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1) Shinhwa “Venus”Vote for them here!

 

I’m kinda worried about what we said here for Shinhwa. See, back when we started Kpop Music Mondays, we talked about a lot of bands that we weren’t really familiar with. As time passed we got to know them more, understand them better, and kind of get to appreciate the inside culture of their fandoms. We’re more comfortable now with our Music Mondays than we were back when we started. Talking about Shinhwa today kinda brings us back to those first few reviews, when we still felt new. Shinhwa doesn’t really mean anything to us. We know they’re legendary, and that they mean a lot to other people, but they are before our time, and so they don’t really resonate with us. Sure, they resonate with lots of other people, but they don’t really seem to resonate with our KpopCharts audience, either. No servers are crashing for them. No votes are getting flooded. And so, they’re not having as big an impact as we thought they might, but we’re not surprised.

Long story short, we can only talk about Shinhwa based on the song we heard today…which is alright. Nothing really that takes us by storm. And the video is of confident men rather than of growing boys…so…yeah. Decent song, we guess!

2) CNBlue “Hey You”Vote for them here!

 

Last week we talked about CNBlue and couldn’t really say much about their video, which was cool for being artistically shot, but not something to really talk about. This video is much more up our alley! So many white people! Wow! Seriously: how did they get on set for that? What company do they work for? I’m hoping that one of you reads our blog and can answer this question for us. Come on! Don’t be shy! And – you potential trolls – don’t use this as an opportunity to pretend you were there just to lead us on. PICS OR IT DIDN’T HAPPEN!

3) BtoB “Insane”- Vote for them here!

 

BATOOBA

BATOOBA

BAOOTBA

BATOOBA

Kpop: stop making ridiculous names. Seriously. This is such a bizarre WTF name that I can’t even concentrate on anything else apart from my sheer confusion for stupid names. It’s like you eat alphabet soup and poop out band names. Stop it already.

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  1. *Three Shinhwa members speak English. Are you forgetting our Hyesungie? >.> And Junjin’s, Dongwan’s and Minwoo’s English is great too so it doesn’t sound like P-Nus at all. :D

  2. BTOB is not a stupid naaaammmmeeeee!!!!!! its cool cause it stands for “born to beat”!!!!!! have your own thoughts Simon but I think its awesome!!!!1

  3. Whoa, whoa. What’s with all the mean comments, all of a sudden? Like, the first ten are (respectfully and not) telling M&S that they don’t know what they’re talking about. Shinhwa are awesome and talented, yes. But they’re right. They’re older. It makes sense for them to have an older fanbase. That doesn’t mean you can’t like them as a younger viewer. Hell, look at Bi/Rain and Leeteuk. They’re both ten years older than I am, but I’d come running in a heartbeat. They’re also promoted more overseas (my country), and more currently.

    Today’s popular image is that of the Flower Boy. SHINee and SuJu both have that image and they are the more currently popular. I’m not saying Shinhwa doesn’t have a large fanbase, but here’s the three types of people I run into most who like them:

    Old fans, who were fans back when they were mid-career.

    K-Pop obsessives, who know most bands since 1980.

    K-Pop hipsters. “Oh, you listen to SHINee? They’re cool, I guess. My favorite’s Shinhwa. They’re kind of the original, you know? But, I mean, SHINee’s ok too.”

    It’s like the Rolling Stones. Sure, they have younger fans. But the majority (not whole of, but majority) of people at all their comeback concerts will be the three groups I stated above.

    TL; DR –  In a foreign audience, what’s current is what’s most  popular. Current is not Shinhwa, even though they have talent.

  4. cnblue is the best kpop band
    without the dancing routines and robotic moves
    they are the freestyle of what kpop would be if it decided to freestyle! lol
    cnblue so cool so charming
    should listen to in my head solely composed by yonghwa and the japanese single where you are also composed by yonghwa
    that is the true sound of cnblue and the future sound hopefully

  5. I once read somewhere that you should never read the “comments” section of the media you watch on internet because that is where people go to forget their manners and just say whatever they want, unfiltered.

    I made the grave mistake of looking through the comment section on this post. Oh my! Who knew people get so worked up over a difference of opinion on MUSIC? Seriously.. it’s a band, people, not reproductive rights.

    Simon and Martina, you guys still rock. Haters gonna hate. Your true fans love you – and respect your opinions even if they are different from our own.

  6. I just don’t understand… many of you Changjos are claiming, “Oh, our fanbase as a whole is older and more mature, we don’t have time to do all the ridiculous things fans of younger groups do”… but how mature is it exactly to pounce on  and rant away to people for sharing their opinions and liking different music than you and not knowing your fanclub name and …God forbid, making a penis joke?! I don’t know about the rest of you, but those who aren’t amused by a well-placed penis joke are just a bit too srs business (I’m so serious, yeah!) for me.

  7. Just to add my two cents ^^:

    I was also disappointed with the opinion of Simon and Martina, I hoped they’d as excited as I was for this return but no…. and it’s alright ! You guys have your own opinion (I almost always agree with you^^) so I wasn’t offended or anything.

    The first time I heard Venus I was a bit surprised, the chorus I thought was a little weird (my loooooove ….Venus), that the Venus bit was a bit off but it grew on me and I can’t stop listening to it and mimicking (or trying to) the choregraphy (and looking ridiculous while doing it).

    I do believe that Shinhwa is more than just music. While I do love their music, I discovered the boys with Xman and their amazing personalities. They are incredibly funny. I suggest you watch Win Win with Shinhwa or the Shinhwa Broadcast, it may help understand a bit the history of Shinhwa (debut, success, though times…). 

    While Shinhwa was popular (and still is), it was honestly never as big as g.o.d or h.o.t (they debuted before and were a revolution for SK) but unlike all the other groups, Shinhwa stuck together even after they “separated” with the army or solo activities, they always promised they would come back as a group. And after 14 years, they are still together. 

    They are all signed under different companies (some even have their own!) so in order to do their group activities, they created a company (Shinhwa Company) and each brought in an equal amount of money, all that just to keep their promise to their fans and come back as a group. They are not nearly as young as the new groups out there, they don’t have the same stamina (Hyesung and Andy got injured during this come-back) and their dance can’t be as impressive as it used to be but it’s still awesome. 

    Instead of fighting with them over something so trivial (they weren’t even that harsh!), let’s vote for Shinhwa and try to make them win the kpop charts :)

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    If you don’t want to read all of this, a little recap: song is great, the guys are awesome and Simon and Martina are entitled to their own opinions. Let’s vote for Shinhwa – Venus !

  8. I actually like this piece.  SHINWA may be a legend but for those of us new to KPOP, we can only base our opinion of SHINWA on what they have shown us recently.  As for myself, since there have been news that the legend SHINWA was making a comeback, I was quite open to see what they have in store.  I was also not pleased because the material is pretty much what I see everyday in the kpop sphere.  Not to say it’s bad.  It’s just that it did not stand out (not with me and not with the general present-day kpop community) which explains why it did not create a buzz the way SHINEE and EXO are getting. I think that is the same opinion held by Simon and Martina so why should it be wrong and all of you who have known SHINWA forever be right? 

    If you think differently, speak out but don’t be disrespectful… and don’t attack the people who gave opinions.  Not everyone thinks the same.

  9. Yes ZackEager is young.  He’s an opinionated little fuck and so am I.  We agree to disagree.  Every band listed in this argument, I am probably old enough to be everyone’s mom.  But I digress,  I love Kpop and I love to perv on Kpop,  Jailbait, 20’s, 30’s.. it’s all good.   Never heard Shinhwa sing til this video and yes I did like it.  Then again, Ren from NU’EST gets my motor running too…. :P
    BTW, I am 47  Old enough to know better and old enough not to give a shit….
    /keeponperving

  10. Child, please.  You demand an apology video because you don’t agree with their opinion and you’re offended? What about what Simon said was rude?  He was very polite when he was talking about Shinhwa.  It doesn’t matter if you agree with it or not they did/said nothing that requires an apology. 

    People need to know the difference between stating an opinion and being rude.  They’re only responsible for what they say and how they say it.  The rest is up to the viewers to be mature and understand that they’re simply stating what they think – which is why people watch their videos anyway.

  11. Some people really need to grow up. What the hell is with all this bashing and bad comments? It’s just a video about THEIR opinion on this song. If you disagree with them, this is it. Everyone has different opinions, you can’t kill people for what they think. From what I see they didn’t bash Shinhwa, neither did they say harmful things about them…They just said what they thought while being funny as always. This is why I think they are awesome, because they say what they think about songs and stuff even  if it’s a positive or negative thing. They are honest and this is the most important thing. 
    If you think their opinion is wrong, if you hate them or whatever why do you even spend your time commenting? This doesn’t make sense.Oh and I almost forgot, they made fun of Big Bang, they made fun of Shinee, SJ (And by the way I’m an ELF and I won’t get angry if they said sth. negative about them because, as I said it’s just their opinion and it won’t change my love for the group)  and so many other groups so your comment is invalid :P Simon, Martina, Spudgy, thanks for making awesome videos all the time. I respect you and I love your videos! You always make me laugh even if I’m not in a good mood. Don’t let these comments affect you and your work, because some people are just stupid. Go on and make honest videos like this! Love you, guys!

  12. First off: I wouldn’t care if anyone bashed any band I like. Why? Because it’s just their opinion! It doesn’t effect ANYTHING! I still like the band! The band is still successful! Yay all around!

    Second: Shinhwa will always will be a legend to those people that know Shinhwa, but that will NEVER change the fact that we just personally don’t know them! It’s not an insult, it’s just a plain old fact. 

    Third: We make fun of TONS of fan club names and the names of actual kpop bands! It’s just for fun.

  13. Even I do not agree with some words spoken by Simon and Martina, I still respect their opinion. We all have different point of view and the diversity makes life become more interesting. I do not expect everybody has the same feeling as me, for what I feel when Shinhwa makes their comeback. They are coming back, for me, it made my day. So we should put all the drama aside and just enjoy their music, don’t take everything to heart.

    I think all the 6 members of Shinhwa are aware of how their fans are feeling, because before they went in hiatus in 2008 due to military service, they gave their fan a goodbye concert, and the CF of their concert reflected their thoughts. You can check out the CF here. Personally, I love that CF, it showed even if their fans grew older, have other interest, Shinhwa was, be, and will take  a special place in their heart. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qasA7yByU4A). The background music for the CF is “Throw my fist”, one of their hits. 

    Instead of blaming Simon and Martina, I think it will be better if we can show this wonderful couple about Shinhwa rather than just throw words to fly all over the place. Dear Simon and Martina, if you are new with Shinhwa, one of the song I can recommend to listen to is “Once in a lifetime” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-OhegVtbaQ). If you see the MV, you can actually spot UEE of After School before her debut ^____^~. Or, you can check out “Brand new”, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR46mwxCanY), another hit of them, which the MV and the dance has some similarity to their new song “Venus”.

    I wish both of you all the best. Love

  14. All they said was they didn’t know if Shinhwa was still popular enough to comeback, and they even admitted they might be wrong.

    It’s like Madonna, a legend in her own time, but her new album flopped because she is not that popular with the younger generation. Simon and Martina just said that the same thing MIGHT happen to Shinhwa.

    Anyway, about the Cn Blue thing, I think it is possible that they filmed it in L.A. while they were there for their concert.

  15. I’m not sure what to say but… I love you Guise. I wait for Tuesday every week to see you k-pop music Monday. (and WANKing, of course) and I’m feel awful to see many discourage comments about this week video. But I gotta say We all can make mistake. You done yourselves this time. I agree with some comment below such as you video is not fun as it used to be. (which i ask myself why too. In some older video, I laughed my side-sore) and Please do some research next time (which i know you do and just tried to be funny). For the sexual related jokes, I don’t know since i’m Asian and not Korean. Sometime is funny and sometime is just plain dead. Maybe reconsider your script more.

    The reason I started to follow your blog is you dare to make fun of K-pop Band. That’s right. In my country, we love K-pop in younger generation. it expand their fan base more and more, which I find disturbing at that time I just new to K-pop and saw many Thai artist follow K-pop footstep. Enough story about me. One day I tried to find some M/V to watch and I found you Guise. and Boy, I love it ! How you make fun of K-pop M/V that is what I’m looking for to see other side of it that fan girl won’t approve. (So keep making fun of them even it have to be BigBang or VIP)

    Thanks for being part of my life that introduce me to Korean culture, music and many more. 
     
    Please Don’t feel bad about other comment so much, refresh yourselves and  keep on making good quality video. ^U^

    P.S. Sorry for my Simon-Won’t-Approve English. I haven’t use it properly for long time….  

  16. Hi Simon & Martina,
    yeah, i don’t know anything about Shinhwa either, other than that they sounded very familiar and were suppose to be a very big group when I was younger. And yeah, i agree, they are really the “man-band” now, compared to the innumerous boybands that sprouting up like crazy with their flower boys (and wedding bouquet what nots!). But that generation gap aside, i must say their comeback with Venus is still cool. Given that they have been away (for more than a couple of years?), I really dun expect them to return crashing servers like before. But their performance of Venus is still unmistakably that of the pros on stage to me. Welcome back, Shinhwa! Storm up Kpop again!

  17. Firstly, you guys are the fans and this is Simon and Martina’s blog. You don’t have the right to say anything about their opinion, you can only disagree. They were totally respectful while giving their opinion. And really, their opinion wasn’t even harsh. They said they don’t know them so they are just like any other band to them. Since they don’t know them, they have to judge them based on their talent and not their legendary status. Venus didn’t leave an impression on them which is fine. I like Venus a lot personally, regardless of the fact that the group is a legend or not. This is how you should judge a song/video.You need to put aside fandoms and judge songs and videos objectively. Simon and Martina are very good about putting aside the fandoms and being object, judging songs/videos by how good they are rather then how popular groups are even when it comes to bands they love. And honestly that’s what you all should do. I frowned a little when Simon and Martina called them old, but it’s all in good fun it’s not like they were being malicious and saying “your too old, go away”. It’s a fact that they are older compared to other boy bands but I like this about them. If you don’t like what they have to say, just leave.

    Secondly, I’m 20. I’m young. I think it’s a fact that us EYKs are of the younger generation and therefore we don’t know much about Shinhwa. They didn’t crash the site, but they did make it to the number 3 spot even when their not well known to some of us, so I think that shows talent. (Which Simon and Martina NEVER implied that they don’t have talent.)

    And to all of you telling Simon and Martina they’re harsh in their video, it’s called humor. You have to find things to make fun of and it’s all in good fun. Simon and Martina are not malicious people, unlike some of you guys trying to make them feel shitty over nothing. I thought the “Venus” “penis” thing was hilarious and if you didn’t find it funny that’s fine, but if your gonna be malicious no one ever said you had to watch these videos. We don’t want you here.

    Simon and Martina, you guys are great. I think what you do is awesome. It’s thanks to you guys that I discovered my love for k-pop. You guys have introduced me to so much awesome music, you keep me updated, make me laugh hysterically, and give me an outlet for k-pop loving all the way here in America where I have basically no k-pop loving friends. Being famous has it’s up and downs but don’t ever let it get you too down, because you’ll always have people who support you not matter what. Stay strong <3 hwaiting! Your my luv uh! uh! uh! uh! uh! uh! Venus (or penis, you're preference)

    Ps. I totally want to see this video get reviewed after all this drama.

  18. You guise know when watching a simonandmartina video you will hear their opinion on a subject! Their own personal opinion if you don’t like to hear and respect their opinions then don’t watch ^-^ I wuv you Spudgy , Martina and Simon <3

    • I’m tired of this “don’t like don’t watch” attitude …. Simon and Martina express their opinions, post videos for people to see. Viewers are as much entitled to their opinion as Simon and Martina, and their way of expressing themselves is through comments and like or dislike button. Blogs are made for exchange of opinions.
      I find most of the responses here and on YT respectful and articulated in their thoughts. Simon asked for viewers opinions in the video as well.
      I watch and appreciate S&M for a long time now, and it is because I care about them that I bother to post my thoughts. Otherwise I would not waste time typing and thinking.
      On this particular video I disagree with them, but that doesn’t meen I don’t respect their opinions. Exchange of opinions makes people grow.

  19. This is the first Shinhwa’s song i’ve ever heard, not expecting anything at first. But then, i love it so much! It grews on me surprisingly quick. After watching the video (like,.. ten times :p), i just dive in to their past and current variety shows. They are funny as hell!! I guess they are born to be entertainers and that doesn’t age. Comparing them to NKOTB is kinda unfair, bcs when NKOTB occured their comeback single “Summertime”, they are too old for that single. It doesn’t really fit their age and leave the pedobear impression to me. kkkk sorry, just my opinion. But Shinhwa members are still on their early 30s, so if you compare them to BSB or NSYNC or Westlife, that is fair. Bcs i consider Mark from Westlife is still hot (though his gay, but its ok :’) ). IMO, Venus fits the man-band concept and Shinhwa still manage to have their charisma among kpop fans, not only fan in their time. And, i guess Venus is climbing up to number 3 on your chart, right? :))

  20. yes, the playlist mode is broken.
    the latest Kcrunch coctail also was like this…

    talking about SHINHWA once again. I do not think that Simon and Martina were mean because they said about Shinhwa’s impact on nowadays kpop charts as irrelevant. I think they were a bit mean because they seemed to talk too ironicly –> it looked like they were forced to say something nice but they didn’t want to.
    I love sarcasm but it is passive aggressive behaviour. and people who are Shinhwa’s Changjo took it into themselves.

    on the other hand, I do not think that flame-war here would help. stop fighting with mean words. it is for nothing and only show your frustration. it won’t help – but instead will show you as immature people.

    btw, I also do not understand BILASA :(
    :D

  21. I dun know why i felt ‘offended’ by S&M views on SHINHWA. I personally barely knew them. I just knew eric becoz he is an actor for Que sera sera and Muyng Wol the Spy and Andy for the Season 1 We Got Married… I never knew their past song and what I feel when reading on ur post is like u guys just dont give any space for them… U guys also barely knew them but SERIOUSLY guys i hope U guys can be more open minded… TQ… I love VENUS aka PENIS…. hahaha

  22. hmmm the playlist doesn’t work too great this time. It plays your videos in playlist mode, but omitts the musicvideos.

  23. wow, you just dissed Shinhwa.  If this words gets out you’ll never get another interview with KPOP anything in the future.  You guys are really, really clueless about the almost mythical status of Shinhwa has not just with all current KPOP idols but the entire nation of Korea.  You best hope this video doesn’t get viewed by a real Korean in the industry.   You’ll be shunned everywhere… hope you can keep this going w/o actually going anywhere close to actual KPOP stars or insiders. Let’s see if the U-Kiss boys will even look at you after seeing this travesty.

  24. I understand Batooba and Batoost… but I don’t get Bilasa.  I feel like I’m so slow on picking up the joke.  I hope someone explains. Thanks. :D

  25. is no one mentioning SM using the poorly lit room for shinwha and that the girl floating at the end was scary..lol.. good song though!

  26. fun fact back in the day was a Wednesday!  hahaha just thought id lighten the mood 

  27. CUBE needs to hire a new stylist… BtoB looks EXACTLY like B2ST

  28. omg S and M i made a comment how i thought your review of shinee’s vid was more enthusiastic than your big bang.. i was just joking and stuff and people started replying and freaking out that I thought bb was better than shinee. and i was like well i do like BB better but just an opinion. and people kept freaking out so i had to delete the comment. so now I understand what you go through because It was one comment and a couple of replies but these fans are crazy! you cant have your own opinion they stress out major.. I feel bad for you cause a ton of people were commenting about your shinhwa review.. im not knowledgable about them because they werent together when i got into kpop but the song is catchy and they are cute and probably closer to my age than daesung *my husband*, but yea so stay strong and to all the Changjo’s,,, i understand your upset but give them a break. they were just saying…there opinion.. everyone is entitled.. just like i think Daesung should marry me.. you may disagree,,,,lol

    • Haha sorry to hear about your bad experience! The worst part about this is that we don’t even dislike Shinhwa! We were literally talking about our personal kpop chart ranking and joking about their age! TOTALLY JOKING but now even if we got to know Shinhwa’s music, the crazy fans would be like, “YOU’RE FAKING IT!! AGHHHH!” if we don’t like them, “YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW GREAT THEY ARE! ARGGHHHH!!” You really can’t win at this point. This is really the ugly side of kpop fandoms. Next time we meet Daesung, I’ll put in a good word for you! ^^

  29. dear Simon let me clarify you regarding the names of kpop bands
    they are called backronims (I think it’s spelled like that) check it on wikipedia and there is a hole article there
    and b2st is not read batoost as you say since 2 in Korean is 이 you read it  비르트 (I think that is how you spell it in Korean)
    so… hope this clarifies some misunderstandings :D

  30. omg i thought i was the only late 20’s that loved kpop! thank God im not alone!!

  31. ok even though Shinhwa didnt get a lot of votes and I agree with Simon on his point,,, I actually liked the song a lot! .. i hadnt really listened to kpop when i was younger so i didnt know them too well but in reality they are probably at the age that I should be swooning over since the other band’s members (like shinee or exo) that I love are way to young for me lolol… im a noona ..lol

  32. 1. Vussy — i died haha 2. S Club 7 Reference… wow i havent heard about them in forever THROW back!  i love it!

  33. I wonder if you guys will do a TLDR one of these days about fandoms and the comments you guys get.

  34. yes… we’re called BOICE ^w^….

  35. The thing about the V is that koreans in general have problems speaking the V and most times comes like a P or B… Trying seeing Infinite’s Nothing’s Over to see what I mean. S&M are not saying that Shinhwa speaks venus wrong, but that many will… it’s the same with the F sound. Ever heard in tv someone calling Fei from Miss A or Tiffany from SNSD? They speak the F like a P…

  36. Why are people calling Simon and Martina ignorant? I see their point. Shinhwa’s a well respected band and they even acknowledged that fact. They weren’t being rude or disrespectful but they were trying to be playful. It’s the same attitude they have with all of their other videos. People don’t exactly get butthurt when they make fun of other idol groups, do they?
    In my opinion, Simon does have a point. Although Shinhwa’s INCREDIBLY popular, their fans from several years ago have all grown up. However, I’m not saying that they’ve lost their fan base. The fans that have grown into their late twenties are thirties have MATURED (I need to caps lock for emphasis). They have jobs and families now and less time for stalking their idols, going to concerts, or dedicating shrines towards Shinhwa. People who are obsessed and stalk their idols are typically students who do not have to focus on work and stuff. Adults are generally more busy, I’m assuming? Yes, I agree there are a lot of fans still, but there won’t be a lot of super FANATICS, which is what we see normally from SHINee, Super Junior, 2PM, etc. It’s us fanatics who repeatedly vote for our favourite obsessions that allow them to win, whether it was on eatyourkimchi or any other site. And whether people like it or not, companies and businesses love promoting groups that have more obsessed fans, because that equals more $$$.

  37. But now you are adding words to my mouth and that’s not fair. I never talked about how popular or legendary Shinhwa is or that the song is AMAZING, so your points are kinda invalid to my comment.

    I have also lived in Korea for over two years and even teach children, and for the record I have never heard my students mistaken the word Venus as Penis before, especially when the word venus exists directly in Korean. Maybe I’m surrounded by students who have good pronunciations, but that has never been the case. 

    but I’m glad that we can at least agree that there is nothing wrong with confident men though.

    •  i never added any words to your mouth. i said shinhwa is not as popular or legendary as “their fans” (not grace hong) would like everyone else to believe.   perhaps i shouldn’t have used that comment as a reply to your comment but i was just making my point as to why simon and martina may think they are “irrevelant”.  i understand the impact they’ve had on kpop but artistically speaking they don’t much for me.  i admire the loyalty of the shinhwa fans but you shouldn’t expect everyone else to feel the same way – including simon and martina.  it’s great that you had students with excellent english pronounciation skills but if you lived in korea for that long you of all people should know that many koreans do mix up the V sound for a B/P. i’m not sure if you’ll be able to read this person’s note on facebook but read #4 if you can https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=2210324107.  in case you can’t see it, the note is called “top 10 quotes from korean students/teachers and it says “4. “You look like Penis” -Korean kid to my woman co teacher (he meant she looks like Venus)”.  if you’re still not convinced hear infinites “nothing’s over”

      btw, your first paragraph in reply to my comment just proved my point and their point. 

      • I see how you can say that, but you read my comment wrong. When I emphasized AMAZING, i wasn’t STATING that it was amazing and that EVERYONE should think it was amazing.  you just kind of inferred that and maybe it was my mistake for writing it in that way. I was trying to sarcastic and be an enthusiastic fan girl, but that didn’t carry out very well. oh the world of the interwebs. 

        anyways, 
        I honestly don’t want to keep arguing with you because I know that whatever I say is not going to change your mind since you are adamant about S&M being able to state their opinions, and I am completely fine with that. You’re right, this is S&M’s blog and they can say what they want.
         
        i’m not trying to get S&M to change their opinions – I even said that in my original post. I’m not God or a dictator. 
        S&M said they know Shinhwa’s ‘legendary’, but don’t really know why – all I asked for S&M was get to know them, instead of spewing out and implying random things about them to the EYK fanbase. That’s why I want Shinhwa to win for music mondays, so S&M can learn about why Shinhwa is ‘legendary.’

        As for the V/B/P sound, for a Korean, who knows the song’s name is a Venus and is speaking in Korean, they will never pronounce it as penis. 비너스, 피너스 – there is a huge difference. Now maybe if they were in a setting when they had to speak english, it’s might be different, like your example. 
        So maybe I was wrong, but I still stand by my comment about how only immature people would notice venus = penis.

        • In the old (McCune-Reischauer) Romanization, 비 was Romanized as “pi” because the Korean /b/ sound at the outset of a word is a bit harder than /b/ in English, and so quite close to /p/ in English. This is why the surname 박 is commonly romanized as “Park”. In the old Romanization, 피 — now (officially) Romanized as “pi”, used to be “p’i” or “phi”, showing strong aspiration (notably stronger than in English). Thus, to the untrained English-hearing ear, 비너스 does sound like “penis” (especially since English does not have the unrounded front vowel).

  38. It really bothers me how you spelt “they’re” wrong. 

  39. I’m 33 now started listening to Shinhwa when I was 19 and it was one of the first groups that I got into when I first started listening to Kpop.  For the most part I think EYK is gear towards the 30 and below group.  For the group that is around 30 and above, we tend to be lurking in the background and not constantly vote and so it won’t be the best indicators..  The Shinhwa fans have all grown up, have kids, in the workforce now and for the most part been most loyal to this group. I respect your opinion on this but I would have to disagree you will having judge an idol group by how much traffic you get for a particular group and to note who their target audience group Shinhwa is mainly focusing and it’s their loyal fans. But to each to their own opinion. I really do enjoy all your videos Simon and Martina and I really am glad you stick to your guns on your opinions because it is your opinions and that is what makes your site works. All opinions in one way or another going to offend someone. Sigh.

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