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Prostitution in South Korea

July 11, 2013

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So, basically, we wanted to spend this TL;DR to talk about how widespread prostitution is in Korea, and how the language of it versus the reality of it are at loggerheads. Prostitution in South Korea is illegal, mind you, but it’s everywhere, and it’s in your face. So much so that 1 in 5 men pay for sex FOUR GODDAMNED TIMES A MONTH. It’s not just “1 in 5 men have visited prostitutes before in their lives.” Oh no. 1 in 5 men go to prostitutes REGULARLY, so much so that if stamp cards were offered, 1 in 5 men would have boxes full of them. And it’s not just 20% of the men going to some girls who are exceptionally dedicated to their jobs to service as many men as possible. Supposedly 1 out of every 25 women in the country is selling their bodies for sex. Prostitution here is big. It’s too big for us to talk about in one video and blog post, but we’re hoping at least that we can express the scope of it.

The point of this post and video isn’t to freak you out and to make you think that every guy is a pervert and every girl a prostitute. Please don’t think that, as tends to happen with our TL;DRs whenever we say something remotely unfavourable about South Korea. What we’re trying to get across through this is the painting of a more reasonable landscape with which to understand the Se7en scandal of his going to a massage parlour. Some people are shocked by it. For others who know South Korea a bit more, it’s not really that shocking at all. The idea of “oops I didn’t know,” or “I only went there for a massage, nothing else!” is far less believable the more you understand how widespread prostitution is in South Korea, and how common it is for men to partake in it. Se7en got busted, but don’t think that your favourite Kpop bands and Kdrama actors are all pure and innocent and that Se7en’s the perverted exception. If anyone else in the industry gets busted, well…no shit.

And, yes, prostitution is illegal, but as to how much the police uphold the law is another discussion. Some nights, for example, when we leave the studio at 2AM or so, and we’re taking a taxi home, there’s one strip of the block that has tons of stairwells lit up with pink lights and lots of girls standing outside these stairwells walking back and forth……aaaaand on the next block is the police station. The lax nature towards prostitution is not even subtle. It’s everywhere, and if you know what you’re looking for, it’s in your face all of the time.

Another thing we skipped out on talking about in this video is Kissing Rooms. We just found out about these today from Soo Zee when we asked her about prostitution. There are PC Bangs, where you play PC Games, DVD Bangs where you watch DVDs (and sometimes get it on with your significant other), and there are also rooms called “Kis-suh Bangs.” Think of em this way: in a PC Bang you play PC games, but you don’t have to bring your PCs with you. The shop provides PCs for you. In a Kiss Bang, you kiss girls, but you don’t have to bring girls with you. The shop provides them for you. You can also supposedly fondle the girls as you’re making out with them. Frankly, we’ve never seen these anywhere, so we can’t say much more about them, and – no – we won’t go on a WANK to a Kiss Bang to investigate! Supposedly also outside of Kiss Bangs you can order coffee to your home late at night. A girl will bring you a coffee and some sex as well. Oddly, there aren’t any strip clubs in Korea, supposedly. I remember seeing them in Toronto, but I’ve yet to see one in Korea.

The other problem we have with the sex industry in Korea is – in the face of how omnipresent it is – the lack of legalization seems to be a harmful factor. Korea has a thriving sex industry, which – whether Korean people want to admit or not – is still happening. Because it isn’t legal, though, it allows for more situations involving people being forced into prostitution, where it instead could foster an environment in which people choosing to go into prostitution could do so under safe conditions. I read about legal brothels which provide testing for STDs for both clients and staff, provide condoms, conduct background checks, have managers rather than pimps, and set up alarm bells for sex workers in the case of a client becoming abusive.

In contrast to controlled environment such as these which would be safer for all parties involved, I’ve read that STDs are on the rise in Korea, which can partly be attributed to a lack of sex education. There are also issues of women from other Asian countries being forced into the sex trade by being promised modelling or waitressing jobs in South Korea, and upon arriving, experience having their passports taken from them by their agents, and in turn are forced into sex work. The point of all of this is, if Korea is going to have such a rampant sex industry which the Korean government is doing nothing to stop, apart from stigmatizing it by outlawing it and protecting nobody from it, the government should at least take steps towards making the industry a safer place for women to work.

No? I don’t know. It’s a big topic to discuss. It’s a big industry, and the implications go beyond what’s happening in South Korea. I’m sure we’re going to get some people defending Korea and saying prostitution isn’t big here at all, it’s illegal and the law is strongly upheld, that they don’t know anyone who pays for sex, and it’s just Americans who come here to pay for sex and not Koreans, yada yada yada. We don’t know what to say to that, really, apart from basically pointing to what we’ve read and what we’ve seen, as well as what we’ve heard from our Korean friends who have opened up to us about the matter. Also, doing this topic was very worrisome for us, because we know that the topic of sex-working is a sensitive topic for some, and so we apologize if we used language here that people find offensive. We’re not up to date with the terminology and theories on the subject. We’re not passing judgment on anyone here. What we were only trying to do is to show how widespread prostitution is here in Korea, and how silly it is to pretend that it doesn’t exist.

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    12 months ago
  2. Is that really happen in north korea ?

    12 months ago
  3. It is so easy to find girl who will come to you hotel/motel etc
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    2 years ago
  4. How to find a prostitute in Toronto…. Find a happy massage parlour… or go to a strip club blow a ton of money on lap dances and then said stripped will often offer her after hours services… It’s no different here… Super easy to find and police know about it, but can’t do anything about it. These countries really just need to make it legal so it can become safer.

    2 years ago
  5. Korea was traditionally a conservative culture.
    But in recent years it’s been going through a sexual revolution.
    It’s a society still changing.

    4 years ago
  6. South Korean men are also the biggest purchasers of sex in Southeast Asian countries. And they don’t just pay for sex from women. Children, girls AND boys, are used frequently. This is a dark spot on South Korea. I don’t think legalizing it will make things better though it being illegal and not enforced isn’t good either. Saying making it legal so it would be safer is like saying abortion being legal is safer, in my opinion. Anyone heard of the Gosnell trial? Yeah, abortion isn’t safe. The only way for this to stop is a break through of freedom through Jesus. And I know many people on here will probably disagree with me, but that’s what I think. The sex trade problem runs deeper than just people paying for sex. It becomes an addiction in the same way alcohol, gambling, and drugs – to name a few – become an addiction. There can be MANY underlying factors why people purchase sex; the focus should eventually go into meeting these needs to stop the outcome of sex solicitation.

    4 years ago
    • I would have to argue with you about that and where you got that information. I’m currently researching the sex industry in Korea and related topics but from my research, I have found that though South Korean men aren’t innocent/pure, Japanese men hare the biggest purchasers of sex in Southeast Asian countries. The Japanese started the comfort women system during WWII and sex tours in Korea and Vietnam during the 70’s/80’s while eventually moving more towards Thailand. There are Southeast Asian and Filipino sex workers that work in Korea but there are more statistics showing Japanese men being the main customers of sex in Southeast Asia.

      2 years ago
  7. i want to know about sasaeng fans. i’ve been reading articles about some
    things that have happened with different k-pop groups and i want to
    know what people are doing about them. like is anyone trying to stop
    them at all? AND WHERE ARE THE PARENTS!? i’m really concerned about it
    because of some of the articles i read about them like when an Exo fan
    purchased the same van as them and Luhan almost got in and also the
    rioting at Changsha Airport when Exo arrived. i just recently heard of
    these “fans” and i’m surprised about what these people so and it really
    concerns me. to be honest as i’m actually scared to go to k-pop concerts
    now because i know that there will be sasaengs there and i know that
    they will threaten and hurt regular fans as well as the idols. i want to
    know what people are doing about it. PLEASE CAN YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT
    THIS!?

    4 years ago
  8. Speaking of police stations being right next to a red light district… When I was in Japan a couple years ago, one of the university students hanging out with us wanted to take us to a particular Izakaya (Japanese-style restaurant), but we had to go near Kabuki-cho (the red light district of Tokyo) to get there. I kid you not, we walked right THROUGH the red light district to get to the Kouban (or mini-police station) at the END OF THE STREET to ask for directions.

    4 years ago
  9. I would like to know about piercings in Korea. Is it taboo to have several ear piercings? What about facial piercings?

    4 years ago
  10. I guess all that is left is to ask if there is beastiality in Korea. Please don;t tell me that there are pet shops where you can pet the animals and, for a little more…

    4 years ago
  11. The talk about those little cards reminded me of Las Vegas. Walking down the main strip, there were guys standing around about every 10 to 20 feet pushing cards like that on every guy that walked by. Even if the guy was obviously part of a couple they would push a card at you and tell you to bring your girlfriend too!

    4 years ago
  12. Could you do a TLDR on plastic surgery? I know South Korea has posters advertising it a lot, a lot of stars do it and people in general whether it be head to toe or just double eyelid. Thanks! :] (oooh you so nastyyyy ;])

    4 years ago
  13. In SK, male prostitutes are called jae-bee-jok. Literal meaning is swallow tribe. Being a guy, I don’t know much about it, and don’t even have interest….

    4 years ago
    • It seems they mostly serve bored house wives. Homosexuality was/is very repressed in SK. Seeking out same-sex partner, for money or real love, would be extremely risky, hence less commercial opportunities.

      BTW, swallow as in the bird, not verb.

      4 years ago
  14. LOL! Good one!

    4 years ago
  15. Why are you bothering to waste your time with this site if you dislike it so much?

    Please go use your time on something you actually enjoy.

    4 years ago
  16. I feel like in Canada we’re on our way, possibly, to getting legal brothels… I don’t know if you guys have been keeping up with it at all, but it has been a warmer topic recently as sex workers fight to legalize it in order to have safer conditions. I really hope they can find a good grounds from which they can safely do what they’re going to do anyway. Also, recently watched an amazing documentary on a female sex worker in Australia who works with many disabled clients, where those people might never be able to experience sex otherwise. That feels totally important, because yes, they do deserve to have that experience with a willing partner… If that partner wants money for it, and it’s done safely and responsibly, I can’t help but support that. Not only that, but she’s going for her PhD, I believe, and is a very important advocate… Really changed my views on prostitution.

    Meanwhile, if sex-ed in S. Korea is so lacking, it truly worries me that prostitution is so rampant and easily accessible. It’s not the kind of thing people should be rushing towards with blinders on in ANY situation, but I do feel that in Canada our sex-education is pretty top-notch. At least from my experiences, growing up in Ottawa. My sister, two years my senior, found it lacking, so they obviously made huge headway during those two years, making me wonder if it’s even more intensive now.

    4 years ago
  17. While there are obviously less women who go to these types of clubs, catering to women is much more problematic than men. For example, it’s a lot harder to force a man than a woman, women a more likely change their mind and call foul even if they paid for it, and well, condoms, stds, etc. Also, women need a whole experience, a lot more time, in order to be satisfied, most men are okay with the wham bam thank you ma’am. This also means that women have more emotional involvement in the transaction than men. I expect that when it goes past the “host” level, the number of crazy women who start stalking their “host” afterwards just causes too much trouble and it probably isn’t highly profitable.

    4 years ago
  18. I agree with you, but I think there is another point here that, if having sex with a prostitute once a week is the norm for Korean men, doesn’t that make their sex life kind of sad (emotionally)? And what does this mean for the women? Not the prostitutes, but the ones who are supposed to be pure until they marry a man who’s become used to regular sex with prostitutes? I can’t see this resulting a lot of healthy relationships and happy people, can you?

    4 years ago
    • I think there’s a lot of men who feel that, as a “masculine” man, they need to have experience on how to please a woman, and so being with a prostitute gives them a place to practice before they find “the one”. I know in some cultures (and this is… weird beyond prostitution by far) young men are given donkeys/goats to practice on, so that they can get their stamina up. (proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VKWLC87Uzw ) So… Yeah.

      4 years ago
      • Haha, too true! But what I mean by “pleasing a woman” is “not finishing before he starts”. They can get their stamina up so they don’t humiliate themselves.

        4 years ago
      • Well at least when practising with a goat or donkey, your expectations of a woman aren’t the same and if you don’t like her, you can always go back to your animal? ;)

        4 years ago
        • I just am terrified at what kinds of diseases they could be perpetuating… ;_;

          4 years ago
        • As am I, but I don’t think that your chances of catching something with human prostitutes is much less, and donkeys don’t mind sharing? :P

          4 years ago
        • Well there’s a 50% less chance that during sex with a donkey asking “do you have protection?” will be yes.

          4 years ago
        • Depends if you’re pitching or catching, the donkey won’t necessarily mind waiting while you “wrap your wacker” and I would think people would feel less self-concious about being safe?

          Okay, that’s it, I can’t talk about this any more, even if it’s kinda funny, it’s giving me the heebie jeebies.

          4 years ago
        • I agree; at least (hopefully, god…) the prostitution situation is consensual. I can’t condone bestiality no matter how much they claim the donkeys like it. Eugh. Just glad it’s not more common these days. Humanity, what is wrong with youuuu…?

          4 years ago
  19. I think it tends to happen because of the somehow overbearing nature of asian culture. You see, there is a strong sense of fraternal justice, honor, and responsability. Sometimes, asian people tend to bear their parents’ responsabilities, ties, relationships, or burdens, even if they haven’t taken part of it. Also, if you dishonor your work/family/relationship, r if you fail to do your responsabilities, you are often ostracized, bullied (although I think that’s not the word). All of this weighs down heavily on the person, and thus they may take that kind of iniciative…..=/

    4 years ago
  20. I don’t know if I should say this, (or rather how to make the connection), but here’s some “facts” I’ve encountered while I was in Hong Kong, visiting family.Nowadays, Asian youth especially teens with a rather well off life living in the city tend to go for this really lax lifestyle, in which they really care about their outer appearances(hence the fascination with brands), but with little effort to get the money to buy it. Therefore, they are provided by their Sugar Daddy,and in most cases is female teenagers doing this kind of job, to get the money they want to the frivolous things they like. And it’s not even forced, they accept the conditions as long as they have the money to pay for their apperances.

    4 years ago
  21. Guys that have completed Middle School (grade 9) then you must enter the military between the ages of 18-30. If you don’t do military service you are imprisoned for 2 years. Later on you cannot get a good job since your prospective employer will look at your military service record. You can get excused if you are physically disabled or have certain medical conditions but if you try to escape doing your military service it is a seen as a criminal offense- not even their Kpop Idols can get away with it. Also you cannot get out of military service because of religious convictions.

    Military service is seen as a duty and as akin to being masculine.

    4 years ago
  22. It’s so bizarre how Koreans don’t talk about sex and avoid PDA but yet, based on their prostitution habits, they are extremely sexual people (broadly speaking).

    4 years ago
    • It sounds kind of like how we hear about small town communities where sex-ed is frowned upon, and yet teen pregnancy is up. The lack of knowledge creates increased curiosity, which needs to be somehow fulfilled. And with little or no sex-ed as to the consequences, it probably would seem beyond okay to just keep going back. Like eating delicious, amazing fatty foods while not knowing you could gain weight or what have you. Maybe? Not saying for sure, but it certainly seems like a possibility.

      4 years ago
  23. Simon and Martina, I think that you are missing the point in some cases when you blame the workers for not saying “no” to their bosses and getting drunk or getting sexual services. If it makes it more understandable, take American 60s culture (a la Mad Men) and they put it in an Asian cultural wrapper. If you want to get ahead at your job, or even to not be forever stuck in the corner and never promoted, constantly derided, and blacklisted with other companies, you have to go along with what the boss wants. There may be some bosses who are nicer, but most of them consider this drinking until passed out and getting hookers as a rite of passage, an initiation if you will and they really can make your life difficult if you don’t cooperate. You can thread that fine line for a while but eventually, this just makes your boss more determined to “get you” into it (it’s like a game of who has the power). I had a friend who worked in HK and at the top levels of his family’s own company the bosses would keep buying him hookers at these “after work socials” (where all the real deals are made). He would go with the prostitutes and then pay them off to go away and keep their mouth shut, but it became increasingly difficult to evade his bosses. This kind of culture eventually leads to a lot of
    unhappiness in day to day life. Why do you think suicide is so high in Korea? I can’t imagine being the
    wife of a person who had to sleep with hookers to keep his job, it must
    be terrible.

    Also, I really really really wonder at the hyper sexualization of kpop idols lately. No one would have suspected the famous Russian Bolshoi ballet of pimping out their dancers, I wonder if any of this goes on in the kpop industry? I mean they are kept in same sex dorms but forced to act sexy all the time, it must drive them crazy and the girls likely don’t get periodic escorted visits to the rub and tug……I’m just saying….. Your stats were quite shocking and really lead me to wonder what else goes on there.

    Great TL;DR, I just think you should be a tad less judgy about individuals that are forced to work in an overriding aspect of Korean/Asian culture that you have managed to sidestep while still living in there, especially since you are married. I’m totally not saying that what happens is right (it’s not, it’s sick and wrong) but acting like “why don’t they just say ‘no’?” seems a little naive to me.

    4 years ago
    • I don’t think that they are saying “nobody was never really forced” (??) either but this is not the first video where they have complained at all the drunk people who say they got alcohol poisoning (i.e. barfing) because of their boss, like it was “just an excuse” for drinking too much. It’s prevalent for a reason. While I am sure that occasionally people just really like to drink and overdo it and might blame it on their boss, I don’t think that this is the “normal” scenario in Korea. Who wants to get drunk in front of their boss and potentially make a fool of themselves in such a way that would hurt their career? Who wants to be too drunk to understand or properly negotiate the deals that actually happen at the “after meetings” (instead of in the boardroom)? Pretty much no one. It’s not an excuse, it’s reality. But you will really stand out like a sore thumb and NOT a “team player” if you refuse to participate, and participate heavily. There are tricks you can use to drink less, but you’re pretty much gonna have to let (or fake) your boss getting you completely sh*tfaced at least once in order to gain his trust. The bosses like to feel they have something to blackmail you with in their back pocket. Maybe not to the level of “The Firm” with Tom Cruise, but it kind of puts more of a “feudal lord” spin on the relationship that a lot of old school bosses prefer.

      4 years ago
  24. I think it is also worth noting the sex scandal of the kpop group Chocolate (not to be confused with Chocolat) The company producing them was accused of pimping out members of the group in exchange for money. It turned out the girls in the group weren’t being pimped out, but other girls were. This to me is ultimate creepy. A major company using sex for major transactions!
    http://www.allkpop.com/article/2010/11/chocolate-member-cheryl

    On a side note- I also thought it was odd, because I think there was a reference to prostitution in a k-drama. In I Love You, there was a scene where a husband got caught with another woman by his wife. The way his conversation went kind-of made the implication that he paid the woman. At the time I was sitting there thinking “hmm… that doesn’t sound right” but now watching this video I wonder if it was a comment on prostitution in Korea.

    4 years ago
  25. I agree with you 100% Winona!
    They are right Maria, whilst you may feel your ideals are righteous and true, we need to realise that to have a properly functioning society, the morals of a religious minority or even a majority do not necessitate the laws of the land.
    Human sexuality covers as wide a scope as it is pervasive; and whilst I respect your strong convictions in relation to premarital sex/lust for yourself, you must realise that these exact convictions concern only YOU. We need to stop being so concerned what other vaginas/penises/etc. are doing and focus on how we ourselves can respect our own bodies!
    No matter what, human sexual desire will ALWAYS exist – and facilitating legal business which allows for a safe and regulated transaction between clientele and worker is the best way to prevent damage to anyone involved.

    Illegalisation and ignorance solves nothing, lest not human trafficking; what will is a realisation that we are sexual beings, and that legalisation, regulation and frank discussion is the only way forwards!

    4 years ago
  26. I really totally agree with you, Maria, and I think it was brave of you to say so.
    However, I do not think we can force our morals and ideals on non-Christians. They are intended for us. Of course I also believe God intended every tiny and big rule for our own good, but the problem of every sin lies not in the act itself, but in the fundamental relationship with God. Without that happening, I don’t see any use for preaching morals in public.

    4 years ago
  27. Yes there is, here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHs44zgDFds&list=PLWQq9lbJ29_1Y59uUuzKC8UgZxL5d_3uM&index=12

    I hope that link works lol

    4 years ago
  28. Wow, you guys are spot on. We’ve been talking to our co-workers about this a lot recently because we were curious, and everything you guys said is exactly what they said too. One of the males said that in his previous office job, his company went to a host bar and often if they had a visiting important person, their company would pay the girl (“secretly”) to make sure the visiting person “had a good time.” Err, yeah. But he said that he successfully said no whenever he was pressured (he’s a pretty upstanding dude), but now that he works at a hagwon, it never happens.

    **I’m not sure if it’s true for every teaching job in Korea, but as a foreigner, you will probably never be put in that position (harhar). Maybe it’s because our school is 95% female teachers, but even the male teachers we talked to said that it’s not really something that happens at hagwons, mainly in business companies. As foreigners, we can opt out of a lot of the social pressure things by playing the foreigner card, and usually Koreans are pretty okay with that. I don’t know about public schools though.

    Any English teachers in Korea ever been pressured to visit prostitutes?

    4 years ago
  29. I already commented on youtube, but I also wanted to add that it’s awesome that you talk about stuff like this. I think your TL;DRs are the best and this one was a good follow up to the last one. Like, does a lack of education, or talking, and being open about sex cause the sex industry to be bigger in Korea? Or is it the opposite? (because it’s rampant people counter it by trying to make everything innocent like in kdramas type of thing)

    4 years ago
  30. this was an awesome TLDR. i’m korean but i was brought up in the US so i have almost no knowledge of korean life other than what i see in the rosy and censored variety shows and from S&M lol, so thanks for sharing this information.

    this is really disappointing honestly, you would think that with all the conservative-ness it wouldn’t be as big of an issue and would be enforced a lot more. how hypocritical as a society. the korean board of banning bans all these songs and videos over silly things when illegal prostitution is rampant and so in-your-face in the country. what the hell is the point of spending time and effort over nitpicking in music that people may or may not listen to, but ignoring the blatant problem of sexual services on the streets for everyone to see???

    4 years ago
  31. Is it just me, but it seems drug scandals and prostitution scandals have switched places in S.Korea.

    Like here in US it’s not really a big deal if someone smokes drugs but what I’ve heard it’s a huuge deal in Korea. In US we pretty much just assume all celebs are taking it and some ppl don’t even mind but rather defend them.

    It seems Koreans have this same relaxed attitude toward prostitution.

    4 years ago
  32. I am wondering about religion. Is there any churches there?

    4 years ago
    • traditionally shamanism + confucianism + buddism; with Christianity/Catholic which flourished during the post-war poverty. until up to 20 years pretty much of the city kids around me used to go to church even if their family didn’t. But now (I’m in my lat 20s) there’s widespread anti-Christianity sentiment, especially in people in their teens~ 30s. This is mainly due to the corruption of many large churches and ministers, altogether with their aggressive manners in street propagation activity. People do not like the ‘there is only one way’ idea of Protestantism. Ironically, churches who wrongly twist the gospel as to give their attenders what they want to hear, eventually meets the problem of not being able to live up to what they preach. And that is what the public (aka the internet) scorns them for. However, as a Christian myself, I see several ‘real’ churches who do not add or subtract from what the Bible teaches, and there is hope in that. Summing up, there are a whole lot of churches, but even among the church-goers I think the main religion is ‘Self-centered-ism’. Sorry for this overlong reply ;) but it was my subject of interest, so ;)

      4 years ago
  33. My question is about the friendly “uncle” fans of girl groups, and what their intentions are. When I first got into kpop, I was surprised when girls like SNSD’s Sooyoung would talk fondly about her older fans, and that most of her fans were older men. To me, that just seems really creepy. Is there a sexual tinge to it, or are they really truly just like friendly uncles?

    4 years ago
  34. if 1 out of 5 men are paying for sex, that means 2 members at least of suju are into it, and at least 1 member of bb…LOL, prostitution may be illegal in korea and in some other asian countries, but is there really a society or community that exists without it? and prostitution, the more illegal it is, also means big bucks for the people who runs it. that may be the reason why the cops are turning a blind eye on it. i am not saying that the cops or the korean government is behind the illegal prostitution, but for all you mature people out there, you know what i mean…

    4 years ago
  35. My best friend who taught femsex at Berkeley for a few years would be incredibly happy how you presented and handled this topic….it is seriously one of the hardest because people have very strong opinions when it comes to prostitution. So many people are against legalization of prostitution, and for good reasons of course, but in many areas of the world where the industry is so rampant and corrupt, legalization would provide a much safer working environment as you said. Its hard to see the benefits to legalizing prostitution. So thank you for expressing this alternative view.

    4 years ago
  36. To be honest, I don’t care if celebrities go to those kinds of places. What annoyed me is that Se7en is still with Hanbyul – as far as we know, anyway. I know there were rumours that they had broken up because they didn’t get to see each other often, and part of me hopes they had broken up in private before he got caught doing this, but if they didn’t then… I dunno. But Se7en fans blaming Hanbyul for this because “you didn’t treat him well enough” really angered me. Again, anything could’ve happened between them in private, but it’s not right she get backlash for it.

    4 years ago
  37. I’m sure things will change eventually… it wasn’t that long ago that U.S. pop stars were considered more “innocent” than what they were. Although Korea’s current state is most similar to how the U.S. was in the 60’s…

    4 years ago
  38. First, thanks guys for mentioning Malaysia for second times in your videos. X”D

    Second, oh boy, 1 out of 5 guys out there, I still consider you guys are truly nasty boys even your ‘sunbea’ force you to do it! *pray hard for 4 out of 5 good men left, that they wouldn’t end up in any ‘happy bar’.

    4 years ago
  39. That explains a lot… I often wondered why fans tend to repeat each other a lot lol.

    4 years ago
  40. so are the guys that to go these places generally single or in a relationship? given your previous post on love motels, it sounds like there are places to get it on with your SO, but how common is pre-marital sex? or is it that korean guys want a style of sex that they can’t get with their partners?

    4 years ago
    • As I wrote earlier:
      I read somewhere that married Korean men go to prostitutes and it is not considered as cheating because there are no feelings involved.

      You have to understand something : (especially with the older generations) when Korean people get married, the woman becomes a member of the family. It’s as if she becomes “a sister” to her husband. Kind of hard to see your sister as “sexy” isn’t it?

      The girls have babies and do not want as much sex as they used to. Then the husband turns to prostitution. The prostitutes in South Korea are really beautiful too… The wife KNOWS her husband goes there but pretends he doesn’t. At he same time, her husband is not demanding sex as much as he gets it somewhere else.

      Also, there is a lot of pressure in companies to drink together and go to special rooms after work. They also use prostitution to “seal a deal” between companies.

      A lot of Korean men lose their virginity to prostitutes while doing the mandatory service in the army.

      4 years ago
      • sounds like young korean women are also under pressure to live up to a certain standard: cute, innocent, probably virginal. so i’m guessing they are not that open to experimenting with sex (pre-marriage). i don’t mean in a promiscuous way, but there is a middle ground whereby youths and adults learn about sex and their bodies in healthy, safe and consenting relationships.

        4 years ago
  41. I’ve been to Hong Kong, and I always see outdoor ads for massage parlours ALL the time in the Mongkok area. It’s always safe to say that a lot of those ads are “happy ending” massage parlours since a lot of the girls on the ads are wearing bikinis…

    4 years ago
  42. yeah that’s exactly what I thought of too. Ugh those guys handing them out were annoying.

    4 years ago
  43. There is no way the Korean government does not know how prevalent the sex industry is; so what good does outlawing it do, when they aren’t putting enough effort to stop it? The Korean government doesn’t want guns and drugs and it has made a WAY BETTER job of keeping those out. Actions speak louder than words.

    Anyways at the end of your post you’re basically saying the same thing that Simon and Martina said you just worded it differently.

    4 years ago
    • How has outlawing it helped? Read more about it here: http://www.ibtimes.com/south-korea-thriving-sex-industry-powerful-wealthy-super-state-1222647

      If you don’t want to read that article here is a good quote that you can find there: “If the testimony from many underage prostitutes, police officers and human rights groups is true, South Koreans are the biggest customers of the child sex industry in the region,” their report stated, reported the Korea Times newspaper.”

      I understand the reserve to making prostitution legal. If it were up to me I would BANNN it from the universe. Unfortunately that is unrealistic.

      I have a feeling that few people go into prostitution willingly. Considering the average age of entry is 13, I have no doubt that the great majority are coerced into it. With the amount of abuse that goes on and lack of rights I doubt many see it as a glamourous job.

      Thus advocating that “the government should at least take steps towards making the industry a safer place for women to work” is not unreasonabable.

      4 years ago
      • I don’t see outlawing it as helpful although I do respect that view. Nevertheless, I would still advocate for “making the industry a safer place for women to work”. It’s illegal in China, Taiwan, Thailand and the Philippines. Unfortunately the sex industry is thriving in all those countries.

        I’m guessing you decided not to read that article . The very last sentence: “It’s a $13 billion a year reality … and it’s not going anywhere.”

        4 years ago
  44. Wow guys, well-done on the explanation of the topic! I already knew about the host clubs from watching a few documentaries on ones in Japan. I was heart-broken (no Honey-senpai!?! :O ). Let me get one thing straight though, in Korea, there are rarely any sex shops BUT there are lots of “sexy shops” (wink included) ?

    4 years ago
  45. I used the word “sad” because by portraying this image of purity and innocence for the fans actually is not a very good move (in my opinion (: ) Most fans start to believe that their idols are so perfect that they won’t and can’t do anything to harm the fans ( for example – when idols date, everyone freaks out and threats occur, and the most frightening : actions from fans ). The truth is that I do want to believe that there are idols who are virgins/innocent and are just waiting for their soulmate :3
    It’s just that all this “pure, innocent” image is kind of exaggerated and I think it’s one of the main problems why everyone freaks out when their bias dates (:

    4 years ago
    • Very well said. ^^ Anything in exaggeration is bad. People need to know there is a limit & respect that they have their own personal lives as well.

      4 years ago
  46. Simon & Martina, thank you so much for doing this TL:DR on this controversial and charged topic. I love SOuth Korea, but the prevalence of prostitution and availability of sexually sketchy services provided “Under the table” in South Korea has upset me. Particularly because there is so much room for abuse. While legalized prostitution does allow for more protection, it’s still not perfect, it would most definitely be a step up for South Korea. Really, I just want all prostitution to stop and with it the strongly related and associated human trafficking. Sorry this is a bit of a rant. Prostitution by South Korean men and it’s resultant problems are also not kept within the confines of South Korea. There is an interesting movement for illegitimate children born to South Korean men by Filapina prostitutes to be able to find their fathers. KoreaBang posted an interesting article about it. http://www.koreabang.com/2013/stories/10000-korean-children-born-to-filipina-prostitutes.html

    Another thing that concerns me is how strongly related sexual activity within professional activities is promoted with visits to hostess bars etc. I know there is a rising trend for host bars now where South Korean women go, but it is still predominately something men participate in. I don’t think that infidelity in relationships and marriage should be encouraged by the social stratification of the sunbae-hoobae relationship, and just in general that many Korean women expect some level of infidelity. Now I very much know that it’s not everyone, but it is still an issue. Two very excellent articles/posts about this subject can be found here: http://thegrandnarrative.com/2010/01/20/korea-sex-marriage-prostitution/ and http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2010/01/pimping-lies-damned-lies-and-statistics.html

    4 years ago
  47. Korean Police and blind eyes, they epitomize the nearsighted again stereotype. I help my wife study for her drivers test. 6 months of classes, driving lessons, test and $1500 later I knew what they were teaching and what laws are on the books. It is illegal to drive while using a cellphone, for a country with Bluetooth built into the cars, it seams like every drive has their phone glued to their ears. Yesterday, I was walking down Iteawon when a car was moving along in the left turn lane and proceeded straight through the red light right in front of the police car park near the intersection with the office standing right there. Its so bad here in Seoul that when the light changes green, everyone waits for people to finish running the red light on the crossbound traffic before proceeding. Taxis and buses are the worst followed by the foreigners who think they are driving like a Korean (same issue in Germany with that one). Safety relies on Aggressive Defensive driving.

    4 years ago
  48. Ah too bad the Army dudes burned down hooker hill in Itaewon. Some of it is still there though. Ready to service happy patrons for ~100,000krw till the wee hours of the morning.

    4 years ago
  49. It is icky and all, but i agree it should be legalized. In Canada, its legal and, i find its a lot less predominant here, and when it does happen, there is safe conditions and treatment centers where people can go to either get the jiggity jiggty boom boom or get safe and nonjudgmental treatment for if you pick something up or something goes wrong. It will happen, whether people want it to or not, but at least it happens in a safe, non-forceful, willing situation where its controlled and less…skeezy…
    AAAnnnnd, if it accounts for that much of SK’s GDP, and is that eminent and turned a blind eye to, why isnt it legal? and if its because they wanna create an image of an innocent, clean, Utopism; you are kind of hurting your cause by have all these illegal sections, and dirty underground acts that are unsafe, unregulated, and running rampant for everyone to see…just sayen’…
    great topic!! very interesting :D

    4 years ago
  50. Hey guys, this has nothing to do with prostitution, I’m not sure if you guys have already talked about this in a previous video, but I was wondering could you talk about medical care in South Korea. From what I’ve seen in dramas there’s one thing I find odd, when someone get’s sick it’s always, go to the hospital. Why is that? Like even if you have something as small as a cold? Are there no minor care type clinics or a lacking of over the counter drugs like we see in North America? I know here in recent years, at least where I live anyways in the U.S., that you need to show ID and you’re over 21 to buy cold medicine. Is there something similar like that in South Korea and that’s why people are always being told to go to the hospital?

    4 years ago
    • BTW, Korean socialized medicine is amazing.

      4 years ago
    • “Hospital” is kind of a generic/ all encompassing term for hospitals, clinics, and specialists. Sometimes it is clarified further, but they usually just say “hospital.” Clinics and doctor’s offices tend to keep about the same hours as they do in the US, but the overwhelming majority are “no appointment” walk-in offices. I have never had any major illnesses here, but I go to an ENT a couple times a year. The insurance coverage, office visit copay, and medicine cost seems to be universal throughout the country. It is probably a different situation in the more affluent areas of Seoul, but I’ve never been to see a doctor in these areas. The total bill for medicine and doctor’s visit hovers right around 10,000 KRW or $8.50 USD.

      4 years ago
      • Ah okay. I see. Thank you for taking the time explaining. This makes a lot more sense to me. Cause when I’m watching drama and I just hear them say go to the hospital, I’m just like, “Huh? Why?”. I don’t know how things are done in South Korea nor do I claim to. So when I’m watching and people start talking about hospitals, I have to question it cause I know how ridiculously expensive (where I’m from anyway) it can be even for something minor. So again, thank you for clearing up my misunderstanding. I really appreciate it.

        4 years ago
    • That’s not really a South Korean thing…that’s more of a global thing. We Americans are notorious for going to the ER for simple things like a small cut on the hand or the common cold.

      4 years ago
  51. lin

    This just wants to make me laugh at the Korean Broadcast companies….Prostitution is everywhere but when a girl group shakes her butt or sway her hips, the dance is “too sexual and inappropriate” and then it gets banned LMFAO
    Meanwhile the red light district is right next to the police station…I bet the cops are the biggest consumers of that district

    4 years ago
    • uhm, sweetie. prostitution si everywhere but it’s still ILLEGAL. One thing is having an undercover norebang and another one is broadcasting it lol

      4 years ago
      • lin

        Did you not watch Simon and Martina’s TLDR? They explained that prostitution is indeed illegal but it’s normal for people to go to them and the ads are everywhere on the streets. Also, they said that where they live, there’s a “red district” (whole street of prostitutes) with women behind windows trying to lure customers…and the police station is right on the next block. and they said that the Korean government doesn’t do much to enforce it….that’s why I was mocking. Because they don’t try to stop prostitution but when a girl group is supposedly “too sexual”, the song is banned and the dance must be changed….why don’t they worry about the tons of prostitution businesses running in Korea first?

        PS: Some dances were banned but honestly,they weren’t even that sexual…and some other dances survive without any bans but they are even more sexual. Also…male groups can do them but when it’s a female group..BANNED! double standards SMH

        4 years ago
    • The girls in Tiara/SNSD were deliberately chosen because they are hot. Of course they’re selling ‘sex’. The whole music industry is infused with sex, you’re exactly right, the hypocrisy is laughable.

      4 years ago
  52. It’s good to hear that it’s the case in a few countries, but unfortunately everywhere else there’s no regulation, thus no way to be sure…

    4 years ago
  53. I thought “Happy Ending Massages” were massages for people who were dying & they wanted to die happily…….I’m a kid so it’s ok to think that….right?

    When you said host club, I instantly thought of Ouran XD

    4 years ago
    • Not that I didn’t love Ouran (especially the anime format) but if you want some other reading, dig a little deeper in the past for a more……realistic?funny?interesting? one called “Club 9” – Dark Horse put it out in Super Manga Blast about 10 years ago, it may still be going if the magazine still is…or you could likely find it “elsewhere”. This is one of my husband’s titles but even as a woman, I enjoyed it. Caution: old skool alert, very 80s, but in a good way.

      4 years ago
      • I’ll look into it. Also, one of my favorite styles of music comes from the ’80s, so ^^

        4 years ago
  54. for the girl-men interaction from idole, I think it’s much more abouth keeping that pure image.

    4 years ago
  55. So, my question is: “Why is this the case?”…

    I mean, there’s prostitution in every country, somewhere legal and somewhere illegal but how come it is so big in Korea? I mean, 1 in every 5 men (and in their 20s, for that matter) visits a prostitutes every week…. I’d say that’s more than a bit concerning…

    Is it because they have no girlfriends? Is it because their girlfriends wants to stay virgins before marriage? Are they unsatisfied in their marriages? Is it because it’s a ‘normal’ thing for a Korean male? (although, I don’t see how but…)

    Any ideas?

    4 years ago
    • If you scroll through the comments you will see different opinions and reasons of why it happens.
      I’ll be brief: Gender inequality.

      4 years ago
  56. This was a great TL;DR. The mention of hooker cards reminded me of the card clickers in Vegas. Las Vegas is touted as a family friendly destination but depending on what end of the strip you are on you get to see the “escort” cards all over the ground. Oh, and lets not forget the giant “escort” billboard being towed around and the stripper at the entrance of one of the casinos. Nevada is the only state in the US to have legal brothels, outside of those brothels prostitution is illegal. I did hear a few years ago that sex workers were trying to unionize, not sure how successful that was (thinking not).

    4 years ago
  57. I worked for a women’s shelter, which was closely related to sex worker supports, in Canada – with a harm reduction focus. They provided condoms, education, nurses and police hung around – though for the women to talk to them to report violence. From what I understand, it is pimps and bawdy houses that are illegal in Canada not prostitution. They had weekly posting of alerts – descriptions of scummy johns to warn others to not go with them. There was a van that would drive around and check on women on the streets to give them supplies and make sure they are fine. The support places are great too, if the sex workers wants out, they can help them with that.
    But yeah, more support is needed than ignoring, since it is seen as illegal, it attracts creepy types who think it is okay to abuse the workers.

    4 years ago
  58. I thought it was funny that prostitution is illegal in SK but it’s still rampant while watching the TL:DR, but after reading your blogpost I have to agree that it’s awful. In my country it’s legal but it’s controlled and there are laws enforced to protect minors (though it happens) and etc. We also have, which you didn’t mention, male prostitutes and transgender prostitues (dunno if that’s the right term), not as common as female but still there.

    4 years ago
  59. women don’t have the same level western woman do. There is still a uge gap between men and women salary for exemple.

    4 years ago
  60. how are careers chosen by teenagers? asians have the stereotype of aiming high on the social ladder but i know that not everyone in korea is a doctor or a lawyer it would cause a unstable economy.

    4 years ago
  61. I should clarify. They should restrict where these guys can litter those hooker cards. They literally had them thrown around very public and very family-friendly areas. Las Vegas is still a tourist attraction. It’s not just for adults. So whether the parents are responsible or not, kids are going to see these cards right under their feet. That’s how I saw them. Literally splattered on the sidewalks…

    4 years ago
  62. The ending of the video- I can’t agree more. I’m Korean but was raised with the best of both America/Korean ideals in mind (apparently I’m “very” American) and that is the exact reason why I cannot stand being around Koreans for an extended length of time. One guy even told a little boy that he’s being a shithead and if his older sister decided to beat him up there then he would turn a blind eye! (The kid just didn’t do what his “noona” told him to-it was unreasonable). The hierarchy of my old church was like that too. If an older person is in the wrong, then there is ABSOLUTELY nothing you can do. I despise the concept of “sunbae” and a dictatorship determined by age.

    4 years ago
  63. I agree that if this whole industry is so big, maybe rather than eliminating it, it would be better to invest in it and truly make it safer. I don’t REALLY know a lot, but isn’t that industry thriving in Thailand? and it’s also legal there? I don’t know about safety, but it’s quite disturbing that the government would rather turn a blind eye on the subject because of I don’t know shame or something than actually do something about it: either stopping it completely for real, or investing in it to make it safer and proper.

    4 years ago
  64. I think the topic is related to a very common cultural problem, not only Korean of course…societies with strong morals and principles always get side effects like this, ending up with paradoxes…every country has its own issues to deal with…I think the kind of thing you talked about, is simply related to a way of living sexuality that’s not clear and balanced… but, well, knowing a culture means you’ll have to take in consideration both lights and shadows about it…of course I’m not going to judge them for this…

    4 years ago
  65. isn’t prostitution a world-wide problem?
    yes, it’s very much openly in your face in Korea, but I do believe other countries also are having a hard time with it. Sex slavery and forced prostitution happens everywhere – be it in Germany, in America or in Korea.
    Admittedly, Korea might be a bit worse than somewhere else – at least in some other countries they are trying to fight it.
    I do believe also that your list of “entertainment parlors” isn’t complete. Next to massage parlors, dvd bangs and kissing bangs, there are also a variety of places men with a lot of money visit. One comes to my mind that is called ‘gentleman bar or lounge”. Something to that sense. You’ll find business owners and millionaires going there, enjoying the “occasional chat” with women who at first serve them beverages and fruit before the karaoke machine’s is switched on or a couple of them vanish. Also, once you have been introduced to that circle of people it is no secret anymore that those places exist, similar to the massage parlors you see around town.

    So, in general I would say that nobody who knows their way around the Korean culture a little bit should be surprised about finding out that sex sells in Korea. The first thing I was told when I lived there was “avoid the massage parlors. Massages are the last thing you’ll get there”.

    Ah, I have so many more thoughts I wish I could write down here, but I think I should rather cut it short. Just one thing, apart from Koreans being THAT OPEN about buying cozy hours with a strange lady, they are equally as closed minded when it comes to pre-marital sexual relationships. I love that country for it’s quirkiness and the obvious controversies. I greatly appreciate it for the what it has accomplished and for what I’ve experienced there. Oh, yeah.. and mind me saying.. Korea, by far, isn’t the worst. China and Japan are by far worse than Korea is.

    4 years ago
  66. Is there a certain age that people go for prostitution or can anyone even teenagers get “some”?

    4 years ago
  67. omg last year when i was in seoul with a friend we walked around to kill time (in the middle of the day)
    and accidently ended up walking through a Red Ligh District
    and at first we didn’t know what this was because the first “rooms” were empty but when we saw the first girl we were like “oooh….oops :D 2 foreign girls walking through a kind of open-air whorehouse … la la let’s get out of here”

    4 years ago
  68. In Antwerp, Belgium, there’s also a red lights district (and in Brussels too). It isn’t illegal I think. There are a lot of Camera’s and police men patrolling to guarantee everyone’s safety. I used to go there once in a while (DON’T GET ME WRONG) because there’s a night club too. Nobody complains about the noise because they’re all… uhm… doing their jobs? : /

    4 years ago
  69. I read somewhere that married Korean men go to prostitutes and it is not considered as cheating because there are no feelings involved.

    You have to understand something : (especially with the older generations) when Korean people get married, the woman becomes a member of the family. It’s as if she becomes “a sister” to her husband. Kind of hard to see your sister as “sexy” isn’t it?

    The girls have babies and do not want as much sex as they used to. Then the husband turns to prostitution. The prostitutes in South Korea are really beautiful too… The wife KNOWS her husband goes there but pretends he doesn’t. At he same time, her husband is not demanding sex as much as he gets it somewhere else.

    Also, there is a lot of pressure in companies to drink together and go to special rooms after work. They also use prostitution to “seal a deal” between companies.

    A lot of Korean men lose their virginity to prostitutes while doing the mandatory service in the army.

    4 years ago
  70. Sadly those double standards exist pretty much all over the world.

    4 years ago
  71. 1 out of 5 men… mmhhhhh… so if I look on my five boyband poster… what is that mean? ah? AAAHHH??! Ahahahahahaha I can see at least 3 that’ll go there xD I’m watching you, Changmin, I’m watching you.

    4 years ago
  72. thanks for the video. :)

    i think you talked and wrote based on a news article and you kindly provided the link of it. however, i believe the statistical information mentioned in the news article is not reliable although it was from a governmental organisation. as a 31year-old Korean man, i’ve never seen, in my entire life, anyone who pays for sex every week. i haven’t even heard of anyone like that. i admit that there are some people who like and do that but those figures, “1 in 5 men” and “1 out of every 25 women” don’t make sense at all to me. it’s a shame that a governmental organisation releases such inaccurate statistics…

    4 years ago
    • In a documentary that explore the sex culture all around the world, i saw some stats abouth korea that say 45% of men between 20 to 40 years old had their first sexual relation with a prostitute. the report also said that prostitution in uge in Korea. I saw many sources from different places reporting these shocking statistics :/.

      4 years ago
    • and the 4% of GDP thing doesn’t make sense either…

      4 years ago
  73. ok i have to point out… why is it only men?? I don’t really understand how people can talk about how it’s normal for men to go to a prostitute and how they have needs, I’m afraid the reaction would be completely different if it was a girl looking to pay for sex instead of a guy. Is it really that much more “necessary” for men to have sex than for women? o.O

    4 years ago
    • I don’t believe it either, but men are comforted into thinking that way… The “men have needs” argument is brought up all the time!

      4 years ago
  74. 90% of boy bands have 5 to 10 members in the group. So…..

    I can’t formulate what I really wanted to write, which has nothing to do with my first sentence I was just being silly. It has to do with the “Ministry of Banishment,” their hypocrisy of policing one artists/group and not another, the governments portrayal of innocence and protecting the youth but not protecting them from those who would lure them into prostitution or give them knowledge to even protect themselves with sex education. I believe youth shouldn’t be exposed to certain things, I think innocence dies to early now, but to just brush it under the rug, never discuss it and turn a blind eye is leaving children to learn on their own and be horribly miss informed. Then, especially for the girls, to be completely shunned by your society. It’s just erking, I speak of this as a world issue on differing levels.

    4 years ago
  75. Here in Argentina is also illegal but is everywhere. nobody denies that and everyone knows where to go for sex (hotels, neighborhoods, also you can see the girls on the streets, etc). Unfortunately prostucion generates a lot of money so it’s difficult to stop it. :/
    (sorry my english :P)

    4 years ago
  76. So is prostitution popular amongst both sexes or just males?

    4 years ago
  77. the whole senior-junior “do what I tell you” thing follows them to other countries as well. My husband drove home from a bar one night so completely wrecked he couldn’t get his shoes off properly. when I asked him the next morning why he didn’t call me to drive him home, he said his hyung basically browbeat him into driving anyway. ri-effing-diculous

    4 years ago
  78. In the Netherlands it is allowed and I’m not ashamed of it that it exist in my country because it works with the right effect and the same goes for drugs. The funny thing is many think that all Dutch people are junkies because drugs is allowed but it’s not like that at all. Actually many coffee shops (where they can buy it) stands with a big problem right now that the drugs can’t be sold anymore to foreigners because it’s them that want to experience it in the legal way like wanting to have the excitement of it. While for us it’s more like uhm yeah it’s allowed so what it’s not like it’s interesting and you suddenly see a lot of people having no interest for it. The same goes for prostitution. And for those men or girls that doesn’t have some men or girl to have a deed with then this is maybe a good place to go to. Not that I have interest in one of them but for some it is.

    Actually it’s really funny if you see how Dutch people don’t respond to some sexual things on the streets while in some countries they just immediately call the police when they see something or anything like that. I once saw an article about a snowman with a bra and the police needed to come for that. While here it’s no problem at all. Just by incident my neighbors made a snow women with boobs whit the children and really it’s funny too actually see those simple things.

    4 years ago
    • xD Actually I’m surprised how many actually agree on the legalization on these matters. But in the US I do hear more and more that there are states allowing drugs… Maybe I’m wrong but that’s what I thought to be hearing a few times.

      4 years ago
    • Don’t be sorry,,, everyone judges everyone you never get rid of that ;-) I normally just ignore those people thinking that they didn’t see much more then there own room so you don’t need to say sorry for them. Where just trying to say that allowing drugs could have a positive reaction. I do need to say that even if it’s allowed it does have very strict rules there are also enough people that aren’t following those rules. But it’s something you have everywhere. It’s so much more fun not to follow rules idea.

      4 years ago
    • well, what abouth men behind a window lol, I saw one in my city for a sex shop. We find it offensive as a women because of the past when it do not have the same signification today.

      4 years ago
  79. Ummm helloooooo Hooker Harvey’s at Jarvis and Gerrard! How quickly you forget the Phoenix days.

    4 years ago
    • Oh and apparently the ol Rub n Tub parlours are quite common in Woodbridge. I was told by a resident that it was popular for guys to go when they turned 18…like a right of passage into manhood.

      4 years ago
  80. As far as a new TLDR topic…How about a little expose on sasaeng fans in the K-Pop world. ^^

    4 years ago
  81. My question would be is this mostly men who are single, or does it include those who are in a relationship (beginning and long-term) or those who are married? To be honest if I ever found out someone that I was dating did this, I’d drop them so fast it would be like they never existed to me. On another note: if this is so widespread do girlfriends/wives consider this cheating and is it something worth dumping your significant other for?

    4 years ago
    • what I heard from my students (all in their mid-20s) they talked big and said they would leave their boyfriend/husband immediately, but the girls who had actually experienced that were just….meh. it was considered a fact of life o.O

      4 years ago
    • on your last note… I wonder if it’s how the law is… that some wives/girlfriends might know about it, but say nothing (for whatever reasons…)?

      4 years ago
  82. While Im not surprised by this topic and the frequency of its availability in Korea, I can understand why the Korean people, government, and entertainment business would want to keep this information away from potential international tourist. Lets face it, South Korea’s global image is that of a purest nature with high morals and ethics and to have the seedy side of the their culture advertised to the world, would damage that image. Hosts clubs, Kiss Bangs, Happy Ending Parlors etc dont really upset me as I have always believed that sexuality should not be taboo. We all do it! How well and in what frequency is a matter of debate but ultimately its all part of human nature. My opinion of these businesses are that of: They exist and if you want to go to one, then do so. It’s your choice. However, I would much prefer that prostitution be legalized in all countries and regulated by organizations like the US versions of the Labor Boards, Heath and Human Services, and the CDC -where employees get regular physicals and Aids/STD testing etc and are regulated.

    My TL;DR questions is about Sex Education. In the US, children are taught in middle school and high school to practice abstinence and aren’t given practical education on the subject. Do Korean schools teach kids about sex education and to what degree? How do parents handle the subject, if at all?

    Thanks S&M!

    4 years ago
    • Sometimes it baffles me to hear that there are schools that don’t give teens proper sex education. I’m only 21 and in my freshman and senior year in high school, we had sex ed classes.The teacher did encourage to practice abstinence but did not shy away from proper sex education. She even showed us the proper way to put on a condom and how to open one, she even offered us a bag full of different types of condoms. I mean, she even provided us free STD testing. I don’t know, I just find it so weird to hear about teens nowadays not having proper sex ed when mine was very thorough. (In the U.S. I mean.)

      4 years ago
    • I think they already answered this one in one of the sexuality TLDRs. Perhaps even the one in this playlist.

      4 years ago
  83. Sooo do you ever hear about these guys calling for these “coffee” services etc., and the delivery girl is never heard from ever again? Here in Boston we had a dude calling up prostitutes from Craigslist and murdering all of them. Then of course there was Jack the Ripper in London! In serial killer logic, people on the bottom rung of society (prostitutes) won’t be missed and are better targets. I figure for a society with lots of “under the table” prostitution someone’s going take advantage of society turning a blind eye to get their serial killer sexual kinks.

    4 years ago
    • that’s.. a pretty dark thought o.o ..but interesting xP and ..why would someone want to D: x.x

      4 years ago
      • o.e ..but that’s messed up x.x bleh

        4 years ago
      • Either that or they’re psychopaths with no sense of empathy or justice–they just don’t want to get in trouble and pick out victims with no one to care for them.

        Obviously I watch too much Law & Order. I went through like 5 seasons of SVU in 2 weeks. T_T

        4 years ago
  84. I have to wonder if the popularity of prostitution in South Korea is due to the strong focus on morality and not having sex until you are married. I know that is becoming more lax now, but I know that dating, relationships and certainly relationships involving sex are rare for the young people. I think that could be why most of Korea just turns a blind eye to it, excusing it as just young boys getting their kicks in because they aren’t in the position to get that anywhere else. Most of the Korean girls and women I know would never think about having sex before they got married, or at the very least before they were in a very serious relationship that they were sure was leading to marriage. Not that I see that as a bad thing, but I think that makes sense if that is the logic behind the popularity and acceptance of prostitution there. Thoughts?

    4 years ago
  85. Seriously! He’s a man, he has needs too. And the “working girls” need the money too support themselves. Get real!

    4 years ago
  86. Sex traffic is organized rape. If you don’t scare being raped when going back home drunk at 3 am, it’s in part thanks to some poor girls who are being raped by ten strangers a day (not talking about all prostitutes, of course, but victims of traffic)

    4 years ago
    • I read somewhere that sexual assault outside of prostitution is a hushed-up problem in itself. ?Soozee? might have an idea of what it’s like to be a small Asian female alone in a dark alley in SK. But generally the women are too ashamed to report their rapes so it’s never dealt with. Public outrage seems to occur occasionally with child rape cases (Na-Young, Gwangju Inhwa School for the hearing impaired), but otherwise sexual assault is barely a crime with super light sentences.

      In the US, it’s so disturbing that 1 out of 10 women you know is a rape victim. I find myself wondering if I might know any.

      4 years ago
      • Of course, it’s impossible to know the whole figures.. But I hear a lot that women feel safer in the streets of Seoul than in any other country.

        4 years ago
  87. in Toronto, apparently they hang out 9 pm onwards around Church and Wellesley. Not sure about this since I’ve never seen them in person but people tell me. Please don’t kill me if I’m wrong.

    4 years ago
    • Jei

      I heard it’s Jane and Finch

      4 years ago
      • i thought that was the place where all the gang and gun violence stuff happened. I’ve passed by jane/finch in car before and it looked really normal to me.

        4 years ago
  88. In “the jackal is coming” you can see one of those norebang where you have the girls sing with you…
    Not that surprised to be honest, but I never thought it was that big…
    Here in Europe prostitution is legal nearly in every country, what I don’t like about Italy and some other countries (most of them) is that yeah prostitution is legal, but it’s not regulated… what’s the point in this? O.o

    4 years ago
  89. Oh please, u don’t know where to find a hooker inToronto?? I’m pretty sure one of u have mentioned hooker Harvey’s in one of your past vids. I luv u guys buy please! Prostitution is widespread in all countries, it’s the oldest profession out there, and what country would admit to it being such a large part of it’s GDP??

    4 years ago
    • Prostitution (I can’t believe I actually have to say this) is stigmatized in Canada (as it should be); the number of men that have paid for sex is probably 1 in 20? Maybe 1 in 30?

      Now who’s conservative? ;)

      4 years ago
  90. Lol, you forgot the mention the multitude of Transgender clubs in Itaewon, most of which are located on or around “Hooker Hill”

    4 years ago
  91. I don’t think it’s about conservatism, so much as it’s about a culture that women have historically not been empowered. Confucius said women were, essentially, less than human, and were to serve men and do it gladly. In the West, women have fought this fight just a little longer, and are a few generations removed from the stage of the fight many Eastern women are currently facing. So, now, women are able to be the empowered, strong woman they should be, but there is still an old mindset to fight. Actual conservatism might include actually not engaging in sex, being boring while engaging in sex, or only using sex for procreation.

    4 years ago
    • There is prostitution in any kind of society. In a conservative society there is the mother and the prostitute, one remains virgin till marriage, then becomes the “property” of her husband and have sex with him for children and not for pleasure, the other sells her body and gives up on having a family. It seems compatible with what Confucius said.

      4 years ago
      • you’re absolutely right that there is prostitution in any society. And, you’re right that sometimes women are “enslaved” by their husbands. This is not right at all, either. I guess i’m just caught up in the semantics; “conservative” is different from “patriarchal”, “abusive”, and other, commonly used words that aren’t actually synonymous. That’s why I don’t think prostitution “goes well with conservatism”. Although, I could be in the wrong, since, being from America, those words can be separated. Maybe in Eastern/middle-Eastern countries those words really are synonyms?

        4 years ago
  92. The massage parlor is a front for prostitution

    4 years ago
  93. dsd

    i understand abt the “my superiors making me drink” excuse. that has happened to me and if you want a promotion or to be in their good books, your morals may as well go to hell.

    That’s why the ‘respect your elders’ concept is fine in theory, but it takes into assumption that the elders are wise and don’t make the younger ones do stuff like this

    4 years ago
    • I think that’s one thing I really just DON’T LIKE! I also understand “respect your elders,” and I also understand that not all elders are wise and make 100% smart decisions. I understand.

      But what I hate is the lack of respect when it comes to those put in uncomfortable situations. I hate being forced to do something just because someone else sees it as “fun” or “socially acceptable.” How frustrating it makes me really mad now that I’m thinking of myself in someone’s shoes and being forced to go to a place where I know I won’t feel comfortable *smashes wall* D:<

      4 years ago
    • Blegh… I’m not trying to dump all over Korean society, because this is not just a Korean thing, but I can’t with the “elder knows better than you” mentality. Everybody is human, and everybody is stupid (for lack of a better word) about something.

      4 years ago
  94. I don’t think this person is saying that *all* idols have swan dived into the dark side, they’re just keeping their mind open to the possibility. The fact that so many fans freak out like they were just shot when they find out their bias is dating someone or that they might be intimate with someone (look no further than the crazy fans who found out that Victoria and Chagmin were on a so called “date” from their reflections on a spoon) is enough to make this person and myself uncomfortable.

    4 years ago
  95. Jei

    This doesn’t surprise me at all. I visited Japan for the first time about a year ago, and I remember being shocked over how relaxed things were regarding prostitution there as well. Not a block away from the hostel where I was staying in there was a club with big posters of baby-faced Japanese women in bikinis pushing up their chests and lying down in provocative poses. The place was open at 11am! (Perhaps it never closed). I also had a fellow traveler that was physically dragged away to a “maid cafe” while we were in Akihabara, and I even had a couple of guys slip fliers in my hands advertising their host clubs. There are also signs for “specialty stores” and clubs where you could be serviced by women (and men) if you poked your head down the right alleyways. Similar to Korea, the Red Lights district is not very hard to find.

    I think one of the biggest shockers for me, though, was when I walked into a variety store, went to the magazine section and immediately the provocative/playboy/hentai/porn was laid right out for all to see (no pun intended), unlike in Canada where they usually hide those magazines on the highest magazine shelf behind the wrestling and manly-men’s hunting magazines. My immediate thought process was “Holy crap, some kid is going to see this! Isn’t that inappropriate?” But then I think on a lot of anime and manga that I’ve read over the course of the years, and perverted stuff in varying degrees is EVERYWHERE regardless of the age range for kids. Oh- and let’s not forget the sexually-themed toys. Blow-up anime-girl characters, provocative figurines, inflatable boobs…etc.

    I don’t believe that sex/sexuality should be a hushed-hushed thing, but I was just shocked to see that for a country that appears very reserved and carries a similar face of innocence and “decency” would have their porn openly available if it’s so “indecent”. Does Korea do the same thing?

    4 years ago
    • I just want to say that Japan is really different when it comes to sexuality compared to Korea. They don’t try to hide it like Korea does. Japan isn’t all that “innocent” really, they seem to embrace their quirkiness and don’t care how unique they are from the rest of the world. So yes, you’ll see porn there for even the kids to see, and stores dedicated to provocative anime figurines and those boob mouse pads and all that silly stuff.

      On the other hand, Korea hides it and tries to look innocent, pure and “perfect”. They shove so many things under the rug. I can’t exactly say why they do this and why these two countries are so very different, so someone else might want to jump in and explain that one.

      4 years ago
    • I think one of the issues we have with sex and sexuality is the fact that it is seen as shameful if you don’t project the very image of purity. It seems like everyone I’ve talked to about this topic has felt shameful because they either have very sexual thoughts or very kinky thoughts (or both XD), and they feel like they’re the only one. Which is not the case (it’s so not the case that it’s laughable >_>).

      4 years ago
  96. This is true of many cultures. It would just be better for everyone if Prostitution was legalized and regulated. Least then incidences like this wouldn’t happen. Everyone would know what the business was upon entering. You wouldn’t have this backroom culture of. Oh were a legitimate business but *wink wink* if you want we’ll also do x,y,z for you. Off the books of course.

    4 years ago
  97. I volunteered in a Cambodian orphanage in which two minor girls (one was only 13) got lured by an older girl who also promised them a better life and sold them for prostitution… Now the topic itself makes me nauseous.

    4 years ago
  98. This. I don’t believe for a second that oppar and unnie are innocent, or that all their feels go to their fans or band mates. It makes me a little sick anytime any idol says their fans are their ideal type; they’re encouraging the psychotic attachments these cray cray fans have towards their biases. In the comments of last week’s TL;DR, someone brought up that Taeyang said that he’s never dated or kissed anyone, and I just couldn’t believe that. Suffice to say that I made a very… not nicely worded comment that offended someone else and I just had to explain my disbelief in Taeyang’s words. Mind you, I don’t Taeyang for those words at all; I know that BIGBANG is one of the rare idol groups whose image and music isn’t completely controlled by their agency, but I know YG is not above encouraging rapid fan syndrome. Hell, the dude prohibits 2NE1 from dating. Who’s to say that he doesn’t prohibit BIGBANG from dating either (probably why that sex scandal with Seungri blew up like a firework show finale XD).

    4 years ago
    • Yeah, about Taeyang, no matter how awkward you are with girls, if you’re over 20 you have dated someone.

      4 years ago
      • Exactly ^^ I just want to point out that I’m not calling Taeyang a liar; I just find it hard to believe that he has never had a girlfriend. I mean, has the dude looked in a mirror in the last six years XD

        4 years ago
  99. Wow, this is an interesting topic. I think that, due to the innocent image most k-pop stars project and the emphasis on ‘purity’ in k-dramas, many people think that South Korea is this perfect bastion of morality when it’s really just… a country made up of ordinary people. (My mother, for example, watches k-dramas and thinks that everyone in South Korea is incredibly beautiful, because that’s all she sees in dramas. I tried to explain that that would be like expecting every person in America to look like the cast of Gossip Girl, but I’m sure she still secretly thinks every guy looks like Hyun Bin and every girl Song Hye Kyo.)

    Thanks for the TL;DR – I really appreciated that it was (heh, for the most part) factual and non-judgmental. :)

    4 years ago
  100. I definitely appreciate the discussion of more sensitive topics on your most recent TL;DRs, because no country is all fun and games. So props to not being afraid of discussing such topics; I actually find them incredibly interesting and can more clearly see the every day similarities and differences between SK and other countries.

    But I have a quick question: in your blog post, you mention the lack of sexual education. Is there absolutely nothing sex-ed related that students are exposed to while attending high school in South Korea?

    4 years ago
  101. What I still don’t get at all is that there are still people defending their ‘oppas’?

    Se7en (cheated yes) but proved clearly that they are still men. Men have needs and when they don’t have a girlfriend (or one close by… /I’m looking at u Se7en).

    Most want to be with their oppas (some not but most want in a more perverted way) but then act all ‘omg’ to this. Like come on Fanfictions guys?

    It’s everywhere.
    Can people stop being so hypocrite and just accept that their idols are far from innocent?
    Or should we start again about G.O.’s Pigeonfile?

    4 years ago
    • Globally I agree with what you said, but… until which century will this “men have needs” crap still justify everything? Men have also a brain and some self-control.

      4 years ago
  102. Well it’s not just vegas. I’ve been offered those cards when i was there vacationing but sorry nope not interested. Hooker cards are also prevalent in Thailand as well. Not in those shopping districts but those pretty sleazy places where you know you’re gonna get/have sex. And it’s not just catered to the heterosexual people too. There would be pimps who would actually advertise go-go boys and attempt to talk your way into it *shrugs*

    4 years ago
  103. This is not a new thing, trust me. I am adopted from S Korea, and when my parents went to get me in 1988 (year I was born and the year of the Seoul Olympics), the very taxi driver my parents found once they finally had me in their arms, went loads of sidelanes in order to keep an eye on every prostitute that I guess he either 1, was “acquianted” with or 2, owned. After almost an hour of this kind of stupidity my father, the big nosed foreigner, got so mad at his beheaviour (I was a baby after all, there was no ventilation back then, and I was literally really unhappy about the heat). My father started yelling at the taxi driver to step on it back to the hotel. The man did, we got there and none of us ever saw the man again (to my knowledge).

    4 years ago
  104. I haven’t watched this TL;DR yet (since I’m currently in lecture) but I read the blog post and your concerns about the lack of prostitution regulation is pretty spot on from what I learned at school (I’m studying criminology and sociology). Prostitution is speculated to always be prevalent in every time period in every type of society and if that’s the case, it’s theorized that it may be better for everyone all around to legalize and regulate prostitution and focus on criminalizing those extorting the unwilling, and the forced minors. Especially if the society has prostitution blatantly in yo’ face.

    Also, I found the fact how the police seem so lax towards prostitution there in Korea is so similar to the Torontonian police with marijuana lol sure, it’s illegal but… yeah ^^ LOL

    4 years ago
    • In technicality, marijuana is still outlawed here. Technically. So that means if that particular cop actually cared enough to, s/he could charge you with possession and you’d have a wonderful criminal record on you. If it was just decriminalized, that means they can’t charge and convict you of possession or trafficking, but can still fine you. That hasn’t really happened here yet. Pretty sure it hasn’t anyways ^^

      But yeah, most of the time that’s not the case since the police here aren’t that anal to shake down every shady-looking individual that smells like weed. I mean, there’s a friggin cafe somewhere downtown where you can bring your own weed in and rent out a bong for a smoke.

      The police are more interested in catching speeding vehicles and giving out parking tickets because each individual cop on that particular duty have a quota to fill. Which sucks if you’re like, 5 km above the speeding limit.

      4 years ago
    • Problem with this is that I still don’t think this will save the minors. And it will technically be harder to put the cautious signs on the sexual deceases. However, I do agree that the illegal status does cause some issues.

      4 years ago
      • No, I agree with you, legalizing and regulating isn’t the full complete answer to ending sex trafficking, or forcing minors into doing something they have no control over. But NaToTheWak is right in pointing out that the issue would at least be accepted as a problem if it goes undiscussed.

        What legalizing/regulating prostitution would do is take the effort that is put into hunting down prostitutes and their clients, and put it into something that actually matters like trafficking and minors. There’ll always be awful crimes like that, because people, you know? But at least effort and resources will at least being going into something that matters (in this context).

        Guise, this topic aside, I’m actually so happy to in a civilized discussion about social issues in a none academic environment :)

        4 years ago
      • Sorry, that sentence came from a long drabbel, that I ended up deleting. I did a small essay on prositution in Nepal a few years back, and I kept going on and on about it, until I realised it made no sense and deleted the whole thing. So just ignore that last sentence.

        I studied Asianstudies, specializing in China, so the whole Asia packet is really interesting to me. Sorry for being a bloody academic.

        4 years ago
        • No problem! I find it interesting actually. I volunteered in Cambodia 2 years ago and I was shocked to know that 2 girls from the orphanage I worked at had been sold for prostitution… I’d really like to know how to end that horrible traffic!

          4 years ago
        • Thank you!

          4 years ago
    • Hey… I remember something like too from what I have seen in class.
      /I had some lighter form of sociology in school so/

      4 years ago
  105. dsd

    woah, thats pretty bad. what abt host clubs? is that in korea too? O_o

    4 years ago
  106. i just hope se7en didn’t “force” his dongsaengs bigbang to do those stuff too… >.<

    4 years ago
  107. I can understand you soo well. I am always amused by the thinking of some fans, that their kpop stars are “angels” and “pure”. I mean they are only human! Of course they are dating and of course they have flaws. I don’t understand: what is so bad about that? I like it more when a human is showing his real self. Now it is more like watching dolls. I still like them, but I can’t understand the fans that don’t even want them to be happily in a relationship.

    4 years ago
  108. I come to know about Korea because of K-Pop that is full with pretty looking boys wearing colorful outfits, so I hope u can spend some time talking about “Pretty Guy VS Macho Guy In Korea.” TQ!

    4 years ago
    • Simon and Martina did a TL;DR on fashion sense and cool trends in SK that aren’t considered cool in the west. People in SK are totally cool with pretty boys and don’t really think of them as gay. As far as I know there aren’t as many “Macho Guys” in SK, but Im sure there are some.

      4 years ago
  109. Is it normal for Korean men to go to these while in relationships? I’m really curious now seeing how common it is o_o

    4 years ago
    • I would say yes. I don’t live in Korea, but I can say I’ve seen references in Dramas. There are two references in the drama I Love You actually. One is that the character Minho was caught by his wife with another woman. While fighting he was making the argument of “oh honey I am NOT SEEING her, no I paid her…” and cue wife to storm off. When I first watched it I was confused and thought it might of been a prostitute, but now watching this TLDR I am almost positive that is what they implied.

      Later in the show the wife decided to get back at him (and all the other boys the other female characters are dealing with) by going to a host club. In the middle of their stay there was a police raid saying there were “underage hosts.” The whole story makes this big stink about how one of the hosts is working there to raise money for his sister’s education etc and not to look down upon on him.

      4 years ago
    • Go ask a Pinay. There’s over 10,000 Kopino children in the Philippines without fathers. Wealthy Korean men sometimes go to the the Philippines for “Sex tourism.” They have sex with often underage females, and then go back home to their wives, and family…. Koreans were also brutal during the Vietnam war. Nobody ever wants to bring it up, but they used a lot of Vietnamese women…

      4 years ago
      • eh there’s even more american and japanese fathers than korean ones

        4 years ago
    • It’s fairly common. Especially when they are going out for company business dinners or hweshiks. These occur frequently during the week and are quite mandatory. That bit they mentioned in the video about social hierarchy (sunbae-hoobae relationships) is very important and dictates what happens in most Korean peoples’ lives. To really understand it, you refer back to the fact that Korea was deeply rooted in Confucianism. In fact, if you really want to understand Korea at all, look at Confucianism.

      Check out the “Major Confucian Beliefs” in this wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Confucianism#Major_Confucian_beliefs

      Anyway, if a boss, superior or simply an older person in a group wants to do something, they all must follow. I once heard a story about a Korean guy who worked for a man who hated his wife. So he never went home at normal hours–which mean that no one beneath him could leave until he, the boss, was ready to go. Collectivism is loud and proud in the ROK. It’s difficult for Americans and Westerners alike to wrap our heads around this but just because we can’t make heads or tails about things here doesn’t make them right or wrong.

      So yes, if your man is going to a hweshik, he more than likely will be required to drink more than he probably should and that could lead to sam-cha, or sa-cha, or perhaps oh-cha (rounds 3, 4, or 5 –or rather the third, fourth, or fifth place you go to that night) to end up at a palor of some sort. I say “could.” It doesn’t always…but yeah.

      Despite how negative this information about Korea seems, I still love this country and there is no place I’d rather live. ^^

      4 years ago
      • Actually, it’s not just Confucianism.
        In Korea every male has to serve in the military.
        In the military there’s a very clear hierarchy, and you have to follow orders.
        So, I think this military culture influences the nature of Korean companies and other organizations as well.

        4 years ago
      • Well darn.. That sucks ._.

        4 years ago
      • You’re right, I can’t wrap my head around that; I’d either laugh in the guy’s face and walk off, or snap at him out of anger. I have a very strong sense of individualism, I don’t like it when people expect me to do things for them just because they’re older or something of that nature.

        4 years ago
  110. I am a huge kpop fan, but I’m not delusional like that. I know that idols and actors aren’t pure and innocent. I find it ridiculous that some fans are defending the idols like their life depends on it.. Idols and actors are people too, they can do all sorts of things, and some delusional fans should get that in their heads. >>”

    4 years ago
    • And since most KPOP fans don’t even know the people (not truly know them), I don’t think they really have a right to defend someone they don’t know without knowing the real situation. Famous people are just that, people. They get angry, sad, some could drink and swear, smoke, have sex, and (the very good point made earlier by someone) could even be homosexual. Welcome to the real world :) (It’s a beautifully awesome and scary place)

      4 years ago
      • I suppose the image that idols have is also what gets them international fans in the first place. I first started to like KPOP for the lack of “sex” portrayed in the MV’s (though that seems to be greatly on the rise -_-) and how idols seemed to be perfect. And in a sense, it made me gain hope for the American artists who seem to always talk about sex/drugs/”chicks” (keyword: Mainstream artists SEEM TO). I know that not all idols are perfect (as I started in my other post) but I do like how their music doesn’t always portray topics that are “adult” if you will. There is a way to do the “sex” concept in music tastefully, sadly, most groups (Korean AND American) seem to cross that line….. (Just realized how off-topic this is. Hm… EYK gets the party started!)

        4 years ago
  111. Can you also talk one day about the suicide mentality that is over there? I’m from the states and it seems like the western culture tries to keep this from happening. On the other hand (in general) it appears that Asian cultures, maybe don’t embrace it, but are not adverse to someone going through with it. Is there a reason that this is more prevalent over there? Sometimes is seems that people “do” it to get away from scandals or due to depression. Is there a lack of psychiatrists or medication like there are in western countries?

    Thank you for your awesome work! :)

    4 years ago
    • I think a big factor too is the religion… suicide isn’t a sin in all places. Some christian denominations give a lot of guilt and what not on the issue. In bhudism, taoism and others asian religions suicide isn’t so negative… the priest or religious leader will do the rituals and all that. And in some ways it was seen as a honoroble thing to do after commiting a crime or some shameful thing…

      4 years ago
    • I would be interested in hearing about this. I noticed there are a LOT of Korean actors and actresses that commit suicide. Clearly there is a little more to it than “they are over worked.” I wonder how much help and openness there is to all mental illnesses, including anorexia (which is closely linked to depression)

      4 years ago
    • I think the #1 reason for high suicide rate in SK, is stress, both physical and mental. If I am not mistaken, Korean constitution specifies “life long labor” as an obligation of all its citizen. You have to remember that SK was poorer than Ethiopia back in 1960s. Now it’s in 10s(16th? I think). That’s very rapid. And they did it WITHOUT having any significant natural resources, nor having had any colonies, nor being financial heaven for rich people(Swiss, Singapore). Then the wealth had to come from somewhere. I think it came from rote labor. So it’s citizens are tired and stressed.

      Other contributing factors are

      1) poor mental health care and recognition of it
      2) education system
      3) hyper-capitalism

      4 years ago
    • Another Youtuber, SweetandTasty has a video on suicide and the suicide mentality, which is often attributed to college exams and being overworked.

      4 years ago
    • I definitely would love to hear a TL;DR on this; i think it’s not so much to avoid facing a scandal though, so much as historically, in many Asian cultures, it was an act of responsibility. Ultimately, if you fail at something, the consequences rest on your shoulders, so to speak. However, I think today it’s more commonly because of depression, bullying, and stress from family and work.

      4 years ago
  112. So i was wondering then if it’s mostly man going, is there a secert under ground thing where the LBGT community goes. Because i remember you saying that Korean’s don’t like to think they are gay but it’s American’s and Canadians who brought that over. which we all know that impossible. So if thats the case is that stuff like underground??

    4 years ago
    • Yes… and there are areas where you can go to hang out with the local LBGT community, there are certain streets that have those kind of bars :) But it’s pretty much on the down low. It seems like it can be pretty easy to hide since it’s okay to be affectionate with those of the same sex in Korea.

      4 years ago
  113. Kind of took me by suprise this TLDR… but you wouldn’t blame men for being horny… with all the nakidness in kpop – . -‘ ….

    P.S: you blurred the first swear but you forgot the second :P

    Thank you!

    ♥♥♥♥♥♥

    4 years ago
  114. i knew about the “massage parlours” but i didn’t realize host clubs were a thing outside of japan [where they also have snack bars, with pretty women instead of sexy mens] … but yeah not super surprised about how rampant this is :P however…. TAXMANNNNNNN why u no sing song martina?

    4 years ago
  115. Well in my opinion… going to massage parlors n all~! dint come as a shock.. i mean do people expect to believe that they don’t have sex? @__@.. n well.. where they go is up to them n all… what made me angry is the fact that he was in military service.. so like DUDE~!! COULDN’T YOU HOLD YOUR “NASTY” FEELS FOR 2 YEARS?? -_- thats where the issue got big~!

    4 years ago
    • If anything military men goad each other on to do that sort of thing ;) I assume anyway since U.S. military folks only seem to get more horny while in the military… something about being around a lot of testosterone?

      4 years ago
  116. I’m really glad you guys are starting to enlighten us on these controversial topics. The little advertisement cards are also very common in Las Vegas – people on the street hand them out to everyone, including women and children. Why? A lot of these people are forced into giving these cards out and the company watches them to make sure they give out *all* of their cards. It’s a harsh tough reality that you don’t realize is happening underneath the icky surface :/

    4 years ago
  117. Yeah, but that’s VEGAS. It’s called Sin City for a reason. No one thinks Vegas has any moral standard to uphold. It’s a pretty sleazy place, come on.

    4 years ago
  118. When this first broke out, I personally wasn’t all the shocked about the Prostitution thing. I’m not Korean, but I know that it’s almost expected that men participate in this kind of activity. I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s just what happens. Anyway, I’m really glad that Simon and Martina talked about this. It sheds some more light on the issue. :)

    4 years ago
  119. Since prostitution is illegal I was wondering if it’s the same like in Japan that you can do anything to satisfy the customer but not intercourse, so it makes it legal… (or so they say)

    4 years ago
  120. Conservatism with stuff like this always means repression. It’s comforting to see that, okay, it’s out in the open.

    4 years ago
  121. I must be so naive that I did not notice this at all while I was there lol. I totally believe you, I just kind of walk around with rose colored glasses on. xD
    Nope, nuh uh, don’t see it.
    I did notice the blow up things with the girls in bikini’s on it though… didn’t think it was for happy endings however. xD

    4 years ago
  122. Since we are on the sex topic, when are you awesome people going to make some awesome babies ?:D

    4 years ago
    • Eh, babies are overrated… lol

      I only say that because I will be 33 next month… my fiance and I are not even close to having kids even though we have been together since 2008. Maybe we should get married first and then see how we feel eventually :p

      Kids are a lot of responsibility and I think more people shouldn’t rush into it. Just like marriage… in the last year my sister got married when she was 19 and her best friend got married (she is 20.) My bf’s family friend had a kid at 18 and got married at 19…. and these are all kids from rich areas in big cities (Dallas and San Francisco.) I really don’t get it.

      4 years ago
    • no no no! awesome babies mean no time for us! i will be selfish and veto any children!

      4 years ago
  123. free speech, so um yeah……… but they should nail them for littering, those things get all over the place- that could slow it down. probably not…….

    4 years ago
    • Haha, I live in Las Vegas and they passed a law banning those cards a few years back. It didn’t work of course, but whatever. And they don’t advertise prostitutes, they advertise strip joints mostly. Besides, there are news paper stand on every street corner on the strip that have porn in them… like right up on the glass are topless women… so you can’t avoid it. I’m 25 now but when my friends and I were in high school we would go walk the strip sometimes. Once I collected a bunch of those cards (like hundreds) and gave them to one of my friends. He walked in front of the rest of us and started throwing them on the ground like confetti while we held hands, skipping, and singing, “follow the porn brick road.” So, yeah… Vegas isn’t really that much of a family place despite all the lame re-branding the city has been trying to do for the last thirty years or so. Not that I’m complaining.

      4 years ago
      • Dang. That’s unfortunate. I actually visited Vegas probably ten years ago and I’ve never seen what you described. Guess the parents really sheltered us there.

        4 years ago
    • Free speech should have a limit when it comes to little kids…. c’mon.

      4 years ago
  124. Hooker Hill (itaewon)

    4 years ago
  125. whoa!! didn’t know this was THAT big in Korea!!

    i think it’s nice how people respect their elders in Korea, cos that’s how i was raised, but there should totally be a limit!!
    like sometimes in dramas, holy crap i get so angry when one of the characters has to listen to an elders order and it’s just something so ridiculous!! i always at those times, that if that was me i’d be like screw you and be outta there!!

    4 years ago
  126. Is like I always said: they’re so hush hush in dramas and banning MV, and trying to give the image of purity and we don’t talk about sex, and our idols don’t see porn o visit prostitutes, they’re angelic ect.. , but behind closed doors most of them are the contrary, like a lot a people in the world. I think that’s the reason birth % is so low, they don’t need a stable partner and don’t need to deal with all the complications and responsabilities a relationship brings to have sex, when they can have it anywhere XD

    4 years ago
  127. i’m not surprised prostitution happens in Korea, it happens everywhere. Just variations on a theme, I didn’t know they had host clubs in Korea, I’ve heard of them, in Japan though. There is an interesting documentary film called “The Great Happiness Space” about Japanese host clubs and the men that work there and women that partake. It’s kinda depressing actually.

    I think the scandal with Se7en is less about visiting a prostitute and more about the special treatment celebrities in the military get. Cause doing a musical in Seoul is equal to patrolling the DMZ boarder? yay right.

    4 years ago
    • I think the westerners are like ‘whoa, he went to a prostitute?’ and Koreans are like ‘whoa, he went to a prostitute during his duty hours?’.

      4 years ago
  128. Sam

    One thing I want to say on this topic, all you Korean drama watchers out there, you know how a lot of the times there are scenes where the men go to noraebangs, or karaoke places, as a sort of second round after drinking? And there’s always these call girls, or women working there, for each of them to play with and drink with. I kind of find it funny that that kind of thing is shown on dramas, which are often very censored. I guess it’s such a normal thing among men in Korea, especially when office workers (many of whom are married men) always go out to eat together, which are called 회식, and go to noraebangs afterward. I wonder what happens if you’re a female office worker, that would be kind of awkward, hmm…

    4 years ago
  129. D.

    I currently live in a big city, and my house is located is a very crowd area and that obviously mean a lot of people… so he have a lot of hostals like 3 blocks from here, and guys who make lines for their services =.=’ it’s a big business in the world I think…. it was funny how you talk about this xD

    4 years ago
  130. Woahh thats insane… but to be honest im not that surprised, since from my perspective it seems like one of the main ways to meet people is through Blind Dates – which can be quite restricting, and in most countries guys have one night stands through clubs, and since thats not really what happens in Korean clubs (or so i am told).. so guys i would assume need to ‘release their sexual tension’ somehow. But its still surprising seeing as condoms/contraceptives etc aren’t openly sold.. How would a woman get a contraceptive pill? or do they just not even do that :O

    4 years ago
  131. Same here. I never would have guessed. Thanks for bringing this up Simon & Martina!

    4 years ago
  132. Even though it’s 1/5 guys pay for sex regularly, what about how many adult males paid for sex at some point in their life? Since some of them maybe did in their youth then got married and such.

    4 years ago
  133. I mean. I have HEARD of there being a porn/prostitute problem IN Korea. So, this doesn’t come as a huge surprise to me. But, at the same time, though, Korea is a slightly conservative society, so it’s weird to hear about it at the same time.

    But here’s my question:
    It just seems like that in Asia, there is a rising suicide rate, especially in Japan and China. How does suicide affect S. Korean society and how high are the rates?

    4 years ago
    • Plot twist: What if sex is one of the biggest ways people in Korea relieve stress?

      4 years ago
    • If I’m not mistaken, porn is banned in Korean

      4 years ago
      • It’s forbidden to produce porn in Korea, but not to watch foreign porn (which makes no sense if you ask me). Korea is the world’s biggest porn consumer.

        4 years ago
        • Like prostitution, if Korea taxed it it would become the 1st world economy! ^^

          4 years ago
      • Nope, that is definitely not true. However, porn is banned in China.

        4 years ago
        • Korea has been blocking every Internet porn sight that they can find for the last year or so. Proxies are still used, but straight connections are blocked by the government.

          4 years ago
    • They’re #1 in suicides in Asia sadly.

      4 years ago
      • South Korea is second. The biggest country for suicide is Greenland. :)

        4 years ago
        • I said in Asia :)

          4 years ago
        • Jesus. I don’t care what you meant because I was putting across a point that I wanted to say. It’s like your desperate to make Asia the best place in the world to kill yourself.

          4 years ago
        • Woaaaaa are you serious? I only reply saying that I said Asia and you are ranting about it? Calm down, are you ok? Very agressive o_O Someona ask something, I reply to her, you correct me and I explain myself I have the right to explain myself or reply back, is called manners. And saying that make me wanto to show what? Well let me tell you something dear, you look like and blinded fangirl trying to denying the fact that suicide happens in there and they have a big problem, very big. Not is not the best place to suicide but it happens. great day for you.

          4 years ago
        • Last time I checked Greenland wasn’t a part of Asia…

          4 years ago
        • But the question specified Asia..

          4 years ago
  134. Can you please talk about #changeinkorea? Since you reently talked about racism, it would be awesome for you guys to spread the word about that iniciative and peharps discuss the problem of the missrepresentation of black people in South Korea.

    4 years ago
  135. HI! I just wanted to get in a comment while there weren’t many… I love all your videos!! they are so interesting :) thanks for addressing some NASTYY topics :D

    4 years ago
  136. I can’t phrase this another way without sounding awkward but I guess SK is being “westernized” or being “modernized” I guess. It’s about time they start teaching college/older high school kids about sex/puberty etc etc because I feel like Korea puts out an image on being “innocent” and I actually thought that SK was innocent compared to America or Canada (mostly cuz of the censorship things though. But after this post I guess I have a better more realistic understanding of Korea. I really like these types of TLDRs like someone said before, the “hushhush” topics :D You guys should do more ~ (btw, if you think that not everyone will like these darker topics, it’s all righty because I’m a nasty that will never stop my support~)

    4 years ago
    • “I can’t phrase this another way without sounding awkward but I guess SK is being “westernized” or being “modernized” I guess.”

      It sure wasn’t last time I went to Gangnam/Seoul, but okay. Yes they have Shopping Malls in Korea. That doesn’t mean they’re westernized. :| It’s a super traditional society.

      4 years ago
    • I had this view about SoKo too, that initially their media makes them come off as just really innocent. I think a lot of people are attracted to that aspect of Korean society but that sure is a lot of pressure to uphold a “perfect” image.

      I hope that someday Koreans can be more open about sexuality yet still enjoy that innocent facet of their society that so many people love :)

      4 years ago
      • “I hope that someday Koreans can be more open about sexuality yet still enjoy that innocent facet of their society that so many people love :)”

        You can’t do that. You can’t say to a group of women that they should be more sexually open and still expect them to look/sound/act innocent. Once Korean men/women lose touch with their traditional values, they will lose much of the ‘charm’ of what makes Korea such an interesting culture/place. The two forces are inextricably linked. Seoul’s traditionalism is what keeps it from becoming Los Angeles, which is a very good thing.

        4 years ago
        • To each their own. Some might think it’s a good thing, while some might not. However, I feel that if SK was slightly more open it would be better because from what I’ve heard, the environment is judgmental and as Cari said, your image matters a lot. However in North America I feel that there is more “space” to express yourself and you’re pushed to be an individual~

          4 years ago
    • I hope you realize that Prostitution was a big thing in their historical past as well. So my guess is that it just carried over to modern day. This is why prostitution is practiced in most every country.

      It’s not just because of the obsession with image, it’s also because well first off Asians, for some reason, are still seperating boys and girls & treating them as unequal genders.
      In schools you rarely see boys AND girls just “hanging out” to hang out. A boy and a girl are either friends from childhood, dating, or are friends with them just because they’re dating their friend.
      This makes for a lot of people, men, to not know how to sociallize with women -> lonley -> LUST FOR SEX
      But of course this isn’t the case for EVERYONE. Just for some people.

      4 years ago
      • I completely agree! Prostitution has been a part of every long-standing culture, and it was even used in some cultures as a practice of religion. As for SK, which is a relatively new nation when compared to many of the other East Asian countries, it inherited many of long-standing social obligations about sex, sexuality, gender roles, etc. that are seen in places like Japan and China.

        4 years ago
    • Prostitution has been around for millenia in every part of the world. This isn’t an issue of westernization or modernization at all. And let’s be real–this sort of “Korean” prudishness about sexuality exists in the U.S. to an extent, too. But that’s not to say that no one talks about sex, either. If you watch more adult, non-drama programs you’ll see plenty of humor involving innuendos and other kinds of sexual jokes.

      4 years ago
      • Oh I should have phrased this better. I’m not saying that prostitution is the modernized part but the fact that all of this is coming out and there is (like you said) MORE sexual awareness. I need to learn how to express myself (properly through writing) more OTL

        4 years ago
  137. Ah yes. I lived in Gangnam and there were toooooons of places with prostitutes.

    Interesting thing, though – I actually taught a girl who worked at a host bar. Haha She was really sweet and really matter-of-fact about her work. She goes, “Yeah, I serve the drinks and then sit with the ones who seem really lonely.”

    It was a challenging thing to force myself not to look shocked about what she said haha

    4 years ago
    • I know someone who worked at a host bar in Japan. As a foreigner she made A LOT of $$$. Claimed it never went beyond fancy dresses, drinks, lighting cigarettes and a lot giggling.

      4 years ago
  138. Gosh, I love that anime <3

    4 years ago
  139. btw i cant find jay park’s new song on kpopcharts

    4 years ago
  140. all that’s left is a TLDR about drugs in korea! or did i miss that one? (i’m genuinely interested, especially the prevalence of soft drugs like marijuana and insight into whether korean youth are also affected by the recent upsurge of mdma use etc)

    4 years ago
    • that sounds interesting, i will definitely check it out, good tip!

      4 years ago
    • You passed the most voted suggestion! Ha! Congrats I guess…

      4 years ago
    • i want them to talk about the sasaeng fans in Korea….

      4 years ago
    • i want them to talk about the crazy sasaeng fans in South Korea :)

      4 years ago
    • drugs are not that widespread as prostitution and alcohol is and it’s definitely done less then in America.

      Drugs is a big culture amongst American students from high school to undergraduate but in Korea it’s extremely not common and if done, done very secretly unlike America where it’s done inside the school or with the school officers.

      4 years ago
    • Yeah that would be interesting. I know they make a really big deal about it, but idk if there’s any specific reason besides being “this is a drug” or “you’re an idol” reason. Like the GD issue where he had 3 puffs apparently, I don’t get it. And it’s unfortunate because people should care about the singer’s music more. Maybe it’s just me, but in the US no one really cares anymore, and I guess we just got to that point. People do it, unfortunately, but now we’re just like whatever.

      In my CRJ class I took about a year ago, my prof says the US spends a few billion only to prevent less than 2% from actually getting into our country. He says they needa stop treating the use of marijuana like it’s a social ill, because people still gonna do it regardless. And we don’t die from usage of marijuana, unlike smoking cigarettes or other drugs. It’s interesting stuff hahah.

      4 years ago
      • You can die from smoking marijuana… It puts like 10x more tar in your lungs per puff than a normal cigarette does…

        4 years ago
        • People simply don’t smoke pot the same way they smoke cigs, though.

          There may be a few people out there who can afford, and have a supplier for, enough pot to smoke the equivalent of a pack a day… but the average smoker does it recreationally, once in awhile. It’s akin to having a beer on Saturday night while playing poker with the guys – as opposed to going through a 12 pack a day.

          Also, this: http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factsheets/respiratoryeffects.htm
          “…three-fold greater amount of tar inhaled and retention of one third more tar in the respiratory tract.”

          And not necessarily because of the pot itself, but because of how it’s smoked.

          4 years ago
      • It’s not the blood. There’s usually a urine test (most jobs in the States seem to require passing this to get officially employment), but it passes out of that within days. It’s the hair (and possibly fingernails? not sure on that) that it stays in for a while – hair absorbs chemicals as it grows, and the test looks for the chemical markers. That’s what nailed both GD and DMTN’s Daniel (Dan’s urine test was negative, but the hair test came back later as positive).

        4 years ago
        • From what a quick google search shows, blood tests *can* be done, but they’re (obviously) more invasive and less reliable due to how quickly it passes out of the bloodstream. 2-3 days and it’s gone, unless the person is a really heavy user, so it seems to be used more in cases of suspected DUI or accidents. It wouldn’t have been an option for either GD or Daniel, since they were accused of it months afterward.

          As for Daniel’s case… first they were saying he’d only hooked people up (as in, ‘where can I get it?’ “oh, lemme give you this guy’s number” or whatever) and translations of the early articles said his tests for it were clean… which is why you could practically hear crickets chirping from the direction of Dalmates when a follow-up article later said the hair was positive. Couldn’t really shield him on the basis of, ‘…well at least he wasn’t smoking it?’ after that.

          4 years ago
      • yeah… in western culture/north america people seem to love to watch celebrities crash and burn… it’s sick if you ask me. both cultures seem to be on two extreme ends of it – one wants their celebrities to be “trashy” for entertainment, the other one wants them to be “pure” for entertainment! very strange and interesting i think..

        4 years ago
        • I won’t say North Americans love it. We like a good Cinderella story or a comeback also. Look at Britney Spears recovery after 2007 when people thought it was over for her. After she went away she was able to have a very successful comeback tour and album with Circus. Robert Downey Jr and his incredible comeback after overcoming drugs and going to jail he became box office star he is today. I’ll say we tend to like to see flaws in our celebrity, but we like a good Cinderella story to go with it. There are more examples.

          4 years ago
        • I think it has to do a lot with philosophical and religious foundations. In the US it doesn’t matter how badly you screw up, you can always be forgiven. Hello there Christian values! Didn’t notice you hiding there! Ah, the colonists hid you in our cultural memory. The US loves a good redemption story (ala Downey) because it doesn’t threaten our cultural values, it reinforces them. On the flip side, as I understand it, part of Confucianism believes that whatever your particular roles in life are, you should do your best to do them well and correctly. So that would mean that in a confucian based culture a moral or ethical failure is also a cultural failure.

          4 years ago
        • Yeah, I totally agree with you. Both aren’t great.
          I was kind of thinking about this subject (celebrities acting out) earlier today. On the radio news they were talking about how a popular US singer peed into a mop bucket at a restaurant. I was thinking it’s really as that a). he thought it was ok to do that and b). his actions were considered “news.” It’s just more junk to gossip about. Sigh.

          4 years ago
      • I am not saying that America has their crap together…I mean obviously if you have access to the internet it glaring that we don’t. I mean the sex industry here is treated similarly it seems. There are places were I can go and buy accessories or clothes and down the street is a strip joint…and a place were prostitutes were really famous for standing in the broad daylight. I mean the fact that marijuana use is looked down upon as deviant or women not wanting to be seen as sexual objects and protesting about it is considered too progressive…the idea of prostitution seems far more serious. I am all for respecting elders, but using them as a excuse to cover up personal behavior or questioning morality issues is pretty low. These guys should use their heads for more than a hat rack. (No matter how good looking or amount of influence they possess)

        4 years ago
      • I think it’s good that they crack down (omg no pun intended lol) on celebrities doing illegal things because they set the example for young children and impressionable teenagers. They’re called ‘idols’ for a reason. The breakdown of America caring isn’t a good thing in my opinion; I feel like now we have more problems than before :c

        4 years ago
        • Yeah, but they’re still examples set before the entire country. Which they knew they would be when they chose that lifestyle. They weren’t forced. I’m not saying they have to be perfect, but it doesn’t seem so hard to avoid drugs, prostitution, and public drunkenness does it? I don’t think so.

          4 years ago
        • Because that’s an accepted, and sometimes encouraged, part of Korean life.

          4 years ago
        • Because the point of an ad for soju is to sell alcohol. The point of a song isn’t to sell alcohol, which is why they ban it.

          4 years ago
        • …so it’s ok to sell alcohol, but not to talk about it! Just like sex, actually…

          4 years ago
        • You’re moving away from the original point of this discussion. Idols set the example, so it’s good that their misdeeds are reprimanded. This is my opinion.

          4 years ago
        • You can drink alcohol, just don’t become an alcoholic. It’s about knowing your limit.

          4 years ago
        • Ads are meant to sell. It’s your responsibility to know when to stop (teenagers can’t even drink in the first place) and it’s adults’ responsibilities to monitor and teach the youngsters.

          4 years ago
        • Consuming alcoholic beverages (at the appropriate age) is legal in South Korea. Cannabis and prostitution are not legal, which definitely contribute to how taboo they are for idols to partake in. Whether or not it’s “fair” or “right” for certain things to be legal or not is something Korea needs to openly discuss and talk about, which goes beyond holding idols to a higher standard.

          Whether we like it or not, idols and celebrities are role models. Personally, it’s refreshing that society helps to ensure accountability to that role, unlike the US where vices are glorified in the media. Of course, some people take it too far. As the saying goes, everything in moderation.

          4 years ago
        • But alcohol is illegal for teenagers, you implied it. Who do you think Big Bang’s “So Fresh So Cool” aims at, for instance?

          4 years ago
      • So true. I live in the Netherlands and here they allow drugs and prostitution. And we sometimes just say something like alcohol is just as good a hard drugs like all the others. It’s also damaging your body and it can also be addicting. While soft drugs does almost no damage to the body and is actually saver then alcohol. I all ready told my friend once I never want to touch drugs (I don’t drink much alcohol aether) but if it ever happens that someone made a space cake and asks me if I wanted a little bid of it I would maybe even consider in trying it.

        4 years ago
        • definitely! it’s a point of view that people should really consider more, not that i am keen to promote drug use, but… imagine this – if you legalize things like marijuana and prostitution like in the netherlands, not only can you regulate it and make it safer, but you can tax the sh*t out of it! i would have thought most countries would be salivating at the mouth at the prospect of a cash influx of that magnitude, especially if in korea prostitution is already apparently so prevalent. (then again korea doesn’t seem like the kind of place that is particularly lacking in money these days :P)

          4 years ago
        • I’m not keen on drugs aether I know how damaging it can be same goes for alcohol seen it all in front of me with other people and learned my lesson from it. That’s also why I’m not drinking a lot of alcoholic drinks + I only like those expensive drinks but that’s an other story whahaha. But it does feel a lot saver but now that I see that Korea actually has a red light district I’m also wondering if they actually have loverboys? Or what Dutch people call loverboys. The kind of men that tries to seduce some shy innocent girl with presents and a lot of love and tries to break contact with family and friends and get to the point that she needs to go to the prostitution or other things like that. (I think they do know I see that they have this)

          4 years ago
        • Well weed and THC is actually proven to be healthier than most meds doctor tend to give people with skin or other forms of cancer. Still doesn’t make it right but, smoking other creates people for those who tend to abuse it, just like alcohol.
          And now I can’t help but think of my loving infinite and B.A.P when this topic comes up red light district and kpop I wonder???

          4 years ago
      • Meanwhile, people passed out drunk in our stairwell every weekend…

        4 years ago
        • from a complete outsider’s perspective, it appears to me that korean people tend to hold up their stars to super high moral standards, as if the way people act in k-dramas (super innocent and “pure”) is what people are really like in real life. it completely baffles me! perhaps people are scared to recognize those very real human desires (alcohol, sex, drugs, etc) within themselves and feel like they’re proving to the rest of the world how “moral” they are when they admonish celebrities for acting how they, in reality, act themselves. is everyone simply in denial? wonder how that’s working for them when they’re passed out in the stairwell…

          4 years ago
        • Rather that S. Korea being a partying nation, maybe everyone’s drunk because they’re unhappy? Kpop idols have this fake happy fantasy land that’s held up to “regular people” like a dream they can never catch to give them some hope, if the idols break the illusion, it’s bound to make people angry/unhappy.

          4 years ago
        • I am currently reading about the Korean culture and one of the main points is that in Korea “face” or “image” is a large part of the way people view each other. The whole levels of respect and image is about showing yourself at a high standard. I would guess that the Koreans would want the people in the eye of the public (especially international) to hold themselves to a very rigorous safe/good image. This would make the country look better and bring more positive views from others.
          When comparing America (I know it is mainly the USA) to other cultures I think it is important to remember that the USA is a relatively young country and that it has tried to allow for freedoms in diverse cultures. However, it is not to say that Americans are ok with sex, drugs, etc it has just reached the point that people here are numb to it happening. We see it on tv, hear it in music, see in our neighborhoods, and we know it will happen but there is not enough police to stop it and not enough room in the jails to hold all the people doing it. Also, by making it such a taboo, it has become an excitement giver until a person realizes it is not that major of a deal.
          Personally I feel education about sex should be more widespread, especially considering the diseases and consequences. I think our kids would be better off forewarned then “pure” and at risk because of their ignorance-it allows them to make smarter decisions. I don’t care what country, religion, race, etc we are losing our futures to the aspects of our lives we want to protect them from.

          4 years ago
        • “Face” or “image” and respect for elders is ingrained in every Asian culture. Just that Korea has a very strong Confucius system where there are clear demarcations on respect. Other Asian cultures don’t carry it to the extreme Confucius teaching like in Korea.

          4 years ago
      • ” Like the GD issue where he had 3 puffs apparently, I don’t get it.”

        lol It’s funny because i don’t get your way of seeing things. Different cultures i guess.

        4 years ago
    • Maybe they could talk about Daniel from DMTN’s case as well…

      4 years ago
      • From fan perspective: He only confessed to passing the drugs from one person to another not “pssing it out to people” (aka selling it) or smoking it”. There is a lot of confusion, though, because of several misinformed allkpop articles that the company has pleaded with them to take down but they have not. Yes, it was stupid of him to posses it at all with the extra pressure put on him as a star, but his crime was small so I, personally, am hoping this trial finishes soon and he gets off with some public service or something so that my DMTN can be back together and making beautiful music once again. With him as one of the lead singers in the group, it’s difficult for them to continue promotions without him, though they have been trying…

        4 years ago
      • Ouch. I feel like they’re going to treat him more harshly than GD

        4 years ago
        • Not really sure but isn’t he Korean-American this might end up being like Jay park and him just leaving.

          4 years ago
        • Yup and being a “nugu” from a barely known group and company isn’t going to help. But to be fair, what Daniel did was worse than what GD did so he was going to be punished more harshly regardless.

          4 years ago
        • Yeah, passing it out and smoking + nugu status = a lot more punishment

          4 years ago