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Intellectual Property and Ripping Shit Off in Korea

August 1, 2013

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Ok, so this is a bit of a random topic, but it’s something we feel is worth talking about. It doesn’t have a lot of practical info for you if you’re coming to visit Korea. Not like you need to know what things to pack and, also, worry about your copyrights, but it’s a topic we’re somewhat passionate about, since it’s one that affects us. Korean businesses rip off a lot of other people’s shit, and that freaking sucks. We talked about a couple of stories today in which we were affected, but there are others, some of which we had to settle out of court, that we won’t be talking about here.

The legal jargon of copyrights and intellectual properties is something that’s beyond us. I’m sure there’s a lot of legality to the issue that we just don’t have the knowledge to speak about, and I’m sure some people who are lawyers in Korea will be able to say in so many words that it’s not copyright infringement if blankity blank blank fart blank. Or, who knows: maybe there are some laws about international intellectual property here in Korea that allow for Angelina Jolie bars to run. Or maybe Angelina Jolie was like “yeah! I’d love to have my pics all over a bar in Bucheon” Who knows. All we can really comment on is our experiences and how we perceive the situations around us.

At the same time, I remember reading a while ago that a tech company, namely SpaceX, won’t patent its intellectual property, simply because China would just use that as a recipe book. Great metaphor, really, and basically gives us the impression that we have here. Ideas from other countries can be ripped off, and there isn’t really much that can be done to stop it.

Side note: I know some of you know what company we were referring to that took a lot of our footage after we refused to be on the show. Buuut, notice how we didn’t name them? Why, you might ask? Defamation laws! Korea’s got some bizarre laws in which you can’t publicly say bad things about people, even if those things are freaking goddamned 100% true. We have close friends of ours who recently got fired from their schools wrongfully, and assaulted by the school’s owner as well, but they can’t go public with that on the internet because they’d get sued for defamation. I’m sure that there’s more subtlety and variation to the law, but we’re not familiar enough with it. All we know is that it’s damning enough to be afraid of speaking out publicly. And, seeing how this is a big company that we’re talking about, and we’re just petty foreigners with little protection here, we’re going to be as vague as possible. Yep.

Anyhow, you heard us also mention in the video the idea not only that we didn’t want to be in that major network’s video, but also the reason WHY we didn’t want to be there, which we just touched on a bit. Basically, we get contacted from time to time from TV shows who want us to play the role of the fun foreign couple who comes to Korea and is amazed by everything. “Oh! The food is so spicy but so delicious! We did not know your country makes such great food! Wow! And it is good for your health too! This country amazes me so much!” What’s bizarre about these shows is that they’re on Korean channels, spoken by Korean hosts, subtitled in Korean (or, they even want us to say these things in Korean), and aired for a Korean audience. What purpose do these shows serve, apart from feeding the audience’s sense of nationalism and pride? It’s not educational. It’s not meant for other countries to watch. It’s ego-stroking, really. We agreed to do those shows before we really knew what they were like and the message they conveyed, but now we’re not interested in doing them. Does that mean that we refuse all shows? No. There’s another major network we’ve been speaking with who have suggested a cool concept for a show, which we’re totally down for, and which doesn’t reek of nationalism.

And, sure, I know some people will say that the nature of those shows we’re against is essentially what we do with our videos as well: we’re showing the world the awesomeness of Korea. But there’s a difference, I think. We can talk about things that are annoying. We can say what we think is wrong. Sure, whenever we do say something negative it’ll come at the cost of getting nationalist netizens demanding our deportation, but we’re at least trying to come at Korea with a grain of salt. We’re more interested in sharing our stories, rather than spreading a message of Korea’s supremity. We’ll do the same no matter what country we’re in.

Ok, this got a bit heated. Sorry for ranting. This TV show thing annoyed us, and what better place to talk about it than here? You guise are cool people with whom we can discuss these things rationally. You commenting Nasties are legit :D We’re more than ok with talking about any of the points here, about copyrights and intellectual property and trying to get a better understanding of Korea’s stance on it, or even about our positions on different kinds of Korean TV shows with foreigners. Let us know what you think.

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  1. Might Memebox’s, “WTF: Wonderful Treasure Finds Box” be one of those rippy offy situations?
    http://us.memebox.com/memebox-global/current-boxes/52-wtf-wonder-treasure-finds#.VBxymvldUmM

    5 years ago
  2. Could you do a TLDR about how foreigners are represented in korean mass media? What image they have and how are they treated if they are a part of a program (e.g. talk show)? Are there any typical roles that foreigners have to play when appear in tv? Thanks :D PS. Love your videos :D:D

    7 years ago
  3. This is really, seriously, messed up. I don’t even know what else to say. We would never dare even *think* about doing things like that around where I live. Can we ship some of our lawyers over there? I mean, that should be a simple enough solution. We have too many, they don’t seem to have enough. We’ll share. Or maybe trade for some of the Kpop idols. How many lawyers per Kpop idol do you think would be fair?

    Back to being serious- I hope that Korea does start to put forth an effort to respect other countries and the rights of the people in those countries. It makes me slightly sick to my stomach to think that they could be so arrogant as to have us pay them for their music, then go behind our backs and steal the work of our artists. (I do realize not everyone there is doing that, but, still… That’s messed up.)

    7 years ago
  4. Guise, you never did your honeymoon TL;DR. Would you plez describe it, and if there were any funny stories? :)

    7 years ago
  5. Black Face?! Oh lord….

    7 years ago
    • i am honestly asking this…
      is black face really THAT bad?

      i don’t know about all the instances this has happened in korean shows but as long as they’re not making fun of the race isn’t it fine?
      when i read of black face i instantly think of White Chicks
      in the UK too there is a show called Little Britain and one of the white men dress up as a black woman…

      7 years ago
      • omg yes, black face is terrible! Please read up on it!!!! Even just a little to know WHY it’s wrong http://black-face.com/

        7 years ago
      • There has been more recent debates about this. I think it is a practice no one really cares to bring back, I mean what is the point really? Black face brings up two major issues. 1) It was a way to keep black people out of the entertainment business. It implied that they were inferior performers. 2) It perpetuates lots of negative stereotypes, which is the biggest problem in modern society.

        Recently black face and it’s appropriateness in society has been talked about because there was a fashion article in a major magazine where models painted their skin black. (one being Vogue) Another case was when a playboy bunny dressed up as Lil Wayne for Halloween. Generally said, it is BAD because what practical reason is there to go into black face? None. If you aren’t making fun of black stereotypes, then why wouldn’t you just hire a black person to do the role?

        7 years ago
      • Black Face AND White Face are both bad, which is why I don’t like that movie. Even if other people don’t think Black Face is offensive, people of color have said that they don’t like it, and in my experience, when someone tells me that something I’m doing offends them or makes them uncomfortable, I don’t do it anymore, and I don’t try to tell them that they shouldn’t be offended. Not trying to call you out, just want to let you know my opinion :)

        7 years ago
      • When u think of black face u should probably instantly think of the history of it first rather than current events. It really is THAT BAD. The history is why no matter how ppl do it it is unacceptable

        7 years ago
        • but kroea doens’t have the same history as america, do they? different countries find different thing offensive, blackface isn’t a thing in korea (and in many other countries)

          7 years ago
        • If Korea wants to go global with K-Pop, then they have to realize that there are things that they can and cannot do

          7 years ago
        • It doesn’t matter. Korea didn’t have black ppl there for a long time as well but now they do & should know why they may face backlash for doing it. Black people, no matter what country they are from, were mocked with blackface. It’d be different if u were talking about a country custom but this is an entire race of ppl we are talking about. Black ppl in the UK would be just as offended by blackface as those in…Alabama.

          7 years ago
      • Yeah… it’s that bad

        http://populargusts.blogspot.ca/2012/03/three-decades-of-black-face-in-korea.html <- This is a good summary of how it is in Korea

        7 years ago
      • Little Britain is pretty awful for a lot of reasons. It’s just another of those shows which claim to be satirizing bigotry as an excuse to propagate bigotry.

        7 years ago
    • I thought the exact same thing and then had to google the hell out of it…ridiculous.

      7 years ago
    • I wonder if they know that’s why two Pokemon had to get re-designed oh wait Gen 1 and 2 except for Crystal and Gen 3 never can to Korea

      7 years ago
    • Yeah… On top of that, they do perform black face on Korean variety shows. Not in ye oldie past but in modern times.

      -_-

      7 years ago
  6. Dear Simon & Martina:
    CAN THERE BE SPUDGY AND MEEMERS SOCKS? xD

    pretty please with rainbows and ranch on top <3

    7 years ago
  7. Martina and Simon – you guys have very beautiful teeth :D

    7 years ago
  8. international station huh… I think I know which one already. Ahaha

    7 years ago
  9. You saw it and every Nasty what question them about the Copyright XD
    Like you dont have the right to use it. And i was happy that you saw that XDD

    Greets from Germany.. Copyright is a big and expensive thing :D

    7 years ago
  10. Keeps Broadcasting Shit

    7 years ago
    • I knew it! I saw the video last night in their youtube channel. I was supposed to watch it today, but after reading this, nah, never mind.

      7 years ago
    • The really sad part is that they are one of the only companies to fully sub their content on youtube for international/foreign fans. smh

      7 years ago
    • Nice one ^^

      7 years ago
    • I think I saw that episode yesterday. It had the both of you ordering fast food (one of the older videos) and Simon had those green pants. The moment I refreshed the site, they had taken the video down.

      7 years ago
    • Clever you and your clever secret messages haha

      7 years ago
    • I witnessed EYK Crew’s Gentleman video on one of programs airing on this K*S and I thought they’ve asked permission already! Little did I know then….

      7 years ago
    • lol, at first i was like ‘wat?’ but then a few seconds later…’ahhhh, i get it’

      7 years ago
    • You so SNEAKY!

      7 years ago
    • Nicely done.

      7 years ago
    • What’s up with all the down votes here? Is there a secret agent from KBS to monitor and find out who complains about their ignorance of copyrights? Ooops, I just said the company name!

      7 years ago
    • OHHHHHH thats so nasty…..

      7 years ago
    • I like you!

      7 years ago
    • simon and martina are really upset about this, it seems, they decided to take adventage of their tldrs to rant about it (in a sly manner). You’d think someone who cares so much about this wouldn’t do something like ripping off themselves…surprise surprise: http://depyonggie.tumblr.com/post/42076553207/a-little-rant-about-eyk. Maybe they only care because they were the ones whp didn’t get profit of their image this time

      7 years ago
    • i see what you did thar

      7 years ago
  11. What i don’t understand is that korean doesn’t really care about shop’s copyright but on the other hand when it come to kpop companies, there is a huge problem with song’s copyright.

    7 years ago
    • It’s not plagiarism. They rather call it ‘sampling’.

      7 years ago
      • Yeaah, but sampling has to be done a particular way, too, and Kpop companies are starting to get in trouble for both — GLAM’s I Like That got pulled from their youtube channel for an improperly licensed sample, frex. And I’m just waiting for someone at Disney to get alerted to Tahiti’s new track, which is clearly based on and Aly & AJ song.

        SM has gotten pretty good at buying proper rights, though. Then again, they have more international fans that most.

        7 years ago
  12. The kpop companies sure get on people’s butts on youtube for using their stuff. For example a person who might use a kpop video so that they can include Hangul, English and Romanization lyrics so that international fans can learn a song…

    7 years ago
    • Actually, there is some truth to that, but also a lot of it is automated with the system YT users to crawl videos.

      7 years ago
      • Bingo. YouTube has a Content ID system that automatically finds these things and takes action. It’s automated. It’s not like companies can browse through all of YouTube and pick videos to take down. I’m surprised myself with how many times our videos are reuploaded on other YouTube channels as well…

        7 years ago
        • True, but they give priority to big, commercial companies. Which is why NASA loss rights to the Mars rover landing got treated to a DMCA copyright takedown. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/08/as-curiosity-touches-down-on-mars-video-is-taken-down-from-youtube/ All the news companies claimed rights to the content, and the NASA site was actually temporarily shutdown. This has happen a lot. News stations highlighting a viral video on YouTube then filing the video under their copyright, getting the original maker a DMCA notice.

          7 years ago
        • that sucks. for some big corporate company to take down YOUR OWN video when they are the one who took it from you in the 1st place. that really sucked.

          7 years ago
  13. I thought about this in that song by Girls Generation, The Boys. Especially the middle part of the song. Its exactly the same as Rob Base and DJ E-Z Rock in that song It Takes Two. Like serious rip off! I almost can’t believe they performed it live in America without people noticing!

    7 years ago
    • I noticed it too. Apparently “sampling” is hard and extremely time consuming to prove in court. Especially if it’s the artist’s property and not the record company’s. The prices of licensing are usually cheap (to use in a song, as opposed to play it on a show – shows get tons of ad revenue, they can afford more). I don’t understand why people insist on ripping off. For example, I’ve heard in an interview that Weird Al got permission for every one of his parody songs from the artists, every single one.

      7 years ago
      • Important to note here is the fact that Weird Al is covered by another section of copyright law–the right to create a parody–and while he got permission from the artists he was parodying because he’s a nice guy, he wasn’t legally obligated to do so.

        7 years ago
        • TOTALLY true dat. However, considering how popular his parodies were and how much money he had to have made off of them, I think that he was glad for the extra butt coverage in the end even if he only got it because he was being nice and not because he needed it. I think that the artists he parodied probably really appreciated being asked.

          7 years ago
    • There’s a difference between homage and ripping someone off. Don’t forget that the song was composed (and original English written by) Teddy Riley, who’s at least as recognizable a name in American music as Rob Base, and who would know that those lyrics are distinctive and identifiable with “It Takes Two” (which, by the way, sampled its hook from a 1972 song, “Think” by Lyn Collins).

      The partial quote of the lyric was a deliberate reference to the older song, and doing things like that (whether it’s directly sampling a recording or making reference to lyrics) is something that’s commonplace in pop music, whether American or Korean.

      7 years ago
      • I would think Teddy would have gotten the rights to sample the song.

        7 years ago
        • It’s a lyrical reference, though, and while not just the lyrics but the cadence of the rap are imitated, it’s one that a) is insignificant enough to the song as a whole and b) is obvious enough to be recognized as homage. Pitbull’s “Hotel Room Service,” for example, lyrically references a number of songs, including “Rapper’s Delight” by the Sugar Hill Gang and Jay-Z’s “I Just Wanna Love You,” but credits none of the writers of those songs on the song’s credits.

          7 years ago
  14. OMG. This is also common here over at our place .__.

    7 years ago
  15. The label on the socks say BigBang but it has Girl’s Generation on it… WAAAT

    7 years ago
  16. can you talk about ghost stories or urban legends in korea
    like in america we have like none stop based on true events ghost story movies, like The Conjuring just came out.
    or since I am mexican we have la llorona, which is the weeping women, which is about a woman who drowned her children and killed herself and goes around looking for her children in the night crying out for them
    others like bloody mary, donkey lady, the devil dance.
    but do koreans have things like that? ghost stories, etc.
    I would really like to know, cause I plan on visiting korea soon and I love a good horror/ghost story or haunted places to visit
    ohhh so long lol

    7 years ago
    • as far as my netflix goes most of the korean movies on their seem to be horror movies. im a chicken when it comes to scary movies so i wouldn’t be able to recommend any specific ones lol!

      7 years ago
      • yea I have seen most of them
        but I want them to speak about something based on a true story or a place that is really haunted in korea
        I really dont like scary stuff cause I do have nightmares after, but for some reason I cant get enough

        7 years ago
    • I would love this! I know Japan has some pretty crazy ones. I mean crazy like I doubted if it was a JOKE. Nope. There are poop demons in Japanese urban-lore. It should be fun to see if there are any overlapping legends with countries.

      7 years ago
  17. I don’t agree with your opinion, mainly because you can hate parts of something you love, (and also because people voted for the other TL;DRs so it wasn’t really their choice and I don’t want them to lie about their views) BUT I never thumbs people down for opinions… I only do it if it’s spam or just outright hate, so I am using this reply as an apology for one of your Vote Downs. I thought it was the button to push so I can see the replies to your comment! (Although if you’re unsubscribing I suppose it doesn’t matter, but just in case~)

    7 years ago
  18. Gosh that is so frustrating for you guys. You are always welcome to rant to your nasties ;)

    7 years ago
  19. Wow very serious TL;DR. I hope you guys don’t have to put up with any shit from any company who takes yours stuff. But on a side note, can I just say how good Simon and Martina look? You guys have lost a ton of weight and you look sooooo incredible (not that you didn’t look gorgeous/ handsome before)!

    7 years ago
  20. The first time I ever saw S&M was on Mnet in DC. I thought they were just on the show at that time….wow. I’m kind of shocked right now.

    7 years ago
  21. Question: Do they have anything in the Korean copyright laws related to “fair use” like we do in the US, for example, if you wanted to upload a music video for the purposes of critical review and stuff like that?

    7 years ago
  22. I am not surprised by this TL;DR showing up lol, and by the by, I’m just throwing this out there, but I can say that as a librarian, libraries actually buy the rights to share the materials in their collection. (And if you lose or damage the book and you think the price is a little high to replace it or you think “why is there a ‘processing fee’?” now you know why~)

    Anywho, I don’t really care for brands too much so getting a knock off has never appealed to me, and neither has going to a certain place because a celebrity has endorsed it. THAT SAID, I know I wouldn’t want people to use my face on something without asking, and I certainly wouldn’t want people to claim anything I create as their own.

    Sometimes I show support to brands, because their products work for me and work well, or their products are of good quality and their business model is more ethical. So when people make or buy knock offs of those brands, it kinda sucks because that’s less support they receive. Then there’s also smaller creative ventures like EYK that I enjoy, so I support EYK and would feel put out should someone make money off of EYK without permission. I guess consent is really the name of the game though eh?

    7 years ago
  23. Haha the thumbnail is awesome. I have some Obama socks.

    7 years ago
  24. Question , because i am a little confused when you guys use Taemin on your shirts and B2ST is that the same thing or is it different? (I am a little bit of an idiot so bear with me)

    7 years ago
    • good point

      7 years ago
    • It’s different from just flat out using their names and logos

      7 years ago
      • I saw at Forever 21 a couple months ago a shirt that said something like KEEP CALM AND GANGNAM STYLE, with a cartoony PSY image… I guess it happens over here, too.

        7 years ago
        • When I went overseas there was so many Psy thirsts it wasn’t even funny, I guess it’s just something popular. Where do you come from?

          7 years ago
  25. Nic

    Ah man…. this comes up a lot in our conversations. I think Korean people will have to get used to paying more for things as well for this to change. I’ve had discussions with my husband and Korean friends about things like cards, because they will complain about the cost of something like a birthday card in Australia when they can get something in Korea for about 50 cents… but often those cards are using an artist’s work without permission. They are cheap because the images have been stolen and they didn’t pay the artist. As an artist I prefer paying a lot more for a nice card where I know people are being paid properly.

    7 years ago
  26. It’s so interesting that you had this as your topic this week. I went to a meeting where a lawyer talked to us about intellectual property. If anyone tells you that changing a product to a certain percentage (not sure how much it was… 70%?) makes it free game, that is totally incorrect. If you’ve produced it, you automatically have some rights to it as well. Write it down, make it, document your creation and you can fight pretty much any copyright infringement from those pesky intellectual thieves.

    7 years ago
  27. Hey Simon and Martina!
    I was wondering what the deal with profanity is in South Korea? In the west (America where I live) Cussing or the use of profane words is very common in our society (like music, television, movies etc). I was wondering what Korea’s view on that are. Is it taboo? Do Korean people curse in everyday life like people in the west do? Or is it something that is not part of society there? Thank you for being awesome!! ~Krista Sannuto

    7 years ago
    • I would like to know more about this too. Plus, what do Korean curse words translate directly to in English? Most subtitles sort of just put a roughly similar English curse word, so I can’t tell if they’re actually saying something that “proper” society would frown upon in Korea.

      7 years ago
  28. Awesome video guys. Sad to hear about the socks, I really want a pair :P

    7 years ago
  29. I’m thinking it would be done in the way of the variety shows that visit different places in Korea. Running Man I know in particular always makes a point of pointing out the local cuisine, scenery, etc. to entice people to visit. Probably something along those lines but with foreigners instead of Korean nationals.

    7 years ago
  30. i do hope you are sueing those motherfuckers

    7 years ago
  31. noooo i’m also Dominican-American and this is sad to hear :/ just please don’t say she tried to make it into a bachata song?

    7 years ago
    • Not really, but she really took the song and made in to some stupid-passe reggaetonero anthem. It was really silly.

      7 years ago
      • wow! well i’m glad she got called out on it and hopefully YG finds out

        7 years ago
  32. I understand what you guise are saying and agree with you 100 %. …but I don’t think you could do something about it…individuals can’t win against a big company…and even if it’s a smaller company, I think it would be a great financial loss and still it won’t be certain you win…(court processes are so life-draining). I guess this is probably how some music artists/(art) artists feel when they see their work displayed somewhere else without their aproval and even worse, seeing it being distributed to the public for free (when they worked hard for it).

    …that’s how life is..in the end… more bad than good things happen… and you always have to try and see the brighter side more…..to balance out the bad side…

    I know that…when something bad happens you feel like all are coming at you at once… sometimes… I don’t know what to do to make you guise feel more at ease… おかあさん …おとうさん がんばって ください!!! > . <

    http://getchanceandluck.deviantart.com/art/Yamada-264154069

    ♥♥♥♥♥♥

    7 years ago
  33. This comment is addressed to Martina, Simon, SooZee or Leigh (when she gets back). Y’know, whoever happens to open it first. In your most recent TL;DR: TL;DR – Intellectual Property and Ripping Shit Off in Korea, you mention so many things that I sometimes don’t even think about since the type of copyright stuff does not concern me yet (at this stage in my life anyway). A lot of people agree with what you’re saying and I generally don’t approve of people taking stuff from other no matter WHAT country it is. BUT as a result of this video, some people think you guise might not be doing your videos so… legally, either. I honestly just want to know. Here is a comment from the video. “wait this bring me to a question does eatyou’tkimchi get permission to use k pop clips they show on eatyou’rkimchi show? like from any of k pop agencies like sm/jyp/yg??” <—(word for word). I hadn't really thought of it like that and if I did, it wasn't a prominent thought in my mind. So I asked about the people who do reaction videos and this same person said, "thats really up to them some people do reaction to connect with other k pop fans i know some very populer k pop reaction vlogger is nolonger doing it any more because she recived multiple warnings point is SandM is pobly illegally using k pop clips" <—(word for word, again. So. Much. Grammar. Mistakes.) I don't think this person has malicious intent but it caught my attention. Anyway I was wondering if you could talk about it in anyone of your segments for a little bit. It could be in a Kpop Music Monday or a TL;DR (not through the whole video but just a little something to inform people). And I'd like to know as well. Thank you for you time Mr.& Mrs. Stawski.*

    P.S. I'm really not sure what this qualifies as. I was wondering if it should just be a comment on YouTube (not enough space), a comment in your eatyourkimchi blog, or in the personal inquiries section. But I'm a bit confused now. Do you answer these types of questions in this section? I know you specifically say, "Is this a question for our TL;DR segment? Ask it in the comment section to our video!" But honestly if you do happen to answer this through a video, you can put it where you want because I doubt you'd want to make a full TL;DR about such a similar topic.

    P.P.S.*Does it feel odd/strange in ANY way to have strangers (first time viewers) and Nasties alike call you Simon and Martina? Do you feel, I don't know, disrespected in any way?*

    7 years ago
    • copyright laws usually have a fair use clauses that allow for brief clips of copyrighted materials to be used as long as the person using the clips are compiling them in a unique way for one of a handful of purposes like commentary, news report, criticism, teaching ect.

      So because Music monday is a review/commentary/criticism video it’s within fair use to use clips to illustrate their points.

      7 years ago
    • Jokerfish has it right. The insert only a small portion of the full video which is well within the fair use clause.

      7 years ago
    • Sorry I’m not Simon or Martina, but regarding the possible copyright infringement by EYK I’m pretty sure they aren’t doing anything wrong. S&M aren’t taking these KPOP MVs and saying “Hey look at what we did”. It’s more of “Hey look at this MV that (Band) released. Here’s what we think”. It’s like citing an author in a research paper. You can use a direct quote so long as you don’t claim you were the one that said it. Full credit is still being given to the band (and by extension the entertainment company) for every song they review.

      7 years ago
      • I’m a huge fan of Simon and Martina, I love watching their videos; and I’d love to stand up for them for that concept of “fair use,” but I can’t because they profit off merch with labels such as “Taemin” or “B2ST” Are they getting permission from B2ST or Taemin or their companies? I doubt it. Sorry to seem like such a bitch, but I’m just kind of pointing it out since I saw someone write it in the YT comments and I totally agree.

        7 years ago
        • There isn’t a problem with Taemin because it’s just a name. From a legal stand point they could be referring to anyone named Taemin. I know we all know which Taemin, but there’s no copyright on someone’s first name. As far as B2ST goes, I’m not really sure. There might not be a problem at all because their MVs and stuff are copyrighted but not their actual band name. But like I said I’m not really too sure about that one. Either way there’s no malicious intent behind the usage of either of these.

          7 years ago
        • Understood, haha. But from my point of view, there was no malicious intent behind the usage of their videos during the KBS video, I think they’re just being hypocrites. But, I understand because they were NOT CREDITED AT ALL, even their watermark was covered. O well, there’s always different ways of looking at it.

          7 years ago
    • Great point, I agree

      7 years ago
  34. So, how do we get your permission if we want to use EYK stuff? Like if I want to call my fantasy football team the Nasties and use EYK logos and such with links back to you guys, is that ok? Or is there a formal permission process or anything?

    7 years ago
    • Well, this past spring semester I was in a Web and Digital Media Design class and we had an assignment to make a video. A huge part of the class had focused on learning copyright laws, so when it came time to make my video, I decided to put what we had learned to the test. I wanted to use Simon and Martina’s music from their WANK/FAP FAP videos in my video, so I e-mail them and asked them for permission to use the music and told them I wouldn’t be uploading it anywhere. :) They said it would be fine since it was for a class project, so I would just try e-mailing them about it and explain what you would like to do. ^-^

      7 years ago
  35. that’s so true, they make all these fake brands copying the logos but tweak it. i myself have a pair of shorts that have PINK on the butt but the little doggy logo is so not pink’s…looool it’s missing its ears
    BUT NO MORE KPOP SOCKS???? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    i’ll try to explain the logo part a little bit: i’m korean so i can see why it’s not that big in korea. intellectual property as a whole isn’t really considered “property,” although as you said, it is gradually changing now. i guess this can account to the more group-oriented mindset so seeing just a logo as something they have to get permission for is seen more ridiculous than not asking permission for it. it’s like “well just bc you made it doesn’t mean you can’t share it” and a lot of those logos, like apple or nike, are HUGE companies anyways with big profits and those korean companies ripping off the logo know they’re not gonna get even close to that much money so it’s like “no big deal.”

    although the TV show *coughKBSworldcough* downloading your stuff is messed up. they are so tightass about taking their variety show vids off YT but they’re completely ok with taking other people’s videos from YT wtf

    7 years ago
  36. you know you should totally sue that company, right? you guys are too nice.

    i hope they find out about this video and get scared.

    dumbasses… -_-

    7 years ago
    • They are the small fish in the big pond. Handling a copyright lawsuit that big would cost a lot of money, which they don’t have but their competitor does. It just doesn’t work on their favor.

      7 years ago
  37. I hate how people seem to have no respect for people or their property I can only hope that the next generations will do better :(

    7 years ago
  38. Speaking of this topic… I thought I heard EYK music used on a Jenna Marbles video…. But I saw this video a while back… Maybe I’m wrong…

    7 years ago
  39. This just reminds me that when I was in China two weeks ago there were (Chinese) products with Yoona’s face on the advertisement posters, and I thought, “well there’s no way she’s endorsing that…”

    7 years ago
  40. Seriously, I do know that if every single hollywood stars, corporate owners of the said product, the GM of Chicago bulls saw those illegit usage 100% sure they will be all shut down. I know it will be a pain in the a** but its the idea of other people that they are using. For you two Simon and Martina I feel your pain when other people use your videos without any permission. Such a pain. Come on Korea you must use your creativity to create your logo.

    7 years ago