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The South Korean Ferry Tragedy

April 24, 2014

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The following blog post might be a little scatterbrained due to the difficulty of handling this topic. For those of you that don’t know, on April 16th, 2014 while heading to Jeju from Incheon, the Sewol Ferry capsized and sunk while carrying 476 people, mostly secondary school students from Danwon High School located in Ansan City. Around 150 people managed to escape the ferry, but the rest remained trapped in the ship. Divers are still entering the boat but at this point it is no longer seen as a rescue mission, but instead a mission to retrieve the bodies and bring them back to their grieving families.

We, like most people, feel very helpless about the ferry disaster since all we can do is sit and watch the tragic events unfold. We’ve felt hope that people could be rescued at first, and then we lost that hope with every passing day. The families, schools, and friends of all those on the ferry will never be the same again, and this giant loss of life will continue to negatively affect all those touched by this event even after the bodies are found and laid to rest.

We also know this horrible loss has affected many people around the world, not just those living in Korea. Martina and her mom have been exchanging emails and text messages everyday, and even though Martina’s mom isn’t in Korea she, along with Martina, have shed many tears over this tragic loss of life. We mentioned briefly in the video that we have two close friends that lived in Ansan and taught students at those schools, and they are total emotional wrecks. They’ve already attended over three funerals in one day and as we talk to them on the phone it’s clear how helpless they feel as well.

Even though we’re geographically closer than most people are to the scene of the incident, we are in many ways still in the dark. I’ve even heard it said from some people that international coverage of the event is more accurate and have been given examples of such. We’ve been reading a lot of the news about what’s happening. Different news portals, even different forums, all are posting about what’s happening. And every day, some nugget of info we got from the day before dissipates, and new morsels of info are given to us, but we’re a lot more skeptical to bite.

For us, we can read about it and think about it all we want, but we can’t really talk about it publicly. Why? Because we don’t want to be spreading false information. We’re not a news channel. They can easily get their stories wrong and then just go back on air and apologize, rinse and repeat, but us posting videos on YouTube isn’t the same. Once our video’s out there, there’s no Ctrl+Z button. It’s really difficult to undo. And we’re aware that our audience is a bit bigger than that of an online forum, so we’d rather be really careful about something as sensitive as this. Does that make sense? I’m not sure. I just really don’t want to do what the media’s doing, but I want to be able to talk about what’s happening as well, and to explain how serious it is here in South Korea now as a result.

If any of you do know a good charity or something we can donate to, please let us know. We’ve been looking on our end, but it’s really difficult to vet an organization for this. There are bad people out there, some of whom are taking advantage of this situation. I’m not saying not to trust anyone. I’m just asking to be a bit more cautious. We’ll keep you updated if we find any way that anyone can help.

Tomorrow we’re posting a happier video. It’s not of us being silly and goofing around and being insensitive at this time. It’s actually a very big announcement we’re going to make. Perhaps the biggest of our YouTube lives. I know at this time it’s tough to be happy, but hopefully tomorrow we can make some people smile, which is – really – all we hope to do with these videos. If we pass on bits of information along the way as well, fantastic. Most of the time, though, we just want to have fun and make you guise laugh with us as well.

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  1. My heart goes out to everyone affected by this tragedy and to all of South Korea as they grief the loss of so many.

    3 years ago
  2. I would like the entire process redone to include the tilting of the ship but not on water. Timing and everything. Obviously not several hundred people on board. Would asking the passengers to move be more dangerous at the angle the ship was at causing panic? Would it have realistically evacuated the ship? This is starting to remind me of the K drama the King and I where everyone, their boss, they coworkers, and their family are blamed for something that wasn’t everyone’s fault. Maybe just a few people or completely made up to blame the cause of something awful on. I appreciate their need to keep people in country for investigation and even protection from suicide attempts. And freeze funds. But they are even going after the guys grandkids who are abroad. What on a earth would the grandkid in another country know about a specific ferry? I don’t know why there is this notion that the rescuers, off the ship, botched anything? Just cause not everyone survived means they did anything wrong. In fact one diver died and where is the support for his family? Maybe there were no dry air pockets? I don’t think the crew was responsible for the sinking. Perhaps the evacuation. Time and clear thinking will see if they were trying to minimize injuries or just not brave enough. If my steering wheel has a defect and they altered my car and they messed up my airbags only allowing for the drivers side to deploy and I go off the road and the car rolls it is not my fault the manufacturer didn’t have that passenger airbag to protect my passenger or that I went off the road cause the steering messed up or that the car rolled because of the changes to the car that made it too high and not able to handle a typical turn. It is also not my fault for surviving. What if I told the person not to move I’d get help and then the car burst into flames. I was trying to prevent a neck injury by not moving them. They might have survived without breaking their neck or further injury if I had tried to peel them from the car, but my intentions were not malicious and it was a reasonable thing to wait for help. Will being out for blood from everyone make anyone feel better?

    I did wonder if it was the do as your told culture that made so many remain in their cabin, presumably. But in the US during an emergency you are supposed to follow instructions. In fact not following directions on a plane could result in a not so pleasant conversation with agents and arrest. So I think in North America many would have followed instructions too long and perish. I wonder if that made teachers less likely to counter the orders since they were not their kids. If something had happened to those children and they were shown not to follow orders then there would be anger and punishment.

    3 years ago
  3. When you mentioned that this accident does not speak about the whole of the country, I completely agree. I came across this article that I found to be worth the read, and urge those who are interested in the Korean culture to do so: http://sweetpicklesandcorn.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/the-wests-confucian-confusion-how-more-confucianism-might-have-saved-the-sewol/

    Having been brought up by Chinese parents, lived with traditional grandparents, and taught in Korea for a year, I know falial piety and how it works within many situations, and I think the adults really have let the children down with all that they’ve done (or haven’t). Deepest condolences aside, I wish that investigation will continue to find out the reason for the ship to capsize, because it feels that there’s more of a back story than a third mate making the wrong turn. There needs to be better media coverage about this. But I have a hunch that the poor media coverage may or may not have to do with what some people want to hide with this accident (use of a ship unfit for sail, off-the-record renovations that may have caused the ship to be unbalanced, incompetence of ship examinations, etc…)(though none of that may be true, sources from BBC News).

    Regardless, my heart mourns with those who mourn over the loss of their brother, sister, daughter, son, father, mother, teacher, guardian, respected elder, and so on. And I hope that the truth in its entirety comes to light soon. Take care Simon and Martina, Soozee and Leigh, Spudgy and Meemers).

    3 years ago
  4. I would have commented earlier, but I am having compy issues. Simon, this was a great video, I was hoping/waiting for it and it was heartwarming that you had the courage to do it. I can tell from how choppy the editing is that it was really difficult to deliver, you did well, my friend. I’m on the other side of the world and this tragedy is completely heart-rending, I have shed many tears and I don’t know a mother in town that hasn’t. To lose your child like this, to know not only that your child died, but that they were scared and maybe even alone and helpless is a parent’s worst nightmare. That it was obviously preventable just makes me foam at the mouth in anger and disgust. Keep strong and give lots of hugs. I hope that you feel better soon Martina.

    3 years ago
  5. This whole thing reminds me of an old case study I had in my international management class, where Korean airlines had a huge problem with their airplanes having more accidents then all other airlines. So they checked the black box and it was found that because Korean culture strongly believes in respecting older people, the young co-pilot was busy trying to be polite to the pilot rather than telling the pilot his altitude was too low, which resulted in the crash. This was later fixed in the pilot training programs for Korean pilots.

    This whole ferry thing makes me wonder if there was a first mate who could have done something, but was busy being polite. Also the students were probably just doing as they were told, and they may have ended up dead because of it. All in all its just so sad, I wish one of the students or teachers went against trusting the ferryman and actually said something or did something. Maybe they did and we don’t know it yet.

    I feel like listening to minority report (the pillows) now….

    3 years ago
  6. It is very sad and I feel for all of those that are affected even in the 3rd party context as I too am going through my own problems. I also feel and understand about the mass media. They lie alot in order for things to run a certain way which is horrible. For example, here in the UK there’s been alot of racism going on and the local and mass media have homed in on it and made it worse so that certain parties in government will become more popular. Also tragedies here can be covered over and truths hidden or altered…. This I know can and has happened to all mass media around the world so I tend not to watch so much and figure out the truth by myself.

    As for CNN and FOX debate i’m gonna have to say both twist truths and I don’t trust either. Especially this morning here in the UK about russian “bomber plane” near our boarders being “chased” away by our planes… Truth is a Russian observer plane was nearby but respected our boarders and was escorted side by side with our planes… Can you see how much difference there is to the meanings and how much negativity it causes when mass media get hold of information?

    So yea… There’s me going on. :P

    So yea. In essence I feel for all those in the disaster and advise not to believe in everything that is being said in mass media. :)

    3 years ago
  7. Thank you for the 2vs.1 — I know it is not related but this has helped out my family for the Sewol Ferry Accident. I’m at the receiving end and my parents barely found out about it three days ago when I told them about it after finding out through several kpop blog sites.
    None of my relatives in S.Korea did not call to us in the U.S. either but I hope that is a good sign that none of my cousins were in the accident. So far everything is in the clear.
    2 vs. 1 is helping a lot for my parents who are still in shock that this has happened. We are still scrambling for information because we have yet to hear from our close friends and how they are doing.
    So in conclusion,

    —–Even though there are spiteful people on the Internet,

    ————1. we are grateful for those who are helping at the site right now

    ————2. and that there are human beings not just staring at a glowing screen and looking for scandals about the event but going out there and taking action in this time

    Thank y’all seriously for posting this video up.

    3 years ago
  8. Think you did a wonderful job of informing the seriousness of this topic without stating stuff without hard facts. I truly hope everyone who is related to this tragic event finds peace of mind soon.

    3 years ago
  9. My parents have been talking about this non-stop, especially because my cousin’s a tutor that teaches many students in the Ansan district. I don’t think any of her students were victims of the tragedy, but it’s still deeply affected her because she really loves her students and just the thought of something happening to them without her being able to help them really breaks her heart.

    I turned the news on this morning and there was a photo of the countless memorials outside of the highschool but what really got me most was the empty classrooms and desks. Just… so many. Like, ROOMS of empty classrooms and desks. I can’t imagine being a staff-member or student of that school where over a hundred students just disappeared one day (apparently the vice-principal supposedly in charge of the trip killed him/herself). Things like this just shouldn’t be happening to anyone.

    Can’t even think about the captain without feeling sick to my stomach.

    3 years ago
  10. My parents told me that the ship Sewol was a ship they got from Japan but like 20 years ago that same ship model sunk. I don’t understand why Korea would buy from Japan, see that new, then actually decide its a good idea to use it!
    I’m so frustrated not cuz the news is doing a bad job but because of the poor choices they decided to make before this event.
    Not only is the ship a faulty ship but they also overloaded the ship cargo and decided to take a “shortcut” in the route that the makes the driver of the ship take sharp turns which delodged the ship cargo.
    I don’t know if this is completely true but this is from my parents who have been talking to relatives who had children who knew the students from the school class that went on the trip.

    This is not a judgement of Korea but somethings, these situations are just so frustrating that it makes me think that its just unfair that so many people had to pay for the mistakes of the upper people cuz they “know what theyre doing”… >:(

    3 years ago
  11. I feel so helpless.

    3 years ago
  12. This whole thing is just so upsetting; when I found out what had happened, I was shattered. These were just kids who deserved so much more out of life, it all seems so unfair. I also wish there was something we could do to reach out and help those affected by this tragedy. If you happen to find out any organizations we can go through to offer assistance, you’ll let all us Nasties know, right?

    3 years ago
  13. I find the difficulty on what to do charitywise common. Remember how the Red Cross collected way too much blood to store and ended up tossing some of it? Remember the controversy about whether all money collected should go to families or for future tragedies? Now you petty much know once they raise the amount for a given operation funds will go to the next needed project. People want to do something. It’s healthy for their healing to do something productive. But so many volunteers felt useless, and way more packages arrived from people than a few hundred families could possibly use. I think lessons will be learned and going forward a process will be in place.

    Was that 6 year old boy found whose sister was rescued in the beginning. I feel only the students are talked about.

    I wish parents had been nicer to the vice principal.

    Our Lady of the Angels fire in the 1950’s in Chicago cause fire codes to be written and followed through on after 95 people died in an elementary school, mostly children. Perhaps this will be a similar call to action?

    3 years ago
    • I’ve thought a lot about Our Lady of the Angels since this happened. Mostly I’ve been thinking about how it affected fire codes nationwide (it’s why all schools have regular fire drills and a fire alarm system connected directly to the fire department) but also how it affected the city even decades later. It was 55 years ago and to this day people take reverential tones when talking about it. Especially people who were old enough to remember it when it happened. On Grandparents Day my student’s grandmother visited the classroom and immediately started asking me about our fire procedure. Then she said, “I went to Our Lady of the Angels you see.” And that was all she needed to say. I feel like the same thing is going to be the case for the survivors of this tragedy.

      3 years ago
  14. They were evacuating only for some floors it was impossible. They couldn’t get past the floor where the plane was burning to exit out the ground level. There were cases of people saying they were alive after the building collapse that proved to be false.

    Yes the school shooting in the US had them ID the brother instead of the real gunman, said the mom worked in the school, suggested the office buzzed him in. All wrong. And devastatingly wrong.

    I can’t think of a single boat capsizing where divers have been able to immediately enter and pull out survivors. At a later point a few people found alive in a unique area with an air pocket. What good is the cause of death? They could have passed because of the cold water and been in an air pocket for only 2 hours. Two hours isn’t enough time to secure the site and get crews in there to find people. What is interesting is the news still sounding so optimistic about survivors past day 3. I’m not so sure the people mad at the response have realistic idea of what can and can’t be done.

    I don’t know how you evacuate a ship where the floor is inclined 45 degrees? Vests on was wise advice. Remaining in the cabin was awful. Given what we think we know about the cargo, water design after the ship was altered and the steering report of problems a few weeks before the disaster I am feeling a lot more sympathy toward the crew and a lot of anger at the owners.

    3 years ago
    • The dead had on vests. They had almost twice the amount of vests on board.

      What I find odd is ferries have sleeping cabins? My familiarity is they are used for short distances, not trips where anyone would need to sleep, except for the crew.

      Cargo and people don’t belong together. What is really sad is how inexpensive it is to fly and how it is not a long flight. But the school and families probably felt flying more dangerous.

      3 years ago
  15. The only charity I’ve heard mentioned in connection to this tragedy is the Red Cross. When idols give gifts, they always give to the Red Cross.

    3 years ago
  16. I watch the regular news here in America, but I don’t trust any of it. With the Malaysian Airlines flight they were practically screaming “Terrorism!”, which was actually one of the least likely possibilities. I watch the Phillip Defranco Show because I find his information credible. I’ll put the link down below if it would help. He starts talking about the tragedy at 6:10. Apparently what happened was the captain was going far too fast and turned too harshly, causing the ship to tilt and sink. What really makes me want to punch a wall though are the actions of the captain and the crew of that ship. All I can think of is how many people, whether it be 2 or 200, could have been saved in those 30+ minutes when they told them to stay where they were. Apparently if convicted, he only faces 5 years in jail.

    My hearts go out to the families, the friends, the teachers, to anyone suffering because of this tragedy. As a New Yorker, though I was not present when 9/11 happened, so many people around me were affected by this tragedy and I can only imagine what it’s like in Korea right now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saZHk8GBbEI&list=PLHcsGizlfLMWpSg7i0b9wnUyEZWI-25N3

    3 years ago
  17. This incident is really soul crushing and the fact that facts are not being reported truthfully is making it all the worse. I can’t even imagine how hard this is on the parents and teachers….Thank you for covering the topic even though it was hard to do and I hope the bodies are all found. It always breaks my heart when parents have to burry or cremate an empty casket….they should at least have that last good bye…..

    3 years ago
  18. I work at a newsstand, so I read a lot of upsetting and disappointing news on the front pages of papers almost every day. But none of them have ever upset me this much. I keep checking online articles every day to see any new developments. And even though it’s so incredibly unlikely, I am still hoping for that shred of a miracle – that maybe some of them were able to survive somehow. Although I know how nearly impossible that is, I still can’t help but try to hope. I am under the delusion that if there’s even just a shred of hope left, maybe there can still be a miracle…

    3 years ago
  19. What I don’t understand is how people can judge others for not grieving “properly”. There are different ways people grieve and not all of them consist of having a long face. Often people will smile more and laugh louder while grieving inside. And comedy can often help them deal with the negative emotions they are feeling.

    3 years ago
  20. Are you referring to the Eastland disaster? That happened very long ago, but I thought of that when this happened. Every school kid in Chicago knows about the Eastland. They weren’t just close to the harbor, they were in port, tethered to the dock, and all anyone on shore could do was watch. Horrible, horrible story.

    3 years ago
  21. your post made me tear up. Thank you so much for the update, i am glad there are some people even thought your not new’s people are giving us proper facts about whats going on even thought you don’t know all the facts yourselfs. My heart goes out to all the families and people who knew these students. I wish i could do something, but all i can do is pray for these families.

    3 years ago
  22. This has been heavily covered in US news. I know some may not agree, but absolutely everyone I know knows all about it, which is telling. My mother’s response has been to yell (with intensity) I.DON’T.WANT.TO.TALK.ABOUT.IT. whenever anyone has mentioned it. Same thing from several people I work with. They’re not saying they don’t want to talk about it because they’re uninterested, they’re saying they don’t want to talk about it because it’s so devastating that they can’t even cope with the horror of it. And this is the reaction from people thousands of miles away with no relation to the country or the victims. Knowing that, I can’t even imagine how awful it must be in South Korea right now.

    3 years ago
  23. a) That’s unlikely. If you watch Martina’s “Draw My Life” video, she talks about how she has a serious medical condition where her joints are very weak and dislocate easily (I might not be completely correct; you should watch the video to get complete details).

    b) ‘YouTube’ life. Simon said the biggest thing in their ‘YouTube’ life.

    c ) This blogpost isn’t about S&M. It’s about the lives of the people who were onboard the Sewol ship, their families, the media, and the nation of Korea as a whole.

    3 years ago
    • Could we stop the speculation? You don’t fully understand her condition, you don’t live with it, so in my opinion, you shouldn’t have an opinion about someone else’s lifestyle. Just because she shared her condition and how it has made her, and how her positive attitude overcomes it does not mean you understand Simon and Martina’s personal lives, nor her condition. You wouldn’t blatantly make an opinion if one of your friends was sick and didn’t know the details, why should you deconstruct and make an opinion about someone’s life you don’t know?

      3 years ago
  24. I was out of the country when this happened and when I finally was able to catch up with the news, I was very heartbroken. It actually kind of reminds me a little bit of the Newtown shootings and the reactions that came out from people afterwards. I live nearby and know that instead of spreading reliable information, news outlets had a field day and turned what should have been a somber, sensitive time into a media circus. I know that they were two different types of tragedies but they are both incidents that resulted in the loss of schoolchildren and the teachers who cared for them. I know that this is a very difficult time, but stay strong. One thing that is worth considering is that there is A Plan. It seems like a callous thing to say during times of hardship(I would know because I’ve felt that way) but it can also be comforting to know that we all have a part and that in the end everything will be judged accordingly and taken care of.

    3 years ago
  25. what????? when was this and what incident was it???
    was it recent? where was this in the US?

    3 years ago
  26. It was rumoured 10 years, but that’s still not enough.
    I hope he gets executed…Korea still executes people, from what I know.
    Just not in the manner of North Korea.

    3 years ago
  27. It’s very sad to hear all this, Im praying for all the families of the victims and for that everyone will get the truth of the situation because I know how frustrating it can be to hear information on things then hear that it isn’t true. I don’t know much of what happened but I do know it happened and now the people involved have to try and pick up where they left off.

    3 years ago
  28. Like so many people, I am so horrified at what happened. My heart goes out to those families and to those poor people. I was doing okay until I saw Simon almost crying and now I don’t know how I’m gonna buck up and go to work. Simon, please tell your friends that we’re praying for them over here in Japan and when you find a good charity to donate too, I’ll put that out on the JET grapevine in Japan. Take care of your selves and make sure to hug Martina, Sooze, Leigh and the fuzzballs extra tight today.

    3 years ago
  29. I’ve been praying for the victims and their families since I heard about the ferry disaster last week. I will keep on praying. Thanks for doing a TL;DR on that topic. It was good to get an update beyond what the international media has been saying. I hope Martina feels better soon.

    3 years ago
  30. Well, the US can’t assist until they are requested to assist. They even rerouted a navy ship (which I’m sure you already know) to the site. Also, they did have people standing by to help. Had there been American citizens on the ferry, the US government would have scrambled every resource they had to help, but they really had to obligation to. The Russians and Japanese also offered assistance, but the Korean government denied them as well. Yes, I believe the situation would have been much better if the Korean government accepted help from everyone who offered. Actually, I’m not surprised that the Korean government declined Shinzo Abe’s offer after the comfort women scandal. But the closest US military base is in Daegu, which is still fairly far.

    3 years ago
  31. So many young lives taken, but even the President of South Korea said that everything was that captain and crews fault. :(
    Speaking of which, President Obama will be here tomorrow and he issued a statement last week saying a majority of his trip here will be to offer assistance and condolences. This may just be a public relations thing, or perhaps he actually cares…? Oh, and I saw some news coverage on KBS on how the actual owner of the ferry has ten houses and even owns a whole town in France. I’m not sure how truthful this actually is. Does anyone know?

    3 years ago
    • Who the fuck actually cares when people’s lives have been lost? None of that gossip shit matters. Sorry to be blunt, but it’s disgusting. Hundreds of precious lives were lost that affects the whole world. These victims need to be remembered and grieved about- how can you grieve when you’re fucking gossiping? Sorry, just pisses me off.

      3 years ago
      • You don’t think I care about this? I’ve been glued to the TV for the past week watching all the false/sensationalist news reports. I’m sorry I didn’t sound more heartfelt on my comment, but I feel like it’s a given to feel devastated about this tragedy. I don’t want to keep mentioning it since everyone else seems to be. And please, calm down. You didn’t have to get so angry about me trying to confirm things I’ve been hearing on the news. As Simon said, most of it is false and I just want to know the whole story. *Sigh* Why bother. You’re just going to send me another angry comment after this anyway.

        3 years ago
  32. It’s so terrible that all those kids have had to lose their lives because of the actions of irresponsible people. But that captain is just the worst. Aren’t captains supposed to do what they can to save everyone ELSE before themselves? Like, go down with the ship and all that if need be? Those people were putting their lives in the care of that captain, and he just got the hell out of dodge at first opportunity. I have to admit, had I been on the ferry, I would have done what I could to just gtfo the boat as fast as I could, but I also know that I would be a shit captain, and I would never take a position that put people in my care knowing that I couldn’t handle a situation like this.

    My condolences go out to all the families and people effected by this. Nothing can fix this or make it better, but hopefully people in charge somewhere will take away a lesson of not putting people’s lives at unnecessary risks. You can replace cargo, but you can’t replace lives.

    3 years ago
  33. How, just how did I not know about this? I mean sure, we had a racist shooting that killed a teenage boy and two others, and major highway shooting. But could that really Surpass that so much to just completely have this to be blocked out of my local news? I feel worse now than I would have because I was so unaware. My prayers are towards the schools who have lost so many lives, the families who have lost loved ones and friends who have lost a companion and especially to those who survived such a traumatizing event, the anguish they must feel. I know how each and every situation feels, and I can only hope things will heal well.

    3 years ago
  34. No, please stop it.

    3 years ago
  35. Simon, thank you for sharing this and for being so poignant and caring about the seriousness of the situation. It is frustrating to be in the states and feel like you’re not getting the full scope of an event happening overseas, but I can’t imagine how irritating it must be to be in the proximity of the event and be completely in the dark. I think what breaks my heart the most is the senseless loss of those children. As a teacher, I know the well being of my students is the most important thing of my day, and I would be devastated if anything were to happen to them. I
    Accidents happen, but if this could have been prevented then that is just more heartbreaking.

    3 years ago
  36. I’ve been following this story very closely every day and it’s just so upsetting. I don’t even want to start going into detail because I’ll never stop. I respect you guys for not posting videos, though, and understand the reason. I hope your friends are feeling better soon, and I hope all those lives lost are better off in the after-life. I truly do.

    Some other people I think we should be paying our respects to are the rescue divers, because imagine how they must be feeling. They’ve risked their lives trying to save these kids, and must’ve been so frustrated when they couldn’t. Now they’ve got the heavy task of entering cabins full of dead bodies of (mainly) children and pulling them out one by one. So thank you, rescue divers. You have possibly the most difficult task of all.

    As for charities, I don’t really know of any. The only thing I know about is some fandoms (B.A.P., EXO, Infinite etc.) doing charity work and handing things out, but I’m not sure how you can participate in this.

    3 years ago
    • I really hope that in the future people pay attention to the mental health of the divers and encourage them to seek counseling, because this is the kind of thing that can cause serious PTSD. My uncle was a New York City policeman and during the 9/11 recovery his precinct was used as a morgue. He saw some terrible things and needed to see a therapist for a little while after that. There is NO SHAME in that and it’s really important for the divers that they feel that it’s okay for them to do that.

      3 years ago
      • Yes, exactly! I think it’s also important for the survivors to seek counseling, but that one’s kind of a given – imagine how it must feel to know you’ve survived whilst your classmates haven’t. But yeah, the ones usually overlooked are the people like the divers and the policemen etc. because, in a way, they’re not “directly” connected to the tragedy, in our minds.

        3 years ago
  37. You did a very good job with this, Simon. It’s hard to talk about a tragic event, but i’m proud of you.

    3 years ago
  38. If it helps at all, there are many prayers and well-wishes coming from all of us all over the world, for South Korea. Such a terrible thing effects so many people and I at least hope those friends and families have a much support as possible to deal with this. Thanks Simon for showing how much you care.

    3 years ago
  39. The day I read that the ferry capsized hurt me. It also got me thinking how those students could have been saved if the right procedures were done, and how at the same time, if I were in that situation, what would I do.

    Watching how the media is covering this tragedy is frustrating. I’ve learnt about this in a class on deviance, that the media is involved with spreading news that can cause moral panic. At the same time, they can just pass anything off as news and get away with it. It’s annnoying that the news forgets to fact-check so much. I’m from Canada, and while I think most of the news sources fact check, they are still guilty at times for spreading moral panic, and focusing too little on some major news events.

    Hopefully, the missing can return.

    3 years ago
  40. what about the red cross, or the korea disaster relief association?

    3 years ago
  41. My condolences to the families, friends and everyone else affected by this :/
    it’s such an awful thing to happen
    i have read in quite a few articles that Park Shin Hye donated to the Korea Disaster Relief Association, and it says that this organisation is recognised by the government
    so i think maybe this is the organisation to send money to?

    3 years ago
  42. I always find it interesting how when a large accident happens, people who are not involved have to get sad and start letting it affect their lives and others. Why don’t we shutdown comedy shows everyday for the people who die everyday on an individual basis?

    Yes, I feel sorry for these families involved, but the only thing I get out of this situation is a disgust for people like the Captain. Granted, I think the idea that a Captain can’t leave the ship until everyone is off is absolutely inane. He should stay behind until the last possible moment, and if he can escape, fine; but I think it is wrong that anyone should expect someone to die on purpose. Granted, this captain was driving wrong, but as long as he had tried to help, I would have seen nothing wrong with him helping till he can help no more, then getting off the boat. Under the circumstances, it is definitely wrong and cowardly that he endangered people, told them to stay put, then left.

    Also find it interesting how everyone else but the media has respect for the families. Entertainment industry stops entertaining. News media starts putting together lies and broadcasting them as truth.

    3 years ago
  43. MEW

    So incredibly sad. My prayers go out to the families, friends, and anyone suffering from this tragedy. Like you said Simon, if you hear of anything we can do to help, please let us know.

    3 years ago
  44. I hope that the captain doesn’t get away with this. It is against Maritime law for the captain to abandon ship when passengers are still on board. They had 54 lifeboats and do you know how many were deployed? 1. The ship was obviously lost. Why weren’t they communicating? Why did a boy have to give up his lifejacket for someone because too few were administered? Why are people so focused on telling kids to stay put in emergencies like lockdowns and now stuff like this? I am sad and furious and beyond confused.

    3 years ago
  45. I’ve read your post. You two are sensitive and wise. I write my own post and feelings on the horrible disgusting event. My heart is so broken. The whole thing is confusing. There are a lot of questions needing to be answered. Someone needs to step on on some things. On the flip side, I can’t wait to hear your good news. I have an idea of what it might be hahah I hope it is anyway. :)

    3 years ago
    • What do you think the good news could be when they ready to post? Personally, I’m hoping it’s involvement with the 2018 Winter Olympics that will be in Peyongchang! It would be cool for them to play a major role in the build up for the event! Or perhaps a contest for a lucky nasty to attend the Games!

      3 years ago
      • Oh my goodness there are so many things it could be. But the one I’m thinking of I’ll keep quiet in case I’m wrong. I don’t want any wrong assumptions and such things getting out there. ;) The winter Olympics would sure be cool too! :) As I sit here thinking about the horrible events this past week and how there is still no end in sight as of yet, I look at my daughter who is the same age as those kids on the ferry and hold in another cry, I’ve given myself a couple of headaches doing that. I am ready to read any tidbit of good news.

        3 years ago
        • Speaking of sports for a moment. I was extremely disappointed in the K-League (Korea’s Top Soccer League) not postponing games this weekend. Sure they downplayed fan events and stuff like that. But they should have PPD. The games all together and reschedule them for a later date! They season just started and they have plenty of time to reschedule them coming up! They should have let them grieve with the entire country and perhaps the league coming together to help the families of the victims!

          3 years ago
        • I’m going to agree with you on that. Although I don’t know all the ins and outs of the sports world but it does seem odd that there weren’t as much acknowledgment from them as there is (seemingly) required from others in the mainstream spot light. I realize the world doesn’t stop when tragedy happens but still….

          3 years ago
  46. Is Martina pregnant?

    3 years ago
    • Omg! Didn’t even think about that! Now you’ve got all kinds of theories spinning in my head about the announcement.

      3 years ago
    • Lol, no. This always seems to be people’s first guess whenever we say that we have a big announcement :D

      3 years ago
      • Hi Simon and Martina!! I feel so happy and excited that you replied to my comment. Please forgive me if I made you guys feel uncomfortable. Believe me that was not my intention. Anyway, I wish you guys the best.
        Martina, please get well soon!!! Hugs and kisses from from Los Angeles Ca.

        3 years ago
    • I wanted to ask but thought I’d get shouted at for not being more serious on the video. For a very deserved reason, the Korean internet is not really in the mood for frivolity, but I couldn’t help but wonder.

      Martina if you’re reading this, I have had food poisoning from chicken, and it has to be the worst 12 hours of my life. I seriously pity you, and hope that you don’t need to be hospitalised or anything :( Take plenty of fluids etc.

      And, finally, my heart goes out to everyone affected by this tragedy, truly. The students who have passed away will not be forgotten.

      3 years ago
    • Why is this relevant to the topic of the video?

      I hope she feels better soon food poisoning is about as fun as the bronchitis that I currently have. Sweet Brown was right!

      3 years ago
      • I hope she feels better soon too, and I never said that food poisoning was fun… I only wondered because of the last part of the post Simon wrote. I have been so depressed during the last week abt the tragedy that Im just trying to think about the positive things. I couldnt even enjoy my trip to Vegas because I was so worried about the people in the ferry. So please, refrain from bashing. Who is Sweet Brown?

        3 years ago
        • I wasn’t bashing…I was stating that asking if Martina is pregnant is not relevant to the topic of the video. I also wasn’t saying that food poisoning was fun I was comparing it to an illness that is also not fun which I currently have.

          3 years ago
        • possibly because of this comment:

          “Tomorrow we’re posting a happier video. It’s not of us being silly and goofing around and being insensitive at this time. It’s actually a very big announcement we’re going to make. Perhaps the biggest of our YouTube lives. I know at this time it’s tough to be happy, but hopefully tomorrow we can make some people smile, which is – really – all we hope to do with these videos.”

          3 years ago
        • Heard of it… but I didnt know her name/ nickname

          3 years ago
    • I got the impression that Simon and Martina were child free. Meaning they don’t want them, ever. They’ve dodged questions about babies for years.

      3 years ago
      • Well, I dont know… it just came to my mind. Since they will be making an announcement, “a very big announcement we’re going to make. Perhaps the biggest of our YouTube lives”

        Of course I could be terribly wrong but I guess we will have to wait and see. Im excited to hear their announcement because its obviously a happy one.

        3 years ago
      • I think that Martina’s condition would make being pregnant really difficult – especially as the child got bigger. She is already in so much pain and to have the additional stress on her body of providing for a baby would only increase the pain. However, I would totally freak out and be happy for them if they did have a child. Adoption is always an option.

        3 years ago
        • Sorry…I don’t mean to intrude I’m just curious as to what condition you are referring to? I didn’t realize martina was sick or something…with anything other than food poisoning is what I mean

          3 years ago
        • Watch her Draw My Life video- she talks about her condition there. Aside from that- STOP TALKING ABOUT SIMON AND MARTINA’S PERSONAL LIVES. Let’s just wait for their announcement instead of speculating about their personal lives- that’s just rude and disrespectful. Remember- they can read this, and frankly, their life decisions are entirely different from their YouTube lives. I’m sick and tired of people gossiping about people when it’s out of place and out of reason.

          3 years ago
        • Well… I think you are a little out of line here. It is not like anyone is saying something rude or untrue about Simon and Martina.
          Not everyone who watches EYK videos has seen every single one of them. No one made any definitive remarks that weren’t based off what Simon and Martina have already talked about. I don’t think it is disrespectful to be worried about Martina.
          I understand your concern but just remember, if they cared if people talked they wouldn’t put it on the internet in the first place. I’m not trying to bash you, just redirect your anger somewhere else more productive and know that the comments above were done in love for EYK.

          3 years ago
        • I totally agree.

          3 years ago
        • Honestly, you overreacting like that makes it worse. You answered a users question. Why couldnt you stop there? You’re making it seem that we are demanding information from them, or that we are considering it a fact, so calm down, it was just a simple question…

          3 years ago
    • O_o

      3 years ago
  47. I thought you would also be mad or at least disappointed about Korea’s Top Soccer League (The K-League) which decided not to PPD. Games this past weekend! They should have PPD. Games to remember the victims as well.

    3 years ago
  48. Thank you, Simon. I have been curious how people are reacting in Korea to this tragedy and I, too have read some articles that make it seem like it is because of Korean culture in some way that this is a super common thing or was caused. It makes me very sad to see that so many have died and most of these deaths could have been prevented. It seems that the media will always be the media, and I absolutely despise that. But that is simply the way it is. I really hope that the media will see who is at fault here and I really hope that the captain realized what has happened in part due to his actions.

    Otherwise, I hope that your teacher friends will be able to cope with the losses, I know how close a teacher can become to students, and I can’t even begin to imagine their sadness.

    You gave a great update, and I really appreciate the seriousness of the video. Thank you guys.

    3 years ago
  49. http://m.happybean.naver.com/donations/H000000104171
    I asked my korean friend the same question about where to donate and she sent me this link.
    Its organized by naver so I guess it’s pretty legit. You basically buy beans ( cyber money) that’s why it’s called happy beans. Then naver uses these beans to buy useful things for the rescue efforts & victim association.

    3 years ago
  50. I’ve been following the news closely since day one, and even though I did not have any close relationship to anyone who is affected by this incident it has made me very upset. Most of these people were kids, they were my sister’s age, and it hurts to see them passed in an incident that could’ve been prevented in so many ways. These people were meant to be living and exploring so many more things, but their life ended because of such a stupid mistake from a few people. On top of that, you knew as the ship was capsizing, that there were hundreds of people who were still alive trapped inside. You imagined those people in a very dark, cold place, with sea water that slowly creeping up and took their last breath away. I have never experience drowning before but it’s such an agony to think about it…let alone experience that in the last moment of your life.

    Anywho, as for the situation of the news though…I’m sure it’s as bad in Thailand. I’ve seen a huge differences between BBC and the news agencies in Thailand. Even though the news on BBC are a bit slow, but at least you can be sure that what is coming out from them has been officially confirmed. The news were presented as how it should be. I don’t know how unbiased it is in the eyes of British public but in my opinion they are trying to present the news as neutral as possible. You can see through the language that they use that they are just portraying what was happening and it’s up to you on how you will feel about that news after you’ve received it. On the other hand, the news stations in Thailand tries too much to dramatise things. The news on any kind of loss will be made to sound sad, which I don’t think it’s right because the news agency or news reporter should not put their opinion into the data that you are giving out to people. And don’t even get me started on the genuinity of the data…..anytime when there’s a political unrest in the country, I’m actually better off watching news from foreign news agengy and I think that’s very silly. It means that I’m reading about what’s happening in my country in a foreign language, and I felt like I should be able to do that in my own language instead.

    But yeah….enough venting. Just one more point, I really love TL;DR because the topic in each week encourages such an interesting discussion (and I like to read it too) so keep it up guys! :D

    3 years ago
  51. everytime i read about this unfortunate tragedy i get teary!!
    i really am frustrated towards the captain and some of the crew! this just didn’t have to happen at all!!
    i mean why would you not tell everyone to calmly make their way to the top decks? it only takes a few seconds!! and if help WAS going to come in 10 minutes then everyone would still have to be out of the bottom floors to get saved! just darn the whole thing!! makes me so sad and mad!!
    and that random lady lying on the news….man she really has a mental problem!
    and why would people fabricate text messages?!! gosh!!
    i’ve been getting my updates from the Arirang youtube channel!

    3 years ago
  52. I can’t imagine such a tragedy hitting anyone harder than former teachers than the families themselves. Speaking as someone caught on the wrong tube train in London on 7/7 all I know for sure is that being trapped causes a flight or fight response and its unbelievable hard to deal with when you can’t escape from somewhere. There isn’t a day I don’t relive that in my mind.

    The only thing completely clear from this is that poorly trained people were involved. Some didn’t do the right thing when they should have and others just didn’t know what to do. Work it through and there are clearly many people that should be held accountable and not all of them were on the boat.

    There is only one thing you can take from events like this: learn from what’s happened and make sure it never happens again. Anything less would be an insult to the memory of those lost.

    3 years ago
    • Hey vtraveller, what made the 7/7 terrorist attacks even worse was that it came just a couple of days after the city was awarded the 2012 Summer Olympics which should have been a major celebration around that time.

      3 years ago
      • It was the next day actually, and to be honest, when people die, however they die, there is no worse. There is only the pain that willpower can’t turn back time; particularly for the people who have lost someone.

        3 years ago
  53. My prayers go out to people of Korea especially to those who have lost a loved one. My heart aches and I can only begin to comprehend the pain that Korea is feeling right now. Please, let us know when you find an organization you feel confident of so that we can reach out to the families. Also maybe the Nasties could hold a type of YouTube vigil or write letters to the schools of the students just to let them know that we are morning with them.

    3 years ago
  54. If anyone wants a close follow up on the rescue efforts and situation on site, go check both @josungkim and @hohocho on twitter. There’s also an English live update on http://bit.ly/SewolFerry. Those are the ones I find most reliable. Please keep the victims and their families in your thoughts. It is a hard time for South Korea right now and it is baffling that there’s nothing we can even begin to do to help them.

    P.S. Get well soon, Martina

    3 years ago
  55. This whole tragedy is just so so so upsetting. I think there’s no other word that better explains what I’m feeling about this than this. :(

    3 years ago
  56. just so sad. thanks for the video. Sending my love to everyone over there…especially your teacher friends and all the families and friends of those who were lost.

    3 years ago
  57. I was so angry when I heard what happened. Not to mention it happened on the exact same day that the Titanic sunk. The captain should be jailed for murder. Every single passenger could have fairly easily been saved if he wasn’t such a cowardly, selfish jerk. My uncle is a sailor and he takes people out on fishing trips. He’s had his boat capsize once before because of a freak wave. While his boat was much much smaller than the ship those poor passengers were on–his only had about 10 people–he saved them all. There were no injuries, no deaths, nothing. In fact one of the 10 people pitched in to buy him a new boat, which was very kind. I know this because I was on the boat. By the time everyone got back to shore, nobody was crying or scared, we were just laughing at how all our fish became a free meal to any brave sea creature who wanted to check out the boat.

    At any rate, even though the boat that sunk in Korea was a lot bigger, they still could have saved mostly or maybe even everyone if that captain hadn’t been an asshole. I almost want to say he purposely made them stay in their rooms so they couldn’t get out. What a sick bastard. I am so sorry for all the families’ losses and while I’m not religious, I’ll pray anyway, for the peace of mind for everyone who lost somebody. Sadly, there’s nothing else I can do. If there was, I’d do it, but like you said, there’s no real reliable charities to donate to and I can’t fly to Korea.

    Thanks for this TLDR. It was an important one.

    3 years ago
    • I heard that there is a possibility that the captain will be charged the deaths of these people. However, we won’t really know until the situation calms down with all the false reports.

      3 years ago
    • The titanic sank on the 14th of April at night… The ferry sank on the 16th

      3 years ago
  58. I cry every time i see pictures or videos about the tragedy. I also get so mad and disgusted at some of the people online who write posts about how they’re not liking how some of there shows or music videos are being postponed because if this tragedy.

    3 years ago
  59. Another frustrating factor for me was the Korean government denying US Navy help when the ship was still sinking. And now they are refusing help from Japan. If the Korean president is going to point a finger at the captain for cowardly acts, three of those fingers are pointing back to her position of refusing help based on pride. True colors are shown during trying times like these.

    3 years ago
    • before you say it’s frustrating (i was frustrated too), know this:
      if korea gets help from the US of japan, the government needs to give out important information from the navy.
      such as where the ships are usually plotted, etc.
      it is heartbreaking, but i don’t know if giving out information like that is very good…

      3 years ago
  60. There were so many place in this video when I thought Simon was going to cry. Maybe his eyes were red because he was tired, but because of that and the fact that I’m deeply touched by this tragedy, I cried a lot. I think there will be an actual trustworthy fundraiser or some kind of parents-comity thingy to donate at one point. In the meantime though, there’s this yellow ribbon movement that is spreading around the web.

    People, you should support the yellow ribbon movement. It shows you care and support the grieving families and somewhat still have hope that someone might be saved, or at least, that the bodies will be returned to their families. And, in that way, you can actually reach out/somewhat help Koreans that are grieving. Koreans on Facebook, Tumblr or Twitter thanked me for my support. I think at least, it gives them a little warmt in their heart, that people even overseas are grieving with them.

    3 years ago
  61. I can barely read about it without crying. I can’t imagine living through it in any capacity.

    Is the Red Cross involved? I don’t know if this is their purview but I thought I’d suggest it.

    3 years ago
    • Oh and as far as news goes, I am from the land of Fox News, I feel your pain.

      3 years ago
      • I thought their brand of reporting was limited to the Weekly World News (Bat Boy Marries! Aliens in My Basement! Elvis Works in Fast Food! )
        Just because it claims to be need doesn’t mean it’s truthful or factual.

        3 years ago
      • I currently live in chicago, and trust me, no sane person believes the info
        provided by Fox 100%.
        CNN is pretty faulty too. I personally prefer BBC since it’s more factual than the American ones.

        3 years ago
      • It is to me too. There’s a level of sensationalism that I thought was reserved for the black and white “newspapers” at the grocery store checkout. The reporting I’ve been hearing on this incident seems to be at almost the same level; who cares if it’s right, does it Shock and Alarm? Does it enrage and frighten? Then ****it, report it! It’s frustrating when you are a person who wants the truth so you’re sad or angry for legitimate reasons. At least there I’m seeing them re-reporting the truth, here if they were wrong they tend to ignore it.

        3 years ago
  62. I’m feeling really emotionnal now… I’d really need to give hug to anybody at this point. Q_Q

    3 years ago
  63. I read somewhere that some idol group fandoms were taking donations and sending things directly to families and survivors as opposed to possible shady charities. If anyone wants to help out from outside of SK and want to help those who were affected first hand by the tragedy, I guess a possible route is to connect with people who are part of the official fandom. Unfortunately, I don’t know how accurate this is though, vague as it is. If anyone can provide more info, or correct me that’d be great.

    Thanks for addressing this topic, Simon. It was hard to read updates from the incident, I can’t imagine how difficult it was to talk about it. I’m glad you both are talking about the issue with other people, no matter how down the issue is, it’s good to be in solid company.

    3 years ago
  64. You don’t seem scatterbrained at all in this Simon. You come across as honest, factual and heartfelt. As someone that works in media, is pisses me off SOOOOOO MUCH when people fail to fact-check their information before broadcast, all in the hope of getting the ‘jump’ in a breaking story. Spreading miss-information benefits no one.

    Goes without saying; my thoughts and well wishes goes out to everyone affected by this tragedy, directly or indirectly. It’s so senseless….no one learnt anything after the Costa Concordia disaster in Italy. :(

    PS: Get well soon Martina. Food poisoning is the suck.

    3 years ago
    • Todays the day they are opening the school again and they are starting the school without half their students. I think that really upsetting that they have to walk past those classrooms.
      In case this is false information please blame BBC news, not me.
      Get well Martina…
      Oh and I think I poisoned my mum with the food I made. I’ll see if she well or not tomorrow!
      (hopefully not, because I poisoned my self as well)

      3 years ago
    • True. But it’s not a good benefit ultimately. Sure, they get more ‘eyeballs’ on their story, but at what cost? :/

      I’m too much of a bleeding heart for where I work sometimes…. *small chuckle*

      3 years ago
      • What has really pissed me off about media companies lately is disrespecting the people’s deaths and showing, out of sensationalism, the actual deaths of people (like that Georgian Olympian in Vancouver 2010) and the grieving families. The Malaysian flight families have been grieving and they get news cameras in their faces as their entire world is crashing down. News cameras do not belong in the grieving process- period.

        3 years ago
  65. I hope that you guys are okay, it makes me sad when anything like this happens and it really hit home that some of those who were involved were only my age and some even younger. I hope that everyone is given the proper time to grieve. My heart goes out to you guys and all the families of those who were involved. Love you guys <3

    3 years ago
  66. Thank you guys for wanting to let us know what is going on. I agree that information at this time and for really the past few weeks has not been very good. Really in America we are hearing little to nothing about this, If you want to know you got to dig for it. I know that I feel and hope that others feel heart broken that this has happened. It doesn’t make it better that this terrible disaster isn’t and can’t be covered better. Please Let us know if there is anything you guys find for a relief fund.

    3 years ago
  67. I can somewhat relate to what Korea is feeling right now. It’s like when I first found out that Flight MH370 went missing and all sorts of speculations and rumors began to sprout. Though I know no one on board but the fact that something big as this could happen so close to me is just shocking and heartbreaking. I hope that the Sewol incident will be solved soon and not drag on so long like the MH370 which is still missing. :(

    3 years ago
  68. T S

    Think you summed it up pretty well, I’m in Korea now and it’s so much bs in media about this that I don’t understand how a so “up-going” country can make.

    3 years ago
  69. It makes me so sad/angry to know that all these deaths could have been prevented in a thousand different ways. They were just kids. They could have been someone’s husband/wife/doctor/friend in the future. Just seeing the pictures chills me to the bone. And here in America, you’ll hear nothing about it unless you follow CNN. Thanks for giving us an update, guys! Hug each other.

    3 years ago
    • JK

      Said no one ever.

      3 years ago
    • I heard about this on Greta (fox news), even though Fox is SUPER DUPER bias, they do pretty good at fact checking their stuff when its non-political stuff. I know in some tragedies where I followed CNN or msnbc there was some stuff not really fact checked very well, definitely a lot of misleading speculation for views. Example: the boston bombing incident was just plain ridiculous on CNN. I switched between them and in general Fox was more accurate factually speaking, they’d hold off on conclusions whereas CNN would just put it out and then apologize later. However in general I feel it’s good to look at several news for the full view. All in all it really makes me appreciate videos like these where Simon just puts out the real heartfelt sentiments of those living in korea right now, which is the real truth. Prays to those in Korea and those mourning them :'(

      3 years ago
    • lol you shouldn’t be scared about things you haven’t actually looked at yourself. To enrich yourself to a full perspective you need to explore other views even if you really disagree :) So yeah, I watch fox news and sometimes they really really piss me off but other times I like the different take(no they are not always heartless racists or whatever). In general I think its healthy to not avoid or be afraid of debate and rethinking your ideas and understanding why you defend them. So I like looking at all kinds of things. Peace :)

      3 years ago
    • I don’t think any news network is unbiased, but I’d pick Fox News over the others any day.

      3 years ago
    • the only thing good about CNN is their ridiculist….LOL

      3 years ago
    • CNN sucks at reporting but Fox news makes up things so they are not better.

      3 years ago
    • I don’t watch any televised news (I don’t have cable). But I’d be surprised if CNN is the only one covering it. My local country radio station talks about it during most of their news breaks and I don’t believe they are CNN. I hope the televised news people around the world treat this tragic situation with respect.

      My prayers are with all of you.

      3 years ago
    • LOL. Fox News is in no way shape or form, fair, balanced, or unbiased.

      3 years ago
    • CNN is definitely biased. They also over-publicize and speculate on tragedies for views.

      3 years ago
      • True- though from what I have seen on CNN, compared to other stories, they are being (fairly) respectful about reporting the tragedy- at least from the one segment I saw. It’s awful, it’s terrible, and it’s just so painful… I feel more like the world is in mourning for Korea

        3 years ago