularly know their stuff well and I didn’t finish watching the video and also because it seems like a sore subject…… o.o)

  60. Please do both! I will wait patiently.
    “This week’s KMM is the back to back edition”
    I shall wait patiently :)

  61. I choose vixx :)

  62. Before Simon starts beating up SMEnt with the English rating bar, please take a moment to read this because for once I’m going to defend them in the English department (what a shocker, right?). I already wrote a few comments on this over on the Wolf thread, but I’d like to splice them together over here for you two to read.

    늑대 [neuk-deh] is the original Korean word for wolf/beast, which you can see used in the Korean title, “늑대와 미녀” (literally “Wolf/Beast and the Beauty”), as well as hear them sing/rap in the song.

    Another word for “wolf” in Korean is 울프 [ool-p/feu] which is derived from the English “wolf”. That’s just how the English word “wolf” is written and pronounced in Hangul because Korean doesn’t have some of the sounds English does. Exo isn’t mispronouncing the English word “wolf,” they are properly pronouncing it according to the standard Korean adaptation of it as a foreign loan word. Foreign loan words are words taken from another language and transcribed using a different language’s alphabet/syllabary (in this case, Korean). That transcription is adopted and it becomes an official word of that language, albeit with roots from another language. This is how the English word “wolf” became the Korean word “울프”. The transcribed Hangul pronunciation is what you are hearing in this song. It is a Korean word, not an English word.

    Do you really think that if the Exo members were instructed to sing “wolf” the English way, that they would fail that badly? I give them more credit than that. But the point is that they’re not trying to say it the English way. They are pronouncing it the accepted Korean way. When the English word “wolf” was transcribed into Hangul as a foreign loan word, that transcription of it, 울프, became an official Korean word with an official Korean pronunciation. Listening to the song, it’s obvious that they’re singing the Korean word.

    I think what’s tripping people up is that they’re assuming that because the English title of the song is “Wolf”, that the English word “wolf” must be used in the song. That’s a faulty assumption because “Wolf” is simply the English title SM chose to give it rather than directly translating it from Korean and titling it “The Wolf and the Beauty.”

    Think about all the other kpop songs with English titles. How about Rain Sound? That’s the English title of the song, translated from Korean, but nowhere in the song do they say “rain sound” in English. And no one automatically assumes that they will just because that’s the English title. An English title does not mean that those English words will be part of the song.

    In this case, Korean “울프” just happens to sound very similar to English “wolf” because (duh) it’s taken from English, so while people think they are hearing a badly pronounced English “wolf” because they’re faultily assuming that it will be in the song based on an English title chosen to cater to international fans, what they are actually hearing is a correctly pronounced Korean “wolf”.

    • I’m SO glad you came out and explained this! I was too cowardly. Seriously, it’s not like the guys couldn’t say “Wolf” with the English pronunciation if they were instructed to. It’s just that SM has a (deservedly) bad record with English and I think people are quick to be dismissive these days.

      • its not sm, its the singing instructor, not only that to make it korean way of english but also when you sing wolf its fine but when you sing it in that song and melody it would actually sound like ‘whuolf’(listen to the demo vers). so its either make it sound like whuolf or do it in a korean way (oulf) of english and a way which choirs sing(pronounce with vowels than consonant{only applies to certain words which for example prolongs the ‘s’ ‘w’ ‘f’ sound) hope it also makes you understand it more.

    • Thanks for taking the time to write this. Here are my thoughts on the matter:

      We talk about English in songs not because we’re hyper anal English teachers who die on the inside if something is mispronounced. English is my second language. My parents learned it with me as I was growing up. I don’t ever tease them for mispronunciation, or anyone else trying to communicate for mispronunciation, either.

      The reason we talk about the English in Kpop songs is because we’re trying to consider Kpop’s globalization. When they use English, then there ARE going to be people who will hear mispronuncation and be turned off. My best example of this is with Yoseob’s Caffeine, which was a gloriously beautiful song, but the English is painfully off. Which means that, when you try to introduce that song to someone who isn’t into Kpop, and they hear “Girl you like a caffeine,” then instead of liking the song, they’ll think about the Bad English.

      We don’t want mispronunciation to get in the way of Kpop’s globalization efforts. If you know you’ve got an audience that is speaking English, make sure you don’t fuck up with the English. If you want to get new English speakers (because the US market is, like, the holy grail for Kpop companies), then make sure you don’t needlessly hinder yourself with easily correctable mistakes.

      Sure, Oolf may be the way Korean people pronounce Wolf. How many non-initiated listeners of Kpop are going to wikipedia that? How many listeners and potential new fans were lost as a result? That’s my issue with English mispronunciation here. If you want Kpop to be mainstream, then polish out those wrinkles. Fixing the English, or avoiding potential English hurdles, is easy to do, and there’s no reason NOT to do it.

      • Unfortunately SM seems intent on proving they don’t really care much about globalization. I’m sure you guys heard about the foreign fans being turned away from Exo’s comeback live stage at M!Countdown…what is it going to take to make them realize that you can’t celebrate the global success of your artists but not actually care about international fans? It just so sucks–SM has some of the best talent out there and a number of my personal favorites. Rant over (hope I didn’t take it too far). :/

        • YukiRed

          whaaaat happened at M!Countdown? O_O

        • Angela Merritt

          Oh boy, it was ugly! I wasn’t there personally, but I’ve heard people discussing it all over (cant vouch for accuracy). Basically a bunch of fans camped outside the M!Countdown building all day to get seats for the Exo comeback stage. When it came time to let them in all the non-Korean fans were put in a separate line and not allowed in. This European fan was tweeting about it…sorry I don’t have the link (more hearsay–hurray!). Anyway, now fans are calling SM racist on their blogs and all kinds of stuff. But the new album XOXO drops today and is going to be EPIC! I resisted listening to leaked tracks so far which was soooo hard but I’m so excited!!!!! We’ve all waited far too long for the full version of Baby Don’t Cry! Exo fighting! ^^

        • YukiRed

          Daym! I hope it’s some sort of misunderstanding or M!Countdown is in for it =_= ‘
          i really hope that’s not true though…. :(

      • Even Korean people laugh at it too. My husband could not take that video seriously. He is not a fluent English speaker, he is more comfortable in Korean, but he felt the way they were pronouncing it was not right at all. It completely ruined it for him.

      • I really agree with everything you said. Most of the time, I’m not bothered by mispronunciations. It’s sort of cute to me. Although it really freaks me out when I look up the lyrics and I realize that a part that I thought was Korean was actually slaughtered English. It’s just really hard to get people who aren’t into Kpop to give it the time of day.

        And *I* wasn’t going to look up to see if “oolf” was a Korean word. I just assumed “oh, they can’t pronounce wolf. Okay…” If it was written in Hangul, I might have. But as it is, no. I would not have even thought that “oolf” was Korean.

        Even knowing that it’s the Korean pronunciation now from reading jas’ post… I don’t know. It still sounds silly. And if feels like they’re purposefully trying to exclude their foreign fans…

      • Thanks for taking the time to read my long post, and to reply. :)

        I actually agree with the points you bring up in your response. Companies should be making sure that they don’t mess up the English in their songs. Fans who are already into kpop are used to hearing varying degrees of mispronounced English. I usually roll my eyes when I hear it, but it has never stopped me from liking a song. However, I agree that obvious Engrish and bad English pronunciation could put off the non-initiated from songs that are otherwise great.

        In regards to your last paragraph specifically regarding Wolf, though, I would still counter that it is not a case of English mispronunciation. If EXO was actually attempting the English pronunciation of “wolf” then I would agree that it is a case of mispronunciation. However, since it is a Korean word that they are singing, it cannot be considered a case of mispronounced English.

        On the other hand, I do agree that not many people are going to take the time to look up the Korean word for “wolf” and even fewer will realize that they are in fact saying a Korean word. Almost everyone is going to assume that they are badly mispronouncing the English “wolf”. And we can see from the large number of scathing comments from international fans that that perceived mispronunciation of English has made the song laughable (besides the other reasons people might find it laughable). So yes, SM could have presented the song in a much better light to international fans by having EXO pronounce “wolf” according to the English word, not the Korean one. Why they chose to stick with 울프 rather than instructing EXO to try for the English pronunciation, I don’t know.

        But to bring it back around to my main argument, that’s exactly my point: EXO wasn’t trying to pronounce an English word, so it is not a case of mispronunciation of English. Rake SM over the coals for their decision to use a Korean word that international fans will easily mistake for bad English all you want, but it is not true to say that EXO mispronounced the English word “wolf”.

        Thank you again for your reply. I do agree with the main points about the use of English in kpop that you mentioned.

        • YukiRed

          I don’t think it’s fair though! Sure, Kpop companies want their artists to be known around the world- I’m sure that’s most singers’ dream…but they are Korean and they are singing in Korean so they shouldn’t be laughed at because they are doing what would be in Korean as perfectly normal (besides howling like a wolf).

          The mistake goes to the fans because SM only entered the word “WOLF” so the foreign fans can easily look it up- a favor that they didn’t have to do. WOLF is not the official title of the song, it’s in parenthesis after the official title of “늑대와 미녀”.

          By the way, thanks so much for your post- I was curious about the ‘oolf’ being Korean or English, and I’m sure it enlightened many people :)

    • Beautifully coherent post as usual, jas ;)

      I happen to come from a family of linguists, so I totally get what you’re saying about loan words :p

      For example, the English word ‘television’. In Indonesian, it’s ‘televisi’, pronounced ‘telefisi’. In Thai, ‘ทีวี’, pronounced ‘tee wee’. In Japanese, ‘テレビ’, pronounced ‘terebi’. Although they all stem from English, when I’m reading the loan words, I pronounce them according to their respective languages (otherwise nobody would understand me). Reading it the English way would just be rude.

      HOWEVER, when the original word is used in a text – shouldn’t it be pronounced the original way, and not the loan word way? It’s easy to just use the loan word pronunciation out of habit, but it’s incorrect, might not make sense, and you’re at risk of being laughed at by the native speakers (I’ve had my fair share of being laughed at).
      Eg. Let’s say a Thai text said, “การออกเสียงของทีวีในภาษาอังกฤษคือTV” (The English pronunciation of ‘ทีวี’ is ‘TV’). When reading that sentence, the loan word ‘ทีวี’ is read as ‘tee wee’, but the English word ‘TV’ must be read as ‘tee VEE’. Otherwise, it wouldn’t make sense. Get what I’m saying? :/

      It also works the other way around. Let’s say ‘karaoke’. In English-speaking countries, it’s pronounced ‘carry-oh-key’. And that’s fine, when used among other English speakers, because it’s just a loan word from Japanese which has developed an English equivalent. But when you’re reading the original japanese word ‘カラオケ’, written using the original Japanese characters, it MUST be pronounced in the Japanese way – ‘car-ah-okay’. Many English speakers might be tempted to read it ‘carry-oh-key’, because that’s how they say it in English – but Japanese people would be like ‘wtf are u saying’? It’s like…those English speakers won’t even make an effort to say things properly, and would rather stick to the pronunciation that they’re used to. It’s a shame.

      So this brings us to EXO. From what you say, and from what we hear, they are definitely singing ‘oolp’ – the loan word pronunciation. That’s fine and all, IF the official lyrics actually said ‘울프’. So I looked it up, and in all the hangul lyrics I found, the word written was ‘wolf’, not ‘울프’.
      I can’t actually be sure until someone buys the album and scans the official album lyrics, but I suspect that the word written there would also be the English ‘wolf’, not the loan word ‘울프’ – since the official Chinese lyrics also use ‘WOLF’ *picture attached – ermagawdchrisissohot*.

      In short, the word used in the song is the English word ‘wolf’, but they’re saying it like the Korean loan word ‘울프’ – which is completely different, and incorrect.

      NOW WAIT – this isn’t always a bad thing. I remember helping my Japanese cousin with her English speech for a school assignment, and she wrote out and read out the entire speech in katakana, lol. I swear not a single non-Japanese English speaker would ever be able to understand it. But since the audience were her Japanese teacher and classmates, I just let it be. If she practiced doing her speech using the correct pronunciation, her classmates would never understand, and might even consider her snobbish. So I was like, yeah, katakana away :p

      If EXO-K was trying to cater for the Korean fans, then it makes sense that they intentionally said the English word ‘wolf’ using the loan word pronunciation. Incorrect, yes, but at least the Korean fans might get what they’re trying to say (although, according to Google Translate, the loan word ‘울프’ is very rarely used: http://translate.google.com/#en/ko/wolf – that’s probably why Nic’s husband finds it strange).

      But how about the English speaking fans? Don’t they care about us at all? :3

      If they keep reading English words using the loan word pronunciation, it’s about as annoying as Americans who go to Japan and say, ね、ね、CARRY-OH-KEY に行こう!!<–???!!!

      Note: It could be as you say, that the EXO members themselves CAN and WANT to read it as ‘wolf’, but the directors/producers told them to read it as ‘oolp’. In that case, well, it’s clearly the producers who are at fault here. As usual. And the producers for the Korean version and Chinese version must be different people, because the Chinese version seems to say ‘wolf’ correctly. (Yay!! Chris <3 <3 <3 <3 *O*)

    • ktaeng

      I don’t really buy that as an excuse. I mean, if you look at the lyrics, it’s 그래 Wolf, 내가 Wolf, with Wolf written in English as opposed to the hangeul 울프. It’s not a faulty assumption to pronounce a word written in English the English way; and I’m specifically talking about the lyrics here, not the title, because I understand that much. (And even if it was in hangeul in the lyrics, I still wouldn’t quite accept it. I’m pretty sure “F” isn’t a sound native to the Korean language and following the same logic as the “oo” part, it should be pronounced “oolpeu.”) Maybe you can explain that in a way that makes “oolf” make sense, but that’s how I’ve been thinking about it.

      • You’re correct, ‘f’ isn’t a sound native to the Korean language. The Korean ㅍ is the standard character used to represent the ‘f’ sound, just like in 울프. That aspirated ‘p’ sound is quite similar to the English ‘f’ sound.

        As for the lyrics (and I mean the official lyrics written in the album booklet, which somebody should have their hands on now that it has been released), if “wolf” is indeed written in English, then yes, it only adds to the confusion about the pronunciation. I agree that in the lyrics (not the title though) if the word is written in English, that listeners are right to expect to hear the English word. That is SM’s fault (or whoever wrote the song), just like it’s their fault for choosing to use a Korean word, borrowed from English, that will sound like mispronounced English to the international audience. The only thing I am defending against is people who think that Exo is mispronouncing the English word “wolf”. As someone who studied Korean, though I am not claiming to be a native speaker, there is no doubt that the Korean 울프 is what is being sung in the song, not a mispronounced English “wolf”.

        You were asking why it sounds more like oolf than oolfeu, right? Two reasons: 1) Just like any other language, every syllable/letter that is written is not always enunciated when spoken. 2) Korean pronunciation can be a bit quirky in that they don’t always clearly enunciate ending sounds; instead, they swallow them. This will happen more frequently the faster the speaker is speaking.

  63. Bandanas were banned in my school as well :(

  64. As someone who, on their trip to Korea, was an unnie to everyone. I have a special place in my heart for CL’s song (seriously).
    First time I watched Oulf was today. and I laughed so hard i was snorting and chortling. it was pretty bad.
    Shinhwa. Loved it.
    But as with a lot of the other people. Curious as to your thoughts on Vixx. lol I haven’t heard it or listened to it… but i have noticed it high on the charts for awhile. /shrug.

    Also, random. Have you two seen Warm Bodies? Good movie.

  65. Am I the only one who thought Wolf sucked big time? When I heard the leaked demo track I was like, OH GOD PLEASE NO. TELL ME THIS IS SOME TERRIBLE JOKE. But no, it’s really the song. I was totally bummed. And while I’m excited to see CL do a solo track, the song is kind of annoying to me. UGH. I wanted both of these comebacks to be great. I really did. Vixx’s song was awesome though!

  66. Vixx anyone? It’s in third place! Why didn’t you include it? Honestly, you guys don’t seem very excited about EXO or CL’s videos, so why not look at third place? You rarely make videos about rookie groups, and there was a lot going on in Hyde. I’d love to hear what you two have to say about all the makeup and bug shots. Please don’t overlook them just because they aren’t as well-known as EXO or CL! Those two can easily be in the top two for weeks, but Vixx won’t.

  67. I couldn’t hear a word Simon said during this update. His chest hair was too distracting.

  68. I am looking forward to Music Monday though definitely wait for EXO’s drama version. Also, thanks for sharing some of your views on Shinhwa’s This Love because I really like the song and was disappointed that it was not likely to be reviewed though I have to say that I have a hard time not laughing when I am watching the video (hands, poses, etc.) especially during the dance part where all of the members are grabbing their belt except one who instead is like “I am going to frame my crotch.” You soooo nasty.

  69. Blueberries

    CL: She looked pretty. That’s about it.

    EXO: I liked the dance, it had many intresting parts like the tree and wolf’s hand crawling behing it. Song had some nice parts but otherwise it sounded really SMish.

    Shinhwa: Well.. not memorable to me.

  70. For some reason all I can say about The Baddest Female is that I’m starting to wonder if GD has a thing against wearing pants… and that the Vid looks like YG stuck CL in a mash up of GD and Taeyang videos… I think you guys should do EXO, the new sound is a huge contrast to what has been coming out of SM lately, the Choreo is really well done, and the boys are rocking their new style.

  71. Wolf is a mess. And someone needs to figure out how to fix the Romanization of “w” from Korean to English because it really doesn’t translate well. The dancing was AMAZING…but the song was…confusing at best. But I think the review would be really funny.

    I think CL’s song was boring and a waste of her amazing talent. I just felt like the song was completely in the wrong register for her voice. She just did not sound comfortable singing in that register.

    I personally think Shinhwa’s song is amazing, and so does the Korean K-pop scene it seems. They have been winning a lot of the music shows for their phenomenal live performances. They certainly have the moves to keep up with the younger and newer generation of K-pop idols. They are also amazingly hilarious (as the original variety idols they are). They are fabulous live, they can dance, they have amazing bromance, and the song is AMAZING!!! And for everyone who is getting all hissy fit about the voguing because it is so big in they gay community (not that I care if any Shinhwa members are gay, I have just seen some people being a little upset about it). Vogueing actually originated from the Harlem 1980′s ballroom scene – mostly Latin and African American styles of dance. Only later did it develop into something the gay ballroom scene has embraced. Many prominent artists who are not gay have used it, including Madonna (she’s the one who made it popular in her song “Vogue”, Chris Brown, and Beyonce, among others. It’s a highly stylized art dance form and takes a lot of hard work, strength, and form to complete it as magnificently as Shinhwa did. They wanted to do something that other K-pop idols haven’t been doing with dance, and they KILLED it!!! Shinhwa hwaiting!!!

    • couldnt agree with the first part of your comment more, about the songs. IMO exo’s “Oolf” is a disaster, CL was very disappointing, i expected so much better from her being my bias and all, am not even a fan of shinhwa but i can objectively say its the best out of all these 3 songs. choreo wise though exo would take it but the song is just horrible

      • I actually like Shinhwa’s choreography more because I think it’s more artistic and perhaps more challenging to perform. I do love EXO’s bombastic choreo though, but I feel like it’s showing off more than actually being super artistic, oh well. EXO is not a group I am particularly in love with, but I really love “What is Love”, “History”, and “Two Moons”. I haven’t watched enough live performances of “Wolf” to compare though. I like to watch live performances before I fully make up my mind about a song…and there is a reason why Shinhwa have won so many awards with “This Love”. Voguing is hard, and they ROCK at it! And I just really love Shinhwa.

        • i agree exo’s choreo is not really artistic at all but its interesting to say the least and i am an exotic lol but though i may be a fan i am not a minion i am very objective with my idols if its crap am going to say so not just follow along blindly and if its good kudos to them

        • It is indeed interesting.

  72. ♪Unnie ahh! Unnie Unnie Unnie♪ that part of CL’s song makes me want to dance. I hope EXO does more MVs for Heart Attack, Baby Don’t Cry, Black Pearl, etc.. Please don’t let this be their only MV of the year SM.

  73. Korean Hood Locations:
    YG Studio
    Sniper Sound Studio
    Jungle Entertainment Studio
    EYK Nasty Studio…I mean, WHAT? O.O in all honesty, I am a hardcore YG stan, AND a hardcore EXOtic. It doesn’t help that I’m a Chanjo (Shinhwa fan) either T^T YOU PUT UP ALL MY BIASES!
    But getting back to it, I would pick CL. I love Wolf, but there wasn’t anything but dancing. WHICH WAS GREAT, but I think more material is in order. And as much as i LOVE the Shinhwa video, there isn’t much there either T^T so CL seems to be the best choice. BESIDES, IT HAS TEDDY PARK, MASTA WU AND CHOICE37 IN IT! -_-’ *Oops, my YG bias is showing *runs away

  74. Exo or CL?

    Oh I know…. You guys should review Vixx instead and have the Exotics and Blackjacks battle it out for another week. There, problem solved.

    But really though I think a drama version of Wolf would be more interesting to talk about. As a Blackjack I think CL’s video and song is alright, but videos from YG seem repetitive these days (has the same feel as It’s Over and Michigo – kind of like “random and a bit weird but that’s ok because we’re YG and we do what we want” feeling). Vixx’s Hyde has been holding steady in the top 3. For a rookie group that’s pretty darn good. More rookie groups should be reviewed for KMM. As for the video and song, I think Hyde is the best out of the top 3.

  75. Korean Hood Locations should list the Nasty Studio ;)

  76. Brittainy

    TL;DR: If you guys don’t like Hyde I guess I’d prefer a review of CL’s video? I’m all for waiting for the Wolf drama version ^^.

    - I do love CL, but that song is so meh to me I can’t even remember how it goes after listening to it 5 minutes prior. Just another typical wannabe gangsta YG video. I wouldn’t mind having a KMM on it, I suppose, because I’m sure you guys would find lots to talk about… Also, put some damn pants on already GD, no one wants to see your pasty thighs xD (ok some people probably do, you sickos).

    - I’m not sure about my feels for Wolf (though I am positive that Oolf is just too silly), but I definitely would prefer that you guys hold out for the drama version. I’m SURE there will be 1) terrible acting, 2) ridiculous plot, 3) improperly used guns for you guys to trololol about. Also, something very important to note: the ‘chicken covering up dog poos’ move at 3:29 is Clearly the best part of the video.

    - As for Shinhwa, I’m glad that you guys decided to include them in the kcharts update. I know a great deal of that is probably just to appease shinhwa changjos, but still. It’s a good step towards healing whatever bitterness still existed for either side. I fell in love with these guys watching shinbang and I’m so happy that they’ve started raking in the awards on music shows ^^.

    I was struck by the fabulousness of this video when I first watched it, but now it just feels so natural. The choreography to me is genius on several levels – it’s low impact for ahjussi bodies (<3), very unique considering the current scene (plus they're solid and mature enough as a group to pull it off without looking ridiculous), and the way it features each member during their part (without a million other distractions) works out GREAT for broadcasts. There's nothing like the frustration of the cameraman showing the WRONG PERSON at your favorite part :<.

    - As for Vixx, I guess I missed something where S&M said they don't like Hyde? I'm a bit behind on recent videos… Anyway, personally I find the MV pretty decent, nothing extremely outstanding (did it bother anyone else that the wings were a slightly off shade of black compared to Leo's hair and clothes when they burst out of him?).

    Don't get me wrong – I'm freaking OBSESSED with Vixx these days. Really fell for them hard with On & On promotions, and I wasn't disappointed at all by Hyde. The song itself didn't slay me instantly the way that On & On did, but it only took a few more listens for me to be just as addicted. Their choreography is even more impressive this time around (if you haven't seen the dance practice, GO WATCH). They're really living up to the 'dark shinee' nickname <3. /resisting the urge to fangirl asdfg/

    BONUS: Major love for the sassiest backup dancer ever —

  77. Emilie

    XDDDD The Ricky Bobby joke made me laugh SOOO much because I LITERALLY just finished watching that movie right before I watched this! That part in the movie is so short and insignificant I’m surprised you remembered it to make a joke about it. XD

  78. If the Wolf drama version isn’t released by tomorrow, you guise should review CL (or VIXX) and save Exo for next week. I don’t think Exotics will mind waiting another week to get reviewed.

  79. yanagiba yusuke22

    next week henry’s solo debut…. S&M should bring him to EYK studio!!!

  80. I really, really like the CL video. I think it’s catchy, and the video is entertaining. It’s a nice break from some of the cutesy-tootsie stuff (which I also like sometimes).

  81. I’d like to say, first off, that I feel EYK is a relatively safe place for reasonable K-Pop fans to come out with what they think about a certain video. It may not always be like that, but from what I have seen, everyone on here is amazingly civil. Heck, angels when you compare this website to allkpop!

    Now, I’d like to share my thoughts. :)

    I was sooo bummed about CL’s song. I was really looking forward to it, but when I heard it I was just… Meh. It sounds like almost everything else that YG does lately, and it really reminded me of G-Dragons “MichiGo”. It’s not bad to sound similar to something else, but when a company puts out songs that always sound like that, it gets a little tiring. The video, although filled with really cool clothes, is also just like everything else that YG does. It’s almost like SM, but instead of oddly lite rooms, it’s white boxes. All of this makes me super glad that they have Lee Hi and Akdong Musicians, because I hope it makes them switch things up.

    EXO’s “Wolf”! I really like the song, personally, especially since I did listen to the leaked version. They really made improvements to the song. The video is fun to watch the first time (I really love that tree at the start, because it always makes me think of the “Tree of Life” from MAMA!), but it does get old after a few times. Oh! I will say that at times Baekhyun and Luhan sounded so much like Peter Gabriel, a singer back in my Mommy’s day. Plus, after spending a great deal of my childhood watching WWE, I spotted a Heavyweight Championship belt on Kai.

    Shinwa’s “This Love”? Meh. I liked “Venus” more and I will always think that “Eusha Eusha” was their best song.

    • Call me weird, but I feel a little apprehensive about Akdong Musician singing with YG after they let of SuPearls ;/

      • I can understand that, and I kind of feel the same way. I’m hoping that since Akdong Musicians won, and because they’ve already placed high on the Korean chart, YG won’t do the same thing.

        • Josh Chinnery

          They’re guaranteed a debut per winning the show outright, but I hope Papa YG lets them continue being their quirky and adorably weird selves. Because I’ve been listened to some tracks LOEN released by them, and I LOVE them :D

  82. So…there were a lot of other great releases in the last 2 weeks, here’s some you guys might want to check out:

    Philtre & Younha – Fade http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/kpopcharts/philtre-younha-fade/
    OMG. Listen to this with earphones and the volume on max. The editing was flawless – except the broken cup lol. Question: was the girl walking backwards, or was it reverse motion??

    Huh Gak & Jeong Eun Ji – Short Hair http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/kpopcharts/huh-gak-jeong-eun-ji-short-hair/
    Finger people!!! It’s so cute!! The entire video is a love story acted out by their….fingers. Seriously. Check it out. d( ^ o ^ )b

    Lee Hyori – Bad Girls http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/kpopcharts/lee-hyori-bad-girls/
    WHY IS THIS SO LOW ON THE CHARTS!! Hahaha the story is hilarious. You should see the baby’s eyebrows DAMNNN.
    Her other song (Amor Mio) is really different – it’s a beautiful duet. :)

    Star – You Are The Best http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/kpopcharts/star-byul-you-are-the-best/
    SUPPPEERRR cute animations!! BUNNIES ARE PUFFY xD

    Crispi Crunch – Sajangnim Nice Shot http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/kpopcharts/crispi-crunch-sajangnim-nice-shot/
    Crispi Crunch being drunk idiots as usual *shrugs* :p

    BNR – Did Not Say Anything. http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/kpopcharts/bnr-did-not-say-anything/
    They actually say stuff.

    Vixx – Hyde http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/kpopcharts/vixx-hyde/

    No, it’s not L’arc en Ciel, although I wish it was. They have tarantulas and snakes and lizards and worms and lots of runny make up, though!

    Skarf and Boyfriend and 100% and Ack!dong Musician also have new stuff. Also, guess which video includes Taemin’s dorito friend? ;)

    • Henry from SM-J’s Trap?

    • Why didn’t you include the Beggar Cheapskate dude? lol :P

      • I made a reference to it…. *shifty eyes*

        • NANAandLIZZYfanatic

          Oh yeah, I read it but it didn’t click.
          I can’t believe I didn’t notice you left out Tarzan at 1st, that’s my 2nd fav song of the month behind ADTOY.

    • Out of all these, the Wonder Boyz’ freakin’ Tarzan is so bloody addictive!!!

    • “You are the Best” IS SO FREAKING CUTE!! So.. かわいい.. (≧∇≦) I really laughed out loud at Bad girls and was blown away by the beautiful song of Amor Mio. Love Hyde, Fade, and On and on too! I’ve listened to almost all of the tracks you’ve mentioned, but need to check out a few aI missed. Thanks so much for sharing~ ^^

    • The video for Tarzan would have been interesting too :-(
      I agree about Hyori’s Bad Girls, I don’t understand why it wasn’t voted more, considering that 1) there’s sooo much funny stuff going on in the video and 2) Martina talked about it for her make-up session (but didn’t post the voting link) (she should have)

    • I love it when you take the time to type these out fuuko! ^_^ It’s so interesting to see the funny or serious descriptions you write about these songs. Plus it gets more people to hear about the songs not at the top of the chart!

      • It also makes me incredibly happy to see you try to watch and comment on all the videos submitted :)

        Then the videos would feel so deserted haha xD

  83. Isabel Ruby

    i totally got the ‘lady dance’ feels from the shinhwa song too :/ it’s the same feels i get when i watch AA’s So Crazy…… something about the sensuality seems inherently feminine…. maybe the choreographer was a woman? who knows…

  84. anyone get majorly distracted by the chest hair? Simon be glad your not mlike my cousin. he takes his shirt off and it looks like he has a sweater on under his shirt. xP

    I love how you showed clips of CL and EXO mv that were my favorite parts in the songs.
    Seriously, I loved it when EXO used their hands as wold ears, and nearly died when they howled.

  85. yanagiba yusuke22

    waiting for exo drama ver.? exotics should wait for another 10yrs to be out…. u know Sm rite?

    • Well, seeing as how they already shot it, I suspect the drama version should be released sooner rather than later.

      • yanagiba yusuke22

        released so much mv isnt effect the ‘point’ for music show? i mean…the viewer r less than release only 1 mv… even dance ver already hv korean/chinese ver…

  86. unicornsgalaxy

    I’m actually surprised that you talked about Shinhwa since the video is 2 weeks old. As far as the video is concerned, remember that Shinhwa started their own company. They really don’t have the money to waste on multiple big elaborate sets. This was done in I believe 2 locations. As far as the dance, (I’m sure you’ve read some of the comments) they took the Vogueing concept and put the Shinhwa flavor on it. They wanted to show a sexiness (without stripping more’s the pity) that can only be shown in your 30′s. They have the confidence and the sex appeal to be able to pull it off.

    Exo’s song, I’m on the fence about. There are some good parts and some parts I could do without. Personally, I like the live performances better than the video. I am looking forward to the drama version. After watching the live performance, I was left wanting to see a story. I felt that there needed to be one. Actually, it reminded me of a series of books from one of my favorite authors Sherrilyn Kenyon (the Were-Hunter/Dark-Hunter/Dream-Hunter series). I could see the Weres doing something like this if any of those books were to be made into a musical.

    CL’s song, I don’t really have much to say about. I only watched it once. I’m not sure if it’s for me, but I didn’t think it was bad.

    • You have a good point there; this ain’t SM where they can have about 2394809234 different box sets per video XD

      • unicornsgalaxy

        I would have loved to see something more like YO!, All Your Dreams, Run, Angel, Throw My Fist, etc (something with a storyline) but 1.) this song isn’t one that a story line would really fit with and 2) I would rather see them spend the time and money on other things (although, I’m sure this video cost a pretty penny and iirc they filmed it in like 2 or 3 days pretty much straight through).

        • Josh Chinnery

          I just have to say that I have a lot of respect for Shinhwa for staying in the game and releasing music this current (and totally killing it!!), while there are groups/solo acts that could be their kids. Like I said in my post below, This Love is one of my favorite songs of this year, and while I didn’t love Venus when I first heard it, it definitely grew on me. They are awesome ^^

  87. I really liked CL and my own style is waaaaaaaaaay different from the hip hop world, Simon you said you were gangsta but I have always considered myself really into the hard rock/metal genre up until 3 years ago that the whole k-pop hit me… HARD *smack down* and about the cultural background, here in Colombia there is a lot of vallenato, salsa, “tropi-pop” and maybe punk, ska and metal is heard among the “alternative” crowd so, not much kpop or at least in my city anyway

    I like her video and song exactly for being unexpected, listening to it was almost like this: what in the world is this?…ok this is kinda good….and at the end chanting UNNIE UNNIE!

    Also I have to say this and I’m sorry if EXO fans get offended (not my intention) but in this video they are as agressive and dangerous as our siberian husky puppy chasing after our feet….they are just cute! sorry not buying all this “raised by wolves” they are so cute…actually we play around with him with this song :D

  88. Aside from the transitions I really like the dance concept. It’s very strong and intense. A little overboard on the claw hands, though.

  89. In the Shinhwa video, who is the one with the slicked-back hair? The smoothness of his dancing is mesmerizing. They’re all good dancers, but he stands out.

  90. Enny

    I think it would be wiser to review EXO when the drama version is out, cuz Simon and Martina can talk loads of both version of EXO’s Wolf….
    So my point is, review CL first and EXO next week when drama version is out…

  91. Please wait for the drama version of Wolf to come out and review that! I don’t really want to watch you guys talk about it being kind of boring, it wasn’t to me cause I love watching people dance lol. As for what I think about the song, I think it’s alright. I hated it at first, but I’ve grown to love it. It’s probably the weakest song in their album though, but I’m kind of glad they made this their comeback song because it’s just so fierce and weirdly different, it makes them stand out.

    For CL I did like her song, but it’s not the best. The video and the song just made me think of a female version of GD

    I like Shinhwa’s song, but I haven’t seen the video yet ^^

    I think overall CL should be reviewed, then if Exo’s drama version comes out that will be next, but then Henry from Super Junior M is making a solo debut next week and I would LOVE if you guys reviewed him! I don’t know anymore >.< I'll watch you guys anyways!

  92. I remember thinking that 2PM’s A.D.T.O.Y dance was a little feminine too but I actually really liked that about it. I think it’s cool to see the gender divide between specific types of dances being blurred, whether that’s a girl group breaking away from the sexy dances into something more intense and technical or a boy group moving from typical technical choreography to something more organic and sexy. The kind of switch up of having a boy group do a sexy, feminine dance is what made that video stand out to me.

  93. Asela Cheung

    Even though I want to see Lee Hyori on KMM, I kind of want to see a CL review….

    • inorite? A Bad Girl KMM would be legendary!! I can see Simon ruining the sexiness of the video by donning a tube top and doing some of the dance moves from the dance video and live performance XD

      • Asela Cheung

        Plus! The Bad Girl has an interesting concept and story than just being a Bad Girl (that’s kind of why I admire Lee Hyori as an artist ^^).
        LOL it would be funnier if Simon donned the Hyori’s make-up like Martina did from her last make-up video xDD

        • Josh Chinnery

          Like I said… Legendary XD And I like how the bad girl concepts are more fleshed out than the typical “bad girls are sexy, rawr!!” feel that most female performers go for; Hyori is misunderstood and CL is independent, but society wants to label them as “bad” because they refuse to conform. Very classy ladies!!

  94. Hm…choosing between the two videos is really hard for me. Both of them had really good things to talk about and also bad ones. I would have to say EXO’s Wolf since the drama version hasn’t come out yet. In terms of Shinhwa, I heard they were doing this sort of Vogue concept with their MV. Pretty spot on might I add.

  95. I’m one of those rare ones that honestly loves CL’s song and mv, and likes Exo’s comeback. I prefer for you two to do CL because I think the drama version (if there is one) will be more interesting to talk about. CL’s song really grew on me, especially the “Unnie ya~ woo~ Unnie, unnie” part :D I’ve never heard Shinwa’s song before, but it’s quite good!

  96. Raine

    This sounds a lot like the GD mixing and even the rap style is similar. I’m not a fan of the hood stylings. GD is making a statement, I feel like this is just…randoM? But mostly I feel like its a bit of regurgitation. *ducks to avoid CL fans* As for EXO, who composed that thing because it’s random AS HELL. Like whoa. What was the persont hinking when they came up with form. The choreography and the video FIT the song VERY well, but the song is …awesome in its parts but the sum total is…wacked. I’m not sure. I wanna see Vixx!

  97. O.O I thought Shinhwa was living for disco…


    And is that girl in their video Fuji Mina (Don’t know if I spelled her name right…)

  98. I preordered EXO’s Xoxo album! So excited. Despite Wolf the rest of their songs are really good. Baby Don’t Cry, My Lady, Heart Attack all sound great. So far 2013 kpop songs just are not catchy and are different than last year to me. There has not been a song this year (well Lee Hi’s Rose) that caught my attention.

  99. Alison Smith

    Had a complete OMG moment about the Shinhwa & 2 PM dances. That is what I was thinking. If some of those were moves would be done by a girl group it would it would have felt more appropriate (getting into why dances would feel more masculine or feminine is a whole big ball of social commentary I have no desire to dissect). Less…um guys can you stop feeling yourself up…we can all see you…wait till you get home for that would you. And this is coming from a fan of Shinhwa, my favorite Man Band!
    As for CL, I’m also torn. But the song itself is definitely going on me.

    • It just looks like pure fanservice to me. They might be sacrificing a bit of their masculinity for them, but the fangirls/bois (because you can’t forget your fanbois ;D) will eat it up like no tomorrow XD

  100. Thanks for doing Shinhwa. That was actually the first MV of thiers that I saw and I was blown away and they did so well while you guys were gone so I was a little upset that they weren’t going to be in the update/KMM (all the Nu’est are like “I know that feel bro) and so it was cool that you guys gave them some recognition.

    I would have also liked to see VIXX, sadly, I do not like “OOULF” despite being an exotic and CL just didn’t do it for me. (But GD’s chicken legs did give me a little giggle lolz)

    and as always: I LOVE YOU SIMON AND MARTINA!

  101. Asela Cheung

    Wait…. what did Simon said about Shinhwa that pissed the universe off? o.O

  102. Would rather see you review VIXX or Shinhwa. Not really a fan of CL’s song or the new EXO song (even though I love them greatly). The other two are just better songs in general….and they don’t exactly get a lot of love usually on the kpop charts, so why not give them a shot :)

  103. I…..am kinda disappointed. No VIXX? oh, alright. *sad face* Theeeeeeen, I choose CL! I think if EXO is having a drama version of their video, it’s better to wait until it comes out and theeeeen we’ll have our fun hahaha :D

  104. Please do VIXX. I really want to know what you think about the video.

  105. Did you mean to say “banded” instead of “banned”?

  106. A lot of people (even diehard Exotics) seem to be on the fence about Wolf. It’s kind of a disjointed and, frankly, really odd sounding song but I think it’s PERFECT for Exo’s comeback! Think of how wonderfully ridiculous and epic we thought Mama was last year! Exo’s songs have always been powerful and, face it, a little strange. That’s part of their charm! They’ve been so excited promising fans a fresher, fiercer, sexier concept for the new album and we got a freakin’ wolf pack! Isn’t that awesome???? The choreography and vocals are amazing and the live stage is too badass for words! The song will grow on you, and reading a translation of the lyrics definitely helps!

    • Hmm… Fiercer and sexier for the ones that know how to look fierce and sexy :3

      • Well they’re still a young group lol. I have too admit Luhan still looks a little too adorable, but dying his hair blood red for the live stage helped his ferocity! I’ll take him either way! ><

        • Josh Chinnery


          This is definitely how I feel about the video. And OMJ, Luhan… He is older than me, and he makes me feel like a pedo. Only K-Pop, people Y_Y Only flipping K-pop!!!

        • Angela Merritt

          I know! I try not to over analyze my Luhan feels…they’ll just make my brain explode <3

        • Josh Chinnery

          Even the Taemin, who is older than me by two or three months, made me feel like a pedo when I saw the teasers from Sherlock (ofc, *ALL* of them set off that vibe, so… idk?)

  107. Regarding CL, I really like the song and the MV and I feel like you could do more with it in the context of skits and what not.

    EXO’s MV was boring. I’d rather you wait until the Drama Version so that you can actually talk about the video on something other than choreography and SM Boxes.

    • I’m usually bored by SM boxes but I felt the choreography made up for it by a long shot.

      • Yeah, it was the same with Catch Me. The choreography was so epic that I didn’t really mind that the set was simple. And the few effects that did exist in both Catch Me and Wolf really enhanced the dance rather than distracting from it. Remember when Simon and Martina said they preferred the dance version of Sherlock to the story version? SM is just not great with plots in their videos but sometimes their groups have some pretty sick and unique choreography, so I’m kind of glad they didn’t try to splice up the dance amongst a sloppy story. Super Junior’s dance videos are kind of boring because they often have simpler dances. But really creative and complex dance routines like Wolf, Catch Me, and Sherlock are really nice to just watch start to finish. Also… I’m not at all convinced their will be a story version. SM releases unrelated trailers all the time.

        • I’m not convinced there will be a drama version either. Not after IGAB (which I was anticipating a lot despite not being a GG fan).

          But SM has sick choreos for their groups, so maybe that’s why they don’t do much of anything else but SM boxes. I prefer to interpret their dances that see some cliche plots with other idols groups (not all of them are cliche though). It pains me to see people diminishing the value of their videos solely because there is no a blunt story told by some people acting in a video. It’s like SM is almost screaming at you that their focus has always being the music and the dances, and people is still expecting some lame plot for a video.

      • Same here. I was not bored with Exo’s song. And this is coming from someone who has a grudge on SM and their MVs and delusional fans. The dance was spectacular, so I enjoyed it.

  108. Oh Simon… The more you keep saying old, the worst off the sh*t storm is gonna be. And if there is one, I’m so there :3 I love you guys tons and realize that you’re two people who happen to be very opinionated, but those super fans… They’re just so blindly dedicated to everything their faves release, that it’s ridiculous how they defend them. *ahem* TL;DR – Keep digging yourself in that hole Simon, because I’ve got the popcorn :3

    Anyway… I’ve already written my opinion to the death on Wolf (kind of cracky, but I love it) and The Baddest Female (bastard song grew on me) on their respective videos, so I prefer to not go there now. I will say this about Wolf, though; that drama version is going to be flawless if the teaser is anything to go by :3 Shinhwa’s This Love, though; it’s awesome!! :D It’s got this EDM-esque beat that made me love SJ-M’s Breakdown, and chorus is amazingly catchy and danceable ^^ Hands down, it’s up there with my fave songs of this year!! And dat engrish… I’m totally shouting “It’s automatic systematic in this universe” (yes, that *is* what the second rapper is saying during the breakdown) when I’m feeling bored :3 You guys might have escaped SM, but you haven’t escaped their epically random engrish phrases, circa electronica manic supersonic bionic energy; which is the way I like it ;)

    • Don’t forget that they say “dis love” instead of “this love”
      and now every single time I sing along I say it the same way. DARN YOU, YOU CATCHY SONG!

      • I never really hear when people mispronounce words in english, except when they leave off trailing letters (for example the t in heart or the s tears) or they just plain butcher the word

      • Their pronunciation of “this” is fine from my years’ point of view haha. Isn’t “th” supposed to be pronounced something between between “d” and “t” when at the beginning of the world? Confused. I live in UK and heard lots of people pronouncing it like that, it’s good that they didn’t go for the russian variant for “th” as “z”

        • true enough, the Russian z would have been worse.

          Maybe its just because I’m a TEFL teacher that I noticed it, and my pronunciation senses tingled. And granted, a lot of fluent English musicians mispronounce words all the time. It just tickles that inner English-teacher-red-pen in my brain.

          It doesn’t ruin the song by any means, this has quickly become one of my favorite songs of the year.

  109. The dance Shinhwa did is called Vogueing… It’s kind of more of a “gay” thing… *dies from thumbs down* But seriously, considered a huge genre of dance for those of all sexualities BUT it had its origins there. *runs away*

    • Vogueing is awesome, though XD Kind of wish they had a more technically difficult dance, though. They murder dem fangirl hearts doing those moves, but man is that such a wasted opportunity :/

      • thisisjustforfunval

        I really, really, really love the song, but I can’t watch the video or live performances. The “Voguing” does absolutely nothing for me. I’m glad they had fun with it though.

        • Josh Chinnery

          I kind of giggled at those parts. You don’t really see guys voguing in videos in the States (you don’t really see guys dancing at all, but… *grumble grumble complain*), but I thought it cool of them to do it.It just shows how many cares they don’t give about keeping up appearances, because they’ve been in the game for so long.

        • thisisjustforfunval

          Oh those pants, it’s like they took my grandma’s living room set and made themselves a matching wardrobe. The one who wins for me is, okay I don’t know know there names, is the guy with the slicked back hair. He owned that outfit, his cowlicked hair and the dance :)

          They are Shinhwa, they can do anything they want because they do make awesome music, plus have devoted fans.

        • thisisjustforfunval

          I’d actually seen the story about Eric and his nylons before, oh yeah and the cross dressing. I think that is what was lacking here, he should have come out with his black nylons on while he was voguing. ;)

        • Josh Chinnery

          That would have been epic on so many levels!!! Then S&M would *really* have something to talk about XD

        • About the outfits, truer words my dear! haha. But that’s the case for the black/white outfit only, the white/grey/purple one in some individual shots is soo cool! Plus I think they had better outfits in some of the later live shows.

        • Oh, yeah! I totally agree with the “it shows how many cares they don’t give” part. Their dance is pure fun for me, they have such a diva attitude to them.

      • Fo’ sho’! I totally love voguing. I am glad to see them doing something different than the standard normal dances.

      • unicornsgalaxy

        Well, they’ve had a plethora of the more technical difficult in your face dances in the past. Shinhwa is known for trying new things and “leading” the way. They were the first to incorporate ballet type moves with T.O.P, they incorporated chairs in Wild Eyes (and see how popular chairs have become), they incorporated female dancers into the routine for Brand New, etc. This is just another new thing that they are doing. They wanted to portray a sexiness that could only be done in your 30′s (without striping) and I think they nailed it.

        Honestly though, while vogueing might not be that strong of a dance, it is very technical and can be very strenuous. You are contorting your body in different ways and need to make sure that you hit every point so it looks like what it’s supposed to be (high fashion).

        • Josh Chinnery

          Oh~ Good point!!! I never really tried voguing before (it’s not my thing; I like a bit of pop stuff, but with a dash of musical-esque boldness mixed in :3), but I assumed it looked easy since you’re just moving one part of your body at a time.

        • Why is it that I think they nailed it but in very different ways not previously intended? And I’m not talking about the choreography itself, but the certain fluidity within all of their moves. I just thought they looked really flamboyant. I loved it, so I don’t see why people would say it’s otherwise, as if it was wrong or something (not referring to you, but others)

        • unicornsgalaxy

          I’m not sure if I totally get your meaning, but I do agree with the fluidity of their movements except for some of my awkward stiff Syungie’s moves but that’s his charm!. I wouldn’t say flamboyant (except maybe sassy dancer) but there is a stand-outishness (I made a word!) to it.

        • unicornsgalaxy

          Whoa! I didn’t even know you listened to it! LOL.

        • NANAandLIZZYfanatic

          Ummm it and Hyde I both listened to the same day (both quite a bit after they were released). And I clicked around and I was like “OK I actually like this chorus” And put it in a tab like I do w/ quite a few songs for these vids. And then I listen to the ones I didn’t initially DL day1 (Only ADTOY and Tarzan were DLd b4 tonight lol.) and decide how much I actually like them.

          5th was the hardest because there were like 4 songs that I kinda sorta liked but not a ton.

          Edit: I’m way too much of a procrastinator, I have 55 tabs now. About 3 are static, the rest are songs/vids/articles that I just can’t seem to motivate myself to finishing so I can get rid of them. I add tabs faster than I remove them.

        • Cyber_3

          See, and here I thought they were doing such an easy dance because they broken their bodies from too much kpop dancing and are too old to do it any more ;) Seriously, vogueing is about as difficult as any other dance, I’m not sure that I see the “leadership” here. To me, (don’t kill me, this is the first I’ve seen of Shinwha) they look like they’re trying too hard to be too young. They’re still sexy, they’ve still got moves (heck they’re not THAT old – though they did look older than their 30s to me…..), why not show it off doing something technically complicated? If I was the choreographer, I would have had them do a dance-off style of dance, they would only need one showcase move each, but it would be more impressive than just vogueing in a line. While the formula seems to work for most kpop bands, I think that they need to move beyond it in order to keep moving forward. Younger and more athletic dancers will always win if you give them a straight on battle, being older means knowing how to use your experience to your advantage, how to showcase your mad skillz. I did like the song though, very dance-able.

        • unicornsgalaxy

          Well…. They did break their bodies from doing too much Kpop dancing, tumbling, acrobatics, being completely wild, etc. ^^ Hyesung has a blown out knee that needs surgery, Andy has a bad back (slipped discs I think), JunJin had to have surgery last year on his back, and I think Minwoo so minor issues too. They played waaaaayyyyyy too hard and didn’t take care of themselves!

          I disagree with the looking like they’re trying too hard to be young. I think if a full vogueing dance would have been tried by younger groups, they wouldn’t be able to pull it off (there have been other groups that have had some moves that could be considered vogueing but Shinhwa is the first Korean group to have it as a full dance). Shinhwa has the confidence and experience to be able to pull it off. That’s not to say that even they weren’t a bit hesitant about doing it. When they first saw the dance the reactions were kinda like “OMG!”, “Can we really do something like that?”, etc. The other song that was competing for the title song position (Scarface) would have called for a strong and intense dance, but This Love and this dance won for the title song position and I think it was a good decision (and apparently so does a lot of other people since it won it’s 6th award).

          Anyways, they could have shown a strong dance like every other group out there, but Shinhwa just isn’t like that. They have always been pushing the boundaries and doing the unexpected. As one person said in their reaction video “Shinhwa’s got nothing to prove”. They don’t need to prove that they can still do the high impact, moves. And vogueing is technically complicated. Each member is doing their own poses and there are only a few times when they are doing an in-sync dance. That means that the “weaker” dancers need to be able to stand on their own because they aren’t able to follow the main dancers.

          umm…..sorry. Didn’t mean for that to get that long. XD

        • Cyber_3

          Thanks for bringing me up to speed. However, I just watched the video again and in the nicest possible way I am gonna call BS on “vogueing” being hard to do. If you dance, you should have the grace and finesse to do “vogueing”. I am not sure what “vogueing” is supposed to be but what Shinwha were doing is basic ballet. And by “basic ballet”, I mean the stuff that ties together all the hard moves. Yeah, it’s challenging to make it look smooth and graceful but I can’t imagine anyone getting to be where this group is without having an even much higher level of skill with the dancing. Yeah, I guess it would be challenging to dance like this if you are injured but they only do about 1 second of dancing per shot and 50% of the video (or more) is just sexy walking. Dancing like this is a bit like tai-chi, those slow moves look easy but they take a lot more control. But for 1 second at a time, most people with decent balance could pull it off. I think of Patrick Swayze and how his dancing career ended prematurely and I can see it in these guys when I re-watched. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to diss the Shinwha, I’m more dissing the whole “vogueing” fangirling. You don’t have to be flashy or fly through the air to have skills but I really have to use my trained eye to see anything beyond basic dancing in this video. I don’t have to have a trained eye though to see the struggle these guys are having trying to get to a similar level with younger groups. Only 3-4 of the members even make it into the foreground, the rest are even overshadowed by the (also older) backup dancers. I feel their desperation for one last hurrah, I hope they get it. I just could have wished for some kind of some way of higher impact in the video, it didn’t necessarily have to be in the dancing. Maybe more facial expressions and energy or a better background or scene change, or even better editing could have helped. Everything just seemed kind of calculated and robotic and not in a good way. This was also the first video where the editing was annoying enough for me to notice (on first viewing no less). I’m not sure how this video got an award already when it just came out so recently but, as with a lot of Korean competitions, I just don’t get it. Maybe it’s me.

        • unicornsgalaxy

          We can agree to disagree on the dancing and what you call “Fan-girling” of the dance. By the way, I never said the dance was hard to do. I did say the dance was still technical. The dance and the song are being well received so frankly, your opinion is just that; your opinion.

          However, you seem to be under a bit of a misconception. I’m not sure if you have ever watched any BTS or Making videos, but the artists do not just dance for a second and then rest then dance for another part of the dance for a second. They (and I’m not just talking about Shinhwa, I’m talking about all idols) perform the full dance multiple times in a row over and over again. Not to mention in their live stage they don’t just dance for a second. Shinhwa is hitting the poses one by one and sometimes holding the poses for way more than just a second. But as I said before, we can agree to disagree.

          As for your idea of “their last hurrah”; they don’t need one. They have a very loyal fanbase that will stick with them however long they want to go (and they have no plans at the moment of stopping). As I said in my earlier comment, they have nothing to prove.

          Also, I never said that the video (which has been out for 2 weeks) won any awards, but Shinhwa and This Love have won 6 awards from the music shows.

          So, in conclusion, You don’t like the song or dance, and I do. That’s fine. We can part and go our separate ways. You can go watch whatever you want and like, and I will continue to watch what I like.


        • Cyber_3

          Whoa whoa whoa. I am so sorry for the misunderstanding. If I object to the “fangirling” on vogueing, I didn’t mean you in particular (although I did reply to your comment so I can see how I didn’t make myself clear on that), there seems to be lots of “vogueing is awesomely hard and pretty” even just on this page, I think that you did an extremely well thought out explanation of your opinion and I don’t think that you in particular were all “fangorilla-ing” on it. I really learned a lot from your post and I don’t think that we disagree that much, perhaps I am not explaining myself well enough. It was very late at night when I posted so….well….anyways….. As I got to the end of my last post, I realized that editing could have been giving a negative impression of the dancing to me. It’s like Janet Jackson in one of her videos did an amazing backflip off a speaker and kept on dancing, however the editing chopped the scene and made it look like they staged it and that she didn’t actually land the flip. This is when she picked a new director and went a better direction starting with Rhythm Nation. I have seen tons of “behind the scenes” and “makings of” and I have had a lot of years in dance myself as well, I KNOW that they don’t just shoot it once. I apologize if I have offended you and.or Shinwha with my post. Yes, I guess that Shinwha doesn’t need “one last hurrah” perhaps I got a little carried away with flowery language. But they are getting older and where Korea seems to worship youth and fitness, they will have to end their career at some point, especially if they are in any way injured. Kpop idols get pushed to the max not just in their abilities but in their whole life and this takes a toll their bodies. I hope they go on for many years, I enjoyed the song and the video but I found something was off in the video and now I am going to claim that it was the choppy editing. I did like the dance and it had some inventiveness but I think because of the lack of continuity it was harder to appreciate. I should see if I could find a live version of the dance. I have seen you around here unicornsgalaxy, I always enjoy your posts, thanks for replying to mine <3

        • unicornsgalaxy

          First, my ‘e’ button isn’t working at the moment so I have to paste it in. If you see it missing in any words it just means I forgot to paste! How annoying!!! LOL

          Anyways, I’m sorry if I my tone came off as being a bit harsh. You didn’t really offend me (and I doubt Shinhwa would read any of this and if they did, they wouldn’t care :D ).

          I honestly don’t notice editing or anything like that when watching videos. I usually only watch a video once or twice (unless they are super weird and have lots going on in them like epik High’s Don’t Hate Me or GD’s solo works). As for watching the live shows, sometimes they have really crappy camera work so even then it doesn’t show the dance to it’s fullest. I think Music Bank has had the best camera work so far.

          As for the issue of age in kpop, I don’t thing that we give S. Korea enough credit. Yes the market is saturated with younger idols and more and more debuting every year, but what we as international fans see isn’t always what is being reflected in Korea. For example, take the last MAMAs (end of year awards in case you didn’t know). everyone thought exo or bap would win the best new male artist, but instead Busker Busker won because they are really popular there. Also, just recently Cho Young Pil had been topping the charts in Korea with his pop song Bounce and he is in his 60′s. Psy had done well and he is older than Shinhwa, and both Shinhwa and Lee Hoyri have been doing well.

          Yes Shinhwa and other “older” artist will eventually end their career, but that doesn’t have to be any time soon. They are gaining more and more new and younger fans, plus keeping their “older” fans. Yes, each member could have successful solo careers as actors, producers, solo artists, variety, etc, but as long as they want to keep promoting as Shinhwa, they will still have a fan base.

          Ok, that was seriously annoying having to paste the ‘e’ in all the time!!! Next time I’m just going to use the number 3 as my ‘e’!

    • I am not really sure why you need to run away…Vogueing actually originated from the Harlem 1980′s ballroom scene – mostly Latin and African American styles of dance. Only later did it develop into something the gay ballroom scene has embraced. Many prominent artists who are not gay have used it, including Madonna (she’s the one who made it popular in her song “Vogue”, Chris Brown, and Beyonce, among others. It’s a highly stylized art dance form and takes a lot of hard work, strength, and form to complete it as magnificently as Shinhwa did.

  110. Kimmicci

    I think you should do VIXX!! CL’s is great (to me) but everyone is half/half about it. And EXO~ well… you should wait for the DRAMA version i think. I know there’s ALOT you guys could talk about with VIXX. pleaseeeee CHOOSE VIXX, plus I feel like this is the last week VIXX will be able to remain in the top 3…

  111. Simon… too much chest hair!

  112. Why no vixx? I love them, and they probably won’t last another week… >:(

  113. I’m just meh about CL’s debut song/mv. I’m not surprised she went the hip hop route, I just wished the whole thing didn’t feel like a GD “one of a kind” redux. CL is on par with GD and I just expect something more original from her.

    As for Shinhwa, I don’t think that was a typical kpop video. No boy group out now would have done voguing as their dance. It is a bit femine, it’s voguing after all but theirs just a level of confidence that Shinhwa exudes, that just sells the whole thing for me.

  114. I prefer Hyde over all of them but I choose Exo between those options.

  115. I’m half and half with CL’s song. I love CL and 2NE1. I don’t LOVE the song but I don’t HATE it either. >.< Hmmm since you guys really want the drama version of EXO to come out, how about do CL for this week and do EXO for whenever the drama version comes out? Just throwing a suggestion out there. ^^

  116. Ah, no shout-out for VIXX promoting literacy with Hyde? No? Okay then. *votes for them anyway*

    As a blackjack, I was really disappointed with CL’s song. It just felt like they were making her the female version of GD. This Love is an awesome song, but I’m not really digging the “Vogue” feel to the MV. Wolf …. I’m taking the 5th on that one.

  117. Paris Joonie Maravilla
    Paris Joonie Maravilla

    Simon’s manly sexy chest hair hhahahaha

  118. I watched CL’s video for the first time today during my school’s kpop club meeting. Our club teacher supervisor thought CL was the Korean version of Nikki Minaj :/ I had to agree with him to some extent (I’m sorry)! I don’t listen to 2NE1 and this song didn’t really have much of an impact to me. Just felt okay I guess.

    With Wolf, I really liked the beginning of the song but around the point where the 12 join together, the song started to get super confusing to me. I really hate the distinct mashing of sounds and stuff like that. When it’s subtle it’s OK but I don’t like it when they put too much. I couldn’t really understand the song. They all looked good though xD

    Why didn’t you put VIXX’s Hyde in your charts update? They are number 3 and it’s not like I don’t love Shinhwa (in fact, I grow more in love with them every day) but I think you should have included Hyde since they were there for maybe 2 weeks now and didn’t get recognition last nonexistent update due to your trip. I was looking forward to your thoughts but we’ll probably never know now since it won’t survive until next week.

    • Even though Nicki Minaj looks more and more like a troll doll every time I see, i have to agree with that sentiment (Oh~ I felt that one Y_Y)

  119. I think you should do either CL or VIXX and wait until the he Drama version of EXOs Wolf is released.

    • totally agree with you there! but i think vixx would give them more stuff to work with than cl if you consider m/v + music + dance

    • The drama version of Wolf is gonna be awesome, but I’d rather hear them talk about the amazing choreography! I mean, really! That cool tree at the beginning? Wolf ears and Thriller-esque clawing? That chomping move with the arms? Love it! ^^

    • But a drama version isn’t even confirmed? It could happen like I got a boy and the drama teaser never became anything more than that, a teaser.

      • That’s true. Some of the MAMA MV footage was only ever shown at concerts/showcase stuff. Still hoping for the full drama version though, cause they put like over a week into that video and it would be a shame if it never saw the light of day. But in the end SM are Trolls so i guess all we can do is think happy thoughts and hope are dreams come true. (that last bit sounded more Disney than intended)

        • dragonofcheonan

          Haha, yeah it didn’t seem like other than the cool teaser there was any indication that there would ever be a drama version. Maybe SM decided not the release it because the fangirls LOST THEIR MINDS after seeing Kai briefly peck a girl on the cheek.

        • If SM spent that much money to film something over the course of a week i’d hope they’d have the sense to release it at some point.

    • You should know SM by now. They release teasers that have nothing to do with the video. EXO’s WOLF is really called a music video not a dance version which they usually call the video with only dance. So there will probably never be a drama version released.

    • I agree. Even if Wolf’s drama version isn’t confirmed, Wolf will still be in the top 3 next week anyways.

      I find CL’s song and video absolutely terrible and I never wand to hear or see it again, but it would definitely make a very interesting KMM.

    • If they wait for the drama version to come out we could be waiting for ages. I REALLY WANT EXO TO BE REVIEWED!!

  120. CL, the baddest female needs to win

  121. i like CL’s song, but i don’t think it’s the best she could have done. the MV is awesome though.

  122. just wondering, why no vixx??

  123. what about vixxs hyde guys…I could tell from the livechat that simon didnt really liked it..or actually his tone of voice but why didnt u include it in the kpop charts :(

    • i was wondering about that myself!
      not only it’s in 3rd place on the kpop charts, but the song, dance and m/v are really good and go really well together.

    • We actually really liked the Shinhwa song, and it did well on our KpopCharts when we were in Singapore, and we wanted the chance to talk about Shinhwa in a nice way. It’s pretty popular as well, as it’s got over 1.2 million views. These KpopCharts update is for both what’s on our KpopCharts, and what music videos are doing well (even if they rank low on the charts)

      • yeah, i can see your point, but still, i wish you had mentioned vixx since they were never this high on the kpopcharts and probably won’t last another week…=(

        well, hopefuly on their next comeback you’ll get the chance to talk about them ^^

      • Yeah I understand, thanks guys for clearing it up. Sorry if I sounded like a butt hurt fan girl ^^

      • Brittainy

        Actually I really, really love that you guys don’t just talk about the top 3 ^^. There are a lot of amazing videos that deserve to be mentioned but will never in a million years get enough votes for a KMM.

      • thisisjustforfunval

        I’ve always loved that you include videos from various places on the chart. There are many great songs and/or videos out there that do not get enough attention because the bigger more biased ones tend to reign over the top three spots most of the time. If I remember correctly when you talked about Nu’est’s “Face” it was actually like in 7th place or lower, yet because of including them on the updates I and I’m sure many other’s were introduced to them and their placement on the charts has grown exponentially since then. Guys, seriously thanks for all the awesome music you introduce me too. ^_^

    • lol seriously guys, you shouldn’t assume people’s opinions based on their tone of voice ^^;

      Every week, about 10-20 awesome MVs are added to the charts, but only 3 are discussed in the updates – so it’s pretty normal for songs in the top 3 to miss out on the kpop chart updates. S&M don’t exclude videos because they dislike it – heck, I remember they included Hyuna’s Gangnam Style just cos it was so bad. They just choose whoever they feel like discussing, basically, and since they haven’t done these updates for a while – it makes sense that they pick an older song.

      But yea. Vixx’s video is interesting. Check it out people: http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/kpopcharts/vixx-hyde/

      • yeah i know, and your right. I was just kinda (T.T) that they didnt put it in the kpop charts updat. We´ll have other chances:D

      • Not to sound like a jerk, but doesn’t that kind of defeat the purpose of voting on the charts? I’m a big EYK fan and I like it either way, but sometimes I wish they’d go back to just picking the songs they want to do. Just food for thought

        • And what is the purpose of the charts, pray tell?

        • Angela Merritt

          Actually I think the songs selected for the updates do have an impact on voting. In the past they’ve openly tried to steer people towards voting for one song or another. One might be “gold, pure gold” whereas another they might just not be feeling. I have no problem with this–I want them to review songs they like for KMM–but I think the updates can make a difference.

        • Alison Smith
          Alison Smith

          Why would the artists that get picked for the updates have anything to do with the voting? It’s about what’s new or recently released.

        • It does have some to do with it. I don’t watch every video in the chart, so often some have been brought to my attention that I never would have seen. And then if I like it, I might go vote for it. And then if I like them, I’ll probably look out for them in the future, like fuuko4869 was saying. So it can affect the popularity of a certain group or song.
          That said, there’s not a ton of time after the update so it probably matters more in the long run, but it still can have an affect on the short term as well if a lot of people end up liking it.

        • YukiRed

          They choose the top three, so it still does count… it just adds less room for fandom wars haha! (since we all try to get it in at least the top three ;D)

    • I’m kind of pleasantly surprised people overseas know VIXX! Up until recently I hadn’t really heard much about them from foreign fans. They’re reasonably popular here in Korea, but they’re still, I think, one of those groups like SPEED, where people might know their songs but not the group that sings them. So it’s cool that I’m starting to notice VIXX getting love from foreigners.

      • yeah! VIXX have alot of international fans dont worry, I have been a fan since their debut and during their super hero era and rock ur body, they were not that well known, well i think, and I noticed that after their on and on release they have gotten more and more attention. Well ive noticed that on tumblr, for example, it used to be hard to find a lot of vixx fans (i think sometimes I never paid attention) but now I see them more often :D and also noticed that Leo is probably the most popular among int. fans too along with N and Ken

  124. thisisjustforfunval

    YAY! Thank you for including Shinhwa’s “This Love” on the Kpop chart updates! It’s such a great song and I’ve been playing it endlessly the last few days. Really think more people need to hear this song! The video isn’t my favorite but the song is so great that I don’t care. Okay, I do still think the back up dancers should have been women. :)

  125. Could not concentrate with all that chest hair…………………………………………….
    I… can’t…… the baddest female is a no no for me…. I mean I feel different about it every time I hear it.. the video though… pure gold, bring the snark guys just bring it.

    • thisisjustforfunval

      I’ve been making a point to not talk further about CL’s video but I do have one thing to say and it’s towards YG, not CL. I’m a big YG stan but *sigh* lately YG videos feel like a cluster duck of how much sponsored clothing/jewelry/etc from different companies they can fit into a video and its just straight up getting tacky. They were doing it tastefully but now it’s like let’s have 20 different outfit changes, we must get the truck load of sponsored goods into this 4 minute video.

      I shall be maimed and killed now.

  126. I dont like CL’s song AT ALL, but the video had alot of stuff in it, I think you could pull more skits and talk more about it than the others :>

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