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Plastic Surgery in Korea

December 12, 2013

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Back to serious topics for TL;DRs. Woohoo! This one is a subject that we’ve avoided for a long time, but I think we had enough to say about the subject now so that we could make a video about it, even though, we know, it’s impossible to talk about everything at once. Hopefully we could talk about it more here and in the comments :D

A few things we didn’t talk about in the video:

Though we’re more understanding about plastic surgery, and the blunt practicality of plastic surgery here in Seoul, we’re starting to wonder where we would draw the line, if we would draw one at all. It feels as if plastic surgery is a bit TOO accepted here, you know? Here’s something that surprised us and still surprises us to this day: plastic surgery is often given as gifts for good grades in school. Aced that exam? Here’s some double eyelid surgery for you! Passed the top of your class? You deserve a jaw shaving! While, yes, we know that getting these surgeries will give people in Korea better opportunities in the work force, it just feels like it’s too early to give to students. Too early! The idea iss being planted in them from a young age that specific looks are unacceptable, and something about it just reeks of innocence being lost. No? Am I romanticizing things a bit?

This is why we were a bit upset at Minzy getting a nose job. Don’t get us wrong: she has all the right to do whatever she wants to her body, and we’re not trying to deprive her of that right. We just don’t like how it all went down. YG denied that she had surgery at first, and said something along the lines of “oh noez she didn’t get surgery she just got older and byutifuller!” Minzy afterwards contradicted that and said that, yes, she got a nose job, but only because she suffers from rhinitis or something.

Now, I don’t know what her real motives are. I feel like the rhinitis excuse is BS. I googled if rhinoplasty will affect rhinitis, and online doctors said that it won’t, but it’s the freaking internet so it could be all lies. Hell, I’m a certifieded doctor as well! Believe me! Point is, I don’t believe her reason, and I feel like maybe other people don’t believe it as well. But that’s not what irks me. We just really thought that Minzy looked great before. Absolutely freaking adorable! There wasn’t anything wrong with her nose at all. She looked really lovely, and it felt like, for once, here was a major idol that embraced how she looked and didn’t cave into the pressure to change her appearance. Here was someone who could be a positive role model for high school girls with image issues. But…not anymore. Her nose looks nothing like what it was before, and she got it changed because she didn’t like the way it looked, which is telling other people with similar noses that theirs don’t look good, either. Again, Minzy has all the right in the world to do what she pleases with her body, and hers isn’t the job to be Korea’s self-esteem compass; I just don’t really like the circumstances around the surgery nor the message this instance sends.

Another thing we wanted to talk about in this post is getting plastic surgery in Korea as a foreigner. We’ve heard a few terrible things which have, in turn, scared the bajesus out of us. Namely, how do you, as a foreigner, place your trust in a surgeon? How do you prevent doctor swapping when you’re unconscious, for example? For those of you who don’t know, Doctor Swapping is the instance in which you would pay for surgery from, say, a great doctor with a fantastic reputation, but as soon as you’re unconscious they put in a different, lesser qualified doctor. Or what about companies that offer translation services for you as a medical tourist, and they recommend good clinics for you, but that’s at times only because they have a relationship with that clinic that’ll charge you double what they normally charge, for which the translator will get a cut of that cheque. Even in the forums that you read online, people are hired to post comments and give positive reviews. Fabricated online sentiments aren’t uncommon here.
Plastic surgery is big business in South Korea, and lots of money exchanges hands, and – unfortunately – business ethics when dealing with foreigners aren’t really the highest priority.

I don’t know. Those are some things to keep in mind, I guess. If you’re more interested in the topic, a friend of ours runs a good site on Plastic Surgery in Korea. He knows a lot more about the subject than we do, and has a bunch of good articles there if you want to look into it more.

Yeah! That’s it for this week’s serious TL;DR topic. Let us know what you think in the comment section below. We know this is a sensitive issue, and we really hope we didn’t offend too many people! Ah! Otherwise, if you like TL;DRs like this, make sure you click on this fancy pants button here. It’ll cure your rhinitis! I’m a doctor and I know!

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  1. Well, this was really interesting since I’ve been thinking about it for a while…I have nothing against small plastic surgery, untill it is something like getting your nose done a little better or something like that,..I mean, if it is something that people feel it’s necessary for themselves, since it causes a complex or a low self-esteem, then, why not? But, really, getting your face like redone all over again since you have to look like a barbie doll… NO! This is just too much…surgeries are surgeries, and there are lots of people that need to go through this kind of experience for more serious motives if you think about it…so, I guess even this time it is all about not overdoing it…exageration is always wrong…

    2 years ago
  2. Whenever I read someone mentioning PS, or someone doing PS, all I can think of is Playstation. I never heard plastic surgery called PS before :D

    2 years ago
  3. i had cb from korea last week… i meet a girl with full of bandage all over her face, bandage on her nose shopping in myeongdong…shopping in 1 of cosmetic shop….1st i feel sorry for her n thought she had a terrible accident that makes her face ‘damaged’ or something…but later on my sis who stand bside her said that its so obvious she had done PS…. no wonder n PS is something natural for korean ppl…

    2 years ago
  4. Exactly what I have been saying, it is like a “since we are at it why don’t we do both” It is a personal decision and something that maybe you wouldn’t get a surgery just for it but since for health reasons you have to do it why not doing that other thing that you have been wanting?
    I think people have been taking this Minzy issue too seriously and I don’t think that Simon and Martina can talk about her personal case, just stick to the surgery in general in Korea if not let’s talk about the Idols Factory that SM has with 90% of his artists going through surgery.
    Please try to be more objective.
    Thanks.

    2 years ago
    • I get their point as in she’s a role model but the at the same time she’s human and when people tells you everyday that you’re ugly it’s hard to keep your self steem high…Yeah SM idols have had ps but if I were to talk about idols that had ps I would talk about kwanghee and Bom

      2 years ago
      • oh yes, I also wonder how about kwanghee!! he even confess it himself in SH lol I kinda shocked and surprised. But it still doesn’t change the fact that he is quite funny and entertaining lol.. have bom ever confessed or hint something about her ps?? never, I think.. even after Bom kinda abvious look change, YG still said everywhere their artists are natural.. lol.. what a joke

        2 years ago
        • What YG said was that in the new girl group there was a non-PS clause for them…
          But he never said all YG Family was natural, that would be ridiculous, the perfect example would be Gummy, who was part of it and she admitted getting PS.

          2 years ago
        • Yeah the subject of Bom and PS have come up several times and YG has always denied it even tho it’s so obvious, even her voice has changed…

          2 years ago
        • Really though. The whole kpop world knows she got plastic surgery. It was fine to deny it before when she still looked like herself but come on she went from being the prettiest one in the group to now anytime anyone mentions her looks its PS talks. And yes her voice unfortunately got worse but that might be from misuse since she has been singing out of her range for the past couple years. I keep thinking of that video of her recoding for GD. She was forcing her voice over and over again. imagine doing that for years. she can end up with vocal cord nodules doing that

          2 years ago
      • Exactly and yeah I won’t deny any ps from any idol, I think it is not something to hide, or be ashamed of what I meant is that Minzy or YG is not the only one. If we were to talk about idols with PS we would have to talk about like 80-90% of idols? I just used it as an example but many idols had plastic surgery and won’t change my opinion on their personality or talent.
        For me Minzy was and is still beautiful ^^

        2 years ago
        • Yeah but I mean people who have gone overboard with ps… I mean like 80% of idols have done ps but they mostly do minimal stuff like eyelids or teeth… others get their nose and eyelids but they still remain with the same face which is ok… then you have people like kwanghee that changed everything, idk….

          2 years ago
        • Yeah, we have the same point there. I mean there are many idols that, in my opinion, were really beautiful before all the ps. But like they say here the ps culture in Korea is more common that what we can imagine. idk I won’t judge them and I hate when people does when they are not on those people’s shoes to know why they decided to do it.

          2 years ago
  5. After having lived in Korea, I can tell most of the time if they’ve had plastic surgery. This “skill” has transferred on to even noticing it a lot more in Hollywood. Before plastic surgery really bugged me but I’ve gotten so used to Koreans getting plastic surgery that I usually don’t mind if it’s just a small tweak. However, I have stopped watching dramas because the main lead has had too much surgery. I just can’t focus on the plot because all I see is their overdone face. I was also disappointed in Minzy. Like you said, she has the right to do whatever she wants to herself but I ask myself why? High bridged noses are wayyyy over rated. I liked her nose before a lot more, she looked very cute now she looks alien (as in foreign not the creature that lives on Mars).

    2 years ago
  6. Minzy’s surgery made me sad, I thought her nose was really cute.

    2 years ago
  7. This picture came to my mind for some reason.

    2 years ago
  8. I think you did a good job with this topic and I’m glad you pointed out in your text post that it is not idols job to be “Korea’s self-esteem compass”. As long as it is a choice made by them personally (and this goes for all people and not just idols), without it being the result of succumbing to the pressure of their company/fans/family/etc, then people have nothing to be upset about. People have different connotations with the subject and it wouldn’t be right to force your own views and opinions upon the decision of others.

    2 years ago
  9. Also, woah guys, what happened to the video quality (youtube, why you no HD!?!)

    2 years ago
  10. thank you for this interesting tldr. i also was thinking, that plastic surgery might be a bit too accepted in korea.
    btw in germany it´s also very ommon to attach a picture of you to your cv. They are trying to change it and it´s not bad if you don´t put a picture in it. But many companys maybe (!) won´t call you for an interview beause of that (although they are not allowed to do that only because of this reason). The reason for this is, that the people from the company want to see the person who is applying beforehand, but they can´t accept you only because you´re more good looking than another.
    strange system.

    2 years ago
  11. I do find the plastic surgery problem really serious. Everyone just looks the same. But I sort of have a different take on it. Just like how Koreans are quite competitive and always want to be ahead and just be better in everything, they want to perfect their face too. Don’t want tiny moles everywhere. Want CLEAR PERFECT skin. To a whole new level. They want their face to be perfect too. And although it wouldn’t be wrong to say koreans want to look more white, I don’t think they want to look Caucasian because they wanna be white, but rather because in reality, today’s beauty standards are more caucasian oriented. Black celebrities get hair weaves and nose jobs not because they don’t wanna be black but because in today’s standard, a wide nose isn’t exactly considered a positive feature. Same goes for flat noses in asians. They just want a more 3D-ness in their faces.
    And I think it also has something to do with getting jobs and just being judged by other people. I think everyone can agree, at first glance, you’d have a better first impression of a good looking person than a bad looking one (clothing styles and stuff put aside). And with all the same specs like the same college, same extra curricular activities, etc. Would the company choose the good looking person or bad looking person.
    I honestly think it’s a bit shallow but you can’t really blame them for reality… It wasn’t this bad just a few years ago but… I think it got really bad in like the past five to ten years.
    And this is my personal opinion but I don’t find those plastic looking faces attractive at all….

    2 years ago
  12. Ok, it’s complicated to talk about this but I’ll say another side here. I’m brazilian and here is like ‘normal’ to see girls who wants to have a plastic surgery too! people here have that stereotype that girl should have big ass and boops and toned figure however last years we had many cases of people who died because trusted in false doctors. Brazil have a very high number of surgeries per year and it’s increasing! The point is, here the people don’t have money and the facilities to have a plastic surgery but the Tv and the celebrities here openly say what type of surgery you can take.
    I think that artist and celebrities should be a example for other to don’t do that and not the opposite ):
    Look at how many famous and talented idols in Korea who are judge as ‘ugly’ and are as successful as the other ones :)

    2 years ago
    • you guys have that phrase too??? even in korea, people sometimes say ‘there are poor (or lazy) women, but no ugly women in the world.’

      2 years ago
      • hahaha anyone who lives in Brazil know this phrase because here we have so many celebrities who were poor and ‘ugly’ but after so much money and PS they became as skinny and toned as models like magic o.O
        I believe that makeup is like magic but sometimes is too obvious.

        2 years ago
  13. Oooh haven’t watched the video yet but such a serious topic gaiz O_O It’s really interesting that before my Korean Culture Obsession (KCO, or Kay Co for short), I didn’t approve of PS at all, now however, I’m more accepting of it. /strokes beard/ Interesting….

    2 years ago
  14. A friend of mine just went to Korea to teach, she was telling us how girls there dont support them the “american way”

    Ex.

    American Girl: I’m fat

    American Girl: No you are beautiful the way you are.

    Korean Girl: I’m ugly.

    Korean Girl: Yes you need surgery asap.

    As a highschool teacher did you see this in your students?

    2 years ago
    • In Korean culture it is not considered rude to make comments on body to a good friend or family member, of course in the appropriate context (it can still hurt feelings, though but not always). It is a very different social context and cultural space.

      2 years ago
    • yeah I never said that “the american way” was better… I just want to know if it was real or my friend just blow things out of proportion.

      2 years ago
    • And it’s not like it’s something taboo as Martina and Simon said. People freely talk about others and themselves getting it. I don’t see any hush hush about it. Articles are made about nose jobs and boob jobs and butt jobs and people also shave their jaws. A good example is Jennifer Aniston.

      The reason it might seem more a little it’s because, and I don’t mean to say this in an offensive way but a very objective one, people are hypocrites like that lol. They don’t outright say it because they pretend looks are not that big of a deal. At least Koreans are open to admit what they want and how to get it.

      2 years ago
    • The problem here is that there is a honesty factor in here. I’ve had the impression that Koreans are just frank people. I’d rather have that than polite hypocrisy. Westerns like to brag about the “you are so beautiful because you all come in all forms and shapes safdkajfsd” as if they were the special spiritual snowflakes who are obviously better human beings when cosmetic surgery was invented by them lol

      I think you went overboard though, if you are going to judge a situation judge it with the same arguments:

      American Girl: I’m fat.
      American Girl: No, you are beautiful the way you are.
      Korean Girl: I’m FAT.
      Korean Girl: Yes, you need to lose weight.

      American girl: I’m ugly.
      American girl: No, you are beautiful the way you are.
      Korean Girl: I’m ugly.
      Korean Girl: Yeah you are. Have you considered getting something done?

      You see what I did there? I left fat to fat and ugly to ugly. Your original analogy made it seem like the Korean girl was the worst.

      2 years ago
      • Plastic surgery wasn’t invented by America…in fact, plastic surgery dates back as far as ancient Rome and India. The modern father of plastic surgery is actually from New Zealand. Also, the reason we say “you are beautiful just the way you are” and things like that is not because we think we are all high and mighty.

        2 years ago
      • If you actually read my post I was asking if that was real…

        2 years ago
        • Yes and I didn’t agree with your analogy so I commented on that O.o

          2 years ago
    • as far as american celebrities yes they are all beautiful but if you look at them they are all different. each actress or actor are different and unique but are all considered beautiful but in korea they almost blend in. sometimes im watching dramas or just new girl groups come out and it takes forever to just figure out whose who. in america there are different types of beauty. angelina jolie is beatiful but she does not look anything like anne hathaway or jennifer aniston who are just as beautiful. but can you really say that about korean celecrities? who have the same face shape and eye shape and body type? no. so yes body issues and image is important everywhere and that sucks but america does a better job at encouraging people to love them selves for who they are and having inner beauty and confidence to make up for what you think you lack whereas korea only fixes the physical aspect of the problem

      2 years ago
      • “but if you look at them they are all different.”
        that’s because america is much more diverse to begin with. Korea is a very homogenous country, you cannot make such a comparison

        2 years ago
      • I can see the point you’re making, but just because Korea has a more …uh, I guess, “consistent” set of beauty standards than, say America, doesn’t mean that America is any better at it. Yes, Korea seems to be more rigorous in what they think is beautiful, but that does NOT mean America is good, or better than another country, at encouraging “people to love themselves”. Korea’s issues with beauty lie mostly in the face; America’s in the body. Two sides, same coin.

        And I can’t help but feel a little….well, the whole “can you say that about Korean celebrities” sounds a little too much like “all Asians look the same”. Not sure if that’s your intention, whether conscious or not…but you’re really looking at this from perhaps a Western or American point of view.

        The truth is that, if you’re not as familiar with people, you’re not as likely to be able to pick them out from other people who look similar, i.e. of the same race. There are a LOT of girl groups coming up, it’s hard to keep up with all of them, so yeah, they all look similar because they have similar features, not just because of surgery, but because anthropology and psychology. Conversely, the celebrities in America are more constant; you have mostly the same people. They become more familiar; you might not know who they are but you’ll see the same constant set of people often, compared to Korean entertainment where there’s newbies and rookies and such EVERY YEAR. A LOT of them, might I add.

        Does it change the fact that a lot of plastic surgeries have a conformity issue? Nope. A lot of people ARE getting the same sort of, “major” changes, where as plastic surgery in America seems to me more minor; Botox for wrinkles, maybe a bit of a nose job, etc, etc. Most people don’t change their eye (except wrinkles) because eye shape isn’t a part of America’s beauty “standards”. BUT. A lot of people are trying to lose weight, trying to conform to this singular idea of a beautiful body. Like I said, Korea might focus on the face, but America is basically the same with the body. You rarely see body diversity–at least not for women–in the media. Those who fall outside of that “standard” body are either crucified for it or are raised as martyrs for “being different”, when in fact, everyone in the real world is “different”.

        2 years ago
      • Don’t forget that Korean media also has diversity as well. Kpop idols look uniquely beautiful to me. Hyorin from Sistar looks nothing like Hyoyeon from SNSD, who looks nothing like CL from 2NE1, who looks nothing like Sohee from Wonder Girls. Yet all of them are gorgeous in their own ways. Same goes for the boys of Kpop. Actors and Actresses also are quite different (Gu Hyesun, Park Shinhye, Nam Gyuri, etc).

        What you’re looking at isn’t Korean media, it’s the ulzzang trend. Ulzzangs and models and high schoolers who have cosmetic surgery tend to look similar, because when it comes to ulzzangs, it’s very clear on what is beautiful, and there isn’t too much leeway on the subject.

        Also, take a look at American advertisements. Watch any commercial for men’s cologne. There is always a girl taking her clothes off and/or dancing sexily, and she’s always thin and tall and white with long hair and smokey eye makeup. The requirements for modeling agencies are also ridiculously restricting, if you look at them. And don’t forget those magazines that point out every celebrity’s flaws. Yet if a woman gets cosmetic surgery, she is looked down upon for not accepting herself. It’s like “Oh, your body is terrible, your nose is awful, and you look horrible without makeup… but why don’t you love yourself?”

        So I don’t think we have a right to say that any place is better than another when it comes to image. Every country has both good and bad points, and it’s not fair to say that one if above the other.

        2 years ago
      • Ina

        I personally wouldn’t say lack of diversity is as much of a problem as a greater emphasis on beauty. I’d argue that Korean celebrities are sometimes free-er to practice a variety of personal styles. For example, CL, Hyuna, and Amber each have their own unique definition of sexuality and style. Also, Amber and Eun Hye from Coffee prince have a boyish style which you don’t see in the US very much..
        And there are way more guy options and emphasis on male’s style and
        variety. I mean GD dyes his hair and changes its style more times than
        many female artists, and I can’t think of a comparable male celebrity in
        the US. Though there are male-fashion icons in the US I’d say the
        majority of male celebrities don’t put as much effort into dressing for
        events and music videos as female celebrities, whereas in Korea this is
        more equal. So I wouldn’t necessarily say that there is less diversity.
        at least from what I’ve seen in the media. Though there are obviously
        other problems with image.

        2 years ago
      • But that’s because Korean are still a very, in the strict sense of word, pure race. They didn’t get mixed up with other races, so they are obviously going to look similar to an extent.

        I still see some white people and think they are similar, only to find out they aren’t. Just as I see some black people and think the same, and that’s because I might not be accustomed enough to their proportions or their aesthetics to notice the differences, because I don’t hang out, see them or interact with them enough like they do each other.

        That whole mentality of “America does a better job at encouraging people to love themselves” is a big pile of hypocritical bullshit. It’s called mollycoddling and nationalist empowerment because “omg we are the better human being you sallow Asian nutjobs”.

        2 years ago
        • Actually I agree with you that America isn’t better at encouraging people to love themselves. It’s just our nation is so diverse/mixed that we have more standards to work with rather than other countries like Korea that has pretty much a set ideal. Tall stick skinny-oh you’re like a Caucasian model, a little more filled out-you have sexy curves like a latina, beauty standards r still there it’s just were mixed enough where if u can’t fit 1 u can try to work wit another ethnicity. Skinny still a universal trend though. What I think makes westerners so against plastic surgery is they think it’s a cop out. I saw a article about a guy who paid almost $90,000 on plastic surgery & even had muscle implants all over his body. He never excercised a day in his life yet he looked like a swimsuit model, & people were enraged cuz he didn’t work for his looks. Like “I work out daily, & nearly starve myself to death & u pay for lypo. That’s not fair u didn’t earn it!” Or I was born beautiful, I’m blessed. Ur average? Makeup should help you look better. You’re ugly? That’s ok u should love urself for who u are. But the second any of the lower category gets surgery to even the playing field. “Oh, that’s not natural.” Don’t get me wrong couldn’t do plastic surgery cuz I wouldn’t think that the person after was still me but I can understand reasons.

          2 years ago
      • i just wanted to comment that the thing you mentioned about korean actresses pretty much blending in together sometimes isnt necessarily plastic-surgery related but ethnicity related. angelina jolie(german, slovak, french canadian, dutch) and anne hathaway(irish, french, native american, german) and jennifer aniston(greek, italian, scottish, irish) all have completely different ethnic backgrounds while 99 percent of korean actresses you’re gonna see are purely korean. i personally think that if they want plastic surgery it’s none of our business but i do think that there is a heavy societal pressure that is specific to south korea(especially after reading what brad from busker busker had to say about his experience in that show)

        2 years ago
        • I think leanna has a point. I find Japanese actresses a lot more distinctive than Korean actresses. I know Japanese idols and celebrities tend to have more distinctive features and sometimes have clauses in their contracts saying they can’t remove that “mole on their face” or “fix the bump on their nose.” Plus I think Japan is more accepting of mixed raced celebrities, like Crystal Kay, Becky, while I can’t think of anyone in Korea that would fall in that category.

          2 years ago
    • A separate plus size section is practical though… the same styles that look good on thin women don’t look good on plus-size women,and vice versa.

      Calling a size-10 model “plus size” when that’s an average size for women in NA, on the other hand, is messed up.

      2 years ago
      • Agree with the second part, but for the first: well, isn’t that for the women buying and wearing the clothing to decide? Just because something doesn’t look good TO YOU doesn’t mean it doesn’t look good to the woman wearing it–the only person who’s opinion matters.

        Also, the styles, or rather, the shape and draping and such, of both “plus size” and “regular size” are similar enough, if you really take a look at them.

        2 years ago
      • The same styles that look good on me don’t look good on another US size 0. You can’t generalize what looks good on someone by their clothing size, and you damn sure can’t tell whether or not someone of this size wouldn’t want something that’s in the other size’s section or whether they’d think it’d look good on them. I don’t go clothing shopping for other people, I go shopping for ME, and so do my friends who are thin and my friends who are fat and my friends who are in between.

        It’s body-shaming. It’s there to ostracize plus size women and make them feel like they’re “other,” like skinny is the default that they weren’t able to fulfill. And almost invariably, the clothing in the plus-size section is more poorly made, less colorful, and just all-around uglier. Miles of beige and black. A desert of beige and black. As if fat women don’t deserve to be colorful and exciting and unique.

        2 years ago
      • I disagree. Are you a size 28 and you want to wear a mini-skirt? Go for it girl, you should be able to wear whatever you want regardless of what you, I or society thinks that looks “better” on you. Didn’t mean to came out as offensive, I just hate when we try to put our beauty standards on others.

        2 years ago
        • I wasn’t even thinking of mini-skirts, more the cuts of dresses and collar shapes and so on. I will say that I hate it when shirts above size 8 are made with extra folds, as if the goal is to hide what you really look like.

          2 years ago
      • I agree, a separate plus size section is practical. Same goes for tall, regular, and petite sizes. I know right away which sizes and proportions will fit me better. It’s the notion how people think that everything over a size 6 is “overweight” that is annoying.

        2 years ago
    • But there is a difference–I’ve seen estimates that between 50-75% of Korean women have had plastic surgery! The main difference, I would argue, is that in the United States, requiring photos with resumes would get most employers sued–if you are not an actress or a model, you don’t have to be conventionally beautiful to make a living. I think if that photos-on-resumes stopped being the norm in Korea, demand for these procedures would fall way off.

      2 years ago
      • Those estimate are wrong.

        In my country they ask for photos in their CVs to make sure the one going to the interview is the one sending in the resume. That’s pretty much it.

        2 years ago
        • Well, they seem to be able to determine your identity here just fine without requiring a picture on the CV. Just saying.

          2 years ago
        • Maybe there were too many people trying to fake their degrees or something. In some countries it is easier to do that compared to the US. Do Korean companies require a watermarked transcript sent directly from the university like they do in the US? How common is for people to fake their resumes?

          2 years ago
        • I was just saying too lol Circumstances are different. Don’t see what’s wrong asking for a picture.

          2 years ago
        • The reason it’s basically not legal here (unless the job is modeling/acting and requires a certain look) is because pictures historically have been used to weed out non-white job applicants.

          2 years ago
        • I have an idea of what you mean by “here” but it’s outstanding that you assume I would know or I should know.

          And yeah I know about those, but that’s one place and in other places there are different circumstances.

          2 years ago
        • I mean the country I referred to in the original post you replied to in this thread, i.e. the United States. I should note you have never referred to your country by name in this thread, but it’s outstanding that you assume I would know or I should know.

          In South Korea, at least according to the above video, Simon was denied employment on the basis of a CV photo–his skills, education, ability, and character were all disregarded in favor of a photograph. Maybe you think that’s wonderful and fair, but I do not.

          2 years ago
        • I didn’t have any idea you read my other posts. And I didn’t have any intentions to make it clear what country I’m talking about though O.o so I’m not assuming anything.

          Where in my post did I say it was wonderful and fair lololol Don’t put words in my mouth. I merely said that requiring picture does not necessarily mean they will give you a job based on your looks. My experience is different, I’m not saying you are wrong, I just said circumstances can be different.

          2 years ago
        • I agree with Mary-B she had stated in her initial message her country, you were just to busy discrediting her because she rebuffed you that you where not paying attention to what she said. In stating her country it put her opinion into context, so maybe you should ‘know’ before directing you words in a somewhat malicious manner.

          I’m originally from Canada, and in the canadian school system high school students are required to take a class which teaches them how to properly develop their resumes, and conduct themselves in interviews. I remember the teacher telling our whole class that if any employer asked for a photo with our resume (an exception being made for jobs in the entertainment industry) “you should run away as fast as you can, because the job is sketchy and is probably some thing you shouldn’t/ don’t want to get mixed up in.” I will admit when I first realized it was the norm in Korea it shocked me, because it was so different from what I had been taught. I have noticed it is really common in other asian countries as well due to the highly competitive nature of the job market. I don’t see how it helps determine a person identity for the resume and interview process, if you send in a resume even if it is fake your going to put your picture on it, is it to do with the amount of people they call in for interviews, so they don’t get mixed up? I personally believe it is unfair to judge someone working capabilities on their appearance, and think that it is inevitable that bias would emerge from the photos, but the world isn’t fair.

          2 years ago
  15. This totally made me think of that article I read about an asian woman being divorced because her babies were ugly. I guess she was not as attractive before her surgery and her husband claims he was lied to… Not awesome

    I did notice that one of my 3rd years at my middle school just had her eyelids done. I saw her with bandages on her eyes and freaked out a little until another girl was like… “eyelid surgery!” I really can’t tell the difference, but it made her happy. Who am I to judge when I got braces when I was younger. That may sound weird but that’s what I relate eyelid surgery to… it’s simply cosmetic and so were my braces so yup.
    The end.

    2 years ago
  16. Minzy never said she didn’t have a nose job for the sake of having a nose job. She’s always said she had rhinitis so she just decided to do a nose job at the same time.

    2 years ago
  17. QUESTION: If plastic surgery in Korea doesn’t have a negative association to it why do celebrities deny it? Do regular people who have it done proudly claim their new feature or do they also try to hide the fact anything was done? Also did you hear about that case in China where the man sued his wife for not telling him she got (a LOT of) work done and when the kids came out not as beautiful as the couple he was SO freak’n mad.

    2 years ago
    • Well it’s better to have “natural” beauty than fake, so they try to make it seem like it’s natural i suppose?

      2 years ago
  18. There was recently an article in the news about how this man sues his ex-wife for ugly kids. She had gotten a lot of plastic surgery and didn’t tell him about it… http://www.fox8live.com/story/23915313/man-sues-ex-wife-for-having-ugly-baby

    2 years ago
  19. Yup… the same face… so many times I thought I’ve seen a Korean friend but it’s just a girl that has had all the same surgeries.

    One of our friends was saying the other day about a friend in Korea whose wife is very pretty – but had all the surgeries. When they had a baby there was a noticeable difference in the kid’s appearance and the mother’s surgically altered appearance.

    I don’t like my nose much, though my husband likes it, but now I’m kinda worried someone in Korea will tell me to get it fixed! haha.

    I know these girls getting the same plastic surgery are expecting their lives to be better with their new look but I’d like to know how happy they actually are. Especially when it comes to love. I’ve never heard a Korean guy say that he loves a girl with all those surgeries done, but I’m constantly hearing about how much Korean guys hate that look. I just wonder how things work out for them. Also health wise… since they can be so invasive.

    2 years ago
    • Oh your words “I’ve never heard a Korean guy say that he loves a girl with all those
      surgeries done, but I’m constantly hearing about how much Korean guys
      hate that look.” but I think they don’t like their girl to not reach the common standard either?? is it kinda hypocrite??

      2 years ago
    • good point. I wonder where this issue ties in with the ‘Ideal’ Korean woman, and dating… are ladies in Korea more upfront about what surgeries they’ve had when they go on blind dates? or is this something that you tell your man AFTER the wedding??
      *also interesting to me because [random side note] I am adopted, but people say I look exactly like my Mom…

      2 years ago
      • I went and questioned my husband about this and he said it depends on the person. For some people it’s really obvious that they have had surgery and they’ll say they have, but not everyone will be open about it. Some people will never admit to it, even to their husbands. If they did it at a young age they can get away with not telling sometimes.

        Though lately, with so many girls having the exact same face – it would be interesting to see in 10 years time whether their surgery affected them negatively or positively.

        2 years ago
        • especially considering the students who’re recieving it as reward for high achievment in school. By the time they’re 26 do they would they have to go back into the clinics for ‘touch-ups’… do the more common surgeries degrade overtime?? AND if so how would a wife/gf potentially ‘hide’ that they had something re-re-done? o.O = vicious cycle
          so much to contemplate, very serious thought provoking video guise…

          2 years ago
    • I always wondered how people feel after plastic surgery. I have a thought that I would be traumatized to not recognize myself when I look at the mirror. It may look beautiful but it’s odd… Do they get used to their new face? Do they really like to see that new face on them?

      2 years ago
    • I’m starting to kinda think of plastic surgery in Korea in a similar vein to tattoos in North America. People permanently modify their body for a look that they’re happy with. Yes, it’s not how they look naturally, but it makes them look better/cooler/whatnot, so why not?

      2 years ago
      • I think I disagree with that. I think a tatoo is something that you add to the body that you already have, it’s something extra and, as someone mentioned before, it’s art. Plastic surgery is altering your body’s structure and shape, so I don’t think it’s the same thing. But I don’t condemn any of it, if it makes you feel better about yourself, good. I don’t necessarily agree with the premise but I won’t judge. However, people THINK they are going to feel better but they never actually do. There have been a couple of studies that show that an event that happened 3 months ago (not a major event, like the death a parent, for instance), give or take, it has no weight on your actual state of happiness (or unhappiness). One study shows that we synthesize happiness, it doesn’t depend on external events. I thought that was common sense but apparently it isn’t. Well, that was a tangent! Haha
        But I think it’s relevant anyways. PS.: Great vid! o/

        2 years ago
      • But with tattoos (Most of the time) it’s something personal and individual with the person getting it with the opposite effects in the job and social part as opposed to the plastic surgery you guys talked about- where they all look the same with benefits of job positions and social acceptance. So I really don’t think the two can be compared??

        2 years ago
        • Changing your appearance because of something you don’t like in it is personal and individual. A lot of plastic surgery is done for personal reasons.

          We can’t look at plastic surgery like it’s in a vacuum, separated from society. We have to acknowledge when we discuss it that a lot of it is being done because society imposes a beauty standard of what’s acceptable and what isn’t—which most if not all societies do, and it’s all bullshit, regardless of what the beauty standard is. But that doesn’t mean bash on plastic surgery and throw it out as “this is a horrible thing” over that. Treat the cause, not the symptom. Treating the symptom doesn’t make that problem go away and what’s more, it doesn’t even really acknowledge that the cause is a problem.

          There is NOTHING wrong with plastic surgery. It’s a wonder of modern medicine and technology; if you don’t like something, it’s completely within your power to change that, and that’s amazing. We’ve literally attained something that we used to see as something only magic could make happen. It’s glorious. No one should be shamed for wanting to change their appearance.

          But no one should be shamed for having a certain appearance, either. We need to abolish the beauty standard as a concept and stop putting everyone we see up against some kind of checklist. We need to stop basing a person’s worth on how their face is configured, what texture their hair is, how much space they occupy, etc. And don’t think I’m saying that that’s something Korea needs to do, because that’s rampant in the US and Canada. We may not have pictures on our resumes but we’re fucking horrible to people we don’t find conventionally attractive, especially women. THEN we can celebrate plastic surgery as a marvel of modern science and a wonderful thing for people who want to do it, as we should.

          2 years ago
      • I’m not so sure…if I see someone with a tattoo I’ll definitely think that it’s body art whereas plastic surgery doesn’t have that “artistic” feel to it. Also, you can get a tattoo removed if you really want to and I’ve never heard of someone cancelling out a plastic surgery…

        2 years ago
        • Actually it is possible for surgeons to undo it. I read a “real life” story in a magazine recently about someone who’d gotten a tonne of them and now really regretted it. She was getting all the procedures reversed but all that money gone down the drain and all that pain for nothing…..x x x

          2 years ago
        • whoa…I didn’t know it actually was possible. It must be even more expensive especially if you’re fixing bone shaving or something that’s not skin or fat. But I assume most people have to live with what they get considering the insane price tag…

          2 years ago
      • My view has definitely changed from being around Koreans a lot. Years ago I would have been like “omg plastic surgery is terrible!” but these days it’s just such a common thing that my views have relaxed a lot. It’s also hard to be so critical when you know so many people that have had something done.

        2 years ago
      • Thats actually a really good point. I never thought about that but it is basically the same

        2 years ago
        • I kinda disagree because Johnny Depp once said that his tattoos were a story and that his body was a journal and I also see tattoos that way.

          2 years ago
        • And? Not everything has to be a story. He got his tattoos for him, not for someone else. You don’t have to find something deep and magical for it to be okay for a person to do. There’s nothing deep and meaningful about half the tattoos I want to get, are you going to shame me for those? For what I want to put on my own body?

          2 years ago
        • Tbh, I think you’re overreacting to what Gabby Hernandez’s comment. No where did they say or imply half of the things you said (i.e shaming someone, not being okay, etc).
          They only said that plastic surgery =/= getting tattoos. Some people get tattoos for the “story” reason or to mark an occasion (an uncle of mine got the names of al of his children done on his arm in a design), but there is no story reason behind plastic surgery.

          2 years ago
  20. The only plastic surgery I would consider is a boob reduction. And that’ll be when I’m old and they’re killing my back. Until then i’m going to be happy to keep every little imperfection I have because they’re mine and no one else has them.

    2 years ago
  21. Hi Simon and Martina did you know that the countries with the highest plastic surgery rates in order are Korea, Greece, Italy, Brazil, Colombia, USA and finally Taiwan

    2 years ago
  22. It’s kind of wierd… Cause I heard the exact meaning of the Korean word for plastic surgery before and and on a overall it kind of did change my views on plastic surgery as well.. and like now I just kind of don’t see a problem with it….just in certain scenario I just don’t agree to get it in…like the one when you guys said extremely young kids get it.. and other reasons also but on a overall I dont really mind it and I was kind of wanting to get one myself lol

    2 years ago
  23. This is one of the reason that kind of makes me happy to live in Sweden, and the fact that I am adopted. The very idea of changing for something like this is utterly ridonkeylous to me. Sure, I had things done to me, braces and facial treatments, but none that cannot be motivated by anything else than medical reasons.

    Braces- my dentist actually told me to do so, or my teeth would hurt me. So I did that, while taxes still paid for it, so it was free.

    Facial treatment, as in skin treatments to some strange hole-phenomena that happens to me randomly… and it really didn’t do too much to change it.

    But still, to me everyone is beautiful the way we are, and that is the way we are. Also, I kind of fear (from what I’ve read) that plastic surgery isn’t really going to save the beauty-ideals… I mean, I understand kind of what this originates from, as the Asian look is very much more monotone than if you live in Europe (like me), where people look a lot more different. But still… if you change the population to make them all look the same, do you still stand out?

    2 years ago
  24. martina should have “fixed” that guy’s nose on the spot when he said martina should fix her nose LOL

    2 years ago
  25. I remember reading somewhere that Minzy did need surgery for rhinitis and her mother had been nagging her to also get her nose fixed along with the surgery and so that is what she did which I find quite sad that is was pressure from family. Also on the issue I found a song on the topic that thought was really powerful by Nuol and San.E: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHI3yz38tu8) reading the lyrics really hit me hard. Anyway, love your videos and your blog posts~ Keep up the good work :)

    2 years ago
    • wow powerful song…why can’t topics like this be in more mainstream music??!?! If idols sang songs about topics about confidence and inner beauty maybe it would be better and the younger generation would feel more inspired to love themselves than another version of someone else. (sigh)

      2 years ago
      • but they will be like hypocrite, since probably 80% had something done.. I’ve heard these girl groups consist with 3 rather chubby girl.. I forget the group names, something along pig and girl (?) but then the next comeback they became thin lol.. and after that the former member dismissed and the company change all the member.. what the.. lol

        2 years ago
        • Piggy Dolls?
          In the states, when a plus sized celebrity loses weight, some people rejoice while plus sized fans are disappointed that they no longer have an icon to point to. So those celebrities are forced to lose but not lose too much, so they can still keep their fanbase. it’s kinda silly when you think about it. The person shouldlook however they want to feel healthy and comfortable.

          2 years ago
        • Yes!! piggy dolls lol!! I see.. well, I thought piggy dolls was being marketed as their current image, being pigggy like (?) that time.. they even named as piggy dolls.. i was like !@*!)(*@ when they being thin and moreover being replaced with even thinner girls

          2 years ago
    • Yeah I find it disturbing that her Mother of all people pressured her into doing it. Also appenrantly she was concerned because Minzy wasn’t as thin as the other members. What the hell is that all about. This might all be bullshit though, seeing as this is coming from all k-pop

      2 years ago
  26. Yup… I didn’t do it because I wasn’t really sure if I wanted to change something so noticeable and it’s been like a year and I really don’t regret it, besides I avoided the pain that comes with it hahaha

    2 years ago
  27. Okay, please tell me that I was not the only one who tried to stick their thumb in their nose at the end of this video? Please!!!!

    2 years ago
  28. I have a question for you guise… Why did you have your moles removed? I remember Martina being all shocked that a guy told her to get rid of that “blemish”, and she was like “I have this beauty mark since I was born!” So, what made you change your mind?

    As for my opinion on plastic surgery, I’m ok with it as long as the point is not to make you more “standard”, more “normal”… It’s a pity to throw away features that make you unique. I’m also sad for Minzy’s nose, as well as for Seungri’s teeth, I also think these “unperfect” details made them look adorable. But for instance Tablo’s wife (I don’t remember her name… The actress in Old Boy and Why did you come to my house) got full PS and doesn’t have the common post-PS doll look, not even close! I don’t really know what to think of it, but well, at least she doesn’t look like a random “after” poster!

    2 years ago
    • Well mole removal is necessary when they start to change… I had the same thing happen do me… I had a mole right under my lip since early childhood (I can’t remember a time when I didn’t have it) and I liked my ” beauty mark” especially because of a song in mexico that said “Ese lunar que tiene, cielito lindo junto la boca, no se lo des a nadie cielito lindo que a mi me toca” :) However I had to get it removed because it was growing, it took me over a year to decide to take it off especially since just that one mole removal cost me 200 US dollars. sad times. At least it didn’t leave a scar… though I think it’s growing again, just not as dark as before… ( I didn’t do the more invasive mole removal technique that basically cuts down in a triangular shape to get the “roots” as it were, Instead I had them basically freeze and shave it off… still… in a couple of years I’ll have to do it again… but the other way might have left a scar that I didn’t want).

      2 years ago
    • When moles grow bigger or disproportionate, there’s a small chance of skin cancer. We were concerned, so we got them removed. We kept all other moles that looked fine :D

      2 years ago
  29. Wow,the swappy thingy scares me so much right now.

    2 years ago
  30. I don’t understand the Korean obsession with plastic surgery and certain looks being unacceptable. My Korean wife explains it as “They want to look more American (meaning “more white”).” What’s wrong with looking Asian?
    Frankly, it’s more than a little disturbing that there is such a thing as a “cultural addiction to plastic surgery.”

    2 years ago
    • JC

      Its not more American, its more white skin. Pale skin is very prized in Asia, has been for eons. Royalty, nobility, upperclass was associated with with white skin (not in the fields working) and that has carried over to today. Even though tan skin relates to being outdoor or healthy and desirable in America it is not so in Asia. Heck look at the “face-kini” they wear in at China beaches.

      2 years ago
      • Not stating my opinion here. But I think David Miles also meant the desire for higher nose bridges, bigger eyes, and double eyelids which are more common in European features.

        Now onto me being subjective… I was so sad when my cousin who has naturally darker skin said she didnt want to play because the sun was shining and she didnt want to get darker. She was 7 at most. I think the fact that her little sister who has light skin and big eyes has affected her self-esteem. Everyone but European-North Americans still have these traditional mindsets of darkness, beauty, and status.
        So… What is a face-kini? o_O

        2 years ago
      • thank you for this. It’s such a misconception that people think asians want to look American or European. Having a pale skin is desirable, just like having a tan in the west is. It’s not like we want to look like i.e African-Americans, but it’s just desirable

        2 years ago
    • the media plays a BIG role in the popularity of surgery.
      you rarely see asian looking celebs who are considered beautiful.
      the only people who look asian and are considered pretty are Sandara Park, Ga-In and Yuna Kim (she’s a figure skater, but she is a celebrity)

      2 years ago
      • “the only people who look asian and are considered pretty ”

        they’re surely not the only ones

        2 years ago
        • well, sure they are not the only ones. i’m just saying that the number of ‘asian looking and beautiful according to the media’ celebs are minorities in korea.

          2 years ago
  31. Very scary with the swapping thing… i know many people from Sweden travel to Thailand for cheap surgeries but i doubt they’ve ever taken that in consideration!

    2 years ago
  32. Fun Fact!!
    did you know a Chinese man successfully sued his wife after they had 3 children and all their children were ‘Extremely ugly’. turned out she had plastic surgery before their marriage, lol

    2 years ago
  33. My Korean Culture professor (who is from Korea) said that everyone looks the same, so don’t feel bad saying everyone looks the same. He said that when he went back to Seoul for break last year, he was walking and he saw one woman…and then he saw her again. But he didn’t! These women that he saw simply looked the same. So yeah…even Koreans think they are all starting to look the same.

    2 years ago
  34. Honestly, IMO, here in the West, I think many more of us would do PS if it was a cheap and looked as good as PS in Korea. I don’t know if it would get to the same level as in Korea, but still. Tons of Americans do PS, even popular YT beauty gurus, once you have money.Personally, I have nothing against it, as long as you don’t go overboard or look totally different. If you basically look the same, and I can’t really see a big difference it’s fine. And as long as you are honest with your partner about your real looks.People say not to judge a book by its cover, so why do they judge books that get new covers? Plastic surgery =/= low self-esteem. That’s like saying hair dye = low self-esteem or makeup = low self-esteem. But I do think people should be satisfied with how they were made.

    Your nose is cuuttee!

    2 years ago
    • that’s actually a really good point. a lot of people judge those who got cosmetic surgery, and they always teach their children or younger siblings not to judge a book by their cover.
      i do think it’s better to stick to what you have unless you were bullied a lot for your looks or have severe functional problems, but i think it’s also problematic to consider someone ‘bad’ for getting fixed.
      why not try to change the society before destroying some people’s feelings?
      i’ve seen some celebs who got crushed by netizens calling them surgery monsters.

      2 years ago
  35. I am just wondering if a Korean man would get something fixed?Or does this whole plastic surgery thing in Korea only apply to women…

    2 years ago
    • they do. i live here, so i would know. but the number of men getting it is extremely low compared to women’s

      2 years ago
    • No there are definitely Korean men who get plastic surgery! On the posters they often show both men and women, and Kyuhyun and Shindong from Super Junior both have had surgeries.

      2 years ago
      • I remember a strong heart episode where Eunhyuk mentioned “gifts” that SMent would give their idols and that when he went in for evaluation the doctor or someone not sure who told him that it was better not to do anything since if he did he’d have to change everything… I was like o_O what crazyness… first PS as a “gift” and then being told by someone that you’d have to change everything… I’m glad Eunhyuk didn’t get anything changed though since his look is so HIM i can’t even begin to imagine him looking different.

        2 years ago
      • Yes many Korean male idols get surgeries done. Rain makes a big stink about how he DIDN’T get surgery even with all the pressure.

        2 years ago
      • agree… even kyucumber is my bias, i admit he had PS esp his eyes…n they didnt denied it

        2 years ago
    • nope it definitely applies to guys as well. A guy getting PS is not uncommon at all. (:

      2 years ago
      • Do people also have “whitening” surgeries? Because it confuses me how idols can have such perfect looking white skin. Or is it all just make-up? ( NO offense no anyone)

        2 years ago
        • Oh thank you. I kind of thought that something they ate makes them whiter and taller…hehe

          2 years ago
  36. I personally think Plastic Surgery is okay, if you don’t overdo it. If you, yourself are unhappy with how you look, go fix it. But don’t change everything and that’s what scares me about so many korean girls and boys. As seen at the end of the video, you see how changed their faces are to the point where it looks way too unnatural. That, I don’t find okay and tbh I find it really ugly aswell….

    2 years ago
    • I think that if getting plastic surgery makes you feel good about yourself or makes you happy then you should go ahead and do it! It’s your life and your the only person who has to live with yourself at the end of the day so do what makes you happy.

      2 years ago
    • Plastic surgery can be the solution for some people, but not for everyone. There are many cases of people who feel bad about themselves and focus their dissatisfaction on one part of their body, thinking that by changing it they would feel much better… But once it’s done, their problem is not solve and their lack of self-esteem swich to another part of their body. That’s why in some country people have to see a counseller before going for plastic surgery, but regarding what Simon and Martina said about mental health in a previous TL;DR, that’s not ready to happen in Korea…

      2 years ago
      • but that isn’t a big portion of the people who get plastic surgery, luckily. (:

        2 years ago
        • Actually it’s big part of those who got PS. Many gets obsessed of surgeries since the problem of feeling unpretty comes from insecurity and society’s pressures not from physical appearance itself. So one surgery can make people happy with themselves a little while but they will notice then something else of their faces or body that are the “problem”.

          2 years ago
        • It’s not the majority of people who get plastic surgery. It’s just that those are the people whose plastic surgery is obvious. Most people who get plastic surgery have little changes that we can’t see. Those who go overboard or who obsess over fixing a nonexistent problem are the ones that we hear tabloid stories about and the ones that we can see as obviously having had work done.

          2 years ago
  37. SAME SAME BUT DIFFERENT

    2 years ago
  38. Martina your nose is beautiful.
    OMG Simon’s resume reaction *rolls down my sexy window* heeeeeeey

    2 years ago
  39. Hey guise like the video, just one thing, the plastic in plastic surgery, comes from the greek word plastike, meaning to mold or reshape, not the synthetic material. So the Korean literal translation might not be that off from the original meaning.

    2 years ago
    • We were talking more about the current connotations for plastic, rather than the original definition of plastike. Words change meaning over time, all the time :D

      2 years ago
      • And his nose is pretty much back to the slight hook he used to have when younger. Everyone was saying how he got it done but those were just fillers back then.

        2 years ago
        • No it’s not O.o Do your research. You are allowed to as long as you have the permission of your parents. The double eyelid surgery for a person’s sixteenth birthday was and still is a little bit of a trend. It’s not recommended because a teenager is still growing so having surgery so early on does not secure a permanent change, because your body is still growing and you are still changing.

          And I was talking about Taemin. Learn to read before coming onto me lol Everyone was attacking SM for making Taemin and Minho do their noses, but seeing how they are now it was obvious the change were fillers, not nose jobs.

          And I don’t see how success has anything to do with surgeries. There is Park Bom after all.

          2 years ago
      • It is true that she wanted to just get normal surgery for rhinitis (at least according to the article which I feel it gets misinterpreted by a lot of people). I actually feel that her mom sounded harsh on her; I mean a mother is supposed to love their kids with all their flaws no matter what, you could be the ugliest kid on the world but in a mother’s eyes you’re the most beautiful creature ever. On a funny side, I did not notice her nose surgery until she mentioned it (which is kind of ironic since I have 2ne1 posters). When the article about her manager trying to deny plastic surgery rumors came out I was confused because I never heard of the rumors or anything. I think her nose was lovely the way it was before (now that I see newer pictures and see old pictures of her). At the same time I don’t really care what she does to her face or body (as long as she doesn’t over do it pr does something that may damage her vocal cords) I am more interested in the way she sings and dances.

        2 years ago
        • i honestly get hurt a little bit just like Simon & Martina for a while(im ok now), she looks so cute last time and her face remind me of Mulan. But im with u, didn’t really care , still love her! anyway her mom is not harsh on her, she love Minzy so much. She ADVICED it because all those netizen has been saying how she don’t look as pretty as other surgery face probably since her debut! And also she didn’t look as slim as other member even though she worked out so much, her mom even lost 10kg to motivate her(losing weight isn’t a bad thing IMO) Minzy said her mom is both her parents and her friend. during Minzy’s trainee time, there are alot of hardship she gone through, everytime she wanna give up, her mom cheer her up, telling her she is like fermented kimchi, yes it sounds silly but the meaning is that, with fermented kimchi they can make so many many many different dishes. YG told her she will debut after 2 years training but she eventually didn’t get debut after 4 year and wanted to give up from time to time but her mom keep cheering on her, since she started, wasn’t it a waste(her mom told her).And she finally made her debut after 4 years

          2 years ago
        • I din’t know all those details (and I’m a BlackJack myself). I’m really glad Minzy din’t give up because she is such an amazing singer and dancer. I’m with you on losing weight being good for your health (unless you’re super skinny then it may lead to problems such as eating disorders). The point is to be within your ideal range in the BMI scale (btw I sometimes put things on a public health perspective cuz that’s my major field of study ^^).

          2 years ago
        • and i watched this on Mama Mia

          2 years ago
      • well maybe every people who get rhinitis should do ps too as a bonus.. then again if they really want to cure it just for the sake of health, they don’t necessarily had to do ps either.. I kinda agree with Simon n martina’s notion. I don’t diss those idol really.. I’m kinda accepting this phenomenon as ‘bizzare’ thing in kpop world now as well as I can’t believe everything broadcasted regarding their appeareance either (height,ps,etc) and there’s no use to deny it too.. like maybe korean people view the ps thing as normal as doing tonsillectomy.. eventhough I won’t and I can’t do it ever. The idol said it just for the sake to let the fans know (oh well) they love themselves, but y know, theyre people too *IknowI’mbeingcynical *suemeplease

        2 years ago
        • i didn’t say she did it because rhinitis nor Minzy said it! She admit she done it to get prettier! just saying her first thought is fixing her rhinitis but her mom advice her to get prettier! didn’t mean she get it for the rhinitis, she get both surgery! please don’t distort what i said, i just wanna tell Simon & Martina the article they saw is totally not the whole thing, just telling them.

          2 years ago
      • Ohk I was more referring to how 성형 gives an accurate representation of the original meaning, as opposed to the english version ^^

        2 years ago
  40. I wanna know the breakdown of blogging for next TLDR

    2 years ago
    • I’ve always been curious about who is precisely writing what. With D.I.C.K.S. blog posts I also wonder is it SOOOOZZZZZEEEEE or is it Leigh?

      Would it be too much of a hassle to indicate who’s writing what in blog posts? I’m sure the Nasties out there could design some great icons to represent you guys.

      2 years ago
    • JC

      I love titter too /grin

      2 years ago
    • Ah! I see. Good point. We usually just jump in on each others posts and tweets and whatnot :D

      2 years ago
      • ahHA! now there’s DW in the mix! perhaps a video (maybe not a TL;DR) about who does what in the studio is justifiable?? insatiable curiosity commands me to ask [again] :P

        ps. Safe travels & Merry Christmas ^_^

        2 years ago
      • or vice versa?? sometimes I catch myself reading the blog only in Simon voice and I think ‘wait! this might be Martina!’ don’t know just curious

        2 years ago
        • yhh, at times I get confused reading as well lol
          i think it might be a good idea to colour code for each person. ^-^

          2 years ago
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