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SM Entertainment Buying Songs

June 22, 2011

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Ok, so this isn’t something that we’re used to doing, but we felt compelled to do a short video about this. Yesterday, when we did our review of f(x)’s “Hot Summer” we stated, in the video, that we’d discuss this issue at another time. This is the other time. Here’s what we think about SM Entertainment buying other songs and repackaging them as their own.

We’ve been thinking about this whole SM Entertainment buying other people’s songs bit for a while, and we don’t think it’s simple enough for us to pick a side so quickly, because there seems to be a lot of issues in play. SM hasn’t done anything illegal. They bought the rights to all of their songs. And so, we think that it’s not fair that, in the comments that we’ve been reading on YouTube and other sites, that people think of SM as some monsters. They’re an entertainment company, and they’re doing their best to get their Kpop artists to sing and dance to the best songs possible. They’re not breaking any laws or stealing any songs. They’re doing everything legally as far as we know. So let’s throw the plagiarism claims out the window.

The question that some people are asking is then why don’t they write their own songs, or hire songwriters? You don’t hear this from YG Entertainment, or from JYP or Cube Entertainment, do you? If it does happen, it’s not quite as often as you hear with SM. Hot Summer was by Monrose. Danger was by Kristine Elezaj. SNSD’s Run Devil Run was originally sung as a tester by KE$HA.

Yes, we know those last two were demos. They weren’t fully released songs and weren’t claimed by either KE$HA or Kristine Elezaj.

But what does that mean, fully released? Are they not out there on the internet? Are people not listening to them? Just because they didn’t go through the full process of being super produced and released to the masses in album format and sung in their concerts, that doesn’t negate the fact that these are still songs sung by other people before they were sung by SM artists. That’s what we find a bit awkward. Is it just us, or aren’t songs supposed to represent how a musician feels? Like, these are my thoughts and emotions, and I’m going to express them in song. If you find out that the artist bought that song from someone else, it takes away from the feeling of sincerity, or genuineness. Or is this just naive of us?

Here is where we have to raise a sad point: SM is an entertainment company, not a traditional music artist company. There’s a difference. They’re a multinational million dollar company that has a huge staff of people on hand, all working closely with kpop idols to entertain the hell out of you. If you’re looking for a band that got together and started singing songs in their basement, then evolved into a group that makes groundbreaking music as an artform, then you’re looking into the wrong genre with Kpop. But if you want to be entertained, if you want to dance and sing along, then SM’s doing a great job. They’re the Hollywood of Asian music. And don’t for one second think the process is that much different in American or European pop.

That might have sounded terrible, and so we want to add something to it: thanks to Kpop, our idea of music artistry is evolving. Songs aren’t made from the ground up by one artist or a small band when it comes to Kpop, but there is a different level of artistry in play here. The dancing is definitely a part of the artform. The performances are definitely a part of the art form. Live music is really a forgotten art amongst some groups: we’ve been to concerts before from artists whose songs we loved, but whose on-stage performances were abysmal. Shouldn’t that matter? Shouldn’t that count? Good luck finding people that can sing and dance as well as SHINee, and – on top of that – sing WHILE dancing so well. The hours kpop artists put into their performances is staggering, and to dismiss them altogether because they didn’t write the words to their song is kinda unfair.

So let’s toss this argument out with the plagiarism argument: Kpop artists are immensely talented people, and though they may not fit the traditional idea of musicians, they’re taking music artistry to a different level, and focusing on different aspects of music than what we’re traditionally used to.

Long story short, we can’t say that SM is doing anything wrong, but we can’t say that we fully agree with it, either. We wish they made their own music instead, and – from the looks of it from all the raging YouTube comments – it seems like a lot of people agree with us here. And this seems like an obvious point: nobody would complain if SM made wholly original songs, while a lot of people disagree with SM buying other people’s songs. SM has the money for it: pony up and start making original songs already!

This by no means was meant to be a factual scientific analysis of Kpop and of SM’s song buying tendencies. We’re just expressing our opinions here on what we’ve seen. If you’ve got something you’d like to add to the discussion, we encourage you to do so. On a related note, feel free to know that if you leave any belligerent comments, we retain the right to delete them in hopes of keeping a civil conversation going.

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  1. If you really want to look at things from a traditional standpoint, composers and performers have been separate roles for a long time. I’m going to be limiting this to classical music for now. Because I can. Yes I know this is Eurocentric. Deal with it. (I’m SORRY!!! >.<)

    A composer of a symphony probably doesn't know how to play every instrument, but at least has an idea of what he or she wants each section to do for a piece of music. Granted, composers needed to know how to play some instruments to an extent, to help them flesh out their ideas into real music, but the technique and flare to bring it to life is mostly on the performer. This isn't just limited to the kinds of music requiring multiple instruments, but the kinds of music where only one instrument is needed or focused on. (Sonatas, concertos, etc.) Composing and performing are just separate art forms, and while we grew up hearing about the greats, like Beethoven and Mozart, most of us aren't provided with the context that not only is it impressive that they are such talented performers, but that being so amazing both as a composer AND a performer is a rare thing. It takes a lot just to get one right! That's where we get stories like how Beethoven dismissed the cellists complaints of there being too many notes, ("There are NOT too many notes, THEIR FINGERS AREN'T FAST ENOUGH!!!"), and Tchaikovsky fighting with his violinist friend about his violin concertos being too hard. And let's not forget that one symphony by Brahmas which has NEVER been played as quickly as the composer has indicated it should be. Regardless, performers and the music would feed off of each other, and the greater the soul and talent, the greater the effect. Just like an amazing actor in a great role. So from this perspective, SM buying other peoples songs is fine. Buying songs could be a way of supporting the music community, allowing people to write songs for a living.

    Then why does it feel so greasy and grotesquely commercial when SM does it? Well, a few hundred years after Mozart's smarmy smirk, music that are much simpler and shorter popularized. Part of its appeal is its accessibility not only to listeners, but also people who aspire to become song writers. (And before ninjas are sent after me, no, I'm not saying Classical music is BETTER. There are just less barriers to becoming a classical composer verses a songwriter, as we understand it today.) Throughout this process, people became more and more concerned with the message, or the concept in art, rather than the technique or craftsmanship. This isn't just in music, but in architecture and art, and a whole slew of other things. How many writers today not only tell a good story, but is a wordsman, too? A lot of this has to do with wanting art to evoke FEELING. In music, this often translated to a 'heart-to-heart' format, where listeners revel in how raw or sincere the song sounds. When things click, audiences often feel a connection with the song, and through it, the artists themselves. Part of entertainment industries' technique of cashing in on this is creating and further encouraging a kind of virtual-personal link between the idols they're pushing out and the audience. (Which, in turn, helps create psychopaths. Seriously, isn't it better to help these people get their heads checked, rather than ban idols from dating?)

    In the context that music today is about a heart felt connection between the artist and the audience and keeping in mind SM's practices (in particular, the lack of control most of their artists have over their music, dress, hair, and even their pubic persona), AND the vast amount of resources at their disposal, yeah, they should a) hire writers, and b) help their musicians develop as creators, too. SM buying songs isn't problematic in and of itself, but coupled with the whole structure that they created for themselves, it just makes the connection audiences may feel with these artist feel fake and cheap. Like instead of having connected with real people, they've fallen prey to the trap of a capitalist fart machine.

    On the other hand, if the song writers were part of the production process, similar to the way Beethoven was part of the rehearsal process, it would feel much more like a collaboration, and less plastic auto-tune. Or at least let the artists do their own thing with the song – let them tell the story in their own way.

    3 years ago
  2. The writer, be it the artist or not, is the one who is composing the message in the language of music. If you like it, you listen to it. If you don’t, you don’t. If an artist forms an emotional connection to the piece they are performing, especially if the producer is good enough to get into what the artist is doing and craft the arrangement around them, it becomes there’s. It really doesn’t matter from and end-of-the-process vantage point who actually wrote the song. What matters is the delivery and the emotional impact it has on the listener.
    IMHO the only one who truly owns a song is the person who writes it. Everyone else, artists and fans alike, are simply adopting it and making it a small part of the soundtrack of their careers or lives.
    …and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all ;)

    4 years ago
  3. I honestly don’t care if their bougth their songs or they hired a songwriter to write them. It would be different if the bands actually wrote the songs. Otherwise it’s the same thing.
    And I don’t think that SM is bying songs because they find it easier. Most of the song they bought are not singles or hits, they are demos or songs not fully known. Maybe it lessens the time ones spent on creating it, but in that I don’t see wrong either.
    All in all if Kpop idols were writing songs in general than I would say SM is lazy and no good. But as we know idols writing songs are not that often, I can only think of GD, maybe Boa(?). So it doesn’t matter, one way or another the groups don’t sing their own song.

    4 years ago
  4. it’s simple…buying songs from others and make it on your own…two big different things…in this case YG Ent and JYP Ent and maybe CUBE Ent are more better..:-)

    4 years ago
  5. I WANT YOUR T-SHIRT!!!!!!!!

    5 years ago
  6. zef

    Watch KRISTINE ELEZAJ BUZZ/MUSIC VIDEO DIR JOE CAP LOST NOT FOUND PRODUCTIONS on Vimeo!http://vimeo.com/1783813 the Original vedio Razor as it was released > where does unknow test come from?

    5 years ago
  7. Well, I listen to the music not to feel artistry or whatever but to entertaing myself. So I don’t really care who sings whose song as long as it is legal.

    5 years ago
  8. wow where did my last comment GO?    chi OH i posted an answer on face book with a pic of CD with full version of Razor 

    5 years ago
  9. So let’s throw the plagiarism claims out the window. YOU say why? YOU know somtihing tell US.   I found that 99.9 % of all roomers are TRUE why is this diffrent?   just one point
    “Danger was by Kristine Elezaj. SNSD’s Run Devil Run was originally sung as a tester by KE$HA.”   note how you state about Kasha R D R was Original TESTER.   but you say danger BY  Kristine Elezaj U don’t say its a demo or a tester ?why not label as well?    as all lies they breack down  ITS RAZOR by Kristine you miss leading the the fans.  and helping cover Sm’s under handednes what do you say.   i hope i have been civil thank you wait for comen back thx. z

    5 years ago
  10. According to a DC Gallery, “Pinocchio” was neither a remake nor a plagiarized song. Through their research, they’ve discovered that:1. Kristine Elezaj recorded what would’ve been her title song as a demo.2. Kristine Elezaj is an Albanian woman who is currently working as a solo singer in America.3. To promote her debut, the debut song “Razor” was used as the background music for that promotional video.4. The video shows the dance practices and photoshoot session, which happened before her debut.5. The video title included “Unknown Test,” which literally means “Unrevealed/Unpublicized Test”lies 

    5 years ago
  11. Just to remind folks, SM does have songwriters on staff like Yu Yung-jin and Kenzie. If SM buys a track from outside, it’s more likely to become a single or anchor song, mostly for economic reasons. However, in almost all cases most of the English lyrics get chucked and someone at SM writes new ones, sometimes keeping the song title in them, but not always: “Genie” was a complete lyrical rewrite. Sometimes, an anchor song is still completely done in house: “Oh!” and “Ring Ding Dong” come to mind, and I don’t think Super Junior has used overseas tracks since “TWINS (Knock-out)”; certainly “Miina (Bonamana)” was done in-house. Martina also makes a salient point: for decades in America, pop singers sang other people’s songs; this was something the Brill Building in Manhattan, NYC was famous for in the ’50s and ’60s, and Tin Pan Alley before that (Elvis generally sang other people’s songs, starting with Lieber and Stoller, and working with Mac Davis towards the end); the performers made it their own (again, Elvis, but also Frank Sinatra doing Cole Porter’s “Under My Skin” to name just one example). SM is doing something similar here: taking outside-written music and integrating into an entire package that simple couldn’t come from anywhere else or be done by anyone else, and making it work like nobody’s business. It’s simply what they do.

    6 years ago
  12. SM also bought ‘Holla’ which was produced by J.Cates (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt1yx4ou-7Q) and remade it into SHINee’s ‘Hello’

    6 years ago
  13. I really love your T-shirt here Simon!!
    It was the only thing that I could focus…  R Square Pie

    6 years ago
  14. I really love your T-shirt here Simon!!
    It was the only thing that I could focus…  R Square Pie

    6 years ago
  15. I really love your T-shirt here Simon!!
    It was the only thing that I could focus…  R Square Pie

    6 years ago
  16. Wan

    shinee’s juliette is corbin bleu’s deal with it.
    shinee’s forever or never is cinema bizarre’s forever or never.
    dbsk’s mirotic is under your skin by some european artist.

    6 years ago
  17. I agree. Can I just point out that  SNSD’s Chocolate Love was originally Sweet Dreams My LA Ex by Rachel Stevens?

    6 years ago
  18. I’m a blazing traditionalist, so i really prefer that artists make their own stuff, otherwise they shouldn’t really be called artists. So BigBang and JYP himself and the Brave Brothers, for example, I’d call artists. Not making your own songs sort of takes the heart out of the music and turns it into a business. However I should also accept the fact that music is an industry. So I wouldn’t really call the bands/groups from SM, artists, but I think they’re amazing performers/entertainers.

    6 years ago
  19. I’m a blazing traditionalist, so i really prefer that artists make their own stuff, otherwise they shouldn’t really be called artists. So BigBang and JYP himself and the Brave Brothers, for example, I’d call artists. Not making your own songs sort of takes the heart out of the music and turns it into a business. However I should also accept the fact that music is an industry. So I wouldn’t really call the bands/groups from SM, artists, but I think they’re amazing performers/entertainers.

    6 years ago
    • Or they’re just a different kind of artist ^^ Dance is an art form too, and so are vocals!

      6 years ago
      • They are artists because they are singers and dancers and they perform. But they can’t be called musicians, because musicians not only perform, but they also write their own music.

        4 years ago
  20. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  21. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  22. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  23. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  24. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  25. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  26. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  27. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  28. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  29. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  30. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  31. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  32. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  33. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  34. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  35. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  36. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  37. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

    6 years ago
  38. There’s also “deal with it” by Corbin Bleu which became Juliette by ShinEE! xD Anyway, I like a lot kpop and all of those artists are surely talented but they’re quite like mannequins. For example SNSD acting all cute and everything, it’s of course ACTING! I saw them in the everyday life and the only one who’s been quite nice is Jessica. Sunny who tries to look cute on tv has been quite rude that time and Yoona has been even worse, she looked at the fans (there were only like 3 or 4) like she were looking at a bunch of monsters, I didn’t like this at all.
    LoL ok this has nothing to do with the topic! XD Sorry! I’d have prefered if they wrote their own lyrics but until it’s just entertainment then it’s ok, actually it’s really good! XD
    (sorry for my english o.o)

    6 years ago
  39. Firstly I didn’t know that “Run devil run” and “Danger” were someone else songs O.o I only new about “Hot  Summer” because it was quite popular song in my country. I was dissappointed to hear it. SHINee song “Juliette” wasn’t their too. In my opinion k-pop bands don’t have to know how to write songs. There’s a lot of musicians who don’t know how to do this. But they should at least write lyrics or sth so that they could express themselves by it =) As you said other companies usually don’t do that kind of things… SM Entertaiment have all ability to create SHINee, F(x) etc. their unique style and oryginal music. I really like their songs, but I’m totally dissappointed because of the fact it’s other version of this song.

    6 years ago
    • if it helps “Juliette” is written by Jonghyun(lyrics) while the music is from Corbin’s song  Deal with it(i don’t know if it was written by him or not but maybe not?)”

      Just wondering…are those original versions of songs written by the ones who sang them first??i mean if it was written by a composer and that composer sold it to SM…there’s not much of a difference really right??we just get two songs in two different languages.I don’t see any problem with that. 

      6 years ago
  40. There was also a big thing back in 2008 when DBSK released “Mirotic”. It’s identical to a European (I believe she’s German) singer’s song. Sarah Conner – “Under My Skin”. Here’s a video of DBSK’s video with Sarah Conner’s vocals instead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuJG0dc61ag
    There was a huge internet debate going on about which one was plagiarized and all that jazz. Neither one of them were, they were both bought from the original composer and released, but it just shows SM has a long~ history of doing this. There is even a demo-type company/band called “Phrased Differently”. I know for sure that DBSK’s “Wrong Number” and Tohoshinki’s “Survivor” came from them.
    Now, I absolutely love DBSK, and I know that a lot of Tohoshinki’s songs were written by the members, so I’m not badmouthing SM.
    It’s just, from what I’ve noticed, I don’t think SM has been writing their own songs for quite some time.

    6 years ago
    • It actually wasn’t a big debate in 2008 because it was already stated by the Danish song writer in Danish Elle that he sold the song to both TVXQ and Sarah Connor. TVXQ had the rights for Asia and Sarah got the rights for Europe. They recorded their song at the end of 2007 but Sarah released her version first. BTW, plagiarism only comes into play when the rights have not been bought and the original composer doesn’t get credit/paid for their intellectual property. That was not the case with this and hence people did not make a big deal about it.

      5 years ago
    • Haha, I know they’re the same band. *ridiculously huge TVXQ fan* But I was separating them like that because a lot of Tohoshinki’s songs, as in their Japanese songs, were written by the members. But DBSK, aka their Korean songs, were not. That’s the only reason I made the distinction.

      6 years ago
    • Yes, I’ve heard of that controversy, it was a really big thing back in 2008…and, by the way, DBSK and Tohoshinki are the same band o-o

      6 years ago
  41. FINALLY some non-fangirl comments <3
    I think that SM artists deserve to have original songs because they work SO SO hard but the remakes of the songs are REALLY good xD
    I also believe that SM should just man up and start writing their own songs, they have enough song writers to be able to write them and many of their own artists write lyrics so that shouldn't be a problem. 
     

    6 years ago
  42. Ana

    *rant*

    I REALLY like SHINee, but for the “sing WHILE dancing so well” sentence I would’ve liked to have seen DB5K (just because they’re the first SME artists, imo, that handle both first instead of SHINee) ^^;/end rant

    6 years ago
    • er whoa dude. get your facts right. dbsk was not the first SME artists. there was H.O.T., S.E.S. Black Wings, Kangta, etc. etc. and to be honest, if you think SHINee is good at dancing+singing, you will be blown away by H.O.T. 

      6 years ago
      • Kangta was in HOT wasn’t he? They were like the FIRST EVER KPop group I’ve heard of, waaayyy back in the day lol

        6 years ago
  43. My biggest issue with songs that are remade has nothing to do with the song itself. It has to do with the viewer comments I’ll read on Youtube. I see people arguing over who sang the song better or why one version sounds better, and some people get really nasty. And its all so stupid! I mean, comparing Kesha with SNSD? How is that even possible? They have completely different styles and are nothing alike! And just saying that the one artist sucks or has no talent doesn’t help convince anyone. Obviously they must have some. And bringing in issues like ones nationality or racism doesn’t help things either. How does not liking the kpop version make someone stupid and racist? They just don’t like that style of music. Grr, its so frustrating, I could rant forever on this, but I won’t lol. 

    6 years ago
  44. On the one hand, I don’t think it is that big of a deal that SM buys songs and remakes them. Its good business for them, because kpop is a business. As long as everything is done legally then it is ok. On the other, it would be nice to see more of the idols writing their own songs or more of their big hits being ones written for them specifically.
    In all honesty, a lot of the remakes I’ve seen mentioned in the comments are ones that I didn’t know were remakes. And for the ones that I knew about, it really only bugged me when I knew the English version. I heard Kesha’s version of ‘Run Devil Run’ first, so its hard for me to listen to SNSD’s version. Not because it is someone else singing it or even that I don’t tend to listen to SNSD, but because I can’t understand their lyrics and I already know the song in a form I do understand. And SHINee’s ‘Juliette’ is the hardest thing for me to listen to. SM bought the music for Corbin Bleu’s ‘Deal with It’ and turned it into SHINee’s song. The English parts of ‘Juliette’ don’t match ‘Deal with It.’ But when I listen to SHINee’s song, I don’t sing out Juliette, but deal with it. And then I end up singing the song in English (I used to be obsessed with Corbin Bleu so I know it by heart haha). 
    Its hard to listen to something in another language when you know it in yours. For example, in my Spanish class freshman year we watched Harry Potter, in Spanish. My friends and I spent the whole time saying English quotes or laughing at how weird it is seeing, I don’t know, Alan Rickman but not hearing him. I’d honestly rather have the version I know already. 

    6 years ago
  45. well honestly, remaking or repackaging or reversioning(word) english songs to kpop songs isn’t bad at all for starters, i mean, yeah Martina was right, atleast they make an effort on the choreo and for other stuff, that is how the industry works, as long as it appeals to people whether it’s original or  NOT original (but bought legally) it doesn’t matter to them. They make money out of it. I’m not trying to defend SMENT but it’s not only them who does it~ other industries too and and also not only on KPOP, other music industry on other countries also do the same thing ONE HELL OF A BIG EXAMPLE is my country, PHILIPPINES. so for me it’s normal already. and also one more thing, not everything on their album is a remake, some of it are original too, so we can not say, SMENT doesn’t have an over all originality… so peace! just my opinion… 

    hope u guys can read this~ ^^

    6 years ago
    • I agree with you.lol some comments just make it seem like the artists don’t get any original songs when they do. it just happens that SM tend to use the remake ones as a single and as a main track that’s why all the attentions are on that particular song and we tend to forget that some of the songs are not remakes.

      6 years ago
  46. “SNSD’s Run Devil Run was originally sung as a tester by KE$HA.”LoL… it really sounds like SNSD are taking the leftovers from a famous artist who thinks it’s not really a good song =P…

    6 years ago
  47. I think it’s totally ok for me, I don’t really care about hot summer is original from any other songs. Actually, a Taiwanese singer Jolin Tsai蔡依林 was also sung this song before(in 2009, and but her version is “hot winter”) And I love all of these three version (Monrose, Jolin and f(x)), all the three version have it’s own special part.

    6 years ago
  48. I think it’s totally ok for me, I don’t really care about hot summer is original from any other songs. Actually, a Taiwanese singer Jolin Tsai蔡依林 was also sung this song before(in 2009, and but her version is “hot winter”) And I love all of these three version (Monrose, Jolin and f(x)), all the three version have it’s own special part.

    6 years ago
  49. That’s the reason I hate SM Entertainment.

    6 years ago
  50. haha on the evil side it was obvious that it was Martina’s song. ohmygosh, the two of you’s voices are already stuck in my head haha

    6 years ago
  51. I kno tht this has nothing to do with anything…. but WHAT is tht stuff on simon’s left arm

    6 years ago
  52. But there are SM artists who do write and compose (at least some of) their own music. They’re just not the most popular, so they get overlooked. A lot. ):

    Buying songs for pop artists/groups doesn’t really bother me because all the songs are so shallow half the time anyways. Catchy corny love songs, generic “zomg I’m so sad/lonely because we broke up,” songs, and even just generic “ya we osm” songs. Not that I hate that kind of song (I listen to them ffs), I just can’t imagine the artist feeling that much more of a connection to those sorts of songs if they wrote them themselves. The lyrics aren’t really ever personal, and especially once you consider a group dynamic, it becomes even less so.

    /2cents

    6 years ago
  53. I have a great solution, stop listening to k-pop and support k-indie… the end.

    6 years ago
  54. I’m a big fans of SHINee since they’re debut.
    but when “Juliette” released, and I know it’s a remake song, I kinda felt dissapoint.
    I hope in the next album, the songs are the original creations, but… 
    in the next album, they used remaked songs even more! 
    au au au~~ T_____________T 

    6 years ago
  55. SME is known for legally buying music from around the world to diversify what they present as kpop. Other entertainment companies and composers that are working in the industry right now are talented, but there is a limit to the number of songs they compose. Many composers have a certain pattern or style they follow when writing songs, and after a while they start to sound similar. Take people from all the big hit songs: Brave Brothers, Yoo Youngjin, Teddy, JYP & E-Tribe to name a few. These group of big name composers have begun having what could be interpreted as a “signature sound” but to others it boils down to repetition and repetition is boring for many. (Take songs by JYP: heartbeat and i’ll be back and really, the patterns of the songs are duplicates, and if desired, someone could make a flawless mash up of the two lol)
    If the styles used are the same, then what attracts new listeners and keeps current listeners entertained? I think its good for companies to work with other people and get new music. Its not as if SM just picks songs at random, but instead they search the globe for songs that they like and have potential for their artists.

    6 years ago
  56. Ah well, DBSK’s Mirotic was originally Sarah Connor’s Under My Skin. I sure wished they made their own songs too instead of buying songs esp from American countries. I mean, kpop is called kpop for a reason. If it comes from America then it certainly defeated its purpose, no?

    6 years ago
  57. you forgot about juliette by SHINee…it was originally corbin bleu’s

    6 years ago
  58. A demo is a demo.  I don’t get why people are bothered that the artists did a song because the demo leaked.  The Run Devil Run demo belongs to Kesha the same amount that this site belongs to me.  AKA it doesn’t.

    A demo is like a guide track that’s given to many hopeful artists that pretty much says “this is how we intended the song to sound and be sung.”  Kesha being picked for the demo does not make it hers in anyway.  Chances are is that she was friends with the producer and the person went “hey we need a vocal for this song we’d like to send out to market” and she agreed.  It’s actually fairly standard music business the only difference in the SM cases is that it’s not as “hush-hush” (for lack of a better word).

    Kpop seems to be the only genre in the world where something like this is even cared about.  Even SM’s original songs will have a demo made for them that isn’t by the final artist of the song.  The only problem is that those haven’t leaked.  We’re really expecting far too much from Kpop if we’re getting upset about things like this.

    6 years ago
    • But the thing is, the other duplicated songs aren’t demos, they have been officially released. Martina and Simon are not just talking about hot summer ONLY.

      6 years ago
  59. I personally think its kind of unfair for f(x) to be given 2 non original songs in a row, especially with Hot Summer being a 4 year old track. I like Hot Summer but at the same time I don’t think it will be their biggest known hit as well as the fact that it is the song to promote a repackaged album.

    Lets not forget that SNSD’s “Tell Me Your Wish (Genie)” was created by a Norwegian company in which SME bought the rights to that and reworked it for korea. Now its basically THE song we all know Girls Generation by.I just love kpop really, haha

    6 years ago
  60. Well, to throw my two cents in there, I have a very good friend of mine who made a very good living writing hit songs, and he always has a notebook he carries around with songs in the making that he will scribble in when inspiration hits him. He doesn’t write them with the artist in mind, he writes them out of his own experiences, inspiration and thoughts. Then they get picked up by the appropriate artist. Tons TONS of songs aren’t written by someone the artist knows, they get tweaked and personalized by the band, sure, but you can’t tell me that all the little 15 year old girls who become pop stars know that much about the extreme heartbreak and love that they sing about sometimes, lol. Lots of songs are written by other people, people who just make a living writing songs, not singing them or performing them in any other way-they write them and then they get picked up by someone who thinks they fit the band, thinks it might make a hit song, thinks it will sell…..with no personal or life experiences of the band members in mind.

    6 years ago
  61. agreed. kpop music isn’t deep, it’s purely for entertainment, and heck they do a pretty great job at it. But if you’re looking for something deep and enriching for your life kpop isn’t it. Don’t get me wrong, I love kpop :) but I also enjoy opera and classical just as much :)

    6 years ago
  62. Here is an interesting thing that I’ve recenltly heard from my Korean teacher “Artists that are under lebels like SME  are not singers they are ENTERTAINERS” so here we come to the difference between the “singer/artist” and “entertainer”. This is the most common thing in the entertaining industry not only in Korea but all around the world. There are quite few popular performers thet are fully responsible for their work, how many songs do you think Britney Spears or Rihanna composed (I know, I know, the industry is changing but there is still plenty of them)? I think that buying songs by SM is not determinatad by the fact that they don’t feel like hiring their own “cerative staff” but it’s a proof that they are professionals that serach for the best product on the market to satisfy the fans and competetive music industry. It’s not a problem to hire a bunch of people to make music for you, however it is an achievment to buy a song and make it popular, so people would identify it with a specyfic company/artist and not with an original author.

    6 years ago
  63. that makes 4 versions of the song. This is so frustrating
    1. f(x)
    2. Monrose
    3. Rhys
    4. Jolin Tsai
    i don’t get the appeal its not even that great of a song

    6 years ago
  64. that makes 4 versions of the song. This is so frustrating
    1. f(x)
    2. Monrose
    3. Rhys
    4. Jolin Tsai
    i don’t get the appeal its not even that great of a song

    6 years ago
  65. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

    6 years ago
  66. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

    6 years ago
  67. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

    6 years ago
  68. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

    6 years ago
  69. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

    6 years ago
  70. I honestly don’t mind remade songs tbh what SM does to the songs they buy usually makes them better
    i prefer Mirotic to Under My Skin, Danger to whateverthatsongwascalled, SNSD’s Run Devil Run but i also have to admit it does get annoying.

    I love f(x) but i cannot stand hot summer. I was in Germany when Monrose released it I am Australian and have experienced the runner up of So You Think You Can Dance also release his own version and i
    couldn’t enjoy the song as much as i would have if it wasn’t a remake.

    It also makes me think of Block B and G-dragon and how they are idols that write and produce their own songs and in my opinion they are better because of it. However i can’t say that for everyone *cough* 2pm.

    So all in all as long as the song is good and is legally bought go for it but I’m more likely to respect and appreciate the song if the artist wrote it themselves

    6 years ago
  71. LOL at people tweeting about eatyoukimchi’s “RANTING” about SM buying songs.. It’s like calling their packs for a battle hahaha.

    6 years ago
  72. SME has Yoo Young Jin. But now they buys songs more.

    6 years ago
  73. Actually, I don’t complain of SM using other songs and giving them to their artists since they always do that song better and sm artists are also pretty good… 
    As I read in a comment before, and actually, ok it’s true… SM artists don’t really have time to write their own songs since they have to promote themselves, their music and everything since an artist that doesn’t promote him or herself is not known… not loved…
    Anyway, copying others songs may fail too since people who heard the original version (official or unofficial), when they hear the remake the most probable reaction will be like ”oh yeah, a korean copy!, I prefer the original one” and I’m saying this because i’ve heard and read comments about Wheesung with imsomnia, snsd with RunDevilRun, and with f(x)… Specially knowing that most people are more focused in USA’s productions rather in Asia, even more from countries where people only know Asia as a culture that is raising with countris like Japan or China but don’t really know their entertainment productions… 
    At this point, it would really be who make the song better and more catchy, cool or whatever…  better..
    In the other hand, I would prefer SM buy songs from composers or let artists make their own songs (if they want) giving a more original tone to their artists and that if they really want to be known internationally they do it with their own song, not a copy… i don’t really agree with SM giving to copy songs to F(x) that even though are good, they are still copies and after Danger, the secong copy is kind of disrespectful to f(x) because it is like their not giving apreciation to all the potential this girls have…But as I said in the beginning I don’t blame SM, I would like them to give original songs to their artists but copying, they don’t do it bad… It would be soooo sad if their copies were bad copies but their not…

    6 years ago
  74. The amount of pressure that netizens put on these idols is truly incredible. Not only must they sing perfectly, dance perfectly, and look immaculate (naturally, of course, because plastic surgery is bad bad bad), they must write and produce all of their own music in order to be credible. I know the term “idol” seems to set the bar high for these poor kids but they are still human.

    There isn’t a single entertainment group in Korea – or the world, really – that is trying to sell artistry. This is why song writers exist. If we were to strip every single kpop group of their integrity for lacking originality, they’d all be frauds. That’s pop music. It’s fun and upbeat and trendy and it takes a truly talented entertainer to make it appealing because it rarely offers up anything that we haven’t seen or heard already. Just take it as it is and enjoy. Don’t expect something from these entertainment companies that they clearly are not advertising.

    6 years ago
  75. I don’t see anything wrong with buying them. It sucks that F(x) is getting handed all of these songs and getting slammed by viewers for it. But what counts is the group makes it way better than the original people who sang it. As for ‘Run devil run’ I like both SNSD’s version and Ke$ha so its win win. I don’t wanna see F(x) getting bashed for this anymore so please write one original song? Their my favorite group in front of 2NE1 and Big Bang and I want them to stay there…

    6 years ago
  76. “If you’re looking for a band that got together and started singing songs in their basement, then evolved into a group that makes groundbreaking music as an artform, then you’re looking into the wrong genre with Kpop.”

    I think the above quote epitomizes what I think about the issue. I came to K-pop, not looking for anything poignant or sincere in the songwriting or vocal work, but as someone who was looking for something easy to digest and entertaining. K-pop as a whole, no matter what agency is releasing the music, does that for me and does it very, very well. In my opinion, even better than most American pop artists nowadays. The issue of whether SME should write their own songs for their artists instead of buying them from elsewhere is kind of a moot point. Hiring songwriters to write songs just for that agency doesn’t make the music anymore valid than if they went out and bought it outside of the agency. They’re still paying money for material that the artists haven’t written themselves to perform.

    All the rage and anger about this seems like a lot of hot air venting. If you like the music and the artist, then do your best to support them. If you don’t, go elsewhere to find music that you do like and support that. Raise a ruckus if someone or some agency is doing something illegal and/or unjust. Raise a ruckus if your favorite artist is found to not actually be singing their songs. Anything else is just arms flailing in the nothingness.

    Last thought, I came to K-pop looking for something simply entertaining. To my surprise, I found a lot more natural talent in the arena than I had expected. Vocalists like Hyorin from SISTAR, everyone in 2AM, etc., just exploding with talent. Even behind the scenes with Brave Brothers and the like are amazing talents on the boards and deserve recognition. These people make the songs, wherever they come from, theirs. To me, that’s real talent.

    6 years ago
  77. Not just SM does that. In Japan, DJ Ozma have been remaking a lot of Korea’s Koyote’s hits songs into even better and still hit songs. Elvis had an awful lots of songs that used to be someone else’s prior to his singing them and making them more popular… The Beatles and the Rolling Stones had their start covering popular blues and pop rock songs… Songs have a life of their own, too. A lot of Occidental artists release cover albums, too, as an hommage to the people who inspired them to start singing in the first place. I think that as long as copyright laws are respected and the songwriters receive their fair share of the profits made from the songs, then it’s all fair to everyone. In Canada, we even had Patsy Gallant turn Gilles Vigneault’s “Mon Pays” into a disco song called “From New York to L.A”…

    6 years ago
  78. But SM DOES have in-house producers/songwriters. And SM DO write their own songs. Some of these songs are title tracks too! Its quite unfortunate that just because most of SM artists’ title tracks are bought, people judge them for not being original. Or insincere as you guys call it. 

    Buying songs and instrumentals is a NORM in the music industry all over the world. That’s how composers make money. And sometimes the composers like to distribute rights to more than just 1 artist. It isn’t SM’s fault that the songs they want to buy have already been covered by another artist before. If it’s catchy, they’ll buy it. Simple as that.The only reason this is such a big issue is because this is Kpop, and Kpop fans like to make an issue out of anything and everything.

    6 years ago
  79. Not all idols have manufactured images some of them are really themselves. A pop idol isn’t all about that. I don’t know much on pop idols but I know enough that that is not what it is all about. We do not know any of the idols or bands personally, so we don’t know how they really are. For instance, what you said about CL she traveled basically everywhere, she could have still hung out with people who made her out to the way she is now. Just like that girl Cherelle, she lived in Beverly Hills and she turned out to be sort of gangster. I know that you’re not talking about their personalities or trying to insult them. But, their personalities affects their image. NOT ALL idols have manufactured images.

    6 years ago
  80. I agree.  The music industry, both Korea and here, does have a lot of that…put togetherness.  A composer here, a lyricist there, and a singer and dancer put into one (or even two!).

    Enjoy it for what it is.  

    6 years ago
  81. There was a scene in there where they were practicing and Papa YG aren’t satisfied with it because their personalities can’t be seen. He said “So do you just want to dance like the robots? No YG is not like that”.. 

    Very Company has different appeals. I think SM and YG discussion should end here.. Again, this is SM-related blog, not YG’s.

    6 years ago
  82. When Leeteuk was interviewed in France and asked why there was so much love and awareness for K-pop, he said “rather than saying that it is because korean songs are appealing, it is actually because they have an international appeal”.
    By that sentence you can conclude why SM buys non-korean songs. They want their artists and songs to be known, internationally. SM doesn’t aim for such thing as originality and things like “our artists deserve custom songs”. If they believe their artists deserve something, then they deserve fame and international awareness (which they are THE best at providing), and for such purpose, it actually calls for such means that many people here disapprove, in this case, to buy songs -composed by foreigners- that have the international appeal and ‘flavour’. And guess what? That.freaking.works!! No wonder their artists are the ones who have unarguably the most fans and their songs receive tons of awards and are the most popular overseas and all that crazy spazzy stuff.

    I also can’t deny that giving original songs to their artists IT’S an awesome thing to do, but who said that they don’t? Many of their biggest hits (Sorry Sorry is a legend) were produced by their own songwriters, YooYoungJin and Kenzy.

    6 years ago
  83. I think it’s pretty lame that SM just buys other people’s songs… it’s quite disappointing.

    Like with “Hot Summer” I was like “Heck Yeah! New f(x) woot woot *does 2pm shuffle dance*” and then when I heard it was originally performed by someone else…it lost all specialness to me…I wasn’t excited anymore ;__;  lamesauce.

    SM HAVE enough money, why don’t they just hire a song writer?

    #On a completely unrelated note: YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE AN R SQUARE PI SHIRT ! I. would. so. buy. it.

    6 years ago
  84. Yeah like I said ‘fake’ is probably too harsh. ^^; Their personalities do shine on personal shows and variety shows, but their image as SINGERS (SNSD as cute, 2NE1 & Big Bang as…hip-hopish? idk a good way to describe it lol) was made by their company. Anyway, what I was trying to say is you claiming YG groups are superior in all ways is a personal opinion, not a fact. Both companies put out very talented groups but because the music/style of each company is so different you can’t really say one is better than the other, it’s just whatever pleases you the most.
    Also, if it wasn’t obvious I have do a SM bias but I still really, really love 2NE1 (and their music). They are awesome and talented girls. <3

    6 years ago
    • I agree with this too. Although I am a YG stan, I never closed my mind with the talent and perfection SM artist brings to the stage. They rehearse the choreo very well, and they show it the exact thing on the stage. In YG case though, although they have choreo for their songs, specifically BIGBANG and Se7en, they don’t close their performances with these choreos only.  That is why YG singers looks like playing on stage more than sticking with the choreo..

      This should not make a fan war. This is a SM related blog, not YG..

      6 years ago
  85. I dont understand Korean, save for any basic sentences, so I watch kpop to be entertained.  I really dont care whether the songs are originals or not.  Even if they were originals, while I may have my own interpretation of the song, I think the original meaning intended by the artist would be lost on me anyway just because i dont fully understand their culture.   This is probably why i identify more with songs that are written and sung in English.  However, if I want to be entertained, then I turn to foreign language songs (kpop, jpop, cpop, europop).

    6 years ago
  86. The flip side is though, these SM singers makes it more popular than the original ones which is very KPOP..

    Guys down there, that is why there is called Copyright. Although SM bought the rights to make another version/cover of the songs, it’s still not their original songs. 

    It is as if you’re questioning why make an issue out of a designer making the exact same design by another designer. It’s not Illegal, but it’s UNPRODUCTIVE and UNORIGINAL…Not to forget, these are CATCHY SONGS that SME bought.  That is why most likely the pre-owned catchy songs sang by singers can really be a big hit, but not timeless. But at the end of the day, their are entertainers anyways..If they are not your biases that sings it, I wonder what will your stand be. 

    6 years ago
  87. since SM is an ENTERTAINMENT company, they will never be on the same level of YG ENTERTAINMENT. why? because YG makes songs, and hires choreographers and make MVs, so double thumbs up. and SM just entertains. :) 

    6 years ago
    • Think you got it wrong.
      Sorry, but have you listened to Big Bang’s songs? I know they’re good, but in my view their live voice is actually a LOT worse than their MVs- I think there’s a fair element of autotune with YG>SM? Never- a lot of their singers sound same or even better live than in their MVs.

      6 years ago
    • lol uh SM does all those things too. All the idols groups in YG (and yes, hip-hop & rap might be the genre but they’re still idols) are given a manufactured image before they debut. CL for example is from a rich family and spent a good chunk of her life traveling through Europe, but her image is this badass ~gangsta~ girl. It’s just as…fake (though that may be a bit of a harsh word) as a SM girl acting all sweet and sugary. The only difference is the YG manufactured image appeals to you more.

      6 years ago
      • I didn’t say anything about the so called ‘manufactured image’. If you watch 2NE1 TV and BIGBANG TV, then you know what I’m saying. same goes to SNSD’s Baby programme, I never once thought they fake their images, since I’m a fan of Sooyoung. I never think of her faking to be feminine, plus I even love her quirky personality. All I’m saying is that YG aims in producing artist that can sing well, dance well, and produces songs. 2NE1 may not reach that level yet, but at least YG succeeds with BIG BANG. and SM focuses on diverse entertainment such as singing,  MC-ing and acting. They both pursue different routes. In term of music, YG pawns it IMO. :)

        6 years ago
        • Yeah I agree with you. That is the system of YG, “We help you until the time you can stand on your own”. EVERY artists produced by YG later on become producers themselves. 

          But the thing is, you should have brought up YG here.. This is a SM related blog, not YG.

          6 years ago
        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

          6 years ago
        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

          6 years ago
        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

          6 years ago
        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

          6 years ago
        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

          6 years ago
        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

          6 years ago
        • oh im sorry. i didnt intend to create a war. :)

          6 years ago
        • It’s not what I intended to say, don’t misunderstood. We all just know that when YG is brought up, others can’t really help to stay still especially with company wars :)

          6 years ago
      • manufactured image?! LOL 

        Try to watch 2NE1 TV to clear your mind

        6 years ago
  88. If SM bought the rights to the songs then I dont really see what the big problem is here. Like you said, SM in an ENTERTAINMENT company and their idols are farrrrr too busy learning songs, learning dances, and promoting themselves and their albums to sit down and think out original songs for hours on end when they barely have any time to themselves as it it. 

    Also, to the fans, it’s not really who originally owned the song, but who made it more memorable and something that they really love. For instance, SHINee’s “Juliette” is Corbin Bleu’s (from High School Musical if anyone else remembers) “Deal With It”. In my opinion, SHINee did a far better job with the song than Corbin Bleu. 

    So all in all, I care about who does a better job with the song instead of who owned it first. 

    6 years ago
  89. who cares that much if its bought or not.

    6 years ago
  90. Oh, and as for other famous foreign Kpop artists I think Thomas Troelsen have to be mentioned.

    He wrote DBSK’s Mirotic (English version called “Under my Skin” is sung by Sarah Connor), BoA’s Eat You Up and Dangerous, SHINee’s Love like Oxygen.
    He also did a version of Hot Summer for a Taiwanese singer, named Hot Winter (????).

    6 years ago
  91. Well I think that it’s unfair that people think that SME can’t use other people’s songs.
    Look, songwriters have to make a living, right?
    So they sell songs.
    People complain that SME brought those songs and it’s not “original” because it’s from a foreign artist.
    Will they complain if Ke$ha did sing that song instead of SNSD?
    And will they complain if a Korean artist wrote that song?

    I don’t think so. I classify this as racism.
    Nuff said.

    6 years ago
  92. I don’t buy the argument that an artist that writes own song is superior. Does anyone think Luciano Pavarotti is less of a singer because he never composed any song he sang? A singer should be judged by quality of his/her singing only. Whether it was composed by him/herself or someone else should be immaterial. If you read composers’ list of SNSD’s “Genie”, you see Nermin Harambasic, Robin Jenssen, Ronny Svendsen, Anne Judith Wik, Fridolin Nordso Schjoldan(Additional melody by 유영진). It looks like a song composed by a committee. I saw on TV one of them (a Swedish, I can’t remember who) saying he was surprised to find that Genie was released as a dance pop by SME, which he never imagined. So I imagine the Genie as we know it was mostly created by SME, and that the original composition only gave a remote starting point. So do not assume that the original composers had all figured out and that all the production company (SME) had to do was to implement it. It usually requires much creative input to produce what Korean “idol groups” do beyond the original composition.

    6 years ago
  93. ehhh I’m used to it by now…it doesn’t bother me so much anymore and it’s not like they recycle every song that they produce. Sure it would be nice to see a bit more originality when releasing a group’s title song (which IMO is the most important). Maybe they’ll get the hint soon…

    6 years ago
  94. i got used to it TT

    6 years ago
  95. SM has composers. The most famous ones are Yoo Youngjin (Sorry Sorry, Bonamana, Ring Ding Dong, Hot Times, Beautiful Girls, Before U Go) and Kenzie (SJ’s 나란 사람, SHINee’s Life, Jo Jo, Graze, Señorita, LA Cha Ta, Oh!, Into the New World) to name a few.

    I personally don’t have any problem with this. SM’s singers do write lyrics to SOME of their songs. As a SHINee fan I know that Minho writes most of his rap parts himself, Key has written the rap in Get down and Shout out together with Minho. Jonghyun has made contributions as a lyricist to Juliette, Obsession and Up & Down. Onew wrote the lyrics to Your name. Someone also mentioned Yuri as a lyricist for Mistake and Donhae for composing a song for their 4th repackaged and also BoA on her latest album.

    I actually prefer this system. It’s easy to say that SM should make their own song, but when you’re managing 5 different groups it a whole different story. Imagine Yoo Youngjin and Kenzie producing songs for 5 different albums. The reason I’m quoting all these facts is because I think people forget about that SM has a very good composing team of their own; both Korean and foreign composers. What difference is there in originality wether it’s composed by a Korean or a bought European demo? Remakes are a different story but remakes have existed for decades so why can’t SM do it too? I can go on and on about what I think and no one would care. What I am trying to say is that SM can be original. It’s easy to forget that and only focus on the buying-demos-thing. Even if SM decides to use a Korean song they still have to buy it. Sounds familiar?

    And just to put it out there; what would you prefer? A good song that’s bought, or a bad song composed by one of SM’s composers or singers?

    6 years ago
  96. Have you ever searched for Pachebel on youtube? You should, because you’ll have an entirely different perspective on the whole originality concept. One of the many good things of youtube is that you can see a lot of covers. And those covers can be really beautifull and can affect you in an entirely new way. Pachebel’s canon D is beautiful, but the same Canon D by JerryC is fabulous in it’s own right. Coldplay plagiarising Joe Satriani and then denying that they stole it is just plain wrong. Now when a song gets covered wrong, then it’s the Darwin Award for them, no need to fuss over it. I’ve heard different artists make beautiful covers of Britney Spears Toxic. So really, why not? Don’t be a purist, celebrate the effort people put into a song, be it by creating or covering. 

    6 years ago
  97. Have you ever searched for Pachebel on youtube? You should, because you’ll have an entirely different perspective on the whole originality concept. One of the many good things of youtube is that you can see a lot of covers. And those covers can be really beautifull and can affect you in an entirely new way. Pachebel’s canon D is beautiful, but the same Canon D by JerryC is fabulous in it’s own right. Coldplay plagiarising Joe Satriani and then denying that they stole it is just plain wrong. Now when a song gets covered wrong, then it’s the Darwin Award for them, no need to fuss over it. I’ve heard different artists make beautiful covers of Britney Spears Toxic. So really, why not? Don’t be a purist, celebrate the effort people put into a song, be it by creating or covering. 

    6 years ago
  98. Okay, this is completely unrelated, but I really want that shirt that cartoon!Simon was wearing xD

    6 years ago
  99. I’ll go half and half with this one. Yes, I think original songs are better because it shows that artist does show sincerity and effort to express their own music but at the same time most of the songs that SM bought, just like with the two songs of f(x), are in Korean which means they make it their own. Sure, the lyrics are written by someone else too and a lot of artists, not just Korean, do sing songs that are written for them yah? Like you guys said, these songs were bought but the artist themselves make it their own via dance etc. These groups like f(x), SHINee and Super Junior, they are famous in their own right now and even if you give them “rejected” songs, they’ll all turn into something that makes it theirs.

    I hate to admit it but I agree with “Martian Virus” that SHINee and f(x) has become backburners for the SM company for getting redemos for their songs. Super Junior actually write their own songs and they are pretty good composers/songwriters too!

    6 years ago
  100. I strongly side w/ originality cuz i think it kind of discredits the original singers, who had songwriters write the songs specifically for those artists. And that there, i’m assuming, less songwriters that are dedicated to writing original songs kinda tells me the music industry and/or idols are caring more about their image and less about what it means to be a singer. i prefer vocal talent over dance/looks. the problem is pop culture >.<

    6 years ago
  101. I haven’t seen anyone complaining about the hundreds of re-recorded versions of Beatles songs… And I don’t see how is this any different from SM. They bought the right from the composer or legal owner. Also, in my opinion, at least they still have a better taste than Beyoncé when picking other peoples songs or beats (Major Laser’s “pon the floor” beat was turned into her last hit, “Who run the world(girls)”).

    6 years ago
  102. I haven’t seen anyone complaining about the hundreds of re-recorded versions of Beatles songs… And I don’t see how is this any different from SM. They bought the right from the composer or legal owner. Also, in my opinion, at least they still have a better taste than Beyoncé when picking other peoples songs or beats (Major Laser’s “pon the floor” beat was turned into her last hit, “Who run the world(girls)”).

    6 years ago
  103. I dont know much about this, but I agree with most of the things that you said. Anyways, I think that it will be nice if the artists write their own songs, but as you said, kpop insdustry is a completely different thing from what we are used to, and it certainly entertain us. Oh, I am also reading other comments, and some people think that they are artists just for the fortune, but sadly for them they only get a really small amount of all the money the companies get, and those artists really work hard, just imagine how much they have to practice their dances, I am a dancer, and I dont have the levl they had, neither that much presentations, but I have to practice everyday, a lot, just for one dance, just imagine how hard they work, and also, many of those artists study music in the university, but the thing is that the companies, as simon and matina said, are entertainment companies, and obviously what they, the companies, want is popularity, I am sure that many kpop artists want to be composers as well.

    6 years ago
  104. Every company does this and they have a right to do so as long as they buy the song but it seems to me like SM is going the easy way just to get a hit song. A lot of artist sample songs and take for there own but at the same time they put there own twist to it while SM just buys the song and gives it to whatever group. It seems like SM is just being lazy on producing they’re own music and calling other peoples music there own when they had no part on the creative process and that does not seem fair to the producers that created the songs. It gets boring after a while listening to a second hand song. It makes them seem less and less of an entertainment company and more a song cover company because that is just what the groups are doing covering songs in korean.

    6 years ago
  105. SME is doing what every other recording companies are doing, buying songs from composers or other companies that own rights to songs. It also commissions composers to compose for specific artists, that is what you may call “hire composers”? What you called “demo songs” are “guide songs” often produced by composers sung by himself/herself or by another singer to give an idea what produced songs will sound like. Sometimes guide songs don’t even have lyrics, sometimes tentative lyrics. That a guide song is released (often illegally) on internet does not make the finally produced songs any less valuable. I do not agree with your assertion that SME is doing something undesirable because they purchased rights to submitted songs (they have composers from all over the world submitting 1,000+ songs every week!) which is how you do music business.  

    6 years ago
  106. Honestly, it really only even seems like an issue in kpop. This kind of thing happens in all genres of music, all around the world. For some insane reason people have the most unrealistic expectations when it comes to kpop, their artists, the entertainment company’s, and that industry as a whole. Joe shmo netizen and/or fan really have no scope of understanding when it comes to the inner workings that make the kpop industry. Or any part of the music industry at all.

    I actually had a lot more to say. There were a lot of relating points I wanted to touch on, but once I realized I was writing a full blown essay, I decided I should summarize my feelings to just that.

    6 years ago
  107. I think some entertainment companies buy other artist song because they r trying to make that song a comeback. For example Gdragon he did a song This Love and it was song by Maroon 5. He took that song and put his own style to that song .

    6 years ago
  108. I personally have no problem with this because I don’t really see SM Entertainment as saints anyway. (Yes, I’m a DBSK fan. Not so hidden contempt there.) So whatever will get them the most production (original or not) will be their natural choice.  They’re an entertainment company, not a music company. If they were a music company and they didn’t produce original music, then there would be a problem.

    6 years ago
  109. I love Big Bang, don’t get me wrong, but even though they write the lyrics, the beat and the music is still a copy of others so they’re pretty much in the same boat as other kpop artists. 

    6 years ago
  110. I agree with your view fully and can’t understand why SM doesn’t invest their money into buying original songs for their hardworking artists. Now from my own knowledge Monrose and other german artists also buy their songs from european producers and in fact SM has been buying a lot from those same producers. While those german artists or artists like Kesha may have the rights to the song in the european/western market, SM only holds the rights to the songs in the asian market. What I would really like to know is…now that they plan to export Kpop to the western audiences, especially Europe and America….can they officially re-release those same songs in korean, if they only have the rights for the songs in the asian market? I think SM will at least face a bigger controversy if they really plan on doing that. For me personally I am kind of fed up, knowing that the majority of Shinee’s/SM artist’s songs is pre-released songs or demos. And what really annoys me is the fact, that I have to listen to songs that were popular in Germany 5 years ago and I already hated with all my might (Monrose’s Hot Summer, Cinema Bizarre’s Forever or Never and Sarah Connor’s version of Mirotic [‘Under my skin’]….ugh I don’t know anymore). While I do like some of the korean versions better, it doesn’t make me love them automatically just because they’re korean. And fx’s Hot Summer for example lacks a bit of the power Monrose’s song had, they just went for the cutesy concept again, which wouldn’t work in Europe at all. I’m actually really not against SM buying songs since their artists have made their versions kind of cool in my eyes. But I wish they bought songs that’d showcase their artists better and create a unique SM-sound or..a typical ‘Shinee-sound’ or whatever.

    6 years ago
  111. It’s called cheaping out. SME can buy songs for really cheap that way, especially if a song can only be used within certain regions (see: DBSK’s Mirotic). Entertainment companies really cheap out in actually giving the artists profit because the recruiting and training costs money so they want to minimize risks, forgetting that they’re dealing with actual humans who work at an inhuman schedule instead of robots who sing and dance, and that they deserve some money too.

    6 years ago
  112. I’m sorry to digress from the topic on hand but…..

    I like your ‘shirt’ in the video…Took me a few minutes to realise your R Square Pie!
    Where do you get your shirts from? they’re usually quite cool! ( I mean your real shirts in your live videos…not your animated one….)

    6 years ago
  113. I totally agree with everything said. I guess SM buy and polish a lot of other songs is because they don’t have a set producer working for them – like JYP has JYP, YG has Teddy Park and Cube has InDaCube guy. However I do think things are going to change for the better with SM as they’ve finally got a set producer working for them – Teddy Riley. He was the one that was working with RaNia, but they’ve seemed to have parted ways. I also think that the SM artists themselves are gradually putting their hand into their music too. Yuri from SNSD wrote one of the songs on their Hoot EP (Mistake), and she’s been saying how she wants a laptop to compose more songs for their future projects. Tiffany also wrote a song during the production process of their Hoot EP… but her song didn’t make it onto the final record.  BoA was also co writing some of the stuff for her comeback album last year. So I hope all these little things are signs of SM becoming more original with their music, because they have some ridiculously talented artists that deserve better. ^^

    Ribal

    6 years ago
  114. Concerning SNSD it goes even further, as far as it can even go: Their first album and a song on that album is named exactly like the band itself (that’s not the problem). That song, however, was a cover of a song from Lee Seung Chul from 1989. So there was the whole album and even the whole band named after someone else’s song.

    Just search in Youtube something like 이승철 소녀시대 (better results with hangul).

    6 years ago
  115. When I see
    many comments say that GD is also sampling other songs, yes i admit that.

    But remember
    most of his songs are still original, just a part is sampling it.(a few
    sentence over a 4mins song-,-) Unlike SME is just covering the songs and
    rearrange it to let the song more “that band style” i.e. f(x)’s
    Danger and Hot summer.

    Moreover,
    when people says at least SME have the permission of the original artist to
    cover their songs, when YG is even sampling without permission. I think it
    should be clarified that GD is sampling other songs, but if you have brought
    his CD, you will find loads of credit behind the album. (especially the
    GD&TOP one, so many that i was shocked) He did have the permission of the
    original publisher before he release the song. He have learnt something after
    the Heartbreaker thing i guess (even though flo rida said he didn’t
    plagiarised).
    But actually, i don’t see the covering problem to be so big. We just enjoy
    those song too, right? you may not even know the original song if there’s no
    cover from the kpop artist. And SME can earn as much as profit as they wish. We
    just can’t see the real music talent of the artist. (but you can still see the
    singing skills, dancing skills, acting skills…) And that’s why they are so call
    “idols” but not “artist”.

    About the
    song-writing classes? nah…that’s not gonna happen. SME idols don’t have
    time!! they go on variety shows, they so many activities…they don’t have time
    for classes. And they don’t have time for composing songs. Take GD as an
    example again, he said most of his time is composing (a few song per day*0*).
    He most recent place is the recording studio and the YG buiding’s canteen. Can
    SME afford its idols to do that? Nope. In addition, GD really have the talent
    for making a catchy kpop song, if SME really lets its idol to compose song, and
    if their song are shit, oh SME will have to suffer from a loss. Will SME bear
    this risk? Nope. SME is a profit-making company.
    So, i think, we should not blame SME for covering most of their songs. When
    release it, we listen. But maybe we can appreciate more for the real artist who
    compse their own song. (okay im a GD fan XD) And wish SME to release more
    original song by SME’s songwriters (instead of the idol). As it somehow make me
    feels sick too (i was shocked again when i know both f(x) tilte track are
    covers).
    this is my first comment…wow a bit long, too many to share :)

    6 years ago
  116. When I see many comments say that GD is also sampling other songs, yes i admit that.
    But remember, most of his songs are still original, just a part is sampling it.(a few sentence over a 4mins song-,-) Unlike SME is just covering the songs and rearrange it to let the song more “that band style” i.e. f(x)’s Danger and Hot summer.
    Moreover, when people says at least SME have the permission of the original artist to cover their songs, when YG is even sampling without permission. I think it should be clarified that GD is sampling other songs, but if you have brought his CD, you will find loads of credit behind the album. (especially the GD&TOP one, so many that i was shocked) He did have the permission of the original publisher before he release the song. He have learnt something after the Heartbreaker thing i guess (even though flo rida said he didn’t plagiarised).
    But actually, i don’t see the covering problem to be so big. We just enjoy those song too, right? you may not even know the original song if there’s no cover from the kpop artist. And SME can earn as much as profit as they wish. We just can’t see the real music talent of the artist. (but you can still see the singing skills, dancing skills, acting skills…) And that’s why they are so call “idols” but not “artist”.
    About the song-writing classes? nah…that’s not gonna happen. SME idols don’t have time!! they go on variety shows, they so many activities…they don’t have time for classes. And they don’t have time for composing songs. Take GD as an example again, he said most of his time is composing (a few song per day*0*). He most recent place is the recording studio and the YG buiding’s canteen. Can SME afford its idols to do that? Nope. In addition, GD really have the talent for making a catchy kpop song, if SME really lets its idol to compose song, and if their song are shit, oh SME will have to suffer from a loss. Will SME bear this risk? Nope. SME is a profit-making company.
    So, i think, we should not blame SME for covering most of their songs. When release it, we listen. But maybe we can appreciate more for the real artist who compse their own song. (okay im a GD fan XD) And wish SME to release more original song by SME’s songwriters (instead of the idol). As it somehow make me feels sick too (i was shocked again when i know both f(x) tilte track are
    covers).
    this is my first comment…wow a bit long, too many to share :)

    6 years ago
  117. I think it would be nice if they just used their own original songs and gave their musicians more creative powers. However, in my opinion, every song that SM has bought the rights to and copied has made them ridiculously better than the originals. They are catchier and more fun to listen to. Just my opinion :)

    6 years ago
  118. that’s why i like groups like B2ST and BIG BANG that write the majority of their own songs^^

    6 years ago
  119. Jolin Tsai from Taiwan has a song named “Hot Winter” and its actually the same song as f(x)’s Hot Summer/Monrose’s Hot Summer…just the different between Winter & Summer lol~
    Hot Winter – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U6MNcaHj6s

    6 years ago
  120. a very nice review by you guys. i agree with you and i AM n SM biased, Specially SHINee & SuJu biased. and it’s true that even if some songs are bought by SM entertainment, the WHOLE of the label bands under it WORKS and actually HARD WORKS like anything to bring success to it. so we shouldn’t simply bash the SM entertainment but also appreciate that they gave us some REALLY worthy bands to keep us worked up and entertained. And as you mentioned, not ALL kpop bands both SING & DANCE as well as SHINee and ON TOP OF THAT, SING WHILE dancing so well. nice job done there. this review should clear out MOST of those annoying bashings made against SM entertainment.

    6 years ago
  121. (my first comment, yay!) I agree with your points, and you’ve actually opened more my mind. I would like to add some things: I’ve read many kpop “artists” write some songs, but, well, they’ve not studied composing, so I think many of those lyrics are discarded. Other thing I’ve read too is that, for an album, they record lots and lots of music. And in that point I’m just a bit… not sad, but I don’t get why amongst those, I don’t know, a hundred musics they choose many bought ones. They surely don’t must buy a lot of songs to just record and see if it ended well to an album, but what about the other almost-hundred?

    I still won’t stop listening to some songs just because they’re bought. I am studying korean also to understand the lyrics, but I think a song is also to be felt, not necessarily to be “lyric-understandable”. And, well, if they do good performances too, I’m quite satisfied.
    When those people want to enter this “entertainment industry”, I think they’re aware of these points (songs being bought, etc) and want to enter to open more doors to them, maybe a solo career in the future, I don’t know. So if they’re aware and even so they are in this industry, they are doing their job (at least for now).

    6 years ago
  122. I know way too many musicians, I guess. This isn’t a new concept. Every company buys songs whether they admit to it or not. I don’t think it’s a big deal because most people aren’t buying the actual music, they’re buying the “brand,” the image of that group/person. I just don’t understand why people get so upset nowadays because it’s been going on for a veeeeeeeeeeery, very long time.

    6 years ago
  123. Yeah, it seem to me to be a little ridiculous that they do it so much, but everyone in the American market is either redoing old songs, or using bits and samples from older songs to make new songs, so it’s really not much different.  Jason Derulo using Imogen Heap’s “Whatcha Say”, for example.  People do it all the time.

    6 years ago
  124. LMAO…simon…love the shirt, R Square Pie!!! hehehe, LOVE  U-Kiss. I dunno, its a tough call, but i think  SM Ent deff needs to take better care of its bands. It kinda seems silly, these guys are soo popular…but off of other peoples music??? Although i have to say im a big Super Junior fan, and even without their music, i’d love them b/c of their hardwork, personalities, these guys go above and beyond for their fans. I think SM should try to create THEIR OWN music and stop bumming off other peoples work….

    6 years ago
  125. I want an “r squared pi” shirt… (゚⊿゚)

    6 years ago
  126. Some “idols” nowadays are getting sick of being synthesized by a machine and being even called idols. I admit that i like Kpop a lot but what i like the most is that they are finally opening their eyes and some of them are making their own music without any buy-and-go song in their way. SM has really good entertainers on their hands but it would be freaking awesome if those entertainers evolve into full artists and then into real good musicians writing their own music.

    6 years ago
  127. JYP that’s all I gotta say.

    6 years ago
  128. Actually I can understand the two point of view.
    It’s a really hum… kind of difficult subject(?). Cause as you say it’s not illegal, and maybe the artist can try to make their own interpretation of the song. But for me it’s really disapointed. We tend to actually really like original songs and all, and when we know that it’s just a copy it feels weird.
    But (put aside SMent) if we took the example of GD “this love”, it’s actually kind of original and all, and I like it, the same goes to Lee seungGi’s mask. (though it’s totally the same song!).
    (oh and insomnia by wheesung. )
    I think artist can reuse the same song but only if they do a real work on it.
    As for Sment, it’s just how to say, industry? Piking a catchy song, giving to their idol and making them dance and sing on it… And futhermore they do it so many time! (I start to believe that they have no any originality!) I don’t know if the “the singer put their feeling in it” things can really works with Idol groups..; except some songs..
    Actually I really don’t know and I’m saying crap here! But I think this article was really interesting and all! I’m glad you did this!
    Love~

    6 years ago
  129. Music is music, pretty much all music is some remix or remake of another. Artists sample beats, use lyrics from other songs etc. If a person finds enjoyment from the music does it really matter where it came from as long as it hasn’t been stolen?

    Some of Led Zeppelins most famous songs are remakes of other songs. Does that make Led Zeppelin any less talented? Not to me. Same applies here.

    6 years ago
    • It does matter. -Doesn’t feel like typing explanation-

      6 years ago
      • Okay it doesn’t matter to me is maybe what I should have said? I am okay with enjoying my music as it is without worrying about it being someone elses demo or a cover. 

        6 years ago
      • Okay it doesn’t matter to me is maybe what I should have said? I am okay with enjoying my music as it is without worrying about it being someone elses demo or a cover. 

        6 years ago
  130. SM also has it’s own songwriters, but they also buy song from other companies, they do both. The good thing that comes off is a different style of music, a different feel everytime. That’s what I like about SM.

    6 years ago
  131. I actually had to explain this to my boyfriend. You can’t really look at them as ‘Artists’ in the musical sense of the word, but rather ENTERTAINERS.  Until they start songwriting and receiving said royalties, we can enjoy the music they’re singing to and their performances as entertainers, not artists. G-Dragon is an artist, Kahi from After School is an artist, JeA from B.E.G. is an artist. f(x) are entertainers, SNSD are entertainers, Super Junior are entertainers. This is mostly the reason why I don’t see groups like SNSD or KARA as ‘singers’ because I enjoy them much more on variety shows.

    As for SM or many other companies buying songs to remake into a Kpop version; this is not the first or last time.  In fact, it’s happened in reverse, between other countries, but I suppose the sheer amount that gets released from SM is a bit staggering.  I don’t think this is wrong or should take away from the artist releasing their version.  One example is CSJH The Graces ‘My Everything’ originally sung/ written by an idol winner from Norway.  Both versions are great, except I’m more partial to CSJH’s simply because the vocal performance is pretty phenomenal (also there are 4 girls, acappella-trained).  SNSD’s Genie/ Nathalie Makohoma’s Just Wanna Dance; I personally think this is SNSD’s best track, but Nathalie makes the track sound like such a dirty club banger – I listen to both.

    6 years ago
    • I bow down to you and this perfect comment

      6 years ago
    • omg what you said totally answered my questions!! :D i am like you, i don’t see SNSD, KARA, f(x), super junior as artist.. 

      by the way, Miryo from B.E.G are also an artist, because she took part in many song writing in B.E.G’s song. according to B.E.G members, she earns the most because of royalties although she rarely attends variety shows.. 

      6 years ago
      • Hi! I consider Super Junior and other SM artists as musicians because they write some of their songs too (if you’ll look through their albums). Maybe most of us don’t notice that because we focus on how we are seeing them now. Oh and they could play instruments too :))

        4 years ago
    • You bring up some really great points- after all its all about money so who cares so long as they do it legally right!? Still it’s kinda hard to swallow the lack of originality this promotes especially when done such succession (and on a single group on top  of that). Like you said, though, they are entertainers not artists and as such they are only interpreting the work of others to begin with. I still feel cheated…and cant make up my mind whether it’s okay or not to have it keep happening.

      6 years ago
  132. I agree with the devil. Period.

    6 years ago
  133. “they may not fit the traditional idea of musicians, they’re taking music artistry to a different level, and focusing on different aspects of music than what we’re traditionally used to.” 
    That’s exactly what I feel when it comes to Kpop..i’m fairly new to this genre before i’m so into Linkin Park and My Chemical Romance which is the polar opposite of kpop.In fact I only see them as Idols and Entertainers that produce attractive people who sing and dance to their uber catchy songs. But ever since he Hallyu reached the shores of my country, I’ve been hearing them everywhere. People have been raving about them here so I was like ‘if you can’t beat them, join them and let’s-see-what-the-fuss-is-this-shiz-about-type of approach.’

    Ok, they’re talented, attractive and lively, but when I discovered that SMent does the song buying, ‘slave contracts’ (i know, that’s a whole new issue, wow SMent is so controversial!) thing, It gave me a stereotypical perception of kpop although I try not to because Its unfair to the other agencies and artists especially YG and JYP. 

    I was shocked about the Mirotic, RDR, and now Hot Summer cover/buying issue because those are my favorite kpop tracks. Honestly, it felt awkward when I discovered it..now i’m thinking if Super Junior’s Sorry, sorry; Super Girl, and Its you are also from another artist but thankfully they’re not. I also read about a comment which is so identical to my rant that why buy songs when they have artists who knows how to compose song themselves e.g. Zhou Mi and Henry who wrote some songs for their SJM mini albums, there’s Leeteuk and Ryeowook. I also heard that JYJ are also good composers too bad they already left the company. Anyway, I hope that SM would truly invest on song writers and not just recycling songs because it looses the artists uniqueness when people discover that its just a cover. At least that’s what I feel, but I guess harcore fans wont care as long as they see their biases sing and dance on stage, youtube or else where.

    6 years ago
  134. I think a lot of it has to do with fans sentiment that these songs should originate from the artists that they love. As soon as a song gets discovered that it was performed by another artist, it becomes a cover. Fans hate it when other people accuse the artists of being a cover singer/band. I think it’s less about plagiarism, but more about fans’ pride. 

    6 years ago
  135. SM artists as far as i know,some of them do write their own songs and stuff.but i barely heard any compliments even from their fans let alone the company. Like, have u ever heard of how fans/company appreciating the DBSK’s boys talent in making song/composing when they’re 5 of them years ago? It’s rather a shame. and see how now the JYJ being recognized as musician/song-writer/composer? 

     Well, at least,unlike some other companies where their artists talent in making music, writing song being recognized by both company and their fans. anyhow, it’s not all necessary for the artist to write & create their very own music,but sometimes, company like SM, a multi-million dollar company should really thinking on investing into that area,like seriously..and i knew quite a bit that some of SNSD’s also trying into that area (composing,etc) . SM should give their artists chance and ensure the talents being appreciated.

    6 years ago
  136. I totally agree. As I said in my previous comment, idol-based KPop, for me at least, is crap music to begin with, and shouldn’t be over-analyzed, nor taken seriously.

    Just take it at face value and have fun listening to it.

    6 years ago
  137. Is it any better that Big Bang sample American artists like Jennifer Lopez or Son Dam Bi remixes a Kylie Minogue song?

    At least SMent is PAYING for the songs they use. I’m not so sure about other companies and artists. 

    6 years ago
    • You have to ask the original artist permission *and pay royalities to sample their music

      4 years ago
    • that’s true but i think most music is based of some other song. Listening to music tends give people inspiration to write something similiar to it

      5 years ago
  138. I agree with you. They deserve more than just passed on songs. Funny thing is that SM doesn’t need to hire anybody cause they have damn good producers(=songwriters) who wrote hit songs like Rising Sun, U, Mirotic, Nu ABO, Sorry Sorry and Lucifer. I don’t understand why they aren’t doing their job.

    6 years ago
  139. Haha! When you mentioned votes I kinda flashed back to Music Mondays too. Nice shirt btw Simon. *thumbs up*.
    Ok so on the topic of purchasing songs, I don’t mind it. Hey an entertainment company’s job is to entertain. I feel that they do that. As long as they give the proper credit where it is due, I don’t feel there is an issue.

    6 years ago
  140. I agree with the devil here.
    I feel AWFUL for the other artists everytime I check an original version of a song and there are millions of comments like ‘I prefer ____’s version’, ‘Ew, ___ does this way better’.

    6 years ago
  141. To me, as long as I like the song, it doesn’t matter if the
    song was already done by another artist or is an original song. As long as you
    like it, it shouldn’t matter. Nowadays, it is hard to find popular foreign
    artists, be it Asian, European, or American; who sing songs that mean something
    to them. Lately it’s been all about putting out song after song to appease the
    masses and make more money. When it comes down to it, money is the biggest
    issue. It doesn’t matter to them if the song is original or remake, just as
    long as it makes them money. Not the artist but the company that produces the
    artist. I got into Asian music through Jpop, mostly Hello Project. I can say
    that majority of their songs, though mostly original, hold no emotion for the
    artists. In this generation you have to find artists who are not very well
    known, or have not been signed by a company to find music that has true
    meaning. As for the wars on artists with people liking a remake of a song and
    people liking the original song, it’s kind of a pointless argument. Some people
    will like the original, some will like the remake, and some will like both.
    What people need to realize, and what it comes down to, is that not everyone
    likes the same thing. It’s all a matter of taste and opinion. Though as long as
    there are remakes of songs this whole stupid war on artists will continue. All
    in all, it comes back to your own personal opinion. Some people like the
    remakes, some don’t and people just have to realize that. And honestly, as long
    as a company has money to buy songs off other artists, things like this will
    continue to happen. We just need to accept it. 

    6 years ago
  142. in my opinion, I think buying songs are better than
    plagiarized song. If the songs have been bought from the song writer
    even if it was used buy other artist but as long as the company get the
    song legally, I don’t see anything wrong to use that song.

    And if the company hired the song writers to write the song
    “Originally For the K-Pop Artist”, how do we know that the song wasn’t
    plagiarized? (See Lee Hyori’s last album as the example)

    For me, I concern only how good that they can perform and how good that the sing the song and the song wasn’t plagiarized from other artist, because even if the song is not fresh but the emotion of the artist in every single performance is real. I think I’d be happy with that.

    6 years ago
  143. It’s not like SM Artists don’t write their own songs … many of them do. It’s just that it’s ridiculously hard for them to please SME enough to make their lyrics into a song. Onew tried may times before his song “The Name I Loved” was created. :/ 
    it’s a bit sad ~

    6 years ago
  144. Those boy bands girl bands in Korea are sort of puppets. They are given songs, given conceptualized images, and trained how to dance and sing.
    I don’t think there’s any point discussing puppets’ musicality- just enjoy the show.There are better musicians in Korea who are actually in control of their own music. It’ll be much more productive thinking about them instead.

    6 years ago
    • Singing and dancing (especially singing *while* dancing) is not easy. It annoys the pants off me when people say that anybody can do it, because guess what – they can’t!!

      4 years ago
    • The fact is they dance on their own and sing on their own and do it well (most of them).  It’s not as though they have no talent because they don’t write the songs or compose the music.  Most artists don’t – in Korea or out of Korea.  It’s only more evident with Kpop.

      6 years ago
    • The fact is they dance on their own and sing on their own and do it well (most of them).  It’s not as though they have no talent because they don’t write the songs or compose the music.  Most artists don’t – in Korea or out of Korea.  It’s only more evident with Kpop.

      6 years ago
    • Still, they are talented, most of them really have the talent, even if they don’t make their own music, just having the ability to dance really well and do a 2 hour concert while dancing exhausting choreographies and singing it’s quite difficult and not everyone can do that. Musicians who make their own music have talent too, but I don’t see them dancing so greatly and singing at the same time.

      6 years ago
  145. hahaha omg i love the pie-shirt xD

    6 years ago