1) Shinhwa “Venus”Vote for them here!


I’m kinda worried about what we said here for Shinhwa. See, back when we started Kpop Music Mondays, we talked about a lot of bands that we weren’t really familiar with. As time passed we got to know them more, understand them better, and kind of get to appreciate the inside culture of their fandoms. We’re more comfortable now with our Music Mondays than we were back when we started. Talking about Shinhwa today kinda brings us back to those first few reviews, when we still felt new. Shinhwa doesn’t really mean anything to us. We know they’re legendary, and that they mean a lot to other people, but they are before our time, and so they don’t really resonate with us. Sure, they resonate with lots of other people, but they don’t really seem to resonate with our KpopCharts audience, either. No servers are crashing for them. No votes are getting flooded. And so, they’re not having as big an impact as we thought they might, but we’re not surprised.

Long story short, we can only talk about Shinhwa based on the song we heard today…which is alright. Nothing really that takes us by storm. And the video is of confident men rather than of growing boys…so…yeah. Decent song, we guess!

2) CNBlue “Hey You”Vote for them here!


Last week we talked about CNBlue and couldn’t really say much about their video, which was cool for being artistically shot, but not something to really talk about. This video is much more up our alley! So many white people! Wow! Seriously: how did they get on set for that? What company do they work for? I’m hoping that one of you reads our blog and can answer this question for us. Come on! Don’t be shy! And – you potential trolls – don’t use this as an opportunity to pretend you were there just to lead us on. PICS OR IT DIDN’T HAPPEN!

3) BtoB “Insane”- Vote for them here!






Kpop: stop making ridiculous names. Seriously. This is such a bizarre WTF name that I can’t even concentrate on anything else apart from my sheer confusion for stupid names. It’s like you eat alphabet soup and poop out band names. Stop it already.

  1. Well, from the three songs in this update I still remember and listen regularly only to SHINHWA’s Venus, it’s just so addictive! Even if I was like ” I like this song too” when it came to the other two, it just didn’t stuck. Plus, no youngster can beat the sexiness of these men!

  2. This video kind of made me sad :/ And I’m so glad I’ve seen it now because I would cry if I saw it during their comeback last year. I’m 18. I’m not a noona with kids. But I still love this band so so so much. And I’m sure other Changjos would agree with me when I say that I have no interest in voting for them anywhere, especially not on eatyourkimchi site. Both Shinhwa and SHCJ have matured to the point where this little things don’t really mean much to us. If the members aren’t concerned with it, why should I, as their fan, be? And they’re so relevant today. You wouldn’t believe how people react (even here in Croatia) when you tell them it’s Shinhwa. Everyone has so much respect for them and it should stay that way. And Andy (Shinhwa’s maknae) could be watching your show… :/ Don’t make them mad…. Please xD I hope to see more positive opinions from you about their comeback in March~ ^^
    Pozdrav iz Hrvatske :D

  3. BTOB is not a stupid naaaammmmeeeee!!!!!! its cool cause it stands for “born to beat”!!!!!! have your own thoughts Simon but I think its awesome!!!!1

  4. actually if you look really close at this video there is hidden Illuminati pictures. I know lots of people night not believe that it’s in kpop and i have a hard time believing it’s in all kpop but if you look and focus on the music video. in the centre of the video know and then you will see lyrics being spelt and then you will see a picture flash in. you have to really watch the video closey. you see lots of symbols that pop up. if you don’t believe me go watch the mv. don’t get me wrong i love there music and bought there cd i just think its weird that they would do that and you don’t notice it until you really look

  5. LMAO yeah, completely agree on the names thing

  6. I know this is much later than all of the other posts, but I just felt like I needed to say this: Shinhwa fans can be REALLY scary; I would never want to say something relatively negative about Shinhwa in front of anyone now. (Peer pressure, anyone?) :(

  7. I like Venus really. and I’m happy for them and they are so hilarious.They are even funnier than sj,.and to think i’m a cassie..^_^
    Shinhwa jjang!

  8. haha i totally relate to the whole poop-like group’s names espicially this year it looks like the year of who can have the worst name and the competition is heating up from BAP to NE’ST nd now BTOP who i found the meaning of it recently “born to beat”!!! could this get any worse!!

  9. BATOOBA…i dont like the sound of that…i find their name weird too…

  10. Whoa, whoa. What’s with all the mean comments, all of a sudden? Like, the first ten are (respectfully and not) telling M&S that they don’t know what they’re talking about. Shinhwa are awesome and talented, yes. But they’re right. They’re older. It makes sense for them to have an older fanbase. That doesn’t mean you can’t like them as a younger viewer. Hell, look at Bi/Rain and Leeteuk. They’re both ten years older than I am, but I’d come running in a heartbeat. They’re also promoted more overseas (my country), and more currently.

    Today’s popular image is that of the Flower Boy. SHINee and SuJu both have that image and they are the more currently popular. I’m not saying Shinhwa doesn’t have a large fanbase, but here’s the three types of people I run into most who like them:

    Old fans, who were fans back when they were mid-career.

    K-Pop obsessives, who know most bands since 1980.

    K-Pop hipsters. “Oh, you listen to SHINee? They’re cool, I guess. My favorite’s Shinhwa. They’re kind of the original, you know? But, I mean, SHINee’s ok too.”

    It’s like the Rolling Stones. Sure, they have younger fans. But the majority (not whole of, but majority) of people at all their comeback concerts will be the three groups I stated above.

    TL; DR –  In a foreign audience, what’s current is what’s most  popular. Current is not Shinhwa, even though they have talent.

  11. I don’t really agree with the whole venus/penis thing. I know that they rhyme but as the song is called “Venus” I’m going to take it for granted that they are saying that. Plus, although some Koreans may have a problem pronouncing that word, Shinhwa clearly have the whole “not accidentally saying penis” thing in the bag.

  12. BATOB! That’s what I call them XD

    I like the song though.

  13. Venus really is quite catchy, thank you for the update!
    Hope they will win for next Monday.

    I have a QUESTION im very curious about, seeing the last update with lollipop from big bang made me wonder: is it possible to submit songs which don’t have a music video??? Maybe people could provide a youtube live performance when submitting these songs, would this be a possible way to open up for exceptional good songs without mv?
    Hope im not one of numerous people asking the same question. If am I feel very sorry.

    Just to name a few songs which I consider as really creative and catchy, without having a real MV:
    Shinee – Lollipop  ~1,2,3 Naked!
    Big Bang – What is right, what is wrong
    Super Junior – Solo (only a drama intro/video)

    Ahh, hope it is ok posting this. You guys are great, Happy Easter!! =)

  14. Hi I’m not a shinhwa fan but I respect them as artists. They seem really dedicated to their fans since from what I heard they did not comeback to win awards or things like that but to keep the promises they made to their fans.As much as I disagree with Simon and Martina’s opinion, I’ve come to terms that we have to agree to disagree. It is true,you guys are just two  foreign kpop lovers living in korea making videos on youtube and your opinion is just that …an opinion. I do think however that it would really be useful for you guys to do a quick research for the kgroups you review/talk about just to know them in general (you might learn to love a new group perhaps :)?) and also for this kind of thing to  not happen again,you know,misunderstandings and all.
    To be honest,  I do find your videos enjoyable,this was the only video I’ve ever disliked of you guys but I’m still a fan of EYK. People do mistakes in wording their opinions and people do mistakes in understanding those said opinions .In the end, we are only human  that have many similarity but just as much differences. We like what we like and dislike what we don’t,it’s as easy as that. I can see why people were offended and I know why you got defensive in regards of some comments. In my opinion, you guys (s&m and everyone else) should learn to admit your faults and just well,get over it.

     S & M , you should read this article.It’s very interesting and It’s about Shinhwa’ s career and comeback.
    I read in one of your reply’s that you don’t want to know anything about Shinhwa because of this but even if you ”dislike” them,you should at least understand their whole career process to understand the hearts of these fans. In the end,There is a bit of true and reason on both sides :)
    My opinion on this is mainly neutral but I think S & M should at
    least explain in a video or in a post their opinion on the whole
    ‘controversy’. I’d  love to have some insight and at the same time it
    might give closure to those who have been hurt by this (I’m sure it
    wasn’t made in purpose) but if you don’t I guess it’s understandable.
    You all (s& m  and everyone else)need to learn to forgive  and put
    down your pride a little. Forgiving someone doesn’t mean forgetting
    their actions but at least it shows how mature you can be towards a
    situation :) .


    Kaybee xo

  15. S&M i agree with all that u said about SHINHWA 
    it was so true !!
    and I can’t look at BTOB anymore without saying BATOOBA BATOOBA!!!!!!
    i love you guize i am huge fan of your site and watch all of your videos
    and agree 97% with u 
    i wait every monday for ur videos 
    and the kcrunch too 
    you are like the friends i never had in my kpop fangirling world
    you are the sound of reason that brings me back to reality and voice my doubts and critic about all kpop groups and songs and mvs 
    that voice that i sometimes ignore for my bias 
    you rock and i beleive in you 
    like your ideas and critics ..always on point !!!! 
    eatyourkimchi figting

  16. cnblue is the best kpop band
    without the dancing routines and robotic moves
    they are the freestyle of what kpop would be if it decided to freestyle! lol
    cnblue so cool so charming
    should listen to in my head solely composed by yonghwa and the japanese single where you are also composed by yonghwa
    that is the true sound of cnblue and the future sound hopefully

  17. there is a lot of white people in hey you cnblue mv cuz it is shooted abroad
    and cnblue has future plans to conquer the american billboard as number 1 !!! ^^
    also bigbang’s bad boy had white girls in it so what ?!
    in this mv they are dancing cheerfuly to the cheerful song
    not intended to make them look dorky …
    or saying that is how cnblue/fnc/asians view white people

  18. The white people in CN Blue’s recent MV ‘Hey You’ are actually random exchange? students who didn’t even know who they were xD

  19. “Eat alphabet soup and poop out band names” — would sticking random letters on the wall and tossing darts at them be any better?

  20. lol the commentary for the cnblue video entertained me, a lot of those people in their video were exchange students and apparently a lot of them didn’t know who cnblue was and thought that they were just more models(how did they not notice that cnblue seemed to be the only koreans on set though??), cnblue and ft island are both part of FNC entertainment(i think they changed their ending from music to entertainment…they had an article somewhere about that)
    the info should be correct….but i read this a while back…aka closer to when the video came out over a week ago so i could have messed up in my reciting of info personally i’m leaving the shinwha thing for other people to talk about, since i haven’t listened to most groups and i don’t feel like getting into more groups, i’d have issues keeping up with variety shows and go insane

  21. oh man, simon and martina i feel so dam horrible for you guys! all the hate is just so terrible!!! cheer up and keep your chins up!

    i can see where these fans are coming from and i can see where you guys are coming from too. i guess the problem here is that you guys are kinda celebrities now (with all the responsibilities of idols!!! :O RUN) so your fans may think you guys need be to these role models and give role-model-esque answers, not unlike the idols we know and love lol. double-edged sword innit :( 

    personally i think everyone needs to calm down… the only thing i know about shinhwa is that their group has the most brotherhood amongst all the groups out there, and if there was one thing i’d love it would be for simon and martina to talk about them staying together for so effing long, major respect for that. i mean look at all the recent groups trying or succeeding in spiltting up? 

    but we can’t forget that simon and martina are people with their own opinions. they are not supposed to please anyone (unlike these idols we wrongly try to fit into our fantasy worlds) and can say whatever the hell they want! 

    looking forward to more videos guise, again, keep your heads up (not down!)… xoxo

  22. ……ummm i honestly dont get what the big deal is. Its just two peoples opinion. That is it, That is all. How people see this as offensive is beyond me. They have nothing to say, they dont know them or their music.

    *sigh* Apparently, Simon and Martina, you’re opinions can alter the course of reality, torment fans and destroy kpop groups. -.-

  23. I once read somewhere that you should never read the “comments” section of the media you watch on internet because that is where people go to forget their manners and just say whatever they want, unfiltered.

    I made the grave mistake of looking through the comment section on this post. Oh my! Who knew people get so worked up over a difference of opinion on MUSIC? Seriously.. it’s a band, people, not reproductive rights.

    Simon and Martina, you guys still rock. Haters gonna hate. Your true fans love you – and respect your opinions even if they are different from our own.

  24. Its ok Simon and Martina!!! you say whatever you want! i think everyone is entitled to their own opinions:) i love your glasses Martina:)

  25. Funny that you mentioned Sunday Morning… I’m not into Maroon 5 or American music at all, but I actually first heard this song when I heard it played and sang by CN Blue’s Jonghyun on some music program……….. it really hit me and I started to mumble it during dishwashing, lol. Funny, I don’t get if that’s the coincidence or not, but it’s funny :)

  26. im not being bias but everything they do reminds me of b2st, they all look like bad version of b2st members, theyre dressed like b2st and this song sounds like it was written for b2st which it most likely was


  28. can anyone tell me what the random images that are showing up in 2:55-3 something? (in Venus)
    sometimes it’s obviously letters and at other times i see a face ?
    why? :/

    • The first word is Venus, the title of the MV. I guess the random image pop up is the face of venus. The rest of them means: “Shinhwa Changjo forever”. It’s the name of their fanclub, also it means in Korean as “To create a legend”. They put in that hidden message as a thank you message to their loyal fans.

  29. Simon and Martina, I know kpop fans can be pretty protective of their groups. You guys have made fun of suju several times and I and other ELFs were totally fine about it. Even so, I would feel a bit offended if they made a comeback after years of not being together and they received those comments. Same with HOT. 

    I think most fans are upset bc it didnt seem you guys did any research prior to this. Saying their irrelevant is a bit much, especially with the big positive feedback they had in Korea. Im not a big fan of Shinhwa, Im more into HOT and Click B, but Shinhwa is absolutely relevant. All the idol groups are looking to them and their learning that going into the military does not necessarily mean the end of their group. Leeteuk from suju even said that he hopes his group will do the same. 

    Some of these comments were way overboard, but generally, pll are voicing their opinion to tell u their not relevant and that they do have fans. Plus, why people are so angry is because Shinhwa are seniors and they have been in the industry for a long time, therefore there is a level of respect towards them. It’s like if I was to say Elton John in irrelevant. Expect to get bashed. 

    • …There was nothing wrong with what they said. Elton John, to the general audience now, just like Shinhwa is not relevant. If he does come out with anything now its for a target audience, the fact that hes a legend doesnt guarantee success when times are changing and music is evolving. Its the same with Shinhwa. Their target audience is the audience that has grown with them and loved them but to the youth of today no they are not relevant. 

  30. And while everybody is going on some kind of full-on debate on Shinhwa, all I can think of is


  31. It’s funny how a lot of people say that S and M are being disrespectful to Shinhwa but they themselves make comments that are super disrespectful to S and M as well. BE STRONG GUISE! 

  32. Why do I have the feeling that all the “fight back” comments are wrote by Simon and the cute comments are by Martina? Am I right? lol

  33. I think people are mostly upset with the “it’s just not right” comment. It just gives a wrong vibe. It was like you were saying that they shouldn’t have came back cause they’re too old, and just should have stayed in the past. That was the comment that unsettled me the most too, by the way. I was perfectly fine with everything else. :)

    My sister and I’ve been Shinhwa’s fans since 2003, and we’re only 19 ^o^
    I’ve been patiently waiting for their comback since 2008, and I’m so glad that they’ve kept their promise to us! They are one special group that always stay true to each other and never goes back on their promises to their fans!! I just love the strong connection Shinhwa and Shinhwa Changjos share and am proud to be a part of that!

    Once you get to learn more about them, you’ll get to love them too eventually! They’re the most craziest group of boys(men if you want!) that I’ve ever seen!! The members are so dorky, and they haven’t lost their charm still! :p

  34. Woah. People need to calm themselves. This is the internet. Writing your dissertations on why Simon and Martina are offensive to you because you cannot accept how they talk about your favorite group is silly. Getting upset about what people say on the internet is the silliest thing. Personally I agree/disagree with S&M. I don’t really know Shinhwa’s history, but I understand they helped shape the kpop landscape. It’s like the BSB comeback for those familiar. When I was 10 I was obsessed, but when they came back on the radar a few years ago I wasn’t really interested, in fact it felt kind of weird to see them and hear them together because that image of the BSB when I was young is what is imprinted in my mind, not them 10 years later and 10 years older. By no means are they unattractive or too old for the business, it’s just a weird experience. Watching the Shinhwa video it was weird at first because they are older than the average kpop idol, and that by no means diminishes their talent or appeal, but it was strange to see mature kpop idols portrayed in a manner that is similar (by no means the same) in comparison to current idol groups. Personally I happen to LOVE the song and plan on following Shinhwa casually as their promotions continue, but they didn’t blow S&M away. If they didn’t blow me away I’d acknowledge who they are, but not really spend time sucking up to Shinhwa fans. 

    Regardless, welcome to the internet where not everybody likes the same things you do!

    • I feel that the internet is very much like real life, just an amplified version. Behind the screen there are still real people with real feelings.

      • The internet is much, much worse as far as irrational reactions to differing opinions goes. It’s the anonymity. 

        • I don’t want to butt in and I don’t really care about the different opinions about Shinwha. Nevertheless, I just wanted to say that the Internet forgets NOTHING and anonymity – I would not bet on that. =/
          Real life often seems to get forgotten faster.

  35. I wasn’t around when Shinhwa was relevant, and I didn’t learn about them until couple of months ago, but I love them boys. I am not a die-heart fan (A proud JAYWALKER!), but they are my favorite band after 2ne1 and Big Bang. In fact, I think I like them just as much as I like Big Bang.

    I do not condone some of the harsh comments people have left for you guys, but I do think some of the hate was born out of how you guys expressed yourself in the video. I understand that you do not know about Shinhwa and it’s unfair for us to expect you to like them, but you could have been a little more sensitive with your words. Then again, it’s your blog and it’s your choice how your express yourself, so I guess we don’t have the right you tell you what you should and should not say. I just wanted to say that as much as the die-hard fans are over-reacting, the video itself is also a little harsh. 

    Besides, as many have already pointed out, Shihwa’s fan base is different from other fan bases so I would not count just votes and youtube views as indication of their popularity. 

  36. It’s not worth my time to vote for ShinHwa in this blog. ShinHwa doesn’t need crappy reviews from these ignorant bloggers. ShinHwa Changjo are a bunch of nice people. We help new ShinHwa fans with songs recommendations, variety shows etc… 

    S&M aren’t getting this fandom because 1st ShinHwa was not around when they got into KPOP. It’s understandable. It’s ok even if they dissed ShinHwa saying they’re irrelevant to the current music scene because S&M know nothing about the rise of KPOP, the corruptions, the hurtful journey of KPOP idols. ShinHwa is Legendary because they’ve went through all that and survive the curse, the backstabbing, the awards corruption and more.

    They’re sending message to all idols groups out there to never give up hope and stand for your rights. There’s nothing wrong in making fun of idol groups and it’s fine if you want to make fun of ShinHwa but what makes this review hurt is that no matter how hard we Changjos tried to explain and recommend S&M ShinHwa’s material, they just brush it off and playing the dumb foreigners mindset saying, “We didn’t know.” (look at the way they reply to their so-called “butt-hurt” fans comments)

    We’re not saying you have to bow down to ShinHwa like OMG! they’re gods! No. It’s ok to not like their songs either. Different people different mindsets & opinions and that’s OK! It’s just that in KPOP you should respect the ones who pave the way for these current/future idols. Your idols are standing on stage today because of their dreams of becoming like ShinHwa. I don’t have to list names. 

    The word reunite has been wrongly associated with ShinHwa. They didn’t disband. ShinHwa simply making their comeback as any other singers or idols. They stand as one and leave as one. They don’t simply promote ShinHwa with 2 or 3 members just to maintain their popularity. They promote as ShinHwa because of their fans. They always fulfill their promise no matter if it’s a promise to have a full concert in Singapore or promise to comeback after serving their country. They’ve always fulfilled these promises. 

    This comeback is not based on popularity and money but simply to return to their fans.

  37. I just don’t understand… many of you Changjos are claiming, “Oh, our fanbase as a whole is older and more mature, we don’t have time to do all the ridiculous things fans of younger groups do”… but how mature is it exactly to pounce on  and rant away to people for sharing their opinions and liking different music than you and not knowing your fanclub name and …God forbid, making a penis joke?! I don’t know about the rest of you, but those who aren’t amused by a well-placed penis joke are just a bit too srs business (I’m so serious, yeah!) for me.

    • I personally think that the things you have pointed out are things that the fans are least concerned about. It’s this part that was upsetting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMpj4Dgbaco&t=1m24s. They sound very dismissive of Shinhwa’s comeback and that’s what angered the fans. Again, I am neither a die-hard Shinhwa fan, nor do I condone the many harsh comments people have left, but I do think people had the right to be upset over this video.

  38. I really wasn’t that interested in Shinhwa’s comeback to tell the truth, but after watching their mv and live performance i was like MIND BLOWN! I was like WHOA! These 30 year old guys are GOOD! And now I have Venus on replay! Now I’m not saying that I’m a Changjo, but I can see why they are kpop legends!!! As a VIP, i hope that BigBang lasts as long as they did, and i hope that Shinhwa can set an example to all the other groups, to not break up!!! (I’m currently watching Shut Up Flower Boy Band so I’m a bit emotional on the topic of boy bands breaking up :P) 

  39. Sorry to go off topic like this, but…

    Haters are hating on Kpop again!! Show them our strenght!! Vote for Wonder Girls here, and let the world know the power of the Kpop Family!!!

  40. S&M, I’m reading through your replies, and I think you’re taking this whole thing the wrong way…  Many disappointed people are normal fans of EYK and not part of Shinhwa fanbase (including myself, I never knew them before, but I felt disappointed anyway)…
    For sure, many comments were rude (as in many other videos), but I found the majority of them to be well written. I also understand why you’re getting defensive and bitter, …. I just want to suggest that you try to separate hateful comments from the honest ones (there are many of them) and see why this happened.
    This kind of massive reaction doesn’t come from one fandom alone.
    I think there were problems in your review and also in your reaction to critics. I don’t want you to brush off this issue just like another fandom rage. I feel like you are closing off yourselves from any fault right now.
    It seems like every disagreeing comment you get, gets flagged as a “butthurt fan” now. It is not the case. Don’t forget the many positive and lovely comments you get usually on your video from your fans. Those are maybe the same ones voicing their disappointment this time. I don’t want you to be happy with your fans just when they are praising you. I do think there are many valid points that were raised by people in this issue and I feel like you are completely shutting down to them and you refuse to hear them.

    I hope my comment won’t upset you, because I really love you, I always watch your videos and they always cheer me up. I feel like you are my friends. I’m writing this because I’m feeling a little upset myself about this.
    Be strong and continue to make nice videos. I’m looking forward to them.

    • Hiya!

      Thanks for the nice comment.  Really.  We’re thankful for all of the positive comments, and do take the time to respond to them and to thank people for them as well, as you will see many times in this thread, no?  But we’re also taking the time to respond to negative comments strongly, which is something we don’t usually do.  This doesn’t mean that we’ve stopped valuing the positive comments, though!

      • Thanks, I’m glad I did not upset you. ^_^
        It’s ok to respond strongly, but don’t get too agressive in your replies, ok? ^_^
        I’m looking forward to your next videos, especially WANK, my favourite segment. Bye~♪

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