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After School Club: What We Wanted to Say

January 7, 2015

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Hi everyone!

Though we’re on hiatus for January, and Leigh and Soo Zee are off on vacation, that doesn’t really mean that we’ve taken much of a break lately. Ha! We just came back from filming an ultra fun episode of After School Club with Kevin, Eric, and Jimin. It was our first time on the show! We’ve spoken with Eric a few times about doing an episode together, and now that our schedules were kinda free, we thought it’d be a good time to come on. Woot! If you didn’t watch it yet, you can check it out here. Yay!

We are a bit saddened by one thing, though, and we wanted to share it here, because we didn’t get a chance to share it on the show. See, we were given a bit of a loose guideline about what questions were going to be asked beforehand. During the Hangout Session, people planned what questions they wanted to ask us, which is how we came up with our awesome name for our band. If Jimin, Simon, Martina, Kevin, and Eric all were in a band, what would we be called? Well, the answer is probably the best thing we ever did on TV. HA!

However, the next question that was supposed to be asked was skipped, and it’s kinda our fault. Danielle, who is co-founder of the European Nasties, popped up on the screen, and we got very excited, and started talking a lot more than we should have. We saw her in our European Tours, and we’re really honoured that she’s helping out with the European Nasties Facebook page, so we blathered on for a bit too long. And that’s unfortunate, because that means that we didn’t have time for the next person, Anna, to ask her question, which was a really important one that we wanted to discuss today. The question was something along the lines of “any advice for an aspiring Youtuber?” Here’s what we wanted to say:

One of the things we focus on most is how we can improve ourselves. We look back on our old videos and we’re embarrassed at how bad they are. The lighting is awful; the sound is echoey; the talking goes on for too long. We constantly look back on our older videos and try to see what we didn’t like about them, and do our best to try to make them better. So the main point we’d suggest is to never stop trying to make better content.

This, however, doesn’t just go for the technical side of it, but also for the things you say and do in your videos as well. When you’re on the internet, you can always see people’s responses to your blog posts. You can read it in their comments, or on Twitter, or on their own blogs, whatever. And when you read them, you can see what you can change in your content on top of that. This is something we make sure we try to do. We’ve read about how we’ve said things that are offensive in the past, and we do our best to not make the same mistakes again. The way we described Hyuna’s dancing in 2011 we would never say now. The ways in which we described concepts in Kpop videos we’ll never use again. Some of the skits or games we’ve done…yeah, not our brightest moments. We look back to what we did before, and we do our best to grow. We made lots of dumb mistakes in the past, said some things and did some videos that at the time seemed harmless enough, but now we wish we could change. It’s challenging, and embarrassing even, to look back on some of the stuff we’ve done, but once we’re made aware of them, we think about them deeply, discuss them with each other and with Leigh and Soo Zee thoroughly, and do our best to not repeat the same mistakes.

It’s challenging, though, to find the points on which we can change. Some people make points that we flat out disagree with, others take posts completely out of context or even spread total lies about us, some just have a very deep hatred of white people in general, and a special few wish death on us and even our pets. It’s challenging to wade through the anger to find civil discussions on the mistakes we’ve made, but – in the end – even if it’s uncomfortable to read them, it’s still a challenge we take on in our hopes of trying to grow and to improve our content. It’s something we hope that other bloggers can take heart in doing themselves, to keep on revising, to keep challenging themselves, and to keep growing :D

We want to thank all those people for the past seven years that have taken the time to send us an email or to write a blog post that criticized something with did or said in a civil and intelligent manner. If it wasn’t for you we wouldn’t haven taken the time to reflect on our mistakes. But to those of you that called us various names, threatened our lives, or harassed us online, we want you to know that your ugly comments are simply blocked out and dismissed. If you truly want someone to change or see fault in their ways, then screaming profanities at them is not the way to foster growth. If you’re truly and honestly looking for change then you need to take the time to be civil and discuss the issue with someone, otherwise you just seem like an angry crazy person spewing hatred and perpetuating violence.

So, I realize now that this probably would have went well over the 20 minute mark. Time really flies when you’re live on TV! It really felt like we were on there for, like, five minutes.

Altogether, though, looking at all of the rage that’s happening on Twitter, we do want to say that we’re sorry if you watched one of our videos and we said or did something that displeased you. We’re trying to get better. We never stop trying. But we mess up sometimes. Unfortunately, though, the internet looks like a game of Tetris: all of your accomplishments vanish, and all that remains behind are the mistakes you’ve made. Hopefully, we don’t keep on repeating those mistakes. Thanks to those of you who put up with our crap and support us over the years. After all, we’re only human and make dumb mistakes like everyone else in the world.

And, on that note, long live JISIMAKER!

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  1. While it’s gratifying to know that the social media pressure was enough that they felt the need to response, this post is not satisfying to me as an apology. Although it initially sounds sincere and is a very clever PR move, it fails as a legitimate apology and here’s why.

    I have said multiple times I want from EYK is a real apology and I think that consists of three parts: an acknowledgement that what they did was wrong, a sincere apology, and a direct promise to do better.

    1. An acknowledgement that what they did was offensive and wrong.

    The first part of making a real apology is acknowledging that you have something to apology for. This means not just mentioning that people were offended, but actually admitting that what you did was wrong. The closest EYK gets to this is saying “We made lots of dumb mistakes in the past, said some things and did some videos that at the time seemed harmless enough, but now we wish we could change.”

    Note that in this (and the rest of their post) they never say that anything they did was actually or offensive. In fact, the only time they mention being offensive is when they say “We’ve read about how we’ve said things that are offensive in the past, and we do our best to not make the same mistakes again.”

    By casting their actions as silly mistakes and saying that they’ve read that what they said was offensive rather than actually just saying that they are offensive, they are trivializing the impact that their actions had on people and avoiding addressing the specific ways that they were offensive. For example, they never mention that they have said and done things that have been racist, transphobic, misogynistic, ableist and anti-Semitic, in addition to being entitled and generally tasteless. This is a very clever way to set up a non-apology while avoiding starting a real discussion on the real issues.

    Part 1: Failed

    2. A sincere apology for doing it.

    The second part of apologizing is the actual apology. My sister told me today that she heard someone once say that if an apology includes any ifs or buts, then it’s probably not a real apology. An apology is not the time to defend or explain yourself. An apology is the time to apologize and then shut your mouth.

    So let’s look at the only time EYK even mentions the word sorry: “Altogether, though, looking at all of the rage that’s happening on Twitter, we do want to say that we’re sorry if you watched one of our videos and we said or did something that displeased you.”

    I think it should be obvious what’s wrong with this. Not only did they imply that the only reason they felt the need to apologize was the fact that they’re under fire on Twitter, their wording is very…sneaky. Rather than saying that they are sorry because they did anything wrong, they are saying that they’re sorry the people were upset, implying that they believe their actions have been misconstrued. The “I’m sorry you were offended (but I’m not sorry that I did it)” is a class strategy for non-apologies.

    Part 2: Failed

    3. A promise to change their behavior for the better in the future.

    And the last thing that they would have to do would be to give a sincere, direct promise to do better in the future. Obviously everyone makes mistakes, but when you’re apologizing you need to say that you will do better instead of hedging and saying that maybe you’ll try. It’s understandable to slip up from time to time, but slip ups are much more likely if you don’t make a serious and direct commitment to changing your behavior.

    So compare that to what EYK said: “It’s challenging, though, to find the points on which we can change. Some people make points that we flat out disagree with, others take posts completely out of context or even spread total lies about us, some just have a very deep hatred of white people in general, and a special few wish death on us and even our pets.”

    Wow, ok. This actually goes back to point one. Not only do they start off by saying that it’s hard to figure out what they need to change, they make excuses for what they did by dismissing legitimate criticism as reverse racism (which doesn’t exist, by the way). Besides the fact that the criticisms are not actually out of context, the fact that they disagree with criticism or think that people hate them for being white (which is only true insofar as they’re using their white privilege to profit off of Korean culture) does not make that criticism invalid. And while death threats are never appropriate, the fact that they’ve received them is irrelevant to whether they need to change their behavior.

    Coincidentally, it wouldn’t actually be hard for for them to figure out what not to do because there’s a handy little list. But I really doubt that they’re going to make changes because I get the sense that they don’t actually think they’ve done much anything wrong, as you can see from their defenses of their actions in the past. Additionally, they claim that they’ve already improved from 2011 and the era of the Hyuna slut-shaming. And yet, within this past month they have attacked kpop fans as well as called themselves Hitler while blocking fans who told them that it was offensive to do so (despite the fact that they claim that they listen to people “that criticized something with did or said in a civil and intelligent manner”).

    So how do they finish this off? “We’re trying to get better. We never stop trying. But we mess up sometimes. Unfortunately, though, the internet looks like a game of Tetris: all of your accomplishments vanish, and all that remains behind are the mistakes you’ve made. Hopefully, we don’t keep on repeating those mistakes. Thanks to those of you who put up with our crap and support us over the years. After all, we’re only human and make dumb mistakes like everyone else in the world.”

    Wow, ok. Again, reframing their actions as harmless mistakes, claiming that they are already trying without any new commitment to improve in the future based on criticism, and another comment that implies that the people criticizing them are unfairly demonizing them and ignoring their good side.

    Part 3: Failed

    Verdict: Not a real apology

    Is it possible that Simon and Martina actually feel bad about hurting people? Yes, it’s possible. Is it possible that they are actually sorry rather than just sorry they’re being attacked? Maybe. Is it possible that they will change their behavior in the future? Yes, but I’m not counting on it.

    Although they may actually improve based on all of this social media pressure, the deliberately vague wording and flippant tone makes me very, very skeptical that they are actually feeling apologetic. If they do change, I would guess that it is probably because they don’t want criticism to hurt them financially rather than out of any true sense of remorse. Although I will be glad if they chill out with the shitty behavior for a while, I still do not and probably never will like or trust them, and I am not satisfied with this non-apology.

    5 years ago
    • I’m just curious if you go around demanding these people also give grand apologies that pass your rigorous three part apology course; https://33.media.tumblr.com/933794cda0f8cb43e53f54693c407560/tumblr_ni0xh2DMaL1s2lbago1_1280.png

      I’m assuming the answer is no. I’m also assuming someone will say something along the lines of “but I don’t condone their actions!”, so I’ll preemptively reply that you’re leaving novellas to EYK for the exact same reason of not condoning their actions. The blatant hypocrisy just completely invalidates everything as far as I’m concerned.

      5 years ago
    • Problem number one: They have never actually been offensive.
      Problem number two: Its their channel and their company and they can produce what they want, you are not in control of them, you are just a viewer.
      Problem number three: There isn’t any problem with anything Simon and Martina have ever done and so there should be no need for an apology.
      Problem number four: Unless you have been to university and studied the art of apologies it isn’t really your call to dissect their comments and decide whether its genuine or not and I feel sorry for any individuals who are unfortunate enough to be influenced by your post.

      5 years ago
      • Is there any way of liking a comment an infinite number of times? Anyone? Your response made my day! I couldn’t help laughing at the ‘university of apologies’ part.

        5 years ago
      • Regarding number two, there are plenty of celebrities who apologised for something they said or did. When Prince Mak was called out for adding a sexist hashtag to a picture on his Instagram he was quick to apologise. Even now some people choose to hound him for that, implying that his apology wasn’t enough. When G-Dragon uploaded a picture that suggested drug use on his Instagram he was also quick to remove it when people pointed out the implications of the picture.

        5 years ago
      • Number one: Yes, they have been offensive. Calling a band B*tch *ss *P*ss**s is offensive, even if it is supposed to be a pun on the band’s name. Calling anyone any of those three words is completely unnecessary, least of all a boy band. In the same video they imply that ‘boys don’t cry’ because BAP made an emotional video for a change.

        Number two: Yes, they can produce what they want. But like all entertainers they have a influence, and with great power comes great responsibility, meaning that they should to some measure be considerate of the ideas they’re perpetuating.

        Number three: What is or what is not a problem is entirely subjective. If you see no problems with what they’re doing , fine , but you must also accept that some people do see problems with what they’re doing.

        Number four: Again, whatever is genuine is also entirely subjective when it comes to emotions. You don’t need to study for that.

        5 years ago
    • Awwww, that’s too bad, I loved the Tetris metaphor! I thought it was awesome and actually had copied down and everything before I read (erm… scanned) your comment. Now I know it’s no good, so I’ll have to delete the document. :(

      You sure have a lot of energy! With all the “Verdict” stuff and general repetition in your post I think you might, one day, be a great lawyer. It would give you something useful to do, too!

      5 years ago
    • So, I’m not going to dissect every part of your comment because, frankly, it isn’t worth my time. And, unlike you, I don’t feel the need to devote an inordinate amount of time to someone with whom I disagree, but who also has almost zero influence on my life.

      That said, I will take a few moments to address one or two morsels from your (really) TL:DR.

      1. “…they make excuses for what they did by dismissing legitimate criticism as reverse racism (which doesn’t exist, by the way)”

      The comments to which they refer are those along the lines of this gem from the comments over at the ASC youtube post: “kill yourselves, racist faggots”. Perhaps you, with your great knowledge and overflowing virtue, can explain in what ways this classifies as constructive or “legitimate criticism.”

      Further, YOU introduced the term ‘reverse racism’; S&M merely stated that comments they’ve received imply that the commenters hate white people. Many argue that hatred toward a majority/privileged racial group cannot be equated to racism by the majority toward minority groups. This is true – hence, there is no such thing as ‘reverse’ racism. You, however, seem to imply that it’s impossible for someone to hate white people.

      2. You accuse them of employing “deliberately vague wording,” yet in the same post you imply that they have said things that are anti-Semitic because they “called themselves Hitler.” Umm, yeah, so you left out basically the entire meaning/context of that tweet. I think that MAY be the kind of inflammatory language they take issue with.

      3. You contend that their last few sentences are an attempt to “reframe their actions as harmless mistakes.” At what point in those sentences you reference do S&M imply that their mistakes were “harmless”? Dumb, yes. But does that equal harmless? No. Referring to their mistakes as ‘crap’? Still not the same as harmless. Perhaps your argument hinges, then, on the word “mistake” rather than “harmless.” So…you must believe that they have been deliberately malicious all this time, and not making mistakes. Or maybe you don’t understand what they mean because you’re just not very good at English.

      And now I’ve wasted more than enough time on you.

      5 years ago
      • Sel

        I’ve wasted more than enough time reading your comment.

        5 years ago
  2. I know you guys are hanging in there and will be fine, but I just want to let you know that I support you and am wishing you well.

    Within your audience group, I’m someone who doesn’t really listen to K-Pop, so I wouldn’t miss K-Pop Music Mondays if you were finally done with them once and for all. From the little bit I’ve gathered on the hate you get, it seems like it’s a huge amount of cost (energy and time making the videos, dealing with so many unhappy people whatever you do, the whole death threats thing) with only moderate benefits. While you have made some great connections with artists, I’m not all that sure you wouldn’t have made at least some of those connections anyway just because of your passion for music in general. Or, more likely, you would have made other connections with people who are just as awesome, just not necessarily affiliated with K-Pop. I know you’ve spoken about mostly losing interest in doing interviews – it didn’t really seem like your thing – and it just doesn’t seem like your hearts are in it anymore with K-Pop. Honestly, I can’t blame you at all if this is the case. You do a good job of dealing with all the negative energy hurled at you, I’m sure, but it still has to really suck sometimes. Personally, I know I wouldn’t have it in me to get through that kind of ugliness and stress.

    What I would miss, though, is your skits. For all the flack you get about Hyuna, she gave us all the Nasties! Much of your funniest and most memorable stuff seems to have come from KMM, and I would argue K-Pop isn’t the key ingredient to what you were doing. If you decide to make a change, maybe you could find something else to cheer up Mondays? World-Pop Music Mondays? Manga Mondays? Random-Things-We-Noticed-While-Wearing-Wigs-Mondays? Whatever you decide, I hope you’ll find a way to create original characters and scenarios that add some fantasy to the reality of WANKS/FAPFAPS/etc.

    Maybe I’m totally wrong about everything I assumed above. That’s cool! I’ll follow along either way. To be honest, it’s just fun to watch two people who enjoy each other be creative and playful and completely ridiculous. In making yourselves smile, you always make me smile. With the new year, I’ve been evaluating some of my choices and your post seemed to be doing the same, so I thought I would throw out my observations. I’m glad you’re taking time off to rest, heal and re-coup. Enjoy your holiday!

    5 years ago
  3. I have been watching your guys’ videos, for longer than I care to admit, although I’ve only started commenting recently. (Yes, I remember those grainy videos in the first apartment and videos with just dialogue.) I have to tell you guys though that your absolutely, positively amazing. It’s so great to see how you guys have evolved not only in making videos, but in entertaining us viewers as well. The whole idea of where your haters comes from actually baffles me, because not once have I ever been offended by anything you’ve made. Sometimes I think Western humor is just misinterpreted or misunderstood by many, or maybe it’s because although I once loved kpop I haven’t been much of fan since I visited Korea. (Weird how that works.) I think you’ve handled everything that’s happened to you with grace and humility, and I am very honored to say I am a proud EYK Nasty. Please keep up the great work. I can’t wait to see what the future holds for you. Maybe EatYourSushi will happen soon? ;-)

    5 years ago
  4. I don’t know if this is super relevant but it felt relevant to me in a society and an internet culture where the mean and the spiteful seem to occupy a lot of space. It’s just a little video that talks about scientific facts that show that nice behaviour is what will make you successful in the long run.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rr6lsTgZKAQ

    5 years ago
  5. My opinion is you’re being way to hard on yourselves. I think anyone who’s been watching you for any amount of time can see that even if you made mistakes, they came from the best of places not the worst. You can’t please everyone and as long as you believe in what you are doing and you feel you did your best I call that a win. Please know that there are many here who support you and your growth and try not to let the negativity get to you too much. *Fighting*

    5 years ago
  6. I’m here to just send some love and hugs from a loyal fan that has been with you for at least 1 year now! *~(^^‿◠)✌

    5 years ago
  7. You can please some of the people all the time;
    You can please all the people some of the time;
    But you can’t please all the people all the time.

    Ultimately, this S&M’s site. The content is theirs to control. There are things I like, things I miss (K-pop Music Mondays), things I don’t like (Fangurilla). But I keep coming back.

    5 years ago
  8. I can’t understand the shit you get from the haters… Is it because they think you are mean to kpop idols or something? It’s ironic because the kpop music mondays where you “critize” the song, have gotten me to listen the song! I mean, I saw your Music Monday of SuJu’s Sexy, free and single and after since I have loved the song! XD It’s good that you wanna make better videos but don’t require yourselves too much. ;)

    Anyways… It was sooooooo great to see you in ASC <3

    5 years ago
    • It’s almost definitely because they are critical of idols. Kpop fans are scary. If you want to test the theory, go to any kpop youtube video and comment, “the song is okay, but I feel like it’s not as good as the last one they made” and watch the fans organize a lynching mob. :/ I’m sure that there are sane kpop fans somewhere, but the loudest ones are terrifying and push people away from kpop.

      I’m going to be sad to see KMM go too, since it was the original reason I subscribed, but I honestly cannot blame them for dropping it. When the idols themselves come on and say that they find what Simon and Martina do funny, but the fans still freak out and send death threats, then I guess it’s time to pack up :(

      At least they’re still making other videos :) Maybe the comment section will be nicer with the kpoppers gone! :D

      5 years ago
      • True… I don’t get how the fans can be so “sensitive” and aggressive. When I started to listen kpop I told nobody because I was so ashemed to be part of such a mad group. I’m happy that through eyk I’ve noticed that not everyone is obsessed with it.

        5 years ago
  9. I used to see what you post on twitter very often, but i haven’t done that lately so i didn’t know about this fuss until i watched the ASC episode (i missed seeing something from you guise). I was saddened by all the ugly comments that some people have posted on youtube though and i just wish people as amazing as you (the eyk crew) wouldn’t have to deal with that, but at the end of the day i guess there is always going to be good things and bad things too, but we need to focus on the good. I would like to say that i just simply love your channel and i discovered it at a time when i needed the help and your videos, your words and funny jokes helped me alot to get through. I watched all your videos as fast as i could and ever since your channel is the first channel i check to see if there are any new videos. I really love the work you do, i like to watch your pets do funny things as well, i love the fact that your crew is just awsome! and the people out there that are saying ugly things or making threats should first of all think about the hard work you do, the fact that at one point every person on youtube was new and maybe didn’t understand it fully/well, everybody learns more and more with time (the important thing being learning which they should appreaciate you for) and mostly – we are all human, we make mistakes, we regret them and do our best not to do them again, but us making mistakes doesn’t mean that others have a “free pass” to hurt us.
    I really hope things will get better. You should remember that there are alot of people out there who love you the way you are and truly support you and your decisions.

    Fun story: before i discovered your channel i happened to see someone wearing a spudgy t-shirt and i thought it was sooo coool! but i couldn’tt ask where it was from. Later on i understood and i couldn’t believe the coincidence of me seeing that t-shirt not long before seeing your videos. You guise were truly supposed to enter my life! Please say hi to Meemers for me! <3

    5 years ago
  10. Sorry for the grammar in my last post… I’m Dutch/Moroccan sooo… yeah…

    5 years ago
  11. Oke… soo I follow you on instagram. And that is the only social media I use to follow people (mostly famous people… Just stalking, never posting :) ) And because I’m not thaaaat interested in kpop I usually don’t really watch KMM anyway. I like the FAPFAP’S WANKS and WTF a lot more. It’s the culture of Korea that I prefer over the genre kpop (which YES people it’s JUST A genre of korean music) Whenever I would actually watch KMM because they would cover a band that I like (other than the 15 rotation bands that get reviewed over and over again) I would really enjoy myself. You point out stuff that I didn’t see before and it would be hilarious !!! I loved your point of view. I didn’t always agree with it but I always thought it was hilarious! Now, I also remember how you would always put up disclaimers everywhere and I thought it was always a bit excessive. I mean come on, people can say whatever they want and they have brains they WILL understand simple things like this is only YOUR opinion… Duh… Well I guess not !!! WTF!! People have serious problems!!
    Because of this blog post I was really curious about where all this hate came from… I have watched ALL your video’s apart from the KMM.. And never was I offended or angry about anything…
    After just a hour of browsing I came to this conclusion… Some people must have miserable life’s. To actually put so much effort into hating something is exhausting and time consuming. After 1 hour I felt compelled to throw my laptop away and go running! It gets so frustrating! They not only get offended about the stupidest things but they then take it out on you in awful ways.
    I never knew this. And I hate that I now know this. It makes a platform of entertainment where I would go to relax after a hard day of work or school a battleground! That is not what I signed up for especially not with my thesis deadline around the corner!
    Hopefully you will be able to go back to the lighthearted and fun video’s that I love !! Just drop the KMM’s they are NOT worth it and keep enjoying life. Especially now that you’re health is not optimal.

    5 years ago
  12. OH MY GOSHHHHHHH SIMON AND MARTINAAAA, thank you SOOOOO sooo much for answering my question!!!!! I was a little bit dissapointed I didn’t get to ask that question on the show because I really wanted to know your professional opinion and get words of widsom from you guys… But now that you’ve answered it I am sooooooooo happy! AAA thank you so so so much! The hangout was one of the most exciting and awesome times in my life, I will always remember it!
    Keep making awesome videos, I love you guyssss! You have come such a long way, don’t let negaive comments like that get to you. There are so many more people that love you and appreciate all you do, so concentrate on the good! Like Simon said in a video once, “try to find two good things for one bad thing that happens” :)) LOVE YOUUU!!! Fighting!!~

    5 years ago
  13. I’m sorry there are so many people in the world today that find nothing better to do then manufacture hate. The internet is just a perfect place for haters because they don’t have to look at the people they are trying to hurt. Don’t let them have control over your life. Fighting!

    5 years ago
  14. An argument I saw a lot to keep you from appearing on ASC was that you’re ”not Korean.’ Please, if we’re going by that standard Prince Mak of JJCC, Jackson and Bambam of GOT7, f(x)’s Amber and Victoria, Fei and Jia of Miss A and quite a handful of other K-pop idols aren’t Korean either. You don’t need to be Korean for your onscreen presence to be legitimate in programmes that are not centred around foreigners (like 비정상회담/Non-Summit). You don’t need to be ethnically Korean to understand the culture either. It’s a kind of double standard: On the one hand there are those who say you don’t immerse yourself in the culture enough, and on the other hand are those who accuse you of being a ”wannabe Korean”. :/

    Anyway, Simon and Martina, I’ve seen screencaps of pretty immature reactions to constructive criticism. If someone tells you you can do better you say ‘thank you for your feedback’ and not ‘stop talking out of your ass.’ I’m an aspiring writer and if my writing is turned down I don’t tell the editors of the magazine I’ve sent my writing to to suck it because of some inner conviction that they refuse to see how great it is. I’m grateful for any feedback I can get . True, some of it is helpful, some of it is not, but I try to always be grateful nonetheless. Death threats and such go too far though, that I do agree with. I would like to ask the people who do that how they would feel if someone did that to them or to someone close to them. In Dutch ‘cancer’ (the disease) is used a lot for emphasis in adjectives, and that I don’t agree with that either. Those people I’d like to ask how they would feel if they themselves or someone close to them got cancer and then someone else would use the word for emphasis in their presence.

    I think the word ‘hater’ works as a self-fulfilling prophecy: If you pass a critic off as a ‘hater’ they will only dislike you and spread actual hate.

    I myself truly enjoy what you guise are doing and I think you play a pivotal role in rousing global interest in aspects of Korean culture that would otherwise go unnoticed. I was super excited over seeing you at Hallyucon last year and was touched by your honesty and openness on stage. Martina, you may not remember, but you gave me a hug and to me that was definitely proof of how much Nasties mean to you. I don’t always agree with how you two choose to present something but I realise you are human too and you learn from your mistakes. This blog post once again proved that.

    Actually, I was thinking that if I ever publish a book to dedicate it to you two because you inspire me to pursue what I love to do most, which is writing and being involved with the Korean language and culture. You are genuinely passionate about what you do and that’s a wonderful thing to see. Please stay awesome :D

    5 years ago
  15. Haven’t commented in a while and since the new changes to the website I hadn’t made a new account. Just did it to comment on this thread (and discovered my old handle had been taken, sad face). I haven’t seen the ASC show (yet), I don’t have Twitter or tumbler (is it really that necessary? grumble), and I could care less what faceless bullies have to whine about. All I know, like many others are saying, is that I participated in your kickstarter happily with no expectations (seriously, what do people expect out of these kickstarted things anyways – jeez), just as a thank you to the content that made my broke med school life more bearable back in 2009. I laughed at a ton of your videos and I really felt like you were down to earth people that I really admire. As time went on, there were some things that got a bit overboard and I felt comfortable enough to comment about it now and again. I won’t say you didn’t have your moments where I would side eye you guys, and sometimes felt that you didn’t realize where you were at as a platform, but I could see the point where it seemed you had a serious internal discussion and things shifted a bit. I saw a lot of changes since 2009, a lot for better but also a little bit of loss of that initial spark of a “foreigner in a new land” so to speak. I saw a renewed energy with the addition of Soozee and Leigh as well as with the opening of the cafe. These days I don’t always have time to keep up with everything, but I always know where to go if I need a pick me up, a laugh, or just to see some really genuine and good people (and adorable pets). Things are always changing and evolving and I can tell you’ve all as a company and as just regular people are doing the best to have a happy job and a happy life. The negative comments I have seen here and there are so obviously people stuck in the past that don’t bother to grow and re-evaluate, just like any bigoted/jealous group in all parts of history and conflicts around the world. Anyway, I just wanted to put my two cents in and let you know that through these past several years I have greatly appreciated the blood, sweat, and tears you both (and the whole EYK crew) have put into throwing yourself out there for our entertainment and letting us grow with you. Thank you!

    5 years ago
  16. Dear Silly Simon and Minnie Martina

    I don’t leave a lot of comments but I just really felt like leaving something here. -.- Ahem: For the past 5 years that I’ve been watching you guys, thank you for giving us your infectious smiles and quirky jokes. In all honesty I hardly subscribe to any youtubers and u guys were my first subscribers and I just fell in love u with u guys the moment i laid my eyes on you (yes u may input cheesy music here ;p). I don’t care about what anyone says because u’ll always have my love and support. I hope u guys take the time to take a good rest and when u guys come back fully recharged all us nasties will give u big cuddly bear hug ^w^

    5 years ago
  17. Yesterday, I had a bad day. The tail came off my favourite toy mouse, the human shortened my brushing session to only 5 minutes (practically criminal), and I was told I was off on an “adventure in the car” on Saturday, which can only mean a trip to the vet for my shots. To top it all off, the human locked me in the cupboard for two hours claiming she didn’t know I was in there – what a poor excuse when it was obvious I had climbed in to inspect the glassware right at the back for cleanliness (no-one else around here does).

    But today, I really woke up on the right side of the cat tree. The sun was shining, as was my coat after a good proper brush, I had some tasty tuna and got to play with the Christmas decorations while they were being packed away. And the human feels so bad about the cupboard incident she’s even agreed to by a new toy mouse at the vet (that is still on, apparently). To top it off my Meemers Oppa was mentioned on ASC – photo and all!

    The paw-nt is that bad days become good, and what seems like a rough time one day will pass and new more furbulous adventures in the future. Time has a funny way of making these things fade. Unlike my Saturday vet trip. That will be etched in my memory furrever, believe me.

    5 years ago
    • I’m here to confirm this. We both did in fact cry all over our lunch. :’) Thank you for the wonderful message

      5 years ago
    • Best comment

      5 years ago
    • Just made my day! I’m laughing out loud and I guess my co-workers think that I’m crazy. FancattingforMeemers – you are amazing! Good luck on Saturday ;)

      5 years ago
    • You are the greatest cat in the world. Don’t tell Meemers we said that. And I read your comment out loud to Martina and Rose, and both of them cried. Please tell your owner you deserve more cat treats :D

      5 years ago
      • Oh, don’t cry! It was only a toy mouse, not a real one. And yes, yes, it was my favourite, but I’ll get another one. It’ll be OK, I promise.

        I guess you could say I just loved my meeces to pieces. Literally.

        5 years ago
  18. I firmly believe that 99% of your vitriolic haters (the ones tweeting shit at you, not the ones who simply dislike your videos for reasons like “it’s not funny,” etc., and don’t engage with you on social media) are jealous that you’re making a living from an industry that they love. They’ll never admit to it, though, so they continuously rehash the same arguments for years for evidence of “how awful you are.” Seriously, every time you ask them why they hate you, they’ll link the same god damned Tumblr post, most of which happened years ago. Like they’re just so upset that you used crowdfunding to start a real business, or criticized a group they liked. It’s like, “Really? Does that still upset you?” You’ve clearly changed, apologized for the inappropriate things, and moved on. Why can’t they move on, too? They also just make up things that they have no idea about, such as your Korean skills, how many Koreans you’ve hired at your studio, etc.

    Most of their criticism is baseless, and when they eventually mature, they’ll hopefully move on. Personally, I’ve found that as I’ve gotten older, I care less and less about how people live their lives as long as it’s not harmful to others. And I think that we can all agree that your content is not harmful to anyone besides the fragile sensitivities of the haters. Basically, keeping on doing you and ignore the rest. The viewers who truly care about you will let you know, politely, when you might have made a mistake. The people who are being awful to you are a vocal minority. Everyone else either doesn’t care or is a fan.

    Also, I thought you guys were very good on ASC! You guys didn’t seem nervous at all, and are very good at keeping the conversation going (as expected, because you guys do so many live events of your own). Anybody that says that Eric, Kevin, and Jimin were bored or upset that you were there are talking out of their ass because Kevin could not stop complimenting you.

    5 years ago
  19. I don’t know if you guys will even see this comment considering how many there already, but I just wanted to share a few thoughts anyway. As an artist, I can totally understand the importance of developing and honing our skills. We should never stop learning or trying to improve no matter how ‘good’ our skills are, but occasionally it is OKAY to go back to crayons. To go back to the days where you just purely enjoyed doing art without restraint. As someone who has been following you guys for years (and im definitely not the only one here), I can confidently say I know you guys have always been candid and real in all your videos and that’s what made you guys what you are today. All the things you guys say and joke about are things that many of us would think or joke to with only those who are close to us out of fear that we may offend others…but you guys were able to tell these jokes and be yourself to MILLIONS of people out there. I believe this is the reason why you guys have such a strong fan base…because despite not ‘knowing’ you guys personally, your fans feel connected to how real you guys are. Unfortunately, fame comes with a cost. There will always be people who try to find things to hate about you guys. With everything you guys do, people will nitpick and make ridiculous connections (for example saying you guys are transphobic cause of the gender guessing game, saying you guys are racist for making fun of korenglish etc.) when its obvious to us that you guys did NOT say these things with that intention in mind. But it doesn’t matter to haters cause they will always want to find something to hate no matter what you do. You guys will always be fighting a war that you can’t win. So the point of my long rambling is that…you guys have a lot more people on your side than against you and a lot of us will support whatever content you put out, not because we’re delusional fans but because we know you guys from all these years of following your works. Ultimately, I hope you guys will do whatever you enjoy the most because as long as you guys enjoyed doing it, we will enjoy watching it. It doesn’t matter what it is, how badly its edited or filmed. Stress and pressure is toxic to creativity and it all becomes meaningless once you no longer enjoy whatever it is that you are creating.
    Honestly, im kind of glad you guys are dropping KMM because its always been hard watching EYK get hate on by delusional and crazy fan girls. I couldn’t believe the crazy idiots who were harassing you guys on twitter. They just make their idols and fanbase look bad without changing ANYTHING.

    FYI- I used to never watch music monday videos although I eventually did just because I ran out of things to watch. I am WAY more interested in all you guy’s other videos. There are also many EYK fans who aren’t here for kpop :)

    5 years ago
    • Also theres no need to feel embarrassed about your old videos. Although the editing, lighting, etc. isn’t as professional, I still enjoy them as much as the new ones. I think the most important thing is really the ‘content’ and you guys have always had good content- a lot of it coming from simply being who you guys are. Don’t be ashamed of those days where you enjoyed sharing your jokes with us (no matter how stupid they may seem to you now) because you wouldn’t be where you are today without them :)

      5 years ago
  20. HI s and m, firstly, HOW AWESOME IS NASTY LOVE? I know it has been hard to see on twitter and tumblr, because we don’t really have much of a platform to show how much we support you guys, and we couldn’t rebut the ridiculous statements on twitter because DAMN YOU CHARACTER LIMIT!

    Anyway, the reason I, and so many other nasties, love your videos is because you are both so funny, and light hearted, and honest in your kmm reviews (though the other points stand for your other videos as well…I guess you could be honest about a croissant too?) Anyway, even if we didn’t agree with your opinions on kmm, most of us did not find it offensive, just the select few, now non-fans who dont understand the difference between having an opinion and saying extremely mean things against their apparently perfect idols.

    Thank you for making this post to try and clear some things up, and I want to say that you perfectly touched on a point people seem to be missing, you are both human beings, who make mistakes, and you have been reviewing those mistakes, and are taking advice and are trying to be both better people and make better videos as such. The thing with hyuna was about 4 years ago, and although time doesn’t fix mistakes, you have learnt from that mistake, and are trying your best to ensure you don’t make the same mistake again, but people who are trying to hate you will and have dug through all of your content ti find the most minute things they can use agains you, even if it was from 4 years ago.

    Anyway what I am trying to say is I don’t want you guys to stop being the funny, honest, bright, and friendly people we all love you for being, because of haters who don’t really have credible reasons for being so, which they would see they took a step back for 5 minutes. and anyway WHAT ARE YOU DOING AT ASC YOUNG MAN/WOMEN? YOU’RE SICK, SO GET YOURSELVES BACK INTO BED OR THEY COUCH OR ANYWHERE THAT INVOLVES YOU RESTING AND GETTING BETTER! *mum mode off*

    5 years ago
  21. Hi Simon and Martina! I am so happy that you guys went on After School Club! I don’t watch the show regularly but I love the show and especially this one since you guys are already friends with Kevin and Eric. It doesn’t even look like recording a show but just a hangout with friends!!!
    And also +1 to your supporter list because I am joining it! I first came across your video on polite hand gestures while I was searching on Youtube for videos about Korean culture. It was around 2 years ago when I started being interested in Korean culture and language so I watched a lot of the TL;DR. I learnt a lot from the fun videos! K-pop Music Monday introduce me to K-pop! I haven’t been too interested in K-pop before but watching your programs are just real fun and entertaining that I can’t help but start paying more attention to all the K-pop musics! What I like most about your programs are that you don’t just compliment on songs, food, or anything blindly and allows viewers to see it in a different angle. Moreover, you guys do it in a humorous and comedy way, which just make things x100 better^^
    I was so sad when you guys posted that there won’t be any videos in January…T^T I went on Youtube everyday to check for your new videos everyday for the last 2 years>< but I hope the EYK crew can have a good rest and come back with more awesome videos!!! and please keep on doing K-pop Music Mondays! I think it would be better if you can review on the whole album instead of just the title song because often for me, the title song is not my fav in the whole album. Please keep on doing it because this program is basically my source to new K-pop artist and song!
    OH and I am planning on having a 2-4 weeks vacation to Korea this coming summer!!! Can you possibly make a video on suggest sight seeing spots or even a whole route of seeing all the best things in Korea? Thank you soooooooo much and support you guys!!!

    5 years ago
  22. JISIMAKER 4 Lyfe!

    This was a really fun video! I have watched a good number of kpop music/talk/variety shows and after watching a few, they can get pretty repetitive and feel a bit rehearsed. Except Running Man, I love that show! I have only seen one other episode of After School Club, but as you guys said it seems very natural and fun.

    I also wanted to add to the out pour of Nasty love and say how wonderful you guys are! I found your videos from Martina’s first BB Cream review and then binge-watched all of your videos over the next two days. I personally have never been offended by anything you have done or said in your videos, probably because I have the same sense of humor, and I have seen the respect that you show to Korean culture and your fans. It seems that people get on their soap boxes when someone makes comments (positive or negative) about another culture, race, gender, etc. Like “I can talk smack about my momma, but you can’t” kind of thing. Or people being called a “weeaboo” just because they like Japanese culture, anime, manga, or whatever. It is almost like you are damned if you like it or damned if you don’t.
    I watch a lot of British comedians and they tend to slay Americans (excluding you Canada, everyone pretty much loves you guys) when it comes to their stand-up. At first I was really offended by the things that they said because it was someone from another country making fun of my country. However, when I stepped back and realized it was a joke and actually very accurate, I could laugh about it. Instead of seeing it as an attack just because they weren’t American, I understood that it was said in jest and there was nothing malicious behind it. Just because someone is from a different country or culture, doesn’t mean they don’t have a right to like, make observations, or comment on another country/culture. Especially if they are doing it in a respectful and appropriate manner. And if you don’t like what they are saying, walk away. You don’t need to seek them out and then take it upon yourself to get offended on behalf of other people. But I have just decided that you can’t make everyone happy and it is best to surround yourself with people that are kind, honest, and rational. Rational being the key word here.

    Anyway, on to happier thoughts. I honestly don’t know what I would do without your videos, so thank you so much for all that you do!! Wishing you health and happiness in 2015!

    5 years ago
  23. I agree with the comments I’ve been seeing on this post. The internet’s “witch hunt” mentality lately really frightens me. If you say one thing that some sensitive, naive kids don’t like, suddenly you’re the scum of the earth and deserve to die. I saw the hate you received for saying you were “Hitler” but I completely understand what you meant. Haters are acting like you are as terrible as Hitler. You are receiving threats worthy of being sent to Hitler. It’s a logical comparison, but some people didn’t bother to step into your shoes to understand why you said it.

    5 years ago
  24. I don’t know if you guys, sorry, guise, will see this, but I just wanted you to know that if all the people hating on you put that same energy into finding things to be cheerful about, like you guys do, this world would be wonderful indeed. <3

    5 years ago
    • Thanks for the great comment! We always read alllllll the comments even if we can’t respond to them all. It’s really easy to fall into an angry funk (I’ve been there before especially) but shifting your focus to cheerful things or helpful things (like volunteering at a food bank, feeding the homeless, being a Big Brother or Sister, walking animals at an animal shelter…) really imbues with positive energy.

      5 years ago
  25. Hi Simon and Martina! Long-time viewer, first-time commenter. I just wanted to add my voice to the support you’ve been getting on here. I LOVE your channel and check back regularly to see your latest batch of new videos when I need a good laugh. You’ve also re-introduced me back to K-POP. I was briefly bedazzled by it back in ’09 when Gee came out but didn’t give it much thought again until I started watching your videos last year. Now, I love listening to K-POP when I’m on deadline or need to get pumped for a workout. (My friends think it’s an odd personality-tic, but I say, to each their own!) So, thank you for that!

    I’ve got to agree with Irritablevowel’s thoughtful comments. The hate you’ve received seems to me to be 98% cyber-bullying, 2% valid, useful, thoughtful feedback and criticism. The 98% have got to be kids whose reasoning and critical thinking aren’t quite ready for prime-time. (And I have to say it kind of sucks if they’re your target audience…they are so damn fickle.) This 98% probably doesn’t understand different types of humor (PC and not-so PC), the meaning of the word “opinion”, and they are probably still cursed with pretty thin skins. If the 98% isn’t composed of crazy-obsessed and hyper-sensitive teens (oh yes, I was one once…), then I don’t know what this world is coming to. I’ve got mad respect for you for going to a new country, starting your own business(es!), and continually trying to up your game and learn from your mistakes. Yes, you might not know how your opinions will be perceived but you seem open to honest, constructive feedback from people from a variety of backgrounds, and that is sooooo important. All of us need to be schooled on our own ignorance occasionally. And, yes, the quality of your videos might vary from time to time – you can’t win all the time, and every enterprise has it’s ups and downs. And yes, you’ve grown up quite a bit since 2008; tastes and times change. So what? It’s your thing, you’re in the driver’s seat, you look at your environment and prospects and make your own decisions for your business and lives accordingly. I for one say: Keep doing what you’re doing! Many of us think you are AWESOME and hilarious and we love your work on the whole and will continue to support you.

    In closing: Don’t stop, believing…hold on to that feeling! (Yes, I’m old enough to know of and recite Journey lyrics…)

    (P.S. And I am TOTALLY patronizing your cafe when I next find myself in Seoul!)

    5 years ago
  26. Hey Simon and Martina,
    I’m not going to pretend to be your biggest fan but I’m sorry for the witch hunt that you’ve fallen victim to. It’s pretty embarrassing having to see so much unnecessary attack which you don’t deserve.
    Yes, I dislike and have felt offended by things you’ve said before, but hey – nobody’s perfect, you’ve acknowledged your faults, and you’re willing to be better. That’s all anybody can ask of you.
    I do hope you’ll always be ready to take in constructive criticism – even if it’s a little biting – rather than blocking every single tweet or comment. However, as for the name-calling, death threats and downright insulting and out-of-line comments, they’re not worth your time.
    There are a lot of people who are going to dismiss your apology and persist with finding faults in you. Please don’t feel discouraged by them from doing what you do. Your videos bring a lot of joy to your fans and I’m sure they’re willing to forgive. All the best.

    5 years ago
  27. Dear Simon and Martina :)
    It is so sad to read that you feel kind of regretful about your past videos.
    I’ve been wondering why you are not doing the k-pop mondays anymore and now I understand.
    I can only imagine how much hate you’re getting for simply making jokes and it is really sad.
    However, I personally think that K-pop Music Monday was your best panel ever!
    The really sad thing nowadays is that you cannot make a joke that is not offensive because someone will be offended by it. It is not a normal situation in today’s world. I belive that if you are in the entertainment industry and you make jokes about other entertainter’s work because that is your line of work – comedy, this is not something offensive. It’s not like you were making fun of somebody’s beliefs or personal life, you never did that. You never criticized kpop bands for let’s say religious choices or something of sort. You’ve been creating amazing parody videos which were really harmless, all it took for people was to have distance, be more relaxed and open minded. Even though I like a lot of Korean bands and music in general not just Korean, I don’t see myself as a fan or maybe I see myself as a true fan, normal fan. Unfortunatelly the industry not just in Korea is creating a lot of crazy fans, young people who worship their idols like gods. That is something I think you as public figures that you have become should fight with. But I know that it must be very hard for you, especially in Korea, a society that is extremely critical. Still I really hope you can make those fun parodies again, it was your strongest panel in my opinion. I still watch all of your videos cause you guys are such nice and fun people, but I miss something, it’s like you are still awesome, you have your cafe now which is like the best thing ever, but when it comes to videos, all is great but you don’t have this main segment anymore which is really sad for me. There were times when you said something about a band I like that I didn’t agree with but I never felt offended because you always emphasize that it is just your subjective opinion and you have a right to it and it shouldn’t offend anyone so I never felt angry at you for it, like never. There are movie critics and they have a right to criticise and even offend very often and yet it is okay for them so why wouldn’t it be okay for you to make parody videos and say your opinions and comment on new kpop videos. This fanatic culture that is happening on the internet should seriously stop you know, soon, for saying that you do not like a certain band or their song a fan might even try to take your life, it is ridiculous. As long as you stick to commenting somebody’s professional life and not private it is all okay I think. So once again I will say, I really hope you will make parody videos in the future. Don’t be afraid and fight for normality in this crazy internet and not only internet world. I do realize that it is easy for me to say because I’m not a public figure and I don’t get all of the hate in the comments but still guys :) I don’t know if you know this one movie “Cloud Atlas” but there is this one line I really like “I will not be subjected to criminal abuse” this phrase very much fits the world that we live in now. So guys stay strong!!! and maybe leave a comment on my post if you can, but there are probably too many comments. So take care and best greetings from Poland :) !!

    5 years ago
    • I totally agree with everything you just said. It was well written. :)

      5 years ago
  28. Really awesome you took the time to write this post because it couldn’t be discussed during the show. It really is an important subject and as a fellow Youtuber, I 100% agree to it all. I look back on very old videos and feel quite embarrassed or even on videos made only 2 months ago that I rushed and didn’t put my heart into.
    Lesson to be learn.
    Great tips as always! :)

    http://www.biibiibeauty.com

    5 years ago
  29. I love you guys <3 I watch every video and get really excited whenever a new is posted. I shall be happily awaiting your return, though don't rush it lol take as much time as you want :3

    5 years ago
  30. I noticed over the last few days the hate tweets toward you guys were heavy. Usually when I go to comment on a tweet of yours all I see is Nasty love, but not so this week. I was like WHAT is going ON?! Some of the things they were accusing you guys of I just found absolutely groundless. I also watched the show and could read the live comments/tweets scrolling at the bottom of my screen. Again the majority were hate comments. To that I say: why watch if you hate them? Why waste your time? I also say this to people who choose to attack you personally on twitter. I mean, seriously, what’s the point? I don’t usually waste my time with such online haters, but my curiosity got the best of me. Since I’ve moved to China, I’ve become WAY behind on watching your videos. I’ve seriously just been too busy and my internet connection as been crap up until a month ago. So I thought maybe I haven’t seen a video or read a blog post in which you said something to make them accuse you of these things. So I replied one of the outrageous tweets. First off, they don’t know the definition of words they used in their tweets. Second, they ended up making the same argument over and over to me – that you talked sh*t about them – but could never answer me on what that sh*t was. They now have stopped replying my tweets for a legit, solid evidence-filled answer. Have you guys said things that would anger or frustrate people? Yes. Has what you’ve said been hateful and rude? I don’t think so. One reason I’ve liked you guys is that you give a fresh perspective on things. Have I always agreed with these? No. But I’ve appreciated your opinions all the same. You’re entitled to your opinion just in the way I’m entitled to mine. But I think you do a pretty good job expressing these opinions in a way that isn’t hurtful. People today don’t realize the difference in someone having an opinion and someone being hurtful and mean. This isn’t just in the realms of Kpop but in EVERY thing. Shake it all off. Don’t let it go to heart. AND PLEASE don’t change your way of expressing yourself just because someone else can’t handle anyone disagreeing with their bubble of thought. There are plenty more people who follow you who can handle it and would be missing the new perspectives you guys bring to the table if you altered what you say. Hope this encourages you and uplifts your spirits a bit.
    – a transplant US Nasty in China

    5 years ago
    • sorry to hijack the comment section of this post! but I’ve been looking for Nasties in China for months! where in China are you? I’m a “transplant” European Nasty in Shanghai :D

      5 years ago
  31. Oh man, that Tetris analogy was beautiful. I’m still loving the way you guys at EYK are always growing and reflecting on things. Thank you for all the years and the years to come EYK Crew and friends!!

    5 years ago
  32. Grab a cuppa cos this is a long one
    I like EYK it makes me laugh.
    Thoughts on haters

    The odd thing about taking offence – It’s all about the person taking offence, not the perceived words/actions, as something you find offensive today, you wouldn’t even notice it two days later.
    This kind of attack is like the agro dude in the Bar:
    “ Hay you what you looking at” “You looking at me?” “you looked at me strange” wana go outside and I’ll smack your face in.
    And you hadn’t even noticed his existence – and that was the real problem. Violent attention seeking.
    The only “error ‘ you might have made was to tell the world that you were sick, = venerable = potential victim, and that ‘weakness” can be used to leverage perceived power and recognition by the needy.
    But the psychology of this is fascinating. And the behaviour will never be properly addressed, as clubs, schools, societies, religions, governments and terrorists use the same tactics to control and motivate (for good or bad) its members/population. If you follow me/belong to the group you are special and superior if you are not part of us you are not special you are subhuman and we can do whatever we want to you.
    Unfortunately this behaviour is part of being human, the scared sad lonely, desperately trying to belong and gain recognition and approval, as people are usually happiest in a clan/tribe, and to show that you belong to the Clan, you follow the leader – especially if the leader is a spiteful damaged unit, as you show really strong exaggerated support so they don’t turn on you!
    I wondered who these people really were who were spouting venom , and picked a hand full and had a rummage around in their social media, Internet not so anonymous, within nano-seconds I had found their full names, pets, younger siblings, friends and sporting team members. Where they went to school/ Uni and the clubs they are involved in, also the emails of club committees etc. They seemed bog standard normal likeable people. Also I followed links to other social media and blogs. Blogs talking about loneliness and problems with friends and family and not fitting in – the total teen to adult experience.
    One girl who had poured her heart out about loneliness seemed to be being groomed for something unsavoury as a clearly an adult was posting explicit material to her timeline – scary
    A couple others seemed a bit more unnerving, their accounts void of all personal stuff, and using a mature vocabulary and appeared to be driving things or cajoling others.
    Note: some of these scary people are older family men with unknown motivations …. Be aware.
    After reading some of the “trolls” blogs I just wanted to give them a big hug!
    But saying that being sad and lonely frustrated and angry at your current life or afraid of being excluded shouldn’t be a reason to attack and threaten people. Or at least you should be aware that in that state you can be easily manipulated into saying/doing things you wouldn’t normally do.

    Anyhoo carry on be happy have fun and cause no harm!

    5 years ago
  33. We nasties love you and all of your mistakes <3

    5 years ago
  34. Hello Simon & Martina from Australia <3
    My best friend had introduced me to you guys ages ago, before you had your studio, when you moved to seoul and when Meemers wasn't part of your family then :) What made me stick to you guys and love you was because of KKM and your personality. Most of the opinions you gave I mostly agreed and I liked it when you gave both your position and negative comments. I think people are a little more sensitive or either they're just young. I was like that when I first go into kpop back in 2008 then I grew and cared only about the music than the artist.
    When I found out that you guys were going to be on ASC, I was so excited and had hoped that one day you guys were going to on it, you know being good friends with Eric and Kevin :D The first part I enjoyed it until I went to look at the YT comments which made me feel a bit sad of the mean comments. I had met you guys two years ago (wow times goes by so fast) for the 1st kwave festival and it was the best moment that year in 2013. You guys were sweet and loving people. After meeting you I teared up a bit because of happiness LOL Keep doing what you doing and I'll keep supporting you guys. Wish you guys best of luck and succeed more in the future :)

    5 years ago
  35. Hey there!
    I just wanted to say that I don’t get what the racism is all about; everybody on yesterdays youtube chat was blaming you of racism… Seriously it was painfull to read the comments going on next to the ASC show vid. Why is everybody hating on you? I don’t see any particular racism and I very much believe you did NOT steal my money, like some other people wanted me to believe. -_-‘

    I do believe that you might have censored a bit too much. In all honesty, the video’s before 2013 looked a lot more unprompted. I get why you have to do the censoring -so I’m not blaming you- but I think it is a problem with society. People take themselves way too seriously and can’t see the fun in anything. They are just looking for hidden insults on their persona.

    And last, I’d like to express my sincere respect on the fact that you are able to keep going in spite of all the haters. I would certainly not be able to take all that crap and keep going. So, hats of to you!

    Cheers
    The crazy catlady

    5 years ago
  36. I met EYK (you guys^^) last year and you were some of the kindest people I have ever met. You were hilarious, sweet, nice, and you actually seemed like you wanted to get to know all of us, and took the time to listen to what we had to say, even though you were exhausted. There may be some misunderstandings and things that shouldn’t have been said over the years, but you do not deserve this, not at all. Butthurt people, people who have trusted a masspost on tumblr that has blown everything out of proportion and people who only have hate to give have been the ones to hate on you so much this past week. But people who take the time to listen, to assess their surroundings and make up their own opinions, they are the ones who have either stood by your side, stayed out of it, or simply not been a fan quietly. Trust me when I say you are not unkind people. I can vouch for that. That post is blowing things out of proportion, because regarding many of the points, you guys are just making fun of our idols JUST LIKE we do. I’m not saying you’re completely innocent either, but hey, everyone makes mistakes! It’s okay! It doesn’t make us worse people for that matter, it’s all a part of life. But having people call you “trash” 24/7 is not really nice either? How does hating on someone for hating on others make us any better ourselves? I think you have to take all of this negativity and turn it into something positive, even though it is difficult. I have seen you rise above situations and hardships before, and I have faith you will do it again. Do not let those who do not matter ruin something that does matter. Feel bad for those who only have hate inside, because that can’t be a very easy life either, and react back with love. Rise above them. Don’t let them bring you down to their level, because they aren’t even aware of their actions. I am so proud of you guys, and so thankful for all of the times you have made me laugh over the years. And hopefully I’ll be able to meet you guys again very soon^^ Whatever you decide to do in the future, I will be behind you 100%! Ignore the hate because it’s not worth your time or feelings. Do not let haters stop you from doing what you want to do. Learn from your mistakes and open their eyes by showing how you are getting better and better. I wish you luck on whatever medical situation you have been struggling with, and a healthy and relaxing hiatus period. Not gonna lie, I’m gonna miss you guys! But you totally deserve the time off! Enjoy it and put all of this bad behind you. It’ll be time to start a better chapter of your lives and career when you come back :) haters gonna hate and potaters gonna potate. Just keep doing you. As an embarrassing actor once said “You can either ride with me… or watch me drive by.” Love you guys. Hang in there. It’s all going to get better.

    5 years ago
  37. Ah, at times like these it’s nice to know we can take our solace and guidance from the one true source of inspiration and light. Yes, The Simpsons. And today I take my quote from Season 8, Episode 14:

    “Comic Book Guy: Last night’s Itchy & Scratchy was, without a doubt, the worst episode ever. Rest assured that I was on internet within minutes registering my disgust throughout the world.
    Bart Simpson: Hey, I know it wasn’t great, but what right do you have to complain?
    Comic Book Guy: As a loyal viewer, I feel they owe me.
    Bart Simpson: What? They’ve given you thousands of hours of entertainment for free. What could they possibly owe you? I mean, if anything, you owe them.
    Comic Book Guy: Worst episode ever.”

    Here endeth the lesson.

    5 years ago
  38. Hello, Simon and Martina! I love your videos, in particular your K-pop Music Mondays (which is how I discovered you guys). You guys are hilarious, even though some of your opinions can be a bit overboard. But I understand that we all make mistakes.

    I had not left any comments on your blogs, but as I read through the post and all of the negative comments, I am rather upset at those people who can’t seem to take a joke, they seem to think that their idols are greatly offended, by just one negative comment. They just don’t seem to understand that people have different opinions and tastes (I like some of your favourite songs, but not all), or that their idols are not the centre of your life. I am deeply upset that you have to deal with all of the hate, and now that you have take down KMM. I hope the EYK crew have a great year, and I can’t wait to see what lies ahead.

    Fighting!
    Greetings from Canada! :D

    5 years ago
  39. Well….i really reaaaalllyyyy like your videos *.* It’s horrible that people can be so cruel just because they don’t agree with you.That really makes me sad that you guys need to read such rude comments.I hope you guys continue doing cool videos cuz your videos always make my day better :) Fighthing! Greets from Brazil \o

    5 years ago
  40. Hey EYK! I’ve never left any comments on your blog or on your videos before, but after this week (seeing all of the negative comments being spread), I just wanted to take a moment to leave a comment on this post. I just wanted to thank both of you. I remember stumbling across your channel in early 2012, and since then I have been a huge fan. In fact, it was from watching all of your videos that I became greatly interested in Korean culture. I hope one day to meet you and thank you in person. You two seem like very nice people and it’s a shame that not everyone can see that. I hope everyone at EYK has a fantastic year and I can’t wait to see what lies ahead for you guys!
    Lots of love,
    G.C.

    5 years ago