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Ok, so this isn’t something that we’re used to doing, but we felt compelled to do a short video about this. Yesterday, when we did our review of f(x)’s “Hot Summer” we stated, in the video, that we’d discuss this issue at another time. This is the other time. Here’s what we think about SM Entertainment buying other songs and repackaging them as their own.

We’ve been thinking about this whole SM Entertainment buying other people’s songs bit for a while, and we don’t think it’s simple enough for us to pick a side so quickly, because there seems to be a lot of issues in play. SM hasn’t done anything illegal. They bought the rights to all of their songs. And so, we think that it’s not fair that, in the comments that we’ve been reading on YouTube and other sites, that people think of SM as some monsters. They’re an entertainment company, and they’re doing their best to get their Kpop artists to sing and dance to the best songs possible. They’re not breaking any laws or stealing any songs. They’re doing everything legally as far as we know. So let’s throw the plagiarism claims out the window.

The question that some people are asking is then why don’t they write their own songs, or hire songwriters? You don’t hear this from YG Entertainment, or from JYP or Cube Entertainment, do you? If it does happen, it’s not quite as often as you hear with SM. Hot Summer was by Monrose. Danger was by Kristine Elezaj. SNSD’s Run Devil Run was originally sung as a tester by KE$HA.

Yes, we know those last two were demos. They weren’t fully released songs and weren’t claimed by either KE$HA or Kristine Elezaj.

But what does that mean, fully released? Are they not out there on the internet? Are people not listening to them? Just because they didn’t go through the full process of being super produced and released to the masses in album format and sung in their concerts, that doesn’t negate the fact that these are still songs sung by other people before they were sung by SM artists. That’s what we find a bit awkward. Is it just us, or aren’t songs supposed to represent how a musician feels? Like, these are my thoughts and emotions, and I’m going to express them in song. If you find out that the artist bought that song from someone else, it takes away from the feeling of sincerity, or genuineness. Or is this just naive of us?

Here is where we have to raise a sad point: SM is an entertainment company, not a traditional music artist company. There’s a difference. They’re a multinational million dollar company that has a huge staff of people on hand, all working closely with kpop idols to entertain the hell out of you. If you’re looking for a band that got together and started singing songs in their basement, then evolved into a group that makes groundbreaking music as an artform, then you’re looking into the wrong genre with Kpop. But if you want to be entertained, if you want to dance and sing along, then SM’s doing a great job. They’re the Hollywood of Asian music. And don’t for one second think the process is that much different in American or European pop.

That might have sounded terrible, and so we want to add something to it: thanks to Kpop, our idea of music artistry is evolving. Songs aren’t made from the ground up by one artist or a small band when it comes to Kpop, but there is a different level of artistry in play here. The dancing is definitely a part of the artform. The performances are definitely a part of the art form. Live music is really a forgotten art amongst some groups: we’ve been to concerts before from artists whose songs we loved, but whose on-stage performances were abysmal. Shouldn’t that matter? Shouldn’t that count? Good luck finding people that can sing and dance as well as SHINee, and – on top of that – sing WHILE dancing so well. The hours kpop artists put into their performances is staggering, and to dismiss them altogether because they didn’t write the words to their song is kinda unfair.

So let’s toss this argument out with the plagiarism argument: Kpop artists are immensely talented people, and though they may not fit the traditional idea of musicians, they’re taking music artistry to a different level, and focusing on different aspects of music than what we’re traditionally used to.

Long story short, we can’t say that SM is doing anything wrong, but we can’t say that we fully agree with it, either. We wish they made their own music instead, and – from the looks of it from all the raging YouTube comments – it seems like a lot of people agree with us here. And this seems like an obvious point: nobody would complain if SM made wholly original songs, while a lot of people disagree with SM buying other people’s songs. SM has the money for it: pony up and start making original songs already!

This by no means was meant to be a factual scientific analysis of Kpop and of SM’s song buying tendencies. We’re just expressing our opinions here on what we’ve seen. If you’ve got something you’d like to add to the discussion, we encourage you to do so. On a related note, feel free to know that if you leave any belligerent comments, we retain the right to delete them in hopes of keeping a civil conversation going.

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  1. If you really want to look at things from a traditional standpoint, composers and performers have been separate roles for a long time. I’m going to be limiting this to classical music for now. Because I can. Yes I know this is Eurocentric. Deal with it. (I’m SORRY!!! >.<)

    A composer of a symphony probably doesn't know how to play every instrument, but at least has an idea of what he or she wants each section to do for a piece of music. Granted, composers needed to know how to play some instruments to an extent, to help them flesh out their ideas into real music, but the technique and flare to bring it to life is mostly on the performer. This isn't just limited to the kinds of music requiring multiple instruments, but the kinds of music where only one instrument is needed or focused on. (Sonatas, concertos, etc.) Composing and performing are just separate art forms, and while we grew up hearing about the greats, like Beethoven and Mozart, most of us aren't provided with the context that not only is it impressive that they are such talented performers, but that being so amazing both as a composer AND a performer is a rare thing. It takes a lot just to get one right! That's where we get stories like how Beethoven dismissed the cellists complaints of there being too many notes, ("There are NOT too many notes, THEIR FINGERS AREN'T FAST ENOUGH!!!"), and Tchaikovsky fighting with his violinist friend about his violin concertos being too hard. And let's not forget that one symphony by Brahmas which has NEVER been played as quickly as the composer has indicated it should be. Regardless, performers and the music would feed off of each other, and the greater the soul and talent, the greater the effect. Just like an amazing actor in a great role. So from this perspective, SM buying other peoples songs is fine. Buying songs could be a way of supporting the music community, allowing people to write songs for a living.

    Then why does it feel so greasy and grotesquely commercial when SM does it? Well, a few hundred years after Mozart's smarmy smirk, music that are much simpler and shorter popularized. Part of its appeal is its accessibility not only to listeners, but also people who aspire to become song writers. (And before ninjas are sent after me, no, I'm not saying Classical music is BETTER. There are just less barriers to becoming a classical composer verses a songwriter, as we understand it today.) Throughout this process, people became more and more concerned with the message, or the concept in art, rather than the technique or craftsmanship. This isn't just in music, but in architecture and art, and a whole slew of other things. How many writers today not only tell a good story, but is a wordsman, too? A lot of this has to do with wanting art to evoke FEELING. In music, this often translated to a 'heart-to-heart' format, where listeners revel in how raw or sincere the song sounds. When things click, audiences often feel a connection with the song, and through it, the artists themselves. Part of entertainment industries' technique of cashing in on this is creating and further encouraging a kind of virtual-personal link between the idols they're pushing out and the audience. (Which, in turn, helps create psychopaths. Seriously, isn't it better to help these people get their heads checked, rather than ban idols from dating?)

    In the context that music today is about a heart felt connection between the artist and the audience and keeping in mind SM's practices (in particular, the lack of control most of their artists have over their music, dress, hair, and even their pubic persona), AND the vast amount of resources at their disposal, yeah, they should a) hire writers, and b) help their musicians develop as creators, too. SM buying songs isn't problematic in and of itself, but coupled with the whole structure that they created for themselves, it just makes the connection audiences may feel with these artist feel fake and cheap. Like instead of having connected with real people, they've fallen prey to the trap of a capitalist fart machine.

    On the other hand, if the song writers were part of the production process, similar to the way Beethoven was part of the rehearsal process, it would feel much more like a collaboration, and less plastic auto-tune. Or at least let the artists do their own thing with the song – let them tell the story in their own way.

  2. The writer, be it the artist or not, is the one who is composing the message in the language of music. If you like it, you listen to it. If you don’t, you don’t. If an artist forms an emotional connection to the piece they are performing, especially if the producer is good enough to get into what the artist is doing and craft the arrangement around them, it becomes there’s. It really doesn’t matter from and end-of-the-process vantage point who actually wrote the song. What matters is the delivery and the emotional impact it has on the listener.
    IMHO the only one who truly owns a song is the person who writes it. Everyone else, artists and fans alike, are simply adopting it and making it a small part of the soundtrack of their careers or lives.
    …and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that at all ;)

  3. People are actually complaining and calling them plagiarists? They bought the legal rights to these songs. Songwriters wrote them, and shopped them around to North American artists first. Those artists recorded demos (to see if the songs would sound good sung by them), that the labels could listen to and judge. Obviously those artists never released the songs. And the artists didn’t write them, either, so they have no say on whether or not someone else sings them. Most pop artists don’t write their own stuff. That applies to North American ones and K-Pop ones. Some do, but the majority don’t. Or they co-write them at most. It’s nothing new, and should not be surprising. SM Entertainment has done nothing wrong. At all. They are within the legal rights, have not violated anything, etc. The only thing that surprised me was that they are a Korean music entertainment company purchasing songs originally meant for North American audiences. I knew songs got shopped around different labels and artists here in North American, but wasn’t aware that Asian markets were also purchasing them.

  4. Singer/songwriters are rare hence the increased cred. Everyone else hires songwriters to collab with, buys ‘beats’ and ‘hooks’ to construct a song around or out and out buys the rights to completed songs.

  5. I’m honestly kind of grateful that SOMEONE’s using these “testers.” For example, I really, really like “Run, Devil, Run.” If SM hadn’t bought it and had SNSD record it, I never would have heard it, and it’s one of my favorite songs! I find myself slipping into singing it all the time (which is awkward, seeing as I don’t speak Korean, so a lot of the lyrics are just “ha somethin’ somethin’ somethin’ somethin’ ha sa).

  6. How am I just seeing this now

  7. Don’t forget SJ’s Boom Boom is from Ray Lavender’s Reverse.

  8. I honestly don’t care if their bougth their songs or they hired a songwriter to write them. It would be different if the bands actually wrote the songs. Otherwise it’s the same thing.
    And I don’t think that SM is bying songs because they find it easier. Most of the song they bought are not singles or hits, they are demos or songs not fully known. Maybe it lessens the time ones spent on creating it, but in that I don’t see wrong either.
    All in all if Kpop idols were writing songs in general than I would say SM is lazy and no good. But as we know idols writing songs are not that often, I can only think of GD, maybe Boa(?). So it doesn’t matter, one way or another the groups don’t sing their own song.

  9. it’s simple…buying songs from others and make it on your own…two big different things…in this case YG Ent and JYP Ent and maybe CUBE Ent are more better..:-)

  10. I WANT YOUR T-SHIRT!!!!!!!!

  11. http://youtu.be/5oFLW9hmW0Q here the song that you say its a demo. civil conversation you say?  well i know better.  like Kasha  you say no other but 1:57 exists well 3:38 exists.  

  12. http://vimeo.com/1783813 LINK to Original vedio released BY Kristine elezaj team BUZZ music video. how do they get unknow test from buzz or is that Korean saying demo is a lie.

  13. LINK to Original vedio released BY Kristine elezaj team BUZZ music video. how do they get unknow test from buzz or is that Korean saying demo is a lie.

  14. sme did buy song from Kristine. its there job to makeit their own??? Who add UNKOWN TEST to title when the Original has buzz/music on it http://vimeo.com/1783813 Kristine elezaj BUZZ vedio RAZOR known test/ ( ripping a girl shame on you fx SME).

  15. http://vimeo.com/1783813 Kristine elezaj BUZZ vedio RAZOR known test/ ( copy nation ripping a girl shame on you fx SME).

  16. http://vimeo.com/1783813 Kristine elezaj BUZZ vedio RAZOR known test/ ( ripping a girl shame on you fx SME). who posted unknown test??

  17. Watch KRISTINE ELEZAJ BUZZ/MUSIC VIDEO DIR JOE CAP LOST NOT FOUND PRODUCTIONS on Vimeo!http://vimeo.com/1783813

  18. Watch KRISTINE ELEZAJ BUZZ/MUSIC VIDEO DIR JOE CAP LOST NOT FOUND PRODUCTIONS on Vimeo!http://vimeo.com/1783813 the Original vedio Razor as it was released > where does unknow test come from?

  19. SM does actually have resident writers like Kenzie and Kangta, who write some damn good stuff

  20. Well, I listen to the music not to feel artistry or whatever but to entertaing myself. So I don’t really care who sings whose song as long as it is legal.

  21. WOW NO post ? i will up date now to May 15 chat soon 

  22. hi i dont see my comment ?  so you dont want me to post  the truth about razor as i see it 
    Ok i will UP loud full song that all the artical  say those not existist>  and you know it those how will K-pop fans fill about all the artictcal miss informing fans lying to fans labeling them >
    hens lying nation, copy nation  as well    song that does not exist will up loud on may 16. SMe

  23. wow where my post? calm down. DC gallery I think is a Korean internet forum. And what the sentence is saying is that DC contacted Kristine’s fans to see if they believe if Alex Cantrall really sold the song to SM & I guess they confirmed it to be true. the people who started up this controversy was korean netizen anyways I think. Geez, go fucking google this yourself if you’re so curious. All i wrote was “if they bought the rights at least they didn’t plagiarize it” I wrote IF. I was trying to be optimistic. geezxtinaaasaur 

  24. wow where did my last comment GO?    chi OH i posted an answer on face book with a pic of CD with full version of Razor 

  25. wow where did my last comment GO?    chi OH i posted an answer on face book with a pic of CD with full version of Razor 

  26. why was my last momment removed ?     you know that Kristine elezaj was ripped off by SM 
    who Dc gallery  ???      

  27. I guss it its all true then if DC Gallery states so WHO is DC gallery??? your stated that == ” The DC Gallery representatives also contacted the fans of Kristine Elezaj, who also confirmed the previously stated points to be true. ” WHAT ? they contacted the FANS to confirm WHAT are you thinking . – ___ -zeff59 in reply to xtinaaasaur

  28. is this the song you are taking about eat my kichee  KRISTINE ELEZAJ BUZZ/MUSIC VIDEO DIR JOE…

  29. That is an awesome t-shirt!

  30. As someone from the UK, I remember watching Super Junior ’05 – Twins and thought, this song is not original and was originally released by a group Triple 8 in 2003. ELFS were bashing the original of the song and were denying that SuJu would ever copy a song. I think netizens in general are quick to bash anyone other than Kpop artists when sampling or covering their kpop artist’s songs then to ever acknowledge that their groups do the same.  

  31. So let’s throw the plagiarism claims out the window. YOU say why? YOU know somtihing tell US.   I found that 99.9 % of all roomers are TRUE why is this diffrent?   just one point
    “Danger was by Kristine Elezaj. SNSD’s Run Devil Run was originally sung as a tester by KE$HA.”   note how you state about Kasha R D R was Original TESTER.   but you say danger BY  Kristine Elezaj U don’t say its a demo or a tester ?why not label as well?    as all lies they breack down  ITS RAZOR by Kristine you miss leading the the fans.  and helping cover Sm’s under handednes what do you say.   i hope i have been civil thank you wait for comen back thx. z

    • Some artists release songs, but those songs weren’t written by them, so legally other artists can cover those same songs years later in the future (so long as the songwriter and label allows it). So it doesn’t HAVE to be called a demo or tester in order for it to be given to another artist later down the road. You are the one not making any sense! For example, JoJo released a song called “A Note to God”. But she did not write it. So another artist, Charice Pempengco, released her own version of the exact same song a few years later. There were no legal issues because the actual songwriters and music labels had no legal issues and allowed it.

  32. so now you say ”
    Yes, we know those last two were demos. who are speeck of who WE? YOU and ___. They weren’t fully released songs  ( ok how released are they ?  )and weren’t claimed by either KE$HA or Kristine Elezaj. (sorry cant speeck for Kasha But Kristine song is not a demo )  they weren’t t fully releast? but it is released as you side razor was released in 2009 under name Kristineelezaj buzz video.  not as Kristine elezaj unknown test as SM /fx posted right.??  did alex tell Sm that kristine paid HIM as you seem to know about the song razor?  pleas tell us  i wait for response thank you.  

    Dont miss repsent that issue its NOT about asian artists they are amazing.  and hard working  its about SM ripping  off Kristine its not about Kasha run devil run  or any other song its only about RAZOR = alex and Sm riping off>…..  your PR work is noted.  and dee faming the Korean people.  

  33. According to a DC Gallery, “Pinocchio” was neither a remake nor a plagiarized song. Through their research, they’ve discovered that:

    1. Kristine Elezaj recorded what would’ve been her title song as a demo. its is her song

    2. Kristine Elezaj is an Albanian woman who is currently working as a solo singer in America.
    Not true she was born in US and  is NOT an Albanian.   SM lies.

    3. To promote her debut, the debut song “Razor” was used as the background music for that promotional video. 
    Yes, it was SM Hans released to the world.  But as you state if a demo it’s no finished Hans Alex never finished the song for her.  Hans never filled his contract. Hans alex illegal sold and sm. bought song knowing facts illegally released song.
     Without Kristine  Elezaj pro-mission.
     
    4. The video shows the dance practices and photoshoot session, which happened before her debut. 
    An  Are we blind SM.   SM did the song add its self to Kristineelezaj buzz video or did Kristine add it intentionally add it? 

    5. The video title included “Unknown Test,” which literally means “Unrevealed/Unpublicized Test” 
    not true  Sm copied video illegally and add-it wordage. is that not miss leading to the fans?Or  lying. 
    ah #5 is the true lie  look up “Kristine elezaj BUZZ video” you will see there how SM is using PR >   unknown test it’s not on the video.    control what fans see and here SM addis unknown test knowing it’s her song but they had to have it  shame on them.  shame on all that support lies and ripping off of indie artist.   

    SUPPORT Kristine Elezaj Music do the right thing as all would want to be done for them.

    SM ENT RIPPED HER OFF SHAME ON THEM SHAME ON ON ALL THAT SUPPORT LIES.

  34. According to a DC Gallery, “Pinocchio” was neither a remake nor a plagiarized song. Through their research, they’ve discovered that:1. Kristine Elezaj recorded what would’ve been her title song as a demo.2. Kristine Elezaj is an Albanian woman who is currently working as a solo singer in America.3. To promote her debut, the debut song “Razor” was used as the background music for that promotional video.4. The video shows the dance practices and photoshoot session, which happened before her debut.5. The video title included “Unknown Test,” which literally means “Unrevealed/Unpublicized Test”lies 

  35. Just as matter of fact Razor by Kristine elezaj was not a demo .   SM new it was Kristine song a indie artist.  Sm help alex rip her off having the Pr machine as we see above by your statement shame on you.    I have ask numbers time who is DC Gallery do you know?
    Dc gallery have all info on Kristine history link. 
    F(X) Song Pinocchio Plagiarism Kristine Elezaj “Razor”?they State she is Albania wrong
    they state razor is demo wrong 
    They state management chose but daunt state Kristine chose because they can’t  alex and fink helped to rip her off>  who is mrs Fink  SM knows.

  36. It is not such a big deal when artist’s don’t write their own music, but it bothers me a lot.  I may be a bit biased because I have grown up with musicians, but I stand by my opinion that while a LOT of K-pop artists have incredible voices as well as other phenomenal musical talents, creativity, originality, and writing are all part of being a musician.  Otherwise, in my opinion, all they are are cover artists relying on looks more than anything.  :/

    As far as live performances go, SM Entertainment artists have room to improve by a long shot.  Plenty of musicians do spectacular live performances, including singing and dancing, playing instruments while moving around, etc.  That is part of the raw talent that makes a musician a musician:  being able to do in person and reality what we see after editing and electronic aid.  Maybe I seem harsh, but I believe there is no excuse for a musician’s live performance to be a let down.

    • I agree, they are not musicians. Musicians can play instruments, and they write and perform their own songs. K-pop artists are dancers and singers who sing songs that are simply given to them. Same goes for many of North America’s pop stars; Rihanna, Celine Dion, Avril Lavigne, Kelly Clarkson, etc. With the exception of some, like Gaga, who do write their own stuff and can play piano, guitar, etc. I don’t consider those people artists/musicians. They are singers and performers. I think there are a lot of people who get the two confused. I also do not ever understand the term “boy band”. A band is a group of musicians who write their own music, and play instruments. Boy Bands do not do any of that. They dance and sing, and have their songs written for them. Boy Group is more accurate.

  37. This bothers me if a music group can’t write and produce their own music and forever taking other people ideas.  Its ok to share creativity but when music artist and companies do that, all the music starts sounding the same. Its annoying when that happens.

  38. Just to remind folks, SM does have songwriters on staff like Yu Yung-jin and Kenzie. If SM buys a track from outside, it’s more likely to become a single or anchor song, mostly for economic reasons. However, in almost all cases most of the English lyrics get chucked and someone at SM writes new ones, sometimes keeping the song title in them, but not always: “Genie” was a complete lyrical rewrite. Sometimes, an anchor song is still completely done in house: “Oh!” and “Ring Ding Dong” come to mind, and I don’t think Super Junior has used overseas tracks since “TWINS (Knock-out)”; certainly “Miina (Bonamana)” was done in-house. Martina also makes a salient point: for decades in America, pop singers sang other people’s songs; this was something the Brill Building in Manhattan, NYC was famous for in the ’50s and ’60s, and Tin Pan Alley before that (Elvis generally sang other people’s songs, starting with Lieber and Stoller, and working with Mac Davis towards the end); the performers made it their own (again, Elvis, but also Frank Sinatra doing Cole Porter’s “Under My Skin” to name just one example). SM is doing something similar here: taking outside-written music and integrating into an entire package that simple couldn’t come from anywhere else or be done by anyone else, and making it work like nobody’s business. It’s simply what they do.

  39. haahaha, i just love your shirt…!!! r square pie…!!! like U-Kiss song 0330 hahaha, I want one O.O

  40. SM also bought ‘Holla’ which was produced by J.Cates (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt1yx4ou-7Q) and remade it into SHINee’s ‘Hello’

  41. I really love your T-shirt here Simon!!
    It was the only thing that I could focus…  R Square Pie

  42. I really love your T-shirt here Simon!!
    It was the only thing that I could focus…  R Square Pie

  43. I really love your T-shirt here Simon!!
    It was the only thing that I could focus…  R Square Pie

  44. I think it’s worth pointing out that this isn’t exactly a new development in the history of pop music, nor is it only done in Korea. You probably didn’t know it, but Sweden has consistently produced the best music makers around. The country spawns talented producers, songwriters and composers responsible for pop stars like Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez and Beyoncé. A recent write up in the Guardian might give you some insight into what’s going on - http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/apr/20/k-pop-sweden-pelle-lidell

    • MAX MARTIN. I do know about him. I’m surprised more people don’t. He has written MANY of the songs that we know as hits on the radio, since we were young. Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Katy Perry, Pink, Kelly Clarkson, Rihanna…the list seems ENDLESS. And that is also why so many of the songs on the radio “sound the same”. Because technically, they basically are, because they are all written by the same people and follow the same types of pop song formulas.

  45. shinee’s juliette is corbin bleu’s deal with it.
    shinee’s forever or never is cinema bizarre’s forever or never.
    dbsk’s mirotic is under your skin by some european artist.

  46. Listen to “Panty Droppa” by Trey Songz then “Before U Go” by DBSK.

  47. I agree. Can I just point out that  SNSD’s Chocolate Love was originally Sweet Dreams My LA Ex by Rachel Stevens?

  48. I’m a blazing traditionalist, so i really prefer that artists make their own stuff, otherwise they shouldn’t really be called artists. So BigBang and JYP himself and the Brave Brothers, for example, I’d call artists. Not making your own songs sort of takes the heart out of the music and turns it into a business. However I should also accept the fact that music is an industry. So I wouldn’t really call the bands/groups from SM, artists, but I think they’re amazing performers/entertainers.

  49. I’m a blazing traditionalist, so i really prefer that artists make their own stuff, otherwise they shouldn’t really be called artists. So BigBang and JYP himself and the Brave Brothers, for example, I’d call artists. Not making your own songs sort of takes the heart out of the music and turns it into a business. However I should also accept the fact that music is an industry. So I wouldn’t really call the bands/groups from SM, artists, but I think they’re amazing performers/entertainers.

  50. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  51. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  52. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  53. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  54. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  55. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  56. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  57. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  58. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  59. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  60. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  61. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  62. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  63. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  64. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  65. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  66. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  67. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  68. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  69. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  70. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  71. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  72. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  73. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  74. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  75. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  76. personally, i don’t see what’s the big deal. ALL the points martina angel made are spot on, and the devil’s just speaking rubbish. composers making songs specifically for an artist? EXTREMELY RARE. songs are frequently revived, singers/bands doing covers ALL the time. composers sell there songs to the highest bidder, they have to eat too, you know.

    losing their sincerity? pffft.  all artists/singers need to make you believe that these songs ARE made especially for them, and that’s talent.  that’s why they do these for a living.

  77. There’s also “deal with it” by Corbin Bleu which became Juliette by ShinEE! xD Anyway, I like a lot kpop and all of those artists are surely talented but they’re quite like mannequins. For example SNSD acting all cute and everything, it’s of course ACTING! I saw them in the everyday life and the only one who’s been quite nice is Jessica. Sunny who tries to look cute on tv has been quite rude that time and Yoona has been even worse, she looked at the fans (there were only like 3 or 4) like she were looking at a bunch of monsters, I didn’t like this at all.
    LoL ok this has nothing to do with the topic! XD Sorry! I’d have prefered if they wrote their own lyrics but until it’s just entertainment then it’s ok, actually it’s really good! XD
    (sorry for my english o.o)

  78. Personally, it doesn’t bother me too much. Because the song is remade into a new sound and it’s that new sound that I like. I’m still listening, because they’re still good songs. 

  79. simon’s face is prettier then that

  80. Firstly I didn’t know that “Run devil run” and “Danger” were someone else songs O.o I only new about “Hot  Summer” because it was quite popular song in my country. I was dissappointed to hear it. SHINee song “Juliette” wasn’t their too. In my opinion k-pop bands don’t have to know how to write songs. There’s a lot of musicians who don’t know how to do this. But they should at least write lyrics or sth so that they could express themselves by it =) As you said other companies usually don’t do that kind of things… SM Entertaiment have all ability to create SHINee, F(x) etc. their unique style and oryginal music. I really like their songs, but I’m totally dissappointed because of the fact it’s other version of this song.

    • if it helps “Juliette” is written by Jonghyun(lyrics) while the music is from Corbin’s song  Deal with it(i don’t know if it was written by him or not but maybe not?)”

      Just wondering…are those original versions of songs written by the ones who sang them first??i mean if it was written by a composer and that composer sold it to SM…there’s not much of a difference really right??we just get two songs in two different languages.I don’t see any problem with that. 

  81. There was also a big thing back in 2008 when DBSK released “Mirotic”. It’s identical to a European (I believe she’s German) singer’s song. Sarah Conner – “Under My Skin”. Here’s a video of DBSK’s video with Sarah Conner’s vocals instead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuJG0dc61ag
    There was a huge internet debate going on about which one was plagiarized and all that jazz. Neither one of them were, they were both bought from the original composer and released, but it just shows SM has a long~ history of doing this. There is even a demo-type company/band called “Phrased Differently”. I know for sure that DBSK’s “Wrong Number” and Tohoshinki’s “Survivor” came from them.
    Now, I absolutely love DBSK, and I know that a lot of Tohoshinki’s songs were written by the members, so I’m not badmouthing SM.
    It’s just, from what I’ve noticed, I don’t think SM has been writing their own songs for quite some time.

    • Yes, I’ve heard of that controversy, it was a really big thing back in 2008…and, by the way, DBSK and Tohoshinki are the same band o-o

    • Haha, I know they’re the same band. *ridiculously huge TVXQ fan* But I was separating them like that because a lot of Tohoshinki’s songs, as in their Japanese songs, were written by the members. But DBSK, aka their Korean songs, were not. That’s the only reason I made the distinction.

    • It actually wasn’t a big debate in 2008 because it was already stated by the Danish song writer in Danish Elle that he sold the song to both TVXQ and Sarah Connor. TVXQ had the rights for Asia and Sarah got the rights for Europe. They recorded their song at the end of 2007 but Sarah released her version first. BTW, plagiarism only comes into play when the rights have not been bought and the original composer doesn’t get credit/paid for their intellectual property. That was not the case with this and hence people did not make a big deal about it.

  82. FINALLY some non-fangirl comments <3
    I think that SM artists deserve to have original songs because they work SO SO hard but the remakes of the songs are REALLY good xD
    I also believe that SM should just man up and start writing their own songs, they have enough song writers to be able to write them and many of their own artists write lyrics so that shouldn't be a problem. 
     

  83. *rant*

    I REALLY like SHINee, but for the “sing WHILE dancing so well” sentence I would’ve liked to have seen DB5K (just because they’re the first SME artists, imo, that handle both first instead of SHINee) ^^;/end rant

    • er whoa dude. get your facts right. dbsk was not the first SME artists. there was H.O.T., S.E.S. Black Wings, Kangta, etc. etc. and to be honest, if you think SHINee is good at dancing+singing, you will be blown away by H.O.T. 

  84. My biggest issue with songs that are remade has nothing to do with the song itself. It has to do with the viewer comments I’ll read on Youtube. I see people arguing over who sang the song better or why one version sounds better, and some people get really nasty. And its all so stupid! I mean, comparing Kesha with SNSD? How is that even possible? They have completely different styles and are nothing alike! And just saying that the one artist sucks or has no talent doesn’t help convince anyone. Obviously they must have some. And bringing in issues like ones nationality or racism doesn’t help things either. How does not liking the kpop version make someone stupid and racist? They just don’t like that style of music. Grr, its so frustrating, I could rant forever on this, but I won’t lol. 

  85. On the one hand, I don’t think it is that big of a deal that SM buys songs and remakes them. Its good business for them, because kpop is a business. As long as everything is done legally then it is ok. On the other, it would be nice to see more of the idols writing their own songs or more of their big hits being ones written for them specifically.
    In all honesty, a lot of the remakes I’ve seen mentioned in the comments are ones that I didn’t know were remakes. And for the ones that I knew about, it really only bugged me when I knew the English version. I heard Kesha’s version of ‘Run Devil Run’ first, so its hard for me to listen to SNSD’s version. Not because it is someone else singing it or even that I don’t tend to listen to SNSD, but because I can’t understand their lyrics and I already know the song in a form I do understand. And SHINee’s ‘Juliette’ is the hardest thing for me to listen to. SM bought the music for Corbin Bleu’s ‘Deal with It’ and turned it into SHINee’s song. The English parts of ‘Juliette’ don’t match ‘Deal with It.’ But when I listen to SHINee’s song, I don’t sing out Juliette, but deal with it. And then I end up singing the song in English (I used to be obsessed with Corbin Bleu so I know it by heart haha). 
    Its hard to listen to something in another language when you know it in yours. For example, in my Spanish class freshman year we watched Harry Potter, in Spanish. My friends and I spent the whole time saying English quotes or laughing at how weird it is seeing, I don’t know, Alan Rickman but not hearing him. I’d honestly rather have the version I know already. 

  86. On the one hand, I don’t think it is that big of a deal that SM buys songs and remakes them. Its good business for them, because kpop is a business. As long as everything is done legally then it is ok. On the other, it would be nice to see more of the idols writing their own songs or more of their big hits being ones written for them specifically.
    In all honesty, a lot of the remakes I’ve seen mentioned in the comments are ones that I didn’t know were remakes. And for the ones that I knew about, it really only bugged me when I knew the English version. I heard Kesha’s version of ‘Run Devil Run’ first, so its hard for me to listen to SNSD’s version. Not because it is someone else singing it or even that I don’t tend to listen to SNSD, but because I can’t understand their lyrics and I already know the song in a form I do understand. And SHINee’s ‘Juliette’ is the hardest thing for me to listen to. SM bought the music for Corbin Bleu’s ‘Deal with It’ and turned it into SHINee’s song. The English parts of ‘Juliette’ don’t match ‘Deal with It.’ But when I listen to SHINee’s song, I don’t sing out Juliette, but deal with it. And then I end up singing the song in English (I used to be obsessed with Corbin Bleu so I know it by heart haha). 
    Its hard to listen to something in another language when you know it in yours. For example, in my Spanish class freshman year we watched Harry Potter, in Spanish. My friends and I spent the whole time saying English quotes or laughing at how weird it is seeing, I don’t know, Alan Rickman but not hearing him. I’d honestly rather have the version I know already. 

  87. well honestly, remaking or repackaging or reversioning(word) english songs to kpop songs isn’t bad at all for starters, i mean, yeah Martina was right, atleast they make an effort on the choreo and for other stuff, that is how the industry works, as long as it appeals to people whether it’s original or  NOT original (but bought legally) it doesn’t matter to them. They make money out of it. I’m not trying to defend SMENT but it’s not only them who does it~ other industries too and and also not only on KPOP, other music industry on other countries also do the same thing ONE HELL OF A BIG EXAMPLE is my country, PHILIPPINES. so for me it’s normal already. and also one more thing, not everything on their album is a remake, some of it are original too, so we can not say, SMENT doesn’t have an over all originality… so peace! just my opinion… 

    hope u guys can read this~ ^^

    • I agree with you.lol some comments just make it seem like the artists don’t get any original songs when they do. it just happens that SM tend to use the remake ones as a single and as a main track that’s why all the attentions are on that particular song and we tend to forget that some of the songs are not remakes.

  88. “SNSD’s Run Devil Run was originally sung as a tester by KE$HA.”LoL… it really sounds like SNSD are taking the leftovers from a famous artist who thinks it’s not really a good song =P…

  89. I just found out recently that the one behind most of the songs SMTown happen to remake, is actually danish producer, composer and songwiter Remee =)
    The list is long, but some of the songs are BoA’s “Eat you up”, DBSK’s “Mirotic”, Super Juniors “Monster”,..and I guess Shinee’s producer must love him since “Love Like Oxygen”, “Juliette”, and even “Hello” is his work too heheh,..guess he just likes to sell the same song multiple times =P

    Oh and btw, as for f(x) hot summer, also one of his ^_^

    teehee

  90. I think it’s totally ok for me, I don’t really care about hot summer is original from any other songs. Actually, a Taiwanese singer Jolin Tsai蔡依林 was also sung this song before(in 2009, and but her version is “hot winter”) And I love all of these three version (Monrose, Jolin and f(x)), all the three version have it’s own special part.

  91. I think it’s totally ok for me, I don’t really care about hot summer is original from any other songs. Actually, a Taiwanese singer Jolin Tsai蔡依林 was also sung this song before(in 2009, and but her version is “hot winter”) And I love all of these three version (Monrose, Jolin and f(x)), all the three version have it’s own special part.

  92. That’s the reason I hate SM Entertainment.

  93. haha on the evil side it was obvious that it was Martina’s song. ohmygosh, the two of you’s voices are already stuck in my head haha

  94. there’s also SHINee’s Juliette (original Deal With It by Corbin Bleu) and Ready or Not (bought from a Finaland company in early 2010, then Sean Kingston did the same song). But I think SHINee, SNSD and Super Junior don’t really have as many issues with bought songs as f(x). Both their 2011 have been bought and SM  has become lazy. As much as I love the SME family, they should really use original songwriters for ALL of their songs for more originality and less controversy….

  95. I kno tht this has nothing to do with anything…. but WHAT is tht stuff on simon’s left arm

  96. But there are SM artists who do write and compose (at least some of) their own music. They’re just not the most popular, so they get overlooked. A lot. ):

    Buying songs for pop artists/groups doesn’t really bother me because all the songs are so shallow half the time anyways. Catchy corny love songs, generic “zomg I’m so sad/lonely because we broke up,” songs, and even just generic “ya we osm” songs. Not that I hate that kind of song (I listen to them ffs), I just can’t imagine the artist feeling that much more of a connection to those sorts of songs if they wrote them themselves. The lyrics aren’t really ever personal, and especially once you consider a group dynamic, it becomes even less so.

    /2cents

  97. I have a great solution, stop listening to k-pop and support k-indie… the end.

  98. I’m a big fans of SHINee since they’re debut.
    but when “Juliette” released, and I know it’s a remake song, I kinda felt dissapoint.
    I hope in the next album, the songs are the original creations, but… 
    in the next album, they used remaked songs even more! 
    au au au~~ T_____________T 

  99. SME is known for legally buying music from around the world to diversify what they present as kpop. Other entertainment companies and composers that are working in the industry right now are talented, but there is a limit to the number of songs they compose. Many composers have a certain pattern or style they follow when writing songs, and after a while they start to sound similar. Take people from all the big hit songs: Brave Brothers, Yoo Youngjin, Teddy, JYP & E-Tribe to name a few. These group of big name composers have begun having what could be interpreted as a “signature sound” but to others it boils down to repetition and repetition is boring for many. (Take songs by JYP: heartbeat and i’ll be back and really, the patterns of the songs are duplicates, and if desired, someone could make a flawless mash up of the two lol)
    If the styles used are the same, then what attracts new listeners and keeps current listeners entertained? I think its good for companies to work with other people and get new music. Its not as if SM just picks songs at random, but instead they search the globe for songs that they like and have potential for their artists.

  100. Ah well, DBSK’s Mirotic was originally Sarah Connor’s Under My Skin. I sure wished they made their own songs too instead of buying songs esp from American countries. I mean, kpop is called kpop for a reason. If it comes from America then it certainly defeated its purpose, no?

    • agreed. same with when kpop tries to change its formatting to fit american tastes or uses entirely english lyrics .___.
      i guess the only reason itd be called kpop is cause the company is korean. (i mean there’s non-korean idols too now)

  101. Don’t you think it will be awesome when we hear original k-pop songs by other people in other countries?! I think this is been done in Latin America already….ooooh, “Love Song” in Spanish = “Odio esta canción romántica…”

  102. you forgot about juliette by SHINee…it was originally corbin bleu’s

  103. A demo is a demo.  I don’t get why people are bothered that the artists did a song because the demo leaked.  The Run Devil Run demo belongs to Kesha the same amount that this site belongs to me.  AKA it doesn’t.

    A demo is like a guide track that’s given to many hopeful artists that pretty much says “this is how we intended the song to sound and be sung.”  Kesha being picked for the demo does not make it hers in anyway.  Chances are is that she was friends with the producer and the person went “hey we need a vocal for this song we’d like to send out to market” and she agreed.  It’s actually fairly standard music business the only difference in the SM cases is that it’s not as “hush-hush” (for lack of a better word).

    Kpop seems to be the only genre in the world where something like this is even cared about.  Even SM’s original songs will have a demo made for them that isn’t by the final artist of the song.  The only problem is that those haven’t leaked.  We’re really expecting far too much from Kpop if we’re getting upset about things like this.

  104. I personally think its kind of unfair for f(x) to be given 2 non original songs in a row, especially with Hot Summer being a 4 year old track. I like Hot Summer but at the same time I don’t think it will be their biggest known hit as well as the fact that it is the song to promote a repackaged album.

    Lets not forget that SNSD’s “Tell Me Your Wish (Genie)” was created by a Norwegian company in which SME bought the rights to that and reworked it for korea. Now its basically THE song we all know Girls Generation by.I just love kpop really, haha

  105. It’s called innovation by acquisition and SME isn’t the only one to do this (as you stated). Even 2NE1′s new song “I’m the best” intro has the same beat from Major Lazor’s “Pon de floor”. Where YG purchases the services from people such as DIPLO as well…it’s business

    Either way I’m still entertained.

    • sampling songs is not the problem, 2ne1′s “has the same beat” but it’s not exactly the same, when Big Bang re-did “Sunset Glow” they added their own flair, and the song takes a whole different identity.
      The fact that Run Devil Run, Danger and Hot Summer are not edited to have the flavor of the artist or it’s own identity, is the problem most of have with SM or (any other company/artist for that matter) buying the songs and releasing them.

    • working with DIPLO is called COLLABORATION… NOT BUYING u-hu!

    • The thing is… When you’re a NON-KOREAN who listens to mainstream music you don’t care about the composer and and writer of the song, the only important to you is the singer of the song, name your international singers. Where as in Korea, as a musician they expect you to be all around and hands on to your music; that separates an Idol and a Musician in their industry. 
      So in short, we as Non-Koreans intend to be superficial in terms of listening to KPOP. As long as it is catchy, addicting, cute we buy it. But well not all, cause I’m not like that. :p

  106. Also, I’m not sure that the copying of songs matters so much to them. If you’ve ever read Michael Breen’s book “The Koreans” he mentions at one point that an attribute that many young Koreans graduating from high school lack is an ability to expound upon what they have learned because much of their education has focused on passing exams and memorization. According to Breen, this presents a problem when these students reach University, and have a tendency to rely upon the ideas of others as opposed to developing their own, thus plagiarism at the University level is quite common. I’m curious to know if this is true. From what I’ve read Breen’s book is considered to be a good source for an outsiders view of Korean culture, and is, or was, regarded by the Korean people to be a fairly accurate representation of themselves from an outside perspective. Please let me know if I am wrong here, but I think this might be a reason that SM buys songs, perhaps the originality of the idea is not important, but that is just a result of culture….???? 
    -sorry for the super long post-just curious, does anyone find this to be true at all???

    • It’s not completely wrong- Korean Uni students just work and work and work with textbooks, but don’t have much common sense on their behalf which actually becomes a handicap when it comes to applying for University.

  107. Well, to throw my two cents in there, I have a very good friend of mine who made a very good living writing hit songs, and he always has a notebook he carries around with songs in the making that he will scribble in when inspiration hits him. He doesn’t write them with the artist in mind, he writes them out of his own experiences, inspiration and thoughts. Then they get picked up by the appropriate artist. Tons TONS of songs aren’t written by someone the artist knows, they get tweaked and personalized by the band, sure, but you can’t tell me that all the little 15 year old girls who become pop stars know that much about the extreme heartbreak and love that they sing about sometimes, lol. Lots of songs are written by other people, people who just make a living writing songs, not singing them or performing them in any other way-they write them and then they get picked up by someone who thinks they fit the band, thinks it might make a hit song, thinks it will sell…..with no personal or life experiences of the band members in mind.

  108. Here is an interesting thing that I’ve recenltly heard from my Korean teacher “Artists that are under lebels like SME  are not singers they are ENTERTAINERS” so here we come to the difference between the “singer/artist” and “entertainer”. This is the most common thing in the entertaining industry not only in Korea but all around the world. There are quite few popular performers thet are fully responsible for their work, how many songs do you think Britney Spears or Rihanna composed (I know, I know, the industry is changing but there is still plenty of them)? I think that buying songs by SM is not determinatad by the fact that they don’t feel like hiring their own “cerative staff” but it’s a proof that they are professionals that serach for the best product on the market to satisfy the fans and competetive music industry. It’s not a problem to hire a bunch of people to make music for you, however it is an achievment to buy a song and make it popular, so people would identify it with a specyfic company/artist and not with an original author.

    • yeap what you said is true and i agree with the last 2 sentences.

      i mean OBVIOUSLY, SME is rich enough to hire songwriters, but buying a song and make it popular and much better (with awesome choreography!!!) than the original IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. okay and maybe anyone can make their own songs but we all have to admit that at the end of the day it’s the ratings and album sales that they are most concern about.

  109. I don’t mind it much. I mean not many artist write all of thier own songs so it’s not like SM is any different than other companies. Heck for some companies the artists don’t even get a say in anything they do either. To me people are just complaining and getting angry over nothing. Everywhere you look in the music industry there is something like this going on. Welcome to life people. Sorry but that’s just how it is. I don’t care whether one or a million other people have sung a song, I just might not like one or more versions. Every artist will throw thier own spin on a song and make it thier own. No point in crying over copied music. Hey, at least they didn’t actually steal it!

    • The thing is… When you’re a NON-KOREAN who listens to mainstream music you don’t care about the composer and and writer of the song, the only important to you is the singer of the song, name your international singers. Where as in Korea, as a musician they expect you to be all around and hands on to your music; that separates an Idol and a Musician in their industry. 
      So in short, we as Non-Koreans intend to be superficial in terms of listening to KPOP. As long as it is catchy, addicting, cute we buy it. But well not all, cause I’m not like that. :p

      • It’s the same way in North America. Artists who don’t write their own music get ridiculed all the time for not being “real” and are called untalented (like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, and Nicki Minaj, all of whom write their own music, are any more real than Selena Gomez or Justin Bieber), and even artists that do get accused of not writing the music. To me, the fuss is retarded; it doesn’t matter who wrote the lyrics, what matters is that they’re being sung. Being able to sing and/or dance is talent in and of itself, and I think we need to realize this.

  110. that makes 4 versions of the song. This is so frustrating
    1. f(x)
    2. Monrose
    3. Rhys
    4. Jolin Tsai
    i don’t get the appeal its not even that great of a song

  111. that makes 4 versions of the song. This is so frustrating
    1. f(x)
    2. Monrose
    3. Rhys
    4. Jolin Tsai
    i don’t get the appeal its not even that great of a song

  112. that makes 4 versions of the song. This is so frustrating
    1. f(x)
    2. Monrose
    3. Rhys
    4. Jolin Tsai
    i don’t get the appeal its not even that great of a song

  113. that makes 4 versions of the song. This is so frustrating
    1. f(x)
    2. Monrose
    3. Rhys
    4. Jolin Tsai
    i don’t get the appeal its not even that great of a song

  114. that makes 4 versions of the song. This is so frustrating
    1. f(x)
    2. Monrose
    3. Rhys
    4. Jolin Tsai
    i don’t get the appeal its not even that great of a song

  115. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

  116. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

  117. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

  118. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

  119. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

  120. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

  121. If they bought it I think its okay. But SM did that a lot resently. But its not only korean alot of chinese c-pop (?) artists proform “cover” songs as well. Even world stars, for xample Milow with his cover ayo technology.
    Its a bit like books and films made of books, you have to see them in a separat way, otherwise you will be definitely disappointed.
    so in my opinion, people should stop comparing (especially who did a better job!) and just enjoing the music! =)

  122. I honestly don’t mind remade songs tbh what SM does to the songs they buy usually makes them better
    i prefer Mirotic to Under My Skin, Danger to whateverthatsongwascalled, SNSD’s Run Devil Run but i also have to admit it does get annoying.

    I love f(x) but i cannot stand hot summer. I was in Germany when Monrose released it I am Australian and have experienced the runner up of So You Think You Can Dance also release his own version and i
    couldn’t enjoy the song as much as i would have if it wasn’t a remake.

    It also makes me think of Block B and G-dragon and how they are idols that write and produce their own songs and in my opinion they are better because of it. However i can’t say that for everyone *cough* 2pm.

    So all in all as long as the song is good and is legally bought go for it but I’m more likely to respect and appreciate the song if the artist wrote it themselves

    • well I don’t know if you heard all the songs that 2pm have written because their songs are good!! and half of the members are writing songs now so that’s really good compaired to groups like shinee

  123. Why is there such a debate even up for discussion? Shouldn’t it be if you like a song then Great! If you don’t Move on! The fact that songs may have been previously sung by another person or group doesn’t and shouldn’t affect you liking a song!
    I mean who goes
     “Wow I really loved SNSD’s song Run Devil Run but oh wait . . . what is this? Ke$a has sung this as well?! *outrage* Well now I hate SNSD’s version AND SMENT for recycling that song!”
    The most that could occur is you favoring one over the other and the occasional comparison of talent and what not.

    SM entertainment is really just trying to ENTERTAIN you (hence the name) obviously, instead of bashing them, we should salute them, for they have taken a song that may have been “discarded” by a previous artist and they turned it into a hit. That takes talent!

    and HEY! It’s definitely not just KPOP that does that, I mean Pitbull the artist as much as I love his songs, even he has used many other artists songs for several of his own.

    I also agree that they should put out original songs and they HAVE many times! It’s just we (myself included) like to dwell on the “bad.”

    People’s, let calm ourselves and return to discussing real things that matter . . . like who should Simon and Martina review on Music Mondays and what new segment they should introduce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    =D

  124. LOL at people tweeting about eatyoukimchi’s “RANTING” about SM buying songs.. It’s like calling their packs for a battle hahaha.

  125. SME has Yoo Young Jin. But now they buys songs more.

  126. Actually, I don’t complain of SM using other songs and giving them to their artists since they always do that song better and sm artists are also pretty good… 
    As I read in a comment before, and actually, ok it’s true… SM artists don’t really have time to write their own songs since they have to promote themselves, their music and everything since an artist that doesn’t promote him or herself is not known… not loved…
    Anyway, copying others songs may fail too since people who heard the original version (official or unofficial), when they hear the remake the most probable reaction will be like ”oh yeah, a korean copy!, I prefer the original one” and I’m saying this because i’ve heard and read comments about Wheesung with imsomnia, snsd with RunDevilRun, and with f(x)… Specially knowing that most people are more focused in USA’s productions rather in Asia, even more from countries where people only know Asia as a culture that is raising with countris like Japan or China but don’t really know their entertainment productions… 
    At this point, it would really be who make the song better and more catchy, cool or whatever…  better..
    In the other hand, I would prefer SM buy songs from composers or let artists make their own songs (if they want) giving a more original tone to their artists and that if they really want to be known internationally they do it with their own song, not a copy… i don’t really agree with SM giving to copy songs to F(x) that even though are good, they are still copies and after Danger, the secong copy is kind of disrespectful to f(x) because it is like their not giving apreciation to all the potential this girls have…But as I said in the beginning I don’t blame SM, I would like them to give original songs to their artists but copying, they don’t do it bad… It would be soooo sad if their copies were bad copies but their not…

  127. The amount of pressure that netizens put on these idols is truly incredible. Not only must they sing perfectly, dance perfectly, and look immaculate (naturally, of course, because plastic surgery is bad bad bad), they must write and produce all of their own music in order to be credible. I know the term “idol” seems to set the bar high for these poor kids but they are still human.

    There isn’t a single entertainment group in Korea – or the world, really – that is trying to sell artistry. This is why song writers exist. If we were to strip every single kpop group of their integrity for lacking originality, they’d all be frauds. That’s pop music. It’s fun and upbeat and trendy and it takes a truly talented entertainer to make it appealing because it rarely offers up anything that we haven’t seen or heard already. Just take it as it is and enjoy. Don’t expect something from these entertainment companies that they clearly are not advertising.

  128. I don’t see anything wrong with buying them. It sucks that F(x) is getting handed all of these songs and getting slammed by viewers for it. But what counts is the group makes it way better than the original people who sang it. As for ‘Run devil run’ I like both SNSD’s version and Ke$ha so its win win. I don’t wanna see F(x) getting bashed for this anymore so please write one original song? Their my favorite group in front of 2NE1 and Big Bang and I want them to stay there…

  129. “If you’re looking for a band that got together and started singing songs in their basement, then evolved into a group that makes groundbreaking music as an artform, then you’re looking into the wrong genre with Kpop.”

    I think the above quote epitomizes what I think about the issue. I came to K-pop, not looking for anything poignant or sincere in the songwriting or vocal work, but as someone who was looking for something easy to digest and entertaining. K-pop as a whole, no matter what agency is releasing the music, does that for me and does it very, very well. In my opinion, even better than most American pop artists nowadays. The issue of whether SME should write their own songs for their artists instead of buying them from elsewhere is kind of a moot point. Hiring songwriters to write songs just for that agency doesn’t make the music anymore valid than if they went out and bought it outside of the agency. They’re still paying money for material that the artists haven’t written themselves to perform.

    All the rage and anger about this seems like a lot of hot air venting. If you like the music and the artist, then do your best to support them. If you don’t, go elsewhere to find music that you do like and support that. Raise a ruckus if someone or some agency is doing something illegal and/or unjust. Raise a ruckus if your favorite artist is found to not actually be singing their songs. Anything else is just arms flailing in the nothingness.

    Last thought, I came to K-pop looking for something simply entertaining. To my surprise, I found a lot more natural talent in the arena than I had expected. Vocalists like Hyorin from SISTAR, everyone in 2AM, etc., just exploding with talent. Even behind the scenes with Brave Brothers and the like are amazing talents on the boards and deserve recognition. These people make the songs, wherever they come from, theirs. To me, that’s real talent.

  130. Not just SM does that. In Japan, DJ Ozma have been remaking a lot of Korea’s Koyote’s hits songs into even better and still hit songs. Elvis had an awful lots of songs that used to be someone else’s prior to his singing them and making them more popular… The Beatles and the Rolling Stones had their start covering popular blues and pop rock songs… Songs have a life of their own, too. A lot of Occidental artists release cover albums, too, as an hommage to the people who inspired them to start singing in the first place. I think that as long as copyright laws are respected and the songwriters receive their fair share of the profits made from the songs, then it’s all fair to everyone. In Canada, we even had Patsy Gallant turn Gilles Vigneault’s “Mon Pays” into a disco song called “From New York to L.A”…

  131. But SM DOES have in-house producers/songwriters. And SM DO write their own songs. Some of these songs are title tracks too! Its quite unfortunate that just because most of SM artists’ title tracks are bought, people judge them for not being original. Or insincere as you guys call it. 

    Buying songs and instrumentals is a NORM in the music industry all over the world. That’s how composers make money. And sometimes the composers like to distribute rights to more than just 1 artist. It isn’t SM’s fault that the songs they want to buy have already been covered by another artist before. If it’s catchy, they’ll buy it. Simple as that.The only reason this is such a big issue is because this is Kpop, and Kpop fans like to make an issue out of anything and everything.

    • people make excuses for their fav k-pop artists, how they don’t have time to “write” their own material. It’s a lot harder than it sounds to make a hit.

      fact of the matter is, many k-pop artists can’t even sing, let alone asking them to write a hit. And it’s okay to me, I don’t listen to k-pop as critical music, they’re just fun w/e type of song when i’m doing things and don’t pay attention to them.

      The negative of singer writing their own songs is that they’re generally limited to a “style”, people get bore easily, especially with pop music, it won’t sell after the 1st album. the reason for popular artist to stay on top of the game is to constantly change their images, not a 360 degree change but definitely some changes to keep themselves fresh, it’s impossible to change your music (ones you write) in such a short period of time between the album releases.

  132. I agree.  The music industry, both Korea and here, does have a lot of that…put togetherness.  A composer here, a lyricist there, and a singer and dancer put into one (or even two!).

    Enjoy it for what it is.  

  133. When Leeteuk was interviewed in France and asked why there was so much love and awareness for K-pop, he said “rather than saying that it is because korean songs are appealing, it is actually because they have an international appeal”.
    By that sentence you can conclude why SM buys non-korean songs. They want their artists and songs to be known, internationally. SM doesn’t aim for such thing as originality and things like “our artists deserve custom songs”. If they believe their artists deserve something, then they deserve fame and international awareness (which they are THE best at providing), and for such purpose, it actually calls for such means that many people here disapprove, in this case, to buy songs -composed by foreigners- that have the international appeal and ‘flavour’. And guess what? That.freaking.works!! No wonder their artists are the ones who have unarguably the most fans and their songs receive tons of awards and are the most popular overseas and all that crazy spazzy stuff.

    I also can’t deny that giving original songs to their artists IT’S an awesome thing to do, but who said that they don’t? Many of their biggest hits (Sorry Sorry is a legend) were produced by their own songwriters, YooYoungJin and Kenzy.

  134. I think it’s pretty lame that SM just buys other people’s songs… it’s quite disappointing.

    Like with “Hot Summer” I was like “Heck Yeah! New f(x) woot woot *does 2pm shuffle dance*” and then when I heard it was originally performed by someone else…it lost all specialness to me…I wasn’t excited anymore ;__;  lamesauce.

    SM HAVE enough money, why don’t they just hire a song writer?

    #On a completely unrelated note: YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE AN R SQUARE PI SHIRT ! I. would. so. buy. it.

  135. I’ve seen 2NE1 TV actually. It doesn’t change the fact that they way they perform ON STAGE is a manufactured image. I wasn’t talking about their personalities or trying to insult them, ALL idols have manufactured images. That is what being a pop idol is all about!

    • There was a scene in there where they were practicing and Papa YG aren’t satisfied with it because their personalities can’t be seen. He said “So do you just want to dance like the robots? No YG is not like that”.. 

      Very Company has different appeals. I think SM and YG discussion should end here.. Again, this is SM-related blog, not YG’s.

    • Not all idols have manufactured images some of them are really themselves. A pop idol isn’t all about that. I don’t know much on pop idols but I know enough that that is not what it is all about. We do not know any of the idols or bands personally, so we don’t know how they really are. For instance, what you said about CL she traveled basically everywhere, she could have still hung out with people who made her out to the way she is now. Just like that girl Cherelle, she lived in Beverly Hills and she turned out to be sort of gangster. I know that you’re not talking about their personalities or trying to insult them. But, their personalities affects their image. NOT ALL idols have manufactured images.

  136. Yeah like I said ‘fake’ is probably too harsh. ^^; Their personalities do shine on personal shows and variety shows, but their image as SINGERS (SNSD as cute, 2NE1 & Big Bang as…hip-hopish? idk a good way to describe it lol) was made by their company. Anyway, what I was trying to say is you claiming YG groups are superior in all ways is a personal opinion, not a fact. Both companies put out very talented groups but because the music/style of each company is so different you can’t really say one is better than the other, it’s just whatever pleases you the most.
    Also, if it wasn’t obvious I have do a SM bias but I still really, really love 2NE1 (and their music). They are awesome and talented girls. <3

    • I agree with this too. Although I am a YG stan, I never closed my mind with the talent and perfection SM artist brings to the stage. They rehearse the choreo very well, and they show it the exact thing on the stage. In YG case though, although they have choreo for their songs, specifically BIGBANG and Se7en, they don’t close their performances with these choreos only.  That is why YG singers looks like playing on stage more than sticking with the choreo..

      This should not make a fan war. This is a SM related blog, not YG..

  137. I dont understand Korean, save for any basic sentences, so I watch kpop to be entertained.  I really dont care whether the songs are originals or not.  Even if they were originals, while I may have my own interpretation of the song, I think the original meaning intended by the artist would be lost on me anyway just because i dont fully understand their culture.   This is probably why i identify more with songs that are written and sung in English.  However, if I want to be entertained, then I turn to foreign language songs (kpop, jpop, cpop, europop).

  138. The flip side is though, these SM singers makes it more popular than the original ones which is very KPOP..

    Guys down there, that is why there is called Copyright. Although SM bought the rights to make another version/cover of the songs, it’s still not their original songs. 

    It is as if you’re questioning why make an issue out of a designer making the exact same design by another designer. It’s not Illegal, but it’s UNPRODUCTIVE and UNORIGINAL…Not to forget, these are CATCHY SONGS that SME bought.  That is why most likely the pre-owned catchy songs sang by singers can really be a big hit, but not timeless. But at the end of the day, their are entertainers anyways..If they are not your biases that sings it, I wonder what will your stand be. 

  139. since SM is an ENTERTAINMENT company, they will never be on the same level of YG ENTERTAINMENT. why? because YG makes songs, and hires choreographers and make MVs, so double thumbs up. and SM just entertains. :) 

    • lol uh SM does all those things too. All the idols groups in YG (and yes, hip-hop & rap might be the genre but they’re still idols) are given a manufactured image before they debut. CL for example is from a rich family and spent a good chunk of her life traveling through Europe, but her image is this badass ~gangsta~ girl. It’s just as…fake (though that may be a bit of a harsh word) as a SM girl acting all sweet and sugary. The only difference is the YG manufactured image appeals to you more.

      • manufactured image?! LOL 

        Try to watch 2NE1 TV to clear your mind

      • I didn’t say anything about the so called ‘manufactured image’. If you watch 2NE1 TV and BIGBANG TV, then you know what I’m saying. same goes to SNSD’s Baby programme, I never once thought they fake their images, since I’m a fan of Sooyoung. I never think of her faking to be feminine, plus I even love her quirky personality. All I’m saying is that YG aims in producing artist that can sing well, dance well, and produces songs. 2NE1 may not reach that level yet, but at least YG succeeds with BIG BANG. and SM focuses on diverse entertainment such as singing,  MC-ing and acting. They both pursue different routes. In term of music, YG pawns it IMO. :)

        • Yeah I agree with you. That is the system of YG, “We help you until the time you can stand on your own”. EVERY artists produced by YG later on become producers themselves. 

          But the thing is, you should have brought up YG here.. This is a SM related blog, not YG.

        • oh im sorry. i didnt intend to create a war. :)

        • It’s not what I intended to say, don’t misunderstood. We all just know that when YG is brought up, others can’t really help to stay still especially with company wars :)

        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

        • rookie group Block B has also done that. Their CEO Cho PD got them to write over 100 songs before their debut and he hardly inputs into the production only assists them. I think this is the way to go for the future with Kpop

    • Think you got it wrong.
      Sorry, but have you listened to Big Bang’s songs? I know they’re good, but in my view their live voice is actually a LOT worse than their MVs- I think there’s a fair element of autotune with YG>SM? Never- a lot of their singers sound same or even better live than in their MVs.

  140. If SM bought the rights to the songs then I dont really see what the big problem is here. Like you said, SM in an ENTERTAINMENT company and their idols are farrrrr too busy learning songs, learning dances, and promoting themselves and their albums to sit down and think out original songs for hours on end when they barely have any time to themselves as it it. 

    Also, to the fans, it’s not really who originally owned the song, but who made it more memorable and something that they really love. For instance, SHINee’s “Juliette” is Corbin Bleu’s (from High School Musical if anyone else remembers) “Deal With It”. In my opinion, SHINee did a far better job with the song than Corbin Bleu. 

    So all in all, I care about who does a better job with the song instead of who owned it first. 

  141. i have to agree with you guys.  what sm entertainment is doing isn’t illegal but it does seem a bit wrong at the same time.  i personally love it best when an artist composes their own music. however that is not to say that only artists that make their own music are the best.  what some people seem to have forgotten is that although celine dion and other famous artists don’t compose their own music, the songs they sing are composed for them specifically.  just like 2ne1 doesn’t compose their own music but the songs they sing are composed specifically with them in mind.  that said sm entertainment does have some very catchy tunes.  i guess it comes down to what your definition of music is.  to me it isn’t about making the most money or creating a number one hit.  it’s about self expression and connecting with your listeners on a personal level.  sm entertainment is not my favourite kpop company but i do love me some shinee and super junior beats.

  142. I honestly agree with the fact that either though they are buying the rights to the songs, they change them a lot and really add their own style to them. A lot of effort obviouslying going into the dances which is really what makes kpop unqiue and i think the songs are still quite different from the orginals they bought them from, and by that i mean much better. Although they may be overusing their props …. lol

  143. who cares that much if its bought or not.

  144. Oh, and as for other famous foreign Kpop artists I think Thomas Troelsen have to be mentioned.

    He wrote DBSK’s Mirotic (English version called “Under my Skin” is sung by Sarah Connor), BoA’s Eat You Up and Dangerous, SHINee’s Love like Oxygen.
    He also did a version of Hot Summer for a Taiwanese singer, named Hot Winter (????).

  145. Well I think that it’s unfair that people think that SME can’t use other people’s songs.
    Look, songwriters have to make a living, right?
    So they sell songs.
    People complain that SME brought those songs and it’s not “original” because it’s from a foreign artist.
    Will they complain if Ke$ha did sing that song instead of SNSD?
    And will they complain if a Korean artist wrote that song?

    I don’t think so. I classify this as racism.
    Nuff said.

    • I’m an Asian, and I don’t see racism in there.. It’s not about what color/country who sings it, it’s about originality

      • just don’t comment if you don’t understand english, because you blatantly did not understand what I just said- I said that it’s racism because people wouldn’t have complained if Ke$ha sang Run Devil Run but apparently because SNSD bought it off a foreign songmaker, it suddenly becomes plagiarism.

  146. I don’t buy the argument that an artist that writes own song is superior. Does anyone think Luciano Pavarotti is less of a singer because he never composed any song he sang? A singer should be judged by quality of his/her singing only. Whether it was composed by him/herself or someone else should be immaterial. If you read composers’ list of SNSD’s “Genie”, you see Nermin Harambasic, Robin Jenssen, Ronny Svendsen, Anne Judith Wik, Fridolin Nordso Schjoldan(Additional melody by 유영진). It looks like a song composed by a committee. I saw on TV one of them (a Swedish, I can’t remember who) saying he was surprised to find that Genie was released as a dance pop by SME, which he never imagined. So I imagine the Genie as we know it was mostly created by SME, and that the original composition only gave a remote starting point. So do not assume that the original composers had all figured out and that all the production company (SME) had to do was to implement it. It usually requires much creative input to produce what Korean “idol groups” do beyond the original composition.

  147. ehhh I’m used to it by now…it doesn’t bother me so much anymore and it’s not like they recycle every song that they produce. Sure it would be nice to see a bit more originality when releasing a group’s title song (which IMO is the most important). Maybe they’ll get the hint soon…

  148. oh hay thar everybody.
    realize that most idols auditioned to sing, or dance, or whatever’s their forte. um, yeah. SING. not write songs. well, unless you’re one of those revolutionary rookies who have been trained into a talent for it. so, yeah. you guys might go with originality, but if you think about it, it might be because the SM artists are so frikin’ busy. they’re everywhere, man. and they might want to catch a wink of sleep or two instead of writing an amazing song. so they let SM choose good songs by other people, who happily (and perfectly legally) sell off the rights to this huge Korean company, who then turn it into this awesome hit for one of their amazing groups. and hey. they DO have some pure talent in there. SHINee: dance. i don’t rly go for their vocals, but their dancing is seriously awesome. SuJu KRY: vocals. damn. yeah, they’re pretty good. i don’t know about snsd and plastic, but YoonA and Seohyun look pretty natural (crazily pretty) in their past pics. cassiopeia. elf. shawol. sones. crazy-humongous fanbases. 

    and you know, im not against originality. freeze in b2st’s latest album is a really good generic happy kpop song. the good type. you know, the ones that are constantly on repeat. like b2st’s beautiful, u-kiss’ without you, etc. 
    but copyright-turned kpop songs aren’t half bad either.

  149. i have done my share of talking on this subject, so i’m gonna try to avoid going into a long speech. i do want to point out, tho, to anyone who didn’t already know, that it’s not just those few that they named in the video and description–Mirotic, Love Like Oxygen, and Hello were also remakes.  and those are just off the top of my head, and from my very limited knowledge of SM songs (i tend to prefer the musical style from YGE, personally).   Other groups have done remakes and such–it’s just that it is a pattern with SME, and a very frequently repeated one at that. It would help if they didn’t use so many for their lead singles, tho.

    also, on the other side, Kpop idols are starting to do a lot more in the behind-the-scenes work. many of the companies are starting to realize that people respect an artist more if he/she can create, not just perform, so they’re working to show that their idols can write lyrics or songs or even do choreography.  It’s getting to the point where being a Kpop idol is really just a platform from which the idols can move on to greater things (greater meaning, it’s more likely they’ll actually last longer than a few years). they get opportunities because they are idols, and they use that to move on to acting or hosting or writing or directing.  SM started that boom with Super Junior, and I think that’s why they must feel it’s ok to keep recycling songs this way.

    anyway, as for my personal feelings on the subject……It irks me, a bit.  however, it fits in with what SM does, and they do it well.  SM seems to focus on the presentation more than JYP or YG.  for instance, their groups are well known for the unison and crispness of their performances (SHINee, SNSD). YG is the most different from SM–they focus on the core, and everything just kinda flows out from there. Their only two active groups are the two groups most known in the industry for the individuality of their members.  JYP seems to be kinda in the middle…..out of the three, i follow JYP artists the least (just personal preference, nothing against them whatsoever) so i’m not really sure what my impression is of them.  but i have noticed that JYP seems to have the most sister/sub-labels.  also, that kinda goes with their names–YG Family (very small compared to the others, members are very close-knit), SM Town (bigger, but all kinda with a similar flavor because it is, after all, a single label), and JYP Nation (a whole bunch of people in various sub-labels).  ……well, that was a rather random rabbit trail, but i don’t feel like editing it right now, so……do with it what you will. so much for avoiding talking about this too much.  /fail.

  150. SM has composers. The most famous ones are Yoo Youngjin (Sorry Sorry, Bonamana, Ring Ding Dong, Hot Times, Beautiful Girls, Before U Go) and Kenzie (SJ’s 나란 사람, SHINee’s Life, Jo Jo, Graze, Señorita, LA Cha Ta, Oh!, Into the New World) to name a few.

    I personally don’t have any problem with this. SM’s singers do write lyrics to SOME of their songs. As a SHINee fan I know that Minho writes most of his rap parts himself, Key has written the rap in Get down and Shout out together with Minho. Jonghyun has made contributions as a lyricist to Juliette, Obsession and Up & Down. Onew wrote the lyrics to Your name. Someone also mentioned Yuri as a lyricist for Mistake and Donhae for composing a song for their 4th repackaged and also BoA on her latest album.

    I actually prefer this system. It’s easy to say that SM should make their own song, but when you’re managing 5 different groups it a whole different story. Imagine Yoo Youngjin and Kenzie producing songs for 5 different albums. The reason I’m quoting all these facts is because I think people forget about that SM has a very good composing team of their own; both Korean and foreign composers. What difference is there in originality wether it’s composed by a Korean or a bought European demo? Remakes are a different story but remakes have existed for decades so why can’t SM do it too? I can go on and on about what I think and no one would care. What I am trying to say is that SM can be original. It’s easy to forget that and only focus on the buying-demos-thing. Even if SM decides to use a Korean song they still have to buy it. Sounds familiar?

    And just to put it out there; what would you prefer? A good song that’s bought, or a bad song composed by one of SM’s composers or singers?

    • I agree mostly, and I’m glad that the artists write their own lyrics, but I don’t understand why SM can’t buy songs that haven’t already been sung + released on the internet by the original artist. I mean, is it that much harder to hire a songwriter than to buy the rights to a song?

  151. I don’t think it really matters that much. If a song was originally an English or any other different language then the song is usually change so that it’s in Korean. Also even if it not an original song for them every artist that sings the song has a different approach to it  and a different touch to add to it making it their own. Every artist still pours their heart and soul into it to make it the best that they can and at the end of the day, if they’re satisfied and happy with what they’ve done then we should be too. And just because the song wasn’t written for them doesn’t mean that it doesn’t relate to them. 
    SME gets a lot of hate and for what? Making their kpop artists shine? Carefully planning and putting together groups that they know we’ll love? And when they buy songs they try to match it with a group that can sell the song and give it meaning and feeling from their own perspective. The people that made the song get paid for the song because they made the song to sell it and even if that wasn’t the original intent of the song they still sold it. Why make a song if it’s never gonna see the light of day? 
    Original songs would be nice but whether the song is original or passed along till it got to them, it’s made original by the artists who work hard to make it what it will be. Our job as fans is to support them, if we can’t even do that them how can we call ourselves fans?

  152. Have you ever searched for Pachebel on youtube? You should, because you’ll have an entirely different perspective on the whole originality concept. One of the many good things of youtube is that you can see a lot of covers. And those covers can be really beautifull and can affect you in an entirely new way. Pachebel’s canon D is beautiful, but the same Canon D by JerryC is fabulous in it’s own right. Coldplay plagiarising Joe Satriani and then denying that they stole it is just plain wrong. Now when a song gets covered wrong, then it’s the Darwin Award for them, no need to fuss over it. I’ve heard different artists make beautiful covers of Britney Spears Toxic. So really, why not? Don’t be a purist, celebrate the effort people put into a song, be it by creating or covering. 

  153. Have you ever searched for Pachebel on youtube? You should, because you’ll have an entirely different perspective on the whole originality concept. One of the many good things of youtube is that you can see a lot of covers. And those covers can be really beautifull and can affect you in an entirely new way. Pachebel’s canon D is beautiful, but the same Canon D by JerryC is fabulous in it’s own right. Coldplay plagiarising Joe Satriani and then denying that they stole it is just plain wrong. Now when a song gets covered wrong, then it’s the Darwin Award for them, no need to fuss over it. I’ve heard different artists make beautiful covers of Britney Spears Toxic. So really, why not? Don’t be a purist, celebrate the effort people put into a song, be it by creating or covering. 

  154. Okay, this is completely unrelated, but I really want that shirt that cartoon!Simon was wearing xD

  155. I understand about the love for originality (because I’m a die hard fan of a lot of musicians who do their own stuff) but buying songs is a REALLY common thing otherwise songwriters would be out of a job. I personally don’t think it’s a bad thing SM buys songs at all. Buying songs is part of the music industry as a whole. Korean and non-Korean. A lot of singers have music written for them. For example (off the top of my head), Celine Dion didn’t write ‘My Heart Will Go On’ but she does perform it. It was written by James Homer and Will Jennings and they got paid (and will get paid thanks to royalties) for their song being sung by Celine Dion. Does that take away from Dion being an artist? I personally don’t think so.  It’s pretty typical to have in-house songwriters, just as it is to buy songs from freelance ones. It’s not a bad thing. At the end of the day, you have to remember that the music industry is all about money if you’re being represented by any sort of major label whether it be SM or Jive or YG or Sony Records. A lot of times the economics of music is all a label is worried about.

    In my opinion, the issue here shouldn’t be about buying songs but what SM does with the song and whether or not their artists have any input into what kind of songs are picked for them. Do they pick the song or does SM management not give them a choice? Not everyone is going to be innate at writing their own music like Lennon or McCartney were. If you’re asking me, that’s okay. Ehh, I feel like this didn’t make any sense but I hope it did! :)

  156. I’ll go half and half with this one. Yes, I think original songs are better because it shows that artist does show sincerity and effort to express their own music but at the same time most of the songs that SM bought, just like with the two songs of f(x), are in Korean which means they make it their own. Sure, the lyrics are written by someone else too and a lot of artists, not just Korean, do sing songs that are written for them yah? Like you guys said, these songs were bought but the artist themselves make it their own via dance etc. These groups like f(x), SHINee and Super Junior, they are famous in their own right now and even if you give them “rejected” songs, they’ll all turn into something that makes it theirs.

    I hate to admit it but I agree with “Martian Virus” that SHINee and f(x) has become backburners for the SM company for getting redemos for their songs. Super Junior actually write their own songs and they are pretty good composers/songwriters too!

  157. I strongly side w/ originality cuz i think it kind of discredits the original singers, who had songwriters write the songs specifically for those artists. And that there, i’m assuming, less songwriters that are dedicated to writing original songs kinda tells me the music industry and/or idols are caring more about their image and less about what it means to be a singer. i prefer vocal talent over dance/looks. the problem is pop culture >.<

  158. Emyr Ferrario de Lima

    I haven’t seen anyone complaining about the hundreds of re-recorded versions of Beatles songs… And I don’t see how is this any different from SM. They bought the right from the composer or legal owner. Also, in my opinion, at least they still have a better taste than Beyoncé when picking other peoples songs or beats (Major Laser’s “pon the floor” beat was turned into her last hit, “Who run the world(girls)”).

  159. Emyr Ferrario de Lima

    I haven’t seen anyone complaining about the hundreds of re-recorded versions of Beatles songs… And I don’t see how is this any different from SM. They bought the right from the composer or legal owner. Also, in my opinion, at least they still have a better taste than Beyoncé when picking other peoples songs or beats (Major Laser’s “pon the floor” beat was turned into her last hit, “Who run the world(girls)”).

  160. I dont know much about this, but I agree with most of the things that you said. Anyways, I think that it will be nice if the artists write their own songs, but as you said, kpop insdustry is a completely different thing from what we are used to, and it certainly entertain us. Oh, I am also reading other comments, and some people think that they are artists just for the fortune, but sadly for them they only get a really small amount of all the money the companies get, and those artists really work hard, just imagine how much they have to practice their dances, I am a dancer, and I dont have the levl they had, neither that much presentations, but I have to practice everyday, a lot, just for one dance, just imagine how hard they work, and also, many of those artists study music in the university, but the thing is that the companies, as simon and matina said, are entertainment companies, and obviously what they, the companies, want is popularity, I am sure that many kpop artists want to be composers as well.

  161. “Is it just us, or aren’t songs supposed to represent how a musician feels? Like, these are my thoughts and emotions, and I’m going to express them in song. If you find out that the artist bought that song from someone else, it takes away from the feeling of sincerity, or genuineness.”
    Yeah I’m not following you guys on this one. I don’t really see how you think its more “sincere” for an artist to sing a song their COMPANY wrote for them rather than getting it from a European or North American composer. Regardless of where it came from it was still written by someone else and sometime even FOR someone else! Most companies have a large number of ready to go songs that they tweak at the last moment to fit a certain group’s image (so no, most companies don’t create songs from scratch for their groups. They pick and choose just like SM). And it’s not always the case that YG/JYP/Cube/etc artists get the songs from a company composer, they buy songs too. It’s just that they just usually stick to Korean composers (except for YG of course, they go for North American when they can. Sometimes they even try to write their own but given the number of plagiarism scandals maybe that’s not such a hot idea. lol).
    Also quick nitpick, SM DOES write their own music, more than half of it actually. It just seems like they don’t because the backburner groups like SHINee and f(x) get the most remakes/bought songs as title songs (the reason why being a whole different discussion lol). Oh and one more nitpick, a demo DOES NOT belong to an artist unless they buy the rights for it. And even then it’s up to the composer to decide if they want to sell it to more people. Just because some asshole leaks a demo of Ke$ha singing Run Devil Run it doesn’t mean she owns it. That’s like saying Britney Spears owns Lady Gaga’s Telephone. Artists record HUNDREDS of demos and the only reason we hear any of it is because someone leaks it illegally online.

  162. I agree on many levels but I think that I still side with original music. But what I want to know is, do any of these artists have any interests in writing their own music or are they in it solely for the fame and fortune? Are there any songs at all that are actually written by them? And if so, do they not get the same recognition as something that was bought?

  163. Every company does this and they have a right to do so as long as they buy the song but it seems to me like SM is going the easy way just to get a hit song. A lot of artist sample songs and take for there own but at the same time they put there own twist to it while SM just buys the song and gives it to whatever group. It seems like SM is just being lazy on producing they’re own music and calling other peoples music there own when they had no part on the creative process and that does not seem fair to the producers that created the songs. It gets boring after a while listening to a second hand song. It makes them seem less and less of an entertainment company and more a song cover company because that is just what the groups are doing covering songs in korean.

  164. I do agree with the devil part,too. and yes, K-pop mostly consists of entertainers,…. you can’t be sure about the individuals in the bands unless they make solo or start writing songs..
    for example, I’m a DBSK fan.. I liked their performances, dancing, them as people and sure their voices! but I could say that I felt them as real musicians when JYJ members left SM and I was able to see their true talents clearly, with their self-composed songs.. (though their performance (dance specially) needs some work, their lives and voices are real talent!)

    so I do feel bad about the way SM deals with music, but it’s a fact that it’s full name is SM Entertainment .-_- …..
    I don’t know about other companies, but SM holds lots of the most popular bands… it’s ok to give them some scolding! they have to be more original >_>

    SM please gives your artist more care!

  165. I do agree with the devil part,too. and yes, K-pop mostly consists of entertainers,…. you can’t be sure about the individuals in the bands unless they make solo or start writing songs..
    for example, I’m a DBSK fan.. I liked their performances, dancing, them as people and sure their voices! but I could say that I felt them as real musicians when JYJ members left SM and I was able to see their true talents clearly, with their self-composed songs.. (though their performance (dance specially) needs some work, their lives and voices are real talent!)

    so I do feel bad about the way SM deals with music, but it’s a fact that it’s full name is SM Entertainment .-_- …..
    I don’t know about other companies, but SM holds lots of the most popular bands… it’s ok to give them some scolding! they have to be more original >_>

    SM please gives your artist more care!

  166. SME is doing what every other recording companies are doing, buying songs from composers or other companies that own rights to songs. It also commissions composers to compose for specific artists, that is what you may call “hire composers”? What you called “demo songs” are “guide songs” often produced by composers sung by himself/herself or by another singer to give an idea what produced songs will sound like. Sometimes guide songs don’t even have lyrics, sometimes tentative lyrics. That a guide song is released (often illegally) on internet does not make the finally produced songs any less valuable. I do not agree with your assertion that SME is doing something undesirable because they purchased rights to submitted songs (they have composers from all over the world submitting 1,000+ songs every week!) which is how you do music business.  

  167. Honestly, it really only even seems like an issue in kpop. This kind of thing happens in all genres of music, all around the world. For some insane reason people have the most unrealistic expectations when it comes to kpop, their artists, the entertainment company’s, and that industry as a whole. Joe shmo netizen and/or fan really have no scope of understanding when it comes to the inner workings that make the kpop industry. Or any part of the music industry at all.

    I actually had a lot more to say. There were a lot of relating points I wanted to touch on, but once I realized I was writing a full blown essay, I decided I should summarize my feelings to just that.

  168. I think some entertainment companies buy other artist song because they r trying to make that song a comeback. For example Gdragon he did a song This Love and it was song by Maroon 5. He took that song and put his own style to that song .

  169. I personally have no problem with this because I don’t really see SM Entertainment as saints anyway. (Yes, I’m a DBSK fan. Not so hidden contempt there.) So whatever will get them the most production (original or not) will be their natural choice.  They’re an entertainment company, not a music company. If they were a music company and they didn’t produce original music, then there would be a problem.

  170. I love Big Bang, don’t get me wrong, but even though they write the lyrics, the beat and the music is still a copy of others so they’re pretty much in the same boat as other kpop artists. 

  171. I agree with your view fully and can’t understand why SM doesn’t invest their money into buying original songs for their hardworking artists. Now from my own knowledge Monrose and other german artists also buy their songs from european producers and in fact SM has been buying a lot from those same producers. While those german artists or artists like Kesha may have the rights to the song in the european/western market, SM only holds the rights to the songs in the asian market. What I would really like to know is…now that they plan to export Kpop to the western audiences, especially Europe and America….can they officially re-release those same songs in korean, if they only have the rights for the songs in the asian market? I think SM will at least face a bigger controversy if they really plan on doing that. For me personally I am kind of fed up, knowing that the majority of Shinee’s/SM artist’s songs is pre-released songs or demos. And what really annoys me is the fact, that I have to listen to songs that were popular in Germany 5 years ago and I already hated with all my might (Monrose’s Hot Summer, Cinema Bizarre’s Forever or Never and Sarah Connor’s version of Mirotic ['Under my skin']….ugh I don’t know anymore). While I do like some of the korean versions better, it doesn’t make me love them automatically just because they’re korean. And fx’s Hot Summer for example lacks a bit of the power Monrose’s song had, they just went for the cutesy concept again, which wouldn’t work in Europe at all. I’m actually really not against SM buying songs since their artists have made their versions kind of cool in my eyes. But I wish they bought songs that’d showcase their artists better and create a unique SM-sound or..a typical ‘Shinee-sound’ or whatever.

  172. It’s called cheaping out. SME can buy songs for really cheap that way, especially if a song can only be used within certain regions (see: DBSK’s Mirotic). Entertainment companies really cheap out in actually giving the artists profit because the recruiting and training costs money so they want to minimize risks, forgetting that they’re dealing with actual humans who work at an inhuman schedule instead of robots who sing and dance, and that they deserve some money too.

  173. I’m sorry to digress from the topic on hand but…..

    I like your ‘shirt’ in the video…Took me a few minutes to realise your R Square Pie!
    Where do you get your shirts from? they’re usually quite cool! ( I mean your real shirts in your live videos…not your animated one….)

  174. I totally agree with everything said. I guess SM buy and polish a lot of other songs is because they don’t have a set producer working for them – like JYP has JYP, YG has Teddy Park and Cube has InDaCube guy. However I do think things are going to change for the better with SM as they’ve finally got a set producer working for them – Teddy Riley. He was the one that was working with RaNia, but they’ve seemed to have parted ways. I also think that the SM artists themselves are gradually putting their hand into their music too. Yuri from SNSD wrote one of the songs on their Hoot EP (Mistake), and she’s been saying how she wants a laptop to compose more songs for their future projects. Tiffany also wrote a song during the production process of their Hoot EP… but her song didn’t make it onto the final record.  BoA was also co writing some of the stuff for her comeback album last year. So I hope all these little things are signs of SM becoming more original with their music, because they have some ridiculously talented artists that deserve better. ^^

    Ribal

  175. Concerning SNSD it goes even further, as far as it can even go: Their first album and a song on that album is named exactly like the band itself (that’s not the problem). That song, however, was a cover of a song from Lee Seung Chul from 1989. So there was the whole album and even the whole band named after someone else’s song.

    Just search in Youtube something like 이승철 소녀시대 (better results with hangul).

  176. SHINee is not that great live….they have a lot of playback when they perform, as do f(x) and SUJU. out of SM i would say SNSD and TVXQ are the best at singing and dancing well live
     ^-^ but i’m a 2pm fan anyway so…..idk. it might just be me. JYP <3

  177. When I see
    many comments say that GD is also sampling other songs, yes i admit that.

    But remember
    most of his songs are still original, just a part is sampling it.(a few
    sentence over a 4mins song-,-) Unlike SME is just covering the songs and
    rearrange it to let the song more “that band style” i.e. f(x)’s
    Danger and Hot summer.

    Moreover,
    when people says at least SME have the permission of the original artist to
    cover their songs, when YG is even sampling without permission. I think it
    should be clarified that GD is sampling other songs, but if you have brought
    his CD, you will find loads of credit behind the album. (especially the
    GD&TOP one, so many that i was shocked) He did have the permission of the
    original publisher before he release the song. He have learnt something after
    the Heartbreaker thing i guess (even though flo rida said he didn’t
    plagiarised).
    But actually, i don’t see the covering problem to be so big. We just enjoy
    those song too, right? you may not even know the original song if there’s no
    cover from the kpop artist. And SME can earn as much as profit as they wish. We
    just can’t see the real music talent of the artist. (but you can still see the
    singing skills, dancing skills, acting skills…) And that’s why they are so call
    “idols” but not “artist”.

    About the
    song-writing classes? nah…that’s not gonna happen. SME idols don’t have
    time!! they go on variety shows, they so many activities…they don’t have time
    for classes. And they don’t have time for composing songs. Take GD as an
    example again, he said most of his time is composing (a few song per day*0*).
    He most recent place is the recording studio and the YG buiding’s canteen. Can
    SME afford its idols to do that? Nope. In addition, GD really have the talent
    for making a catchy kpop song, if SME really lets its idol to compose song, and
    if their song are shit, oh SME will have to suffer from a loss. Will SME bear
    this risk? Nope. SME is a profit-making company.
    So, i think, we should not blame SME for covering most of their songs. When
    release it, we listen. But maybe we can appreciate more for the real artist who
    compse their own song. (okay im a GD fan XD) And wish SME to release more
    original song by SME’s songwriters (instead of the idol). As it somehow make me
    feels sick too (i was shocked again when i know both f(x) tilte track are
    covers).
    this is my first comment…wow a bit long, too many to share :)

  178. When I see many comments say that GD is also sampling other songs, yes i admit that.
    But remember, most of his songs are still original, just a part is sampling it.(a few sentence over a 4mins song-,-) Unlike SME is just covering the songs and rearrange it to let the song more “that band style” i.e. f(x)’s Danger and Hot summer.
    Moreover, when people says at least SME have the permission of the original artist to cover their songs, when YG is even sampling without permission. I think it should be clarified that GD is sampling other songs, but if you have brought his CD, you will find loads of credit behind the album. (especially the GD&TOP one, so many that i was shocked) He did have the permission of the original publisher before he release the song. He have learnt something after the Heartbreaker thing i guess (even though flo rida said he didn’t plagiarised).
    But actually, i don’t see the covering problem to be so big. We just enjoy those song too, right? you may not even know the original song if there’s no cover from the kpop artist. And SME can earn as much as profit as they wish. We just can’t see the real music talent of the artist. (but you can still see the singing skills, dancing skills, acting skills…) And that’s why they are so call “idols” but not “artist”.
    About the song-writing classes? nah…that’s not gonna happen. SME idols don’t have time!! they go on variety shows, they so many activities…they don’t have time for classes. And they don’t have time for composing songs. Take GD as an example again, he said most of his time is composing (a few song per day*0*). He most recent place is the recording studio and the YG buiding’s canteen. Can SME afford its idols to do that? Nope. In addition, GD really have the talent for making a catchy kpop song, if SME really lets its idol to compose song, and if their song are shit, oh SME will have to suffer from a loss. Will SME bear this risk? Nope. SME is a profit-making company.
    So, i think, we should not blame SME for covering most of their songs. When release it, we listen. But maybe we can appreciate more for the real artist who compse their own song. (okay im a GD fan XD) And wish SME to release more original song by SME’s songwriters (instead of the idol). As it somehow make me feels sick too (i was shocked again when i know both f(x) tilte track are
    covers).
    this is my first comment…wow a bit long, too many to share :)

  179. I think it would be nice if they just used their own original songs and gave their musicians more creative powers. However, in my opinion, every song that SM has bought the rights to and copied has made them ridiculously better than the originals. They are catchier and more fun to listen to. Just my opinion :)

  180. that’s why i like groups like B2ST and BIG BANG that write the majority of their own songs^^

  181. Jolin Tsai from Taiwan has a song named “Hot Winter” and its actually the same song as f(x)’s Hot Summer/Monrose’s Hot Summer…just the different between Winter & Summer lol~
    Hot Winter – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U6MNcaHj6s

  182. a very nice review by you guys. i agree with you and i AM n SM biased, Specially SHINee & SuJu biased. and it’s true that even if some songs are bought by SM entertainment, the WHOLE of the label bands under it WORKS and actually HARD WORKS like anything to bring success to it. so we shouldn’t simply bash the SM entertainment but also appreciate that they gave us some REALLY worthy bands to keep us worked up and entertained. And as you mentioned, not ALL kpop bands both SING & DANCE as well as SHINee and ON TOP OF THAT, SING WHILE dancing so well. nice job done there. this review should clear out MOST of those annoying bashings made against SM entertainment.

  183. (my first comment, yay!) I agree with your points, and you’ve actually opened more my mind. I would like to add some things: I’ve read many kpop “artists” write some songs, but, well, they’ve not studied composing, so I think many of those lyrics are discarded. Other thing I’ve read too is that, for an album, they record lots and lots of music. And in that point I’m just a bit… not sad, but I don’t get why amongst those, I don’t know, a hundred musics they choose many bought ones. They surely don’t must buy a lot of songs to just record and see if it ended well to an album, but what about the other almost-hundred?

    I still won’t stop listening to some songs just because they’re bought. I am studying korean also to understand the lyrics, but I think a song is also to be felt, not necessarily to be “lyric-understandable”. And, well, if they do good performances too, I’m quite satisfied.
    When those people want to enter this “entertainment industry”, I think they’re aware of these points (songs being bought, etc) and want to enter to open more doors to them, maybe a solo career in the future, I don’t know. So if they’re aware and even so they are in this industry, they are doing their job (at least for now).

  184. I know way too many musicians, I guess. This isn’t a new concept. Every company buys songs whether they admit to it or not. I don’t think it’s a big deal because most people aren’t buying the actual music, they’re buying the “brand,” the image of that group/person. I just don’t understand why people get so upset nowadays because it’s been going on for a veeeeeeeeeeery, very long time.

  185. The problem with remakes is not the artist that is doing it; because even some USA artists and even Latino artists do this, but the fans of say artist that starts hating and insulting the ORIGINAL artist and the work that they did.  What fans don’t understand is that for example Monrose and F(X) are too very different artist and their style is also different…I have been listening to their music and Monrose is way different than F(X).  Monrose had that song before and they made it their own when it came out, now is F(x) turn and they are making it their own.  People stop bashing the artists it is not their fault that their companies and producers are buying and selling songs.  The only thing I have been seeing since I start listening to Kpop is a bunch of immature fans insulting each other and insulting other groups just because they believe that what they are doing is supporting their favorite group…What are they doing is giving them negative energy and even creating more haters for them…Enjoy their music and be happy they are doing great.

  186. Yeah, it seem to me to be a little ridiculous that they do it so much, but everyone in the American market is either redoing old songs, or using bits and samples from older songs to make new songs, so it’s really not much different.  Jason Derulo using Imogen Heap’s “Whatcha Say”, for example.  People do it all the time.

  187. LMAO…simon…love the shirt, R Square Pie!!! hehehe, LOVE  U-Kiss. I dunno, its a tough call, but i think  SM Ent deff needs to take better care of its bands. It kinda seems silly, these guys are soo popular…but off of other peoples music??? Although i have to say im a big Super Junior fan, and even without their music, i’d love them b/c of their hardwork, personalities, these guys go above and beyond for their fans. I think SM should try to create THEIR OWN music and stop bumming off other peoples work….

  188. LMAO…simon…love the shirt, R Square Pie!!! hehehe, LOVE  U-Kiss. I dunno, its a tough call, but i think  SM Ent deff needs to take better care of its bands. It kinda seems silly, these guys are soo popular…but off of other peoples music??? Although i have to say im a big Super Junior fan, and even without their music, i’d love them b/c of their hardwork, personalities, these guys go above and beyond for their fans. I think SM should try to create THEIR OWN music and stop bumming off other peoples work….

  189. I want an “r squared pi” shirt… (゚⊿゚)

  190. Some “idols” nowadays are getting sick of being synthesized by a machine and being even called idols. I admit that i like Kpop a lot but what i like the most is that they are finally opening their eyes and some of them are making their own music without any buy-and-go song in their way. SM has really good entertainers on their hands but it would be freaking awesome if those entertainers evolve into full artists and then into real good musicians writing their own music.

  191. JYP that’s all I gotta say.

  192. Actually I can understand the two point of view.
    It’s a really hum… kind of difficult subject(?). Cause as you say it’s not illegal, and maybe the artist can try to make their own interpretation of the song. But for me it’s really disapointed. We tend to actually really like original songs and all, and when we know that it’s just a copy it feels weird.
    But (put aside SMent) if we took the example of GD “this love”, it’s actually kind of original and all, and I like it, the same goes to Lee seungGi’s mask. (though it’s totally the same song!).
    (oh and insomnia by wheesung. )
    I think artist can reuse the same song but only if they do a real work on it.
    As for Sment, it’s just how to say, industry? Piking a catchy song, giving to their idol and making them dance and sing on it… And futhermore they do it so many time! (I start to believe that they have no any originality!) I don’t know if the “the singer put their feeling in it” things can really works with Idol groups..; except some songs..
    Actually I really don’t know and I’m saying crap here! But I think this article was really interesting and all! I’m glad you did this!
    Love~

  193. Music is music, pretty much all music is some remix or remake of another. Artists sample beats, use lyrics from other songs etc. If a person finds enjoyment from the music does it really matter where it came from as long as it hasn’t been stolen?

    Some of Led Zeppelins most famous songs are remakes of other songs. Does that make Led Zeppelin any less talented? Not to me. Same applies here.

  194. SM also has it’s own songwriters, but they also buy song from other companies, they do both. The good thing that comes off is a different style of music, a different feel everytime. That’s what I like about SM.

  195. I actually had to explain this to my boyfriend. You can’t really look at them as ‘Artists’ in the musical sense of the word, but rather ENTERTAINERS.  Until they start songwriting and receiving said royalties, we can enjoy the music they’re singing to and their performances as entertainers, not artists. G-Dragon is an artist, Kahi from After School is an artist, JeA from B.E.G. is an artist. f(x) are entertainers, SNSD are entertainers, Super Junior are entertainers. This is mostly the reason why I don’t see groups like SNSD or KARA as ‘singers’ because I enjoy them much more on variety shows.

    As for SM or many other companies buying songs to remake into a Kpop version; this is not the first or last time.  In fact, it’s happened in reverse, between other countries, but I suppose the sheer amount that gets released from SM is a bit staggering.  I don’t think this is wrong or should take away from the artist releasing their version.  One example is CSJH The Graces ‘My Everything’ originally sung/ written by an idol winner from Norway.  Both versions are great, except I’m more partial to CSJH’s simply because the vocal performance is pretty phenomenal (also there are 4 girls, acappella-trained).  SNSD’s Genie/ Nathalie Makohoma’s Just Wanna Dance; I personally think this is SNSD’s best track, but Nathalie makes the track sound like such a dirty club banger – I listen to both.

    • You bring up some really great points- after all its all about money so who cares so long as they do it legally right!? Still it’s kinda hard to swallow the lack of originality this promotes especially when done such succession (and on a single group on top  of that). Like you said, though, they are entertainers not artists and as such they are only interpreting the work of others to begin with. I still feel cheated…and cant make up my mind whether it’s okay or not to have it keep happening.

    • omg what you said totally answered my questions!! :D i am like you, i don’t see SNSD, KARA, f(x), super junior as artist.. 

      by the way, Miryo from B.E.G are also an artist, because she took part in many song writing in B.E.G’s song. according to B.E.G members, she earns the most because of royalties although she rarely attends variety shows.. 

      • Hi! I consider Super Junior and other SM artists as musicians because they write some of their songs too (if you’ll look through their albums). Maybe most of us don’t notice that because we focus on how we are seeing them now. Oh and they could play instruments too :))

    • I bow down to you and this perfect comment

  196. Another one is SHINee’s Juliette. It’s Corbin Bleu’s Deal With It :O. 

    If JYPE samples a song the original artist gets credit (it’ll state SAMPLING OF “____” and then state who the original song writer was). A lot of companies sample, but if they don’t -ask- to use it that’s where I see the problem. YG has had a bit of plagiarism claims though when G-Dragon released his album in 2009. I mean… let’s not forget Heartbreaker and Right Round… yep.

    • it’s even a huge shame for all those people whose accusing GD for plagiarism when even Flo himself stated that, it wasn’t even his original song.Even Flo sample a song from the 80′s . =_=” 

    • it’s even a huge shame for all those people whose accusing GD for plagiarism when even Flo himself stated that, it wasn’t even his original song.Even Flo sample a song from the 80′s . =_=” 

  197. I think the reason for so many of the negative comments about SM is the controversy with the DBSK contracts and some others. I, for one, am with Martina and Simon. It’s hard to fault them since they haven’t done anything illegal but I still resent that the work being put out isn’t originally meant for the artists.

  198. To add to what I said here: http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/sm-entertainment-buying-songs/#comment-231128397

    Giving songwriting classes to KPop idols/artists may seem a good idea, but in the end, would prove to be very impractical. Songwriting is part talent, part skill. One may learn how to write good songs, musically and artistically, but it’s completely different from writing catchy songs with catchy hooks. Nevermind how shallow the lyrics may be. And from what I’ve seen, KPop is all about those catchy songs with catchy hooks, and not much on those actual good songs.

    And something for those who can’t understand Korean: To be honest, I didn’t know what the lyrics of SNSD’s Gee meant up until a few months after I got into them. Point is, most foreign KPop fans care less about the lyrics and more about the music/melodies. Unless the idols are extremely creative and could come up with really good hooks, I doubt giving them songwriting classes would lessen record labels buying songs form other songwriters.

  199. I agree with the devil. Period.

  200. “they may not fit the traditional idea of musicians, they’re taking music artistry to a different level, and focusing on different aspects of music than what we’re traditionally used to.” 
    That’s exactly what I feel when it comes to Kpop..i’m fairly new to this genre before i’m so into Linkin Park and My Chemical Romance which is the polar opposite of kpop.In fact I only see them as Idols and Entertainers that produce attractive people who sing and dance to their uber catchy songs. But ever since he Hallyu reached the shores of my country, I’ve been hearing them everywhere. People have been raving about them here so I was like ‘if you can’t beat them, join them and let’s-see-what-the-fuss-is-this-shiz-about-type of approach.’

    Ok, they’re talented, attractive and lively, but when I discovered that SMent does the song buying, ‘slave contracts’ (i know, that’s a whole new issue, wow SMent is so controversial!) thing, It gave me a stereotypical perception of kpop although I try not to because Its unfair to the other agencies and artists especially YG and JYP. 

    I was shocked about the Mirotic, RDR, and now Hot Summer cover/buying issue because those are my favorite kpop tracks. Honestly, it felt awkward when I discovered it..now i’m thinking if Super Junior’s Sorry, sorry; Super Girl, and Its you are also from another artist but thankfully they’re not. I also read about a comment which is so identical to my rant that why buy songs when they have artists who knows how to compose song themselves e.g. Zhou Mi and Henry who wrote some songs for their SJM mini albums, there’s Leeteuk and Ryeowook. I also heard that JYJ are also good composers too bad they already left the company. Anyway, I hope that SM would truly invest on song writers and not just recycling songs because it looses the artists uniqueness when people discover that its just a cover. At least that’s what I feel, but I guess harcore fans wont care as long as they see their biases sing and dance on stage, youtube or else where.

  201. I think a lot of it has to do with fans sentiment that these songs should originate from the artists that they love. As soon as a song gets discovered that it was performed by another artist, it becomes a cover. Fans hate it when other people accuse the artists of being a cover singer/band. I think it’s less about plagiarism, but more about fans’ pride. 

  202. SM artists as far as i know,some of them do write their own songs and stuff.but i barely heard any compliments even from their fans let alone the company. Like, have u ever heard of how fans/company appreciating the DBSK’s boys talent in making song/composing when they’re 5 of them years ago? It’s rather a shame. and see how now the JYJ being recognized as musician/song-writer/composer? 

     Well, at least,unlike some other companies where their artists talent in making music, writing song being recognized by both company and their fans. anyhow, it’s not all necessary for the artist to write & create their very own music,but sometimes, company like SM, a multi-million dollar company should really thinking on investing into that area,like seriously..and i knew quite a bit that some of SNSD’s also trying into that area (composing,etc) . SM should give their artists chance and ensure the talents being appreciated.

  203. The naysayers’ argument might be more valid if there were actually more originality in K-Pop, and SM licensing songs is somehow diluting it.  That’s the thing, though:  there isn’t.   It’s hilarious that some posters here are talking about YG’s artists are “in control” of their own music, when personally, the reason I don’t like them as much is because their “original” songs sound more Western/American than most other K-Pop.  I’ll take the licensed-from-Denmark “Hoot” over something that sounds like reheated Black Eyed Peas, Justin Timberlake, or U2.

    • I totally agree. As I said in my previous comment, idol-based KPop, for me at least, is crap music to begin with, and shouldn’t be over-analyzed, nor taken seriously.

      Just take it at face value and have fun listening to it.

    • I was a fan of YG’s music prior to Big Bang exploding the market with their “new” version of hip hop. Listen to Big Bang’s first three singles and compare it to their electropop hiphop they have going on now. There is nothing original about that. Stuff like 1TYM and Lexy were good because it wasn’t so dependent on autotune and recycled beats x_x;.

    • Don’t get me wrong, I believe in Kpop having their own sound, but to be quite honest, no Kpop sound is immune to Western/American influences. While Korean music is all its own, what’s so great about it, is that it cultivates some western concepts of music (Ex. rapping, which nearly ALL male kpop groups have) What YG is doing is taking that same idea and turning it on its side. So to listeners like you, it appears they are copying or rehashing sounds, but to listeners like me, when I hear “Love Song”, I;m hear something that a westerner can familiarize with but all the same acknowledge its clear identity from western music, just like I had before when 1TYM or Jinusean were big. Should we fault Seo Taiji (who is considered the spark for Kpop amongst others like H.O.T.) because of his VERY Hip-hop tracks in the early 90s? It’s ultimately what lead us into this tapestry of Korean music today.

      I understand your argument, but like everything, there are two sides.

  204. well actually, lately SM ent. have been using more of other songs because apparently they’ve been found to be in a small financial crisis since the JYJ matter, so because buying a song and just slightly redoing it costs less money, I believe this is why they did it, even for SHINee and SNSD who have had their Japanese debuts (well SHINee has it now) rather than taking new songs they redid old songs, it’s a great strategy when you want to ensure popularity and at the same time lost money!
    I don’t know maybe I’m just making this all up (I’m only an unprofessional 16 year old girl) but I still think that what I said here makes sense… correct me if I’m wrong tho :)))

  205. Is it any better that Big Bang sample American artists like Jennifer Lopez or Son Dam Bi remixes a Kylie Minogue song?

    At least SMent is PAYING for the songs they use. I’m not so sure about other companies and artists. 

  206. initially i have always thought that an artist/band should write their own songs..and in my opinion,that’s considered true musician because you DO KNOW about music and you really put your effort into creating a new song and brings out messages in the song. i have always dislike artiste whose physical appearance and fashion are the one who made them popular instead of their quality of their songs who made them popular.. because it made me feel that they just sing the songs given to them and doing all without sincerity..
     
    but after watching this video, i do agree that this is now the singers do not fit the traditional ideas of musicians for example like Micheal Jackson who wrote so many songs himself.. it’s like even though the songs are not written by them, but they do make an effort in making the music videos and singing the songs with their own ‘feel’ in it.. 

    i have always asked myself,

    HOW DO YOU DEFINE A GOOD SINGER/BAND?
    i am always torn between my answers >.<

    what's your opinion simon and martina?

  207. I agree with you. They deserve more than just passed on songs. Funny thing is that SM doesn’t need to hire anybody cause they have damn good producers(=songwriters) who wrote hit songs like Rising Sun, U, Mirotic, Nu ABO, Sorry Sorry and Lucifer. I don’t understand why they aren’t doing their job.

  208. KPop is highly manufactured. From their looks, to their clothes, even the songs. “Song buying” is not illegal and is very much the norm in mainstream music. Whether it be in Korea, the Philippines, or anywhere else where you can find pop music. Also, people seem to be not very familiar with hip-hop. If you’d notice, some hip-hop songs have some lines, melodies, or in some cases, whole phrases/choruses sampled from other songs.

    It just becomes an issue when the song was bought from a foreign songwriter. I guess most people just aren’t aware that buying songs is the usual case for major record labels. And it is no different from paying a songwriter to write a song specifically tailored to a certain group(I refuse to call KPop groups bands). And if SM did want to have songs that “fit” a certain group, then all they have to do is to change up some lyrics and it’s done.

    I think SM just has more international contacts that’s why they are able to outsource songs instead of relying on local songwriters to make songs for their artists. Think of Will.I.Am working with 2NE1. It wouldn’t be much different. This is me assuming, but I guess it has some basis based on my experience with the local music industry here in the Philippines; Will.I.Am has songs/music pre-written then makes slight adjustments to fit 2NE1. It’s basically the same as buying a song from a foreign songwriter.

    One of the reasons why I believe there’s so much “hate” is because well, SM has the most artists with the most haters. It’s that simple.

    I think people just over-analyze KPop too much. I personally believe that KPop is “crap music” to begin with. But don’t get me wrong. I enjoy listening to KPop (I am a SONE myself, but not a dumb SONE, but an objective SONE. I see SNSD’s faults), but I strongly believe that KPop should be taken at face value. Anything above that is just a waste.

    • “It just becomes an issue when the song was bought from a foreign songwriter” ~ sorry,but i dont think that’s the issue,buying the song from foreign songwriter is completely different from buying a song that already being sung by other artist somewhere else,and make it ur own. i think that’s what’s Simon & Martina’s tryin to say

      • As said by Simon and Martina themselves. The songs were sung as DEMOS. Not as actual releases. So it’s no different to the songwriter asking a friend of his/hers to record the song he made for the purpose of marketing it to different record labels.

    • agreed. kpop music isn’t deep, it’s purely for entertainment, and heck they do a pretty great job at it. But if you’re looking for something deep and enriching for your life kpop isn’t it. Don’t get me wrong, I love kpop :) but I also enjoy opera and classical just as much :)

  209. Haha! When you mentioned votes I kinda flashed back to Music Mondays too. Nice shirt btw Simon. *thumbs up*.
    Ok so on the topic of purchasing songs, I don’t mind it. Hey an entertainment company’s job is to entertain. I feel that they do that. As long as they give the proper credit where it is due, I don’t feel there is an issue.

  210. I agree with the devil here.
    I feel AWFUL for the other artists everytime I check an original version of a song and there are millions of comments like ‘I prefer ____’s version’, ‘Ew, ___ does this way better’.

  211. To me, as long as I like the song, it doesn’t matter if the
    song was already done by another artist or is an original song. As long as you
    like it, it shouldn’t matter. Nowadays, it is hard to find popular foreign
    artists, be it Asian, European, or American; who sing songs that mean something
    to them. Lately it’s been all about putting out song after song to appease the
    masses and make more money. When it comes down to it, money is the biggest
    issue. It doesn’t matter to them if the song is original or remake, just as
    long as it makes them money. Not the artist but the company that produces the
    artist. I got into Asian music through Jpop, mostly Hello Project. I can say
    that majority of their songs, though mostly original, hold no emotion for the
    artists. In this generation you have to find artists who are not very well
    known, or have not been signed by a company to find music that has true
    meaning. As for the wars on artists with people liking a remake of a song and
    people liking the original song, it’s kind of a pointless argument. Some people
    will like the original, some will like the remake, and some will like both.
    What people need to realize, and what it comes down to, is that not everyone
    likes the same thing. It’s all a matter of taste and opinion. Though as long as
    there are remakes of songs this whole stupid war on artists will continue. All
    in all, it comes back to your own personal opinion. Some people like the
    remakes, some don’t and people just have to realize that. And honestly, as long
    as a company has money to buy songs off other artists, things like this will
    continue to happen. We just need to accept it. 

  212. Nicely said you two, and though I’m SMEnt bias when it comes to my preference of the stars (I mean, SJ & SHINee are both #1 & #2 in my most favorite Kpop artists of all), but I have to say I agree with you when it comes to wanting original products for them. Though to me, their reproduced products are good, yet yes, I have that feeling of wanting they made great music like YG. (to me, SM is all about variety, while YG is all about quality, and I love Beast & I think JYP music is good as well, so I’m not taking any side, in general.)

    I was worried actually when you said that you’ll be making a video on SME buying OTHERS music. Seriously worried. But then again, as I said, you two had been fairly objective here.

    But for the songs that were originally produced by them (or the songs that weren’t taken from others), I think you should credit those songs. Yoo Youngjin, he produced a number of SME hits, and I really hope that people would talk about him, give credit to him. I mean “Purple Line”, “Sorry,Sorry”, “Ring Ding Dong”, “Lucifer”, those were awesome songs.

    And I also agree about their English being a biiiiiiiit awkward, but they (the lyrics) might not bug me as much as they bug you, as I’m not a native English speaker.

    Okay, enough said. (since when did I care to comment this much?)

    p/s: Though I’m a new fan, but I love you Martina & Simon!

  213. SME’s founder Lee Soo Man has built a whole concept of “Culture Technology”, which he introduced recently. It kind of shows why SME does the things it does. Basically, it puts most of its effort into creating artists, not music. After training an entertainer, they buy foreign-made songs in order to be able to appeal to a larger audience. SME’s main goal is to produce a marketable hit, even if it involves buying a song, or employing the same author (e.g. Yoo Young-Jin) over and over again.
    For me personally it doesn’t matter. I’m in Kpop mainly because of the artists. 

  214. in my opinion, I think buying songs are better than
    plagiarized song. If the songs have been bought from the song writer
    even if it was used buy other artist but as long as the company get the
    song legally, I don’t see anything wrong to use that song.

    And if the company hired the song writers to write the song
    “Originally For the K-Pop Artist”, how do we know that the song wasn’t
    plagiarized? (See Lee Hyori’s last album as the example)

    For me, I concern only how good that they can perform and how good that the sing the song and the song wasn’t plagiarized from other artist, because even if the song is not fresh but the emotion of the artist in every single performance is real. I think I’d be happy with that.

  215. i think i more prefer singer or a korean song writer like BIGBANG!!!^^  i think is good to write the own song for their own group rather then buying others’song. when they write their own song they like telling their story to fans and songs not only to entertain to comfort our feeling. it keep a close contact with fans and the artist.   i love YG!!!!^^

  216. I agree with pretty much everything said here, I’d just like to add one thing.

    What really ticks me about SM buying all these songs is not so much the lack of genuine feelings. I think generally pop artists will buy songs or have others write for them. That isn’t to say that all pop stars do, but I’d assume the majority does. What really ticks me about SM buying songs is that they do it in lack of faith.

    Lee SooMan held a seminar talking about his business, and admitted that he feels that a song written by a Korean songwriter wouldn’t have global appeal and therefore wouldn’t be able to make it on the market. As a Big Bang and GD fan, I have to disagree. YG Entertainment has produced a ton of Korean songs with definite global appeal.  How can SM Ent. so surely say that a song written by a Korean songwriter won’t sell without really trying?

    SM has done this over and over again, buying songs that have been released in some form. It just makes it awkward, hearing over and over again who did it better. I’m sure there are tons of artists under SM’s label who would love the chance to write and compose, but only get the chance to do so once in a blue moon, if at all. It just feels like, “look, we bought this pretty new song for you. It doesn’t matter if you like it or not, it’s going to spread the hallyu wave, so get to work.”

  217. It’s not like SM Artists don’t write their own songs … many of them do. It’s just that it’s ridiculously hard for them to please SME enough to make their lyrics into a song. Onew tried may times before his song “The Name I Loved” was created. :/ 
    it’s a bit sad ~

  218. Well, you gotta consider though that “Hot Summer” had been a fully released song which was a great summer hit not only in Germany, but abroad too, in Turkey for example. I live in Germany, so I can confirm that we freaking LOVED “Hot Summer” by our girls who had won a casting show. And since I had spent my summer in Turkey at my relatives, I can also confirm that it had aired there on the national music channels (quite to my pleasure, since I don’t like Turkish pop at all). When I found out that the f(x) girls were covering the song, I was incredibly shocked, to be honest. I’m not sure if you’d trust me or not, but I was flabbergasted and enraged. THIS is not what I want. I know SM did the same with DBSK for “Mirotic” when they covered the German singer Sarah Connor. If you know those songs before hand, well, to me it just gives off an awkward feeling. 

    • But let’s not forget that SM’s target audience is Koreans (and, to a lesser degree, the rest of Asia), who wouldn’t necessarily have heard Monrose’s version.  Sure, it may be awkward for you and other Europeans who heard it the first time around, but for the real audience, and even other foreigners like Americans who’ve never even heard of Monrose, it’s no big deal.

  219. Those boy bands girl bands in Korea are sort of puppets. They are given songs, given conceptualized images, and trained how to dance and sing.
    I don’t think there’s any point discussing puppets’ musicality- just enjoy the show.There are better musicians in Korea who are actually in control of their own music. It’ll be much more productive thinking about them instead.

    • Still, they are talented, most of them really have the talent, even if they don’t make their own music, just having the ability to dance really well and do a 2 hour concert while dancing exhausting choreographies and singing it’s quite difficult and not everyone can do that. Musicians who make their own music have talent too, but I don’t see them dancing so greatly and singing at the same time.

    • The fact is they dance on their own and sing on their own and do it well (most of them).  It’s not as though they have no talent because they don’t write the songs or compose the music.  Most artists don’t – in Korea or out of Korea.  It’s only more evident with Kpop.

    • The fact is they dance on their own and sing on their own and do it well (most of them).  It’s not as though they have no talent because they don’t write the songs or compose the music.  Most artists don’t – in Korea or out of Korea.  It’s only more evident with Kpop.

    • Singing and dancing (especially singing *while* dancing) is not easy. It annoys the pants off me when people say that anybody can do it, because guess what – they can’t!!

  220. I had no idea that this was an issue or was even going on. If there’s no stealing going on, then I don’t really see a problem. I agree that it’d be nice for SM to have bands who can write their own songs, but to me, I think it’s a tactic to have the bands rely on the company and not go solo. I don’t know, of course, this is just one guess.

    As for not writing all of their own songs, plenty of artists all over do/have done the same and their fans don’t seem to care. This includes Britney Spears (no surprise there), Michael Jackson, Rihanna, and Beyonce just to name a few. Does/did it take away from their ability to entertain their fans? Of course not, and it should be the same for these SM groups. At least, that’s how I feel.

    • I think it’s ok for pop artists to sometimes buy other  original music or hire a songwriter to write for them, but when it’s all they do it becomes less sincere and seems more manufactured. I agree that people like Britney Spears and Rihanna sometimes hire songwriters, but the fact remains that it’s not all the time. They sometimes do write their own songs. SME on the other hand always either buy original music or they hire songwriters. It’s very rarely that you hear about  SME artists who wrote their own songs, if at all. I think what people are saying, is that SME should allow their artists to contribute to the making of the songs and to allow them more involvement with the writing of the songs. That way, I feel they would be taken more seriously by foreign fans and also korean fans.

  221. hahaha omg i love the pie-shirt xD

  222. I want that shirt :’D hahaha, but yeah..I agree with “the devil”. I hate seeing on the original artists page saying well snsd did it better, or fx sounds way better than this, so yeah :’D

  223. I wonder if they get in trouble for calling themselves SM Entertainment as that’s one of the names of a Sony entity (Sony Music Entertainment).  In fact I thought this was a Sony label until I just looked it up.  So it appears even the name of their company isn’t original.  The fact is, it’s likely more expensive to hire a writer then buy a song – this is probably how they can get by.  With all the pirating of music, etc. they probably aren’t making tons of money.  The music business is more about the business aspect then the creative aspect.  Yes, f(x) deserves their own songs but it just might not be feasible fiscally.

    • it was originally founded by Lee Soo Man, thus SM being the name of the creator. however, now it simply stands for Star Museum (SM) Entertainment. they did not steal the name whatsoever.

      • It’s very similar to SME – Sony Music Entertainment.  It’s technically different but SM Entertainment can be easily confused for SME.  Why would anyone name their company so similar to an already established, large, worldwide company?  Perhaps Lee Soo Man didn’t take that similarity into consideration but still a bad business move, IMO

    • Most of the big Korean entertainment agencies are named after their “founders” like Jinyoung Park has JYP, Yanggoon (aka Yang Hyun Suk) has YG, and Sooman Lee has SM. I’m guessing there’s no issue since Sony usually just utilizes “Sony” for their labels.

  224. You know what I find amusing? SMent audition songwriters aswell in the SMent auditions.

  225. “Is it just us, or aren’t songs supposed to represent how a musician feels?”
    Only to the same extent that movies are supposed to represent the actors’ real lives.

    Let’s face it; music–especially pop music–is about performers, and the “genuineness” of the songs’ thoughts and ideas is an illusion we create for ourselves; some musicians might make a deal about how it’s their own feelings when it’s a song they’ve written, but in the end, each performance, they’re simply “acting out” those feelings. Let’s judge the performances, not how “real” the words actually are to the performers.

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