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A Guide to Fanfiction and Gag Concert

March 24, 2014

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I know you were so lonely these past few days, without our DICKS to keep you company. Aren’t you glad to see us again? And today we’re teaching you how to impress your Korean boss, how to make Soo Zee’s mum laugh, and how to select your ideal fan fiction. Ready? Read on!

Popular phrases (aka 유행어)

Soo Zee here, yo! These phrases and references will definitely come up on your conversations and it’s good to know where it comes from at least. Most of the 유행어 come from the popular comedy TV show ‘Gag Concert’ (link). You might not find this kind of humor funny, and it gets repetitive sometimes but the phrases are pretty catchy.

“느낌 아니깐~~”


(start at the 6 minute mark)

This one ranked number one on the list of 2013’s most popular phrases, and it’s funny if you use it here and there in inappropriate context. Please keep in mind, you have to imitate the same tone and way she says it! Just saying it normally wouldn’t make people laugh. You’ve got to put your acting skillz to use.

“앙돼여~~”

Another my favorite phrase these days is 앙돼여~~. This comes from a skit comparing two different middle aged couple who are dating. One is the calm, well-mannered, somewhat average couple, but the other one is loud, obnoxious, and cheesy. Here, watch it first.

When she swings her arms and says “앙대여~”, it’s so satisfying. I tried to imitate it, but it was a huge failure… Guys this is Ahjumma aegyo (if you don’t know what aegyo is, just watch our Gwiyomi Challenge video here [insert link]) and I love it! I love her thick needy accent, her outfit, the dance, and the song!!!!

Ship

We all know what fan fiction is, right? If you aren’t sure, you should google fanfic now, otherwise the following paragraphs are going to sound like an alien language. In fact, even if you are familiar with fan fiction in a vague, general sense, you still might be confused, because the fan fiction community has a whole host of very specific terms for very specific things.

We talked about “ship” this week, which is short for “relationship.” Fanfics usually center around a central relationship in a set of previously established characters. These fanfics “ship” those (usually two) characters. Likewise, fans of a pairing are “shippers” of so-and-so. You can ship two people that are not actually together in the original canon. For example, Martina who loves fanfic, ships Loki and Jane (known as Lokane from Thor), Draco and Hermione (from Harry Potter), and Buffy and Spike.

I’m not an expert, so I’m relying on you Nasties to help us out with the specifics. There is such an incredible diversity of fan fictions out there, and there’s no way we could talk about it one measly blog post. But in case you’re new to fan fiction and trying to navigate the vast amount of work out there, here are some other fan fiction terms you might come across:

OTP – one true pairing (we covered this in the video)
Slash – homosexual pairings, like GD/TOP or Hermione/Ginny
Oneshot – usually fanfic is written in chapters and posted as the writer develops the story. A oneshot is a standalone, single writing piece
Fluff – usually short, generally not plot heavy, always romantic and warm fuzzies-inducing
Canon – when the events portrayed are accurate to the official source material. so, since Jay Park left 2PM in real life, he’s not part of 2PM in a canon piece either
AR – alternate reality, usually a “what-if” scenario that uses the source material as a jumping off point, like if Edward never returned to Forks and Bella stayed with Jacob
Crossover – mixing your characters or worlds from different source materials, say Loki and Sookie Stackhouse
Lemon/Lime/Citrus/Smut/M – contains sexual material and/or might only focus on sexy times (but sometimes it is fantastic plot with a splash of sexy times)

Do you agree with the above definitions? Have they changed recently or mean something different to you? Let us know! I would absolutely love to recommend some stellar fan fiction for you guys, but I haven’t really read all that much. So maybe we could all help each other out and share some good ones in the comments? We should probably indicate what kind of style/genre/ship. That would be really cool. And let’s try to be nice and non-judgemental here, okay? Different strokes for different folks. Intern Leigh out!

Bonus Round : 싸가지

I found out while writing this blog post 싸가지 comes from 강원도. It’s their way of pronouncing 싹수.
싸가지 means a person who is rude, mean, or has bad manners. It’s generally used when you want to insult someone by calling them a horrible person.

It’s used as a noun, or as part of a phrase.
1) 싸가지 (noun. Rude person)
2) 싸가지(가) 없다 (That person is very rude)

Here are some different ways to say being rude:
1) 싹수가 없다
2) 싹수가 노랗다
3) 버릇이 없다
4) 버르장머리가 없다
5) 무례하다

Martina’s Interjection!

Hey guise. Martina here. Remember when we asked you this:

fanfiction sharing

don't worry be happy

We wanted to share some of your favourite kpop fanfics for this post, which we thought would be appropriate given the topic. I am an avid fanfic reader myself, and I know that it can take a loooong time to scan, read, and flip through various fanfic communities in search of a favourite author or story. So, I thought I could enlist your help in finding some of the best kpop fanfics.

We got a lot of excited tweets and emails from fans of fanfic sharing their fav stories, as well as actual authors who wanted to share their stories with us. Oddly, though, there was an explosion of people that did not share in the excitement. For example:

So Angry Tweet

Already made my own fanfic

Public Fanfic tweet

the fanfic grumbles

fanfic problems

Yup. The kpop fanfic community freaked out, shut down, and imploded over one tweet. People panicked over their assumptions about what we would create, over a video of ours that didn’t actually exist, since we were never going to made a review of fan fiction. All this fear and anger coming out of misconstrued conclusions formed in the rumour mill and passed along Tumblr. LET THIS BE A LESSON ON THE DANGERS OF GOSSIP!

We even got emails and tweets from people demanding that we must first ask permission before we use any fan fiction, as if they knew what we were going to do to begin with. When we responded to these people and linked them to our tweets, they had various responses like, “Oh, I don’t have twitter so I didn’t see that” or “I don’t follow you on twitter” or “oh I read about your filming in a forum”. Whut? So you didn’t even see our tweets, but you form conclusions and thought the worst without even looking into it?

After that we realized there was clearly no point of putting up another tweet explaining our actual intentions since:
A) Angry people don’t seem to listen to what we say anyway. They just like being angry and wading through Outrage Porn
B) This video was coming out soon and would just explain it all away.

So if you’re one of the people who freaked out at us over the implosion of the Kpop Fanfic world, do some research first before you come to conclusions from secondhand accounts. And for those of you that locked up your once totally public fanfic accounts, be freeeeee knowing that we have zero interest in making a video reviewing your fanfic writing skills. We simply wanted to share your work with other readers. Now, everyone take a deep breath and put your stories back up online because you have fans that really want to read your stories. Or, more importantly, if online privacy is important to you, take more steps to ensure your privacy and the protection of your work, or – well – just don’t post stuff online if you’re afraid of online commentary.

Martina’s Interjection Over!

Stay tuned for next DICKS, where Martina promises she won’t not tell you how to not tie a cherry stem without your tongue. You don’t not want to miss that, now do you? Make sure you subscribe by clicking that big, shiny red button below. We’ll make sure you don’t miss out. And if you have any awesome slang we should know about, let us know, either in the comments below or via twitter. 뿅!

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  1. Now issue with your last sentence. You’re blaming the readers.

    Sharing is different from submitting.
    The people on the twitters are not “submitting” fanfictions by tweeting the links to Simon and Martina unless they claim it as their own when in truth they own nothing. They are simply sharing the link of their favourite fanfiction. There is no need to gain permission or consent to share an uniform resource locator. Since that’s what it is, a resource locator – out in the public; for anyone to access unless it’s password protected. People are simply tweeting the link, the title and the author. It’s stating a fact. People do not need permission to state facts. These tweets are not using the works presented at these URL; thus no permission is needed. It’s basic rule of the internet.

    Targeting innocent fans of the EYK on the twitters by telling them they have noright to tweet out their favourite fanfiction is rude. They did nothing wrong and should not be wronged from doing so. UNLESS the author themselves went to them and asked for them to remove the link out of respect; THEY DID NOTHING WRONG HERE. I’m pretty sure these innocent fan meant no harm to the writer as they are ignorant of all the hate EYK is receiving. THEY ARE NOT AT FAULT. EYK IS NOT AT FAULT. THE PEOPLE WHO OVERREACTED AND FALSELY BLAMING PEOPLE ARE THE ONES AT FAULT.

    6 years ago
    • “its not really eyk’s fault, its the readers that wanted to submit the stories without asking the author.” – You blamed the readers in general. There was no mention of “plagiarizers”.

      Also, even if there were two types of readers that read fanfictions, simply linking EYK to an author’s fanfiction page is nothing close to stealing. I understand where you are coming from, but by them tweeting to EYK the link to a fanfiction they like has nothing to do with plagiarizing. If an idiot wanted to plagiarized a story, they would do so even without EYK posting a tweet asking for links. The writers are at fault for overreacting and I don’t see any other excuses that are valid for their actions of harassing others due to their own fear. Fanfictions have been brought up on larger platforms other than EYK. PEOPLE KNOW THEY EXIST. The writers needed to calm down. The KPOP fanfiction community is not even that big in comparison to other fanfiction communities. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be respected, but if you’re going to put up a fanfiction on a public website – anyone can view them; whether you want to or not because it is the internet. No, the internet is not free – but neither is the park. But the park is there for public access, so anyone is allowed in. The writers do have the right to their story, but they do not have the right to their link. It’s an internet rule. Sharing links/mentioning links DO NOT REQUIRE PERMISSION. DO NOT REQUIRE PERMISSION. DO NOT REQUIRE PERMISSION.

      Also, I’m not saying it’s okay for people to fuck on my bed. My bed is in my home. For a thousand people to fuck on my bed; they need to break into my home and invade my privacy. That is illegal and I could sue them for it and or they could go to jail. A thousand people visiting a link is like a thousand people going to a park or going down to main street. A public place. Free to access, free to roam, free to view.

      And I’m sorry if this post sounded like I was attacking you. I promise that was not my intention. I got really pissed off that some writers decided to get all “tough and all that” and thought it was okay for them to tell others that they didn’t have the right to share a LINK. That takes it out of the EYK context and into “A dummies book on how the internet works’. And considering the fact that they’re a writer on the internet, you might want to know how the internet works in terms of legality before posting anything on it.

      6 years ago
    • Another thing I never understood: people who argue that it’s wrong to share the links of fanfic without the author’s consent:

      Why are there share buttons at the bottom of Asianfanfics, then?

      6 years ago
      • Here’s a reason… You’re making money off written works that are done for free. Work that took a hella lot of time and effort to create and your gonna go take and dapple around it and create a few extra dollars… duh? You’re english teachers… think outside of the box. The answers are all there. And not many fic writers are a fan of your…’reviewing skills’ maybe that’s another reason? You shouldn’t have touched this side of the fandom anyway. Not many people want their work shared outside of their specific fandom.

        6 years ago
      • Authors don’t write things for fame, they write it for their own enjoyment. Fanfiction is like that dark corner of the fandom a lot of people don’t talk about, at least, I wouldn’t openly talk about fanfiction to say my English teacher or parent. There are people out there watching these videos that AREN’T part of the k-pop scene, plus idols who, while yes they already know about said fics, we wouldn’t be comfortable with seeing these things. It’s not wrong to share links of the fic between FRIENDS, thats why the share button is there. When we’re talking about things on a big youtube channel scale, however, things are different, because you’re going to use them for a video. Again, as a writer myself, I WOULDN’T like my fic to be famous. I just write it so others can enjoy the same thing I do, maybe fangirl here or there, but would I like the hundreds of thousands subscribers that you have to see it? no way. Plus, a lot of us DIDN’T KNOW what you were going to do with the fics. If we knew it was for a silly video like this (which actually didn’t require any fics in general) we wouldn’t have reacted as violently. Plus, you two have a reputation for saying your cold hard opinion on things; a lot of us didn’t want one person’s mistake in a fic to reflect the whole fandom. also did i mention WE DON’T WRITE FICS FOR FAME OR MONEY?

        6 years ago
        • Woah. I… Wasn’t expecting that kind of answer. When I saw you had responded I was half expecting an angry response calling me names to be honest (and the same for my other comment further down as well).

          Well, I’m happy that you see why you (and others) were wrong in the way you reacted. I like fanfictions too, you know? And since I’m only a reader and not a writer, I’m thankful for people like you who take their time to write for their and others enjoyment. Thank you for that, really.

          It just irked me to see all those people ganging up on Simon and Martina and especially all the insults being thrown at them.

          But hey, I was also a bit harsh in my previous comment, and you still responded courteously and with honesty so here you go, three hearts for the price of one:

          http://24.media.tumblr.com/eefc1bce0d2c5414639acd01bc8bf462/tumblr_mz3ohq0m4H1sprs6co1_500.gif

          6 years ago
        • o.o

          Besides for the people who were insulting them, I don’t think anyone was /wrong/ it was just driven from a misunderstanding. I locked my fic because I didn’t want any of it to be in a video (regardless of the circumstances) and people were tweeting my fics to Simon and Martna. Period. I don’t think I was wrong for that.

          6 years ago
        • o.o

          “It was your choice to lock your fic, not Simon and Martina’s, and if, for example, your readers wanted to put the blame on someone for that, then they should complain to you, not to S&M.” I don’t think I (or any other writer) was to blame either. There was a misunderstanding, and their ambiguous tweet was the cause of that. And I don’t appreciate S&M mocking writers that decided to lock their fics. They didn’t state that they weren’t going to use it without permission for a full day (conveniently they put those tweets side by side in this post, as if they said that all along). You have to understand that they have a wide audience which has people who don’t read or enjoy fanfiction which opens them to ridicule. They should have been more clear with their intentions and said that they weren’t going to use fics without the permission of the author to start with. But you can have your opinion and I can have mine, I suppose.

          6 years ago
        • I don’t think the writers were to “blame” either for locking their fics. Like you said, there was some sort of misunderstanding and people should have find a better way to handle it than immediately starting to angry capslock everyone.

          I see what you mean by ” I don’t appreciate S&M mocking writers that decided to lock their fics”, but remember, S&M were blamed for the fics being locked and by “blame” I really mean called names. And they are humans, too. When people continuously send them hate mails/tweets/comments, they would eventually get irritated and in turn start venting their frustration (and I recall some writers insulting S&M to explain why they didn’t want them to even get links to their work, so I can understand their slight annoyance toward them). I actually taught they stayed quite calm and polite through the whole issue, considering that people were making assumptions and throwing shit at them using those assumptions as arguments.

          Now, I do understand fanfictions writers and readers being afraid of S&M mocking the fanfic community, I am a fanfic reader myself, and I know how sensitive the issue of exposure to a wide audience can be. I would rather fanfiction stayed in its dark corner where people who likes it can enjoy it without the judgmental comments of laypeople, and I have never cringed so much in my life than when watching some talk-show hosts bringing up the topic in front of celebrities who were the subject of said fanfics.

          However, I do not think it justifies any of the madness we just witnessed.

          If Simon and Martina did wanted to ridicule fanfictions, nobody has a right to stop them from doing so, even if we, writers and readers, don’t appreciate it. I know I wouldn’t have liked it if they had done that, but would I have gone and insulted them? No, because I’m mature enough to understand that not everyone is going to have the same opinion as mine on topic such as this.

          In the end I was more disappointed to see such terrible reactions from the fanfic community than really angry, but hey, it’s the internet, what can you do? Most people lose all sense of courtesy and respect once hiding behind the mask of anonymity, it’s sad really.

          6 years ago
      • HI, it’s not wrong to share the links of the fanfic, to recommend to other people to READ.
        You guys clearly said that you might juuuuuuust use it for the upcoming VIDEO… and clearly it’s NOT WRONG of people to overreact to that tweet because you guys didnt state CLEARLY what you are going to do with the fic links in the video even if its just the word ‘MIGHT’ that you used. Sharing the original link of the fan fictions is not wrong but using the content of the fan fic to make it into a video clearly requires the author’s consent.
        Fanfic authors put in lots of effort to write their stories. I’m sure they would appreciate people sharing their fic links. Even if your original intention was to recommend good fan fictions, your tweet was so ambiguous and from your past videos, which you guys critic/mock/tease artists MVs or what so ever, I’m sure you cant blame people to assume the worse out of you.

        6 years ago
        • My Question to you Chistinelee08 is, Why if it wasn’t clear what it would be used for did no one ASK them for details of how it would be used? When someone asks you for a favor and their intentions aren’t clear do you overreact and call them horrible names and threaten to kill them? Or do you ask them for more information to be clearer what they want from you and why?

          6 years ago
        • I think most authors did not follow eatyourkimchi and they only found out about it when their readers saw people (other readers too) recommending their links and by then the damage has been done.
          Most popular authors have experienced nasty plagiarism issues before so it’s not wrong for them to want to lock their fics immediately first when the motive of EYK asking for fic links to possibly be included in their future video was not made clear. This resulted in dismay in the readers as they found themselves suddenly unable to access their fav fics and the natural reaction was to find the cause of why their authors locked their fics.

          Also, I’m not saying those people who call EYK horrible names or sent death threats were right. I just want to make a point that all these problems would not arise if the tweet was made clearer.
          There will be a spectrum of how people react to a particular issue. Just because some people sent nasty comments to EYK doesnt mean that everyone in the fanfic community are like that.

          6 years ago
        • You’re saying this like you think we didn’t ask. We asked. We were ignored. Not one person was replied to to reassure us.
          This was when we started locking our work, and when readers became stressed.

          I don’t agree at all with the readers who started making threats, but that wasn’t the majority of the fandom. That was a very small part that has been built up to make it look like everyone was irrational.

          6 years ago
        • You say no one was replied to at all and that you were all ignored.. every last person in the fanfic community was ignored when calmly asking for clarification? Some how the strikes me as untrue.. as for why you weren’t responded to I can only guess. . Maybe by the time you sent your calm and professional request for information they were already knee deep in rage filled messages and yours got lost in the shuffle. And I agree that it is terribly sad that a small amount of people can make a mountain out of a mole hill..

          6 years ago
        • I know tons of fanfic writers asked and none of them heard anything back, so it’s not a complete exaggeration. A lot of them were (presumably) during the period S&M were offline sleeping, but there were some after the second tweet.
          Personally, I missed all the drama until well after the second tweet, but my twitter feed was full of people complaining that they hadn’t heard anything back.

          I still don’t believe that a mountain was made out of a molehill. I think it was an issue that could have been clarified more easily, and that people went far too over-the-top with their unnecessary rage. But initially it was dealt with appropriately.
          It was only once entitled fans got involved that it spiralled out of control.

          6 years ago
      • o.o

        I think it’s necessary to see the other side though, but I understand where the misunderstanding came from. For instance, I write fanfiction (I’m not ashamed of it, I’m proud of my work) but I had no clue what you were going to do with the fics. Sure, now we can see your intentions but we had no clue.
        Second, when things are shared outside of the fanfic community it makes me uncomfortable. The fact that not all of your audience writes or reads fanfiction opens it to ridicule. And people tweet my fics all the time and I’m fine with that, in fact I’m flattered by it– what I wasn’t happy with was when someone tweeted my fic directly at SHINee’s Jonghyun. I know that it was unlikely that he would have seen it but it made me uncomfortable. There are lines that are there, and they are different for every writer, but unfortunately you crossed them. It wasn’t with bad intentions, but you have to see where it went wrong.

        6 years ago
        • 1) It was most definitely NOT eyk’s fault that the fanfic was tweeted to SHINEE.
          2)If someone writes a fanfic about me, i have somewhat of a moral right to read it. You are using a character you did not create, therefore, you do not own that character.

          (i read fanfic, just wanted to make it clear that i’m not a hater)

          6 years ago
        • o.o

          1. That was an example of lines for a author being crossed without the other person’s knowledge. That happened months ago of course it wasn’t EYK fault. LOL.
          2. Sure he has the right to read it, I just didn’t want people to tweet it at him, I don’t think that’s wrong. /Of course/ I don’t own them.

          (I’m not an EYK hater I just didn’t want them to use my fics under any circumstances and I think that’s understandable)

          6 years ago
      • As someone who does not read fan fiction, I was rather amused by this post.

        5 years ago
      • Simply because their common sense was blinded by fear and hatred. Sadly, some people forgot how the Internet works. That’s the only possibility that I can see.

        6 years ago
      • I see lots of comments on youtube, twitter and on tumblr asking their followers for their favourite fanfiction too, and that’s ok but when you do it (when you’re going to ask the authors first before using too) it’s not okay?

        Also I’ve seen lots of people laughing at authors wanting you to see it, saying “HAHAHAHA I’m laughing she’s so stupid” and “PFFFT I’ve never seen anhything more stupid”. What in the world’s name?

        I’m just gonna sit down with some tea, drink it, calm down and start making subtitles for this video now.

        Gosh.

        6 years ago
  2. I love you Martina and Simon! Ignore this and move on. People go crazy when their fandoms are concerned. I had a student that last month compared the struggles of Justin bieber to those of Nelson mandela.

    6 years ago
  3. I read fanfiction. I write fanfiction. I also like Eat Your Kimchi.

    I think everyone is being immature and throwing a tissy-fit. And by everyone, I don’t mean just fanfiction writers and readers; I mean everyone.

    First of all, everyone is simply making assumptions. Assumptions that fanfiction people are always butthurt or on the attack. Assumptions that Nasties/EYK fans aren’t the sort of people into the fanfiction scene. Assumptions that Simon and Martina’s jokes and/or criticisms are meant negatively or even maliciously.

    You know what? Some people really do suck at writing. Some people have really good stories, but poor control or ability. Some people have amazing writing and poor plots. Some people don’t understand spelling or grammar or the logic of this world and how to relate it into fiction. I have to say, I’m very embarrassed by my own works and their poor quality. But if it’s publicly available on the internet, it’s publicly visible on the internet. And maybe “friends” or “fellow fans” share them which you’re okay with; but some of those fans have their own friends who may not be into fanfiction. They may see what they shared and dislike it. They make think it’s silly and have a laugh. They may actually really love it, and consequently get into the scene. Who knows? But public stuff can get around. If you have an issue with material potentially being available to the mass public, there are ways and sites to keep it private or simply limited. If you have it in a public place, you’re actually a very brave individual and ought to be commended. The internet is a very scary place at the best of times.

    But something I really would like to point out: for those whose greatest fear were getting violent, rude, malicious attacks or comments from “outsiders” or “nonfans”, what do you think these heavy responses from the fanfiction community were? When you talk about EYK, are judging them? Sharing your judgments within your own community who may or may not be within theirs? Are nonEYK followers seeing these responses and making fun of or else hating on Simon and Martina? Are you being harsh or hyper critical or violently hating on them? And for what? Their own personal creativity in trying to share what they love or find silly or occasionally ridiculous? Isn’t that what you’re doing? Isn’t that what we are all doing?

    Think of what you’re most afraid of, or what you believe to be hurtful or out of line for other communities to do to yours. And don’t do it to the other communities. Really take a moment to consider how what you’re doing could be construed by other communities, and if it’d be appropriate for them to do. Whether you’re a Kpop fan, a Nasty, a fanfiction reader/writer, or any other affiliation you proudly proclaim yourself apart of: Be respectful. Be reasonable. Be kind.

    6 years ago
  4. I never knew Martina read fanfics ><

    #hunhanftw

    5 years ago
  5. I’m so happy that I wasn’t around when these things happened. I would really find everyone ridiculous in case. This fanfiction issue was a big case of misunderstanding and lack of information.

    5 years ago
  6. And this video has brought me to the scary side of the internet… o.O

    5 years ago
  7. Damn. I’m just hear looking at this video and reading these comments. Shit fucking went down!! Some people overreact too easily and too quickly.

    6 years ago
  8. i read martina’s writing on the blog in “martina rage voice” (the one in their video swhere they added a low pitched monster-ish effect on the voice)

    6 years ago
  9. I think it’s really hard for people to understand what it’s like to be a blogger and to have an onslaught of negativity that all stems from something being twisted and misunderstood. Bloggers are humans too and sometimes things need to be addressed. You might not have seen anything about it, but for the blogger, their past few days might have been consumed with being attacked and seeing that negativity. It’s really easy for people to think what they would do in that situation and think “I wouldn’t say anything, I would just ignore.” But if you haven’t been in that situation you really don’t know.

    Had this been the first time they had ever had negativity like this then yes that response would probably have been unnecessary. But this comes on the back of a lot of ridiculous hate and lies that have been going around. The reason why it got out of control is because those that fuel the hate and rumors made up gossip about what was going to happen. As Martina said, many fanfic authors hadn’t even seen the original tweet, they had only seen something in forums or on tumblr about what was going to happen where things had been completely fabricated.

    I can see both sides, where people don’t want people they follow to react to anything, but if you have never been in that situation I don’t think it’s fair to judge what someone should do if you have no idea how it has impacted their life.

    6 years ago
  10. i was actually looking forward to the fanfic recommendation, because its really hard for me to find one that i actually like. It would be a lie to say i wasnt suprised though. eyk seems to get hate for everythinggg they do :c

    For the fanfics that i DO read i find asianfanfics… not the best place for fics. I’d look more towards the a kpop groups fansite and usually they will have a “fanfic section”

    6 years ago
    • I was the same as you.. I was curious as to what everyone eould suggest, but gave up after seeing the first few rage comments & no recs (tho I understand the initial fear.. once they posted they would be asking permission, all the hate after that was kinda uncalled for)

      p.s what kinda fanfics recs were you looking for? (oh, and do you have a twitter?)

      6 years ago
    • EYK get hate for everything they do =/ Pretty sad but you know, the internet XD Crazy keyboard warriors out there Ahahaha

      6 years ago
  11. It’s nice to see an English slang term that actually has so much relevancy to probably a lot of the viewers. I’m extremely behind on slang usually so seeing something I know come up was pretty nice. Some fanfic terms have broken free of fanfic and now run rampant on Tumblr. Loads of people who maybe don’t read fanfiction ship otp’s as reality on Tumblr.

    Also to all the people flipping out over Martina’s interjection… I really think we read two completely different things. What I read didn’t criticize the authors actions so much as it criticized the fanatical readers who took things and blew them aggressively out of proportion. Like a few other people have said, all anyone had to do was ask. Even if EYK wanted to be vague on a whole I’m sure they wouldn’t mind clarifying things on a case by case basis for any authors who had concerns.

    One thing I don’t get… yes EYK makes fun of stuff. They make parodies. Occasionally they satirize things. They don’t do that with everything, so why would you assume that’s what they wanted the fics for? Since they asked for recommendations you should assume they were going to be used positively. I know if I were going to openly mock something or do anything that could be construed as negative I wouldn’t ask for recommendations first.

    6 years ago
  12. then they should simply make it available to a chosen few and no one else. its fine to be uneasy and nervous. but if you are that afraid of what others may think don’t put it online or make it available to only the few you are comfortable reading it.. no need to fling such hate and rudeness at another person for wanting to share it with other people. a simple no thank you would have been enough.

    6 years ago
    • I must direct you to the start of Martina’s interjection where she quite clearly says there were readers AND AUTHORS that were excited to have their work shared that contacted them. If you had also read one of their response posts to they again state that they did respond to several authors who contacted them with questions about their intent. If Some of them did not get responded to I suspect that was because by the time they sent their query EYK was already receiving a ton pf hate messages and it got buried in the craziness. Of course the rude comments were highlighted, because it was posts like those that blew this situation up and turned and innocent (if very vague) question into a storm of unnecessary internet rage.

      6 years ago
      • What kind of fairness are you asking for? If you have read some of the posts EYK has posted on this forum in response to others posts you would know they mentioned other authors who calmly ask for and were given details. And some of them politely declined. I do not condemn any of them for locking their work. That is their right to do so. And I do not think most of the rude responses they posted on here were authors and neither did she specify them as authors… so I am not quite understanding why you don’t think they are being fair to the authors and a people who didn’t flip out…

        6 years ago
        • couldn’t figure out how to link previous forum post so I just copied and pasted.. though seriously you could have found them yourself if you read through the comments on this forum…

          Simon and Martina

          Nasty Mod

          kurizou

          3 days ago

          One thing I didn’t understand: if we said we wouldn’t post a video
          without the author’s permission, then why did the people we didn’t
          contact need to know what we were going to do in our video? We’re
          always vague about what we’re going to do in future videos.

          But to many people that were respectful who contacted us privately
          rather than freaking out at us publicly, we answered them respectfully.

          Simon and Martina

          Nasty Mod

          rosechan2134

          2 days ago

          Hmm. I see what you’re saying here. I’m sorry our post came across
          as condescending. I can see how it would read that way. I guess after
          enduring a torrent of anger for the past few days, our words were
          indelicate, given the shitty state we were in.

          So, I’d like to address a few points, if I can:

          1) We posted the tweets far apart, not out of malicious intent, but
          out of sleeping. We posted the first tweet at night, turned off social
          media, had a glass of wine and watched a movie, then went to bed. We
          were expecting to wake up and see lots of tweets to cool fanfics.
          Instead, we woke up and saw all of the outrage.

          2) We thought that telling people we wouldn’t use anyone’s work
          without their permission would be enough. If we didn’t contact you,
          you’d have nothing to worry about, no? Whatever your history of
          mistrust of the internet or anger towards us, I think that Tweet was
          pretty fair for majority of authors.

          3) For people that locked their works, great for you! And I don’t
          mean that sarcastically. Seriously: ensure that your work is protected
          as much as you can. We take as many steps as we can to protect our
          work, so we understand. I’m hoping there’s some internet platform out
          there in which you can create your work and control its distribution.
          If there isn’t, here’s to hoping that one can be built.

          But, 4) I know the Internet is the Internet. We’re less idealistic
          than most. If it’s out there in public, it’s no longer yours. Gone.
          People will take it and misconstrue it and remix it and bastardize it
          and rip it out of context and do whatever they want with it. It happens
          to us on a regular basis. It sucks that it happens, but that’s the lay
          of the land. We’ve grown used to it now, and we didn’t think that
          other people might not be used to that yet.

          Simon and Martina

          Nasty Mod

          rosechan2134

          2 days ago

          Final thought I wanted to get across. Martina here! We’re actually
          not upset at the writers at all. Not at all! At least, those writers
          that wrote calm explanations or that simple chose to private their
          accounts with no explanation. They’re totally allowed to do that and I
          totally understand the concern of this private world being exposed. As a
          fanfic reader myself, I don’t have friends that reads fanfic or that I
          can talk to about fanfic, so perhaps for some people it’s too private to
          be shared.

          What we’re upset at is those people that saw this event happening and
          in the course of just 3-4 days thought it was okay to death threat,
          name call us, harass us, and even harass other people who were tweeting
          stories to us. That’s not okay and I find it really hard to just brush
          it off.

          People keep saying, “oh if you were just clear about your tweet this
          wouldn’t have happened” but if I knew this kind of reaction would have
          happened I wouldn’t have even bothered to put out a tweet. I’ve learned
          my lesson and while the fanfic world can say “Yay! They’re not going to
          do anything” we still have to deal with the bullying and name calling
          from strangers whose faces I can’t see. I can’t see their faces, but
          they can see mine. And that’s what I’m so upset about.

          5 years ago
  13. Um anyways.
    I use those terms as part of text slang (similar to how I use lol) in that I would say: “I SHIP THIS COUPLE” “THE SHIP HAS SAILED” “WE GON’ DOWN WITH THIS SHIP”. And yes, I do tend to capitalise my words when using the word “ship” because only then can my “feels” be conveyed.
    In any case, I really enjoyed this weeks DICKS (probably because I relate to fanfic slang more so than gym slang). SooZee and Leigh are hilarious as always. Too bad I don’t follow Gag Concert but many entertainers and dramas do refer to many of the gags that are shown on the program. As a result, even if a Korean show or interview is subbed, there are some things that are lost in translation and that’s just a cultural barrier I’m willing to look past. Looking forward to next week’s DICKs.

    6 years ago
  14. I used to be so into fanfiction and even tried writing it myself. I know look back on my 14 year old self’s writing and cringe constantly at how bad it is/was ><

    6 years ago
  15. I know that most of the comments are targeted towards the tweets but… OOOOOOH! Now I know what the gag concert is. I’ve seen a few skits of gag concert. One that I’ve seen that is good to watch without subtitles is BalleriNO. It’s an older one, but good.

    6 years ago
  16. And I was watching old EYK videos with the EYK crew all together and my gosh you guys have all changed so much within the space of a year :’) Makes me go all “Awwww u gaiz!”

    6 years ago
  17. LOL, hey, I’m an author myself, and yeah, I hope you guys DO ask for permission first, and I think you would ^^ But geez, those are just raging for lack of info, dude…

    6 years ago
  18. I have come out of lurker mode as I feel so strongly about this Issue I couldn’t not comment. I can see the Other side, how Fanfic authors and readers alike might be nervous and uncomfortable not knowing what it was going to be used for. However in all the rude and horribly mean posts that I read no one even bothered to straight up ASK Simon and Martina what it would be used for, everyone just freaked out. A whole lot of Crazy and and rudeness could have been avoided if someone had been rational and simply asked why they wanted it. And instead of flipping out all they had to do was say no when EYK asked to use their work.

    (Mini Rant)
    I can understand being nervous and uncomfortable, even afraid of your work being criticized and/or mocked. But you posted it on the INTERNET to be seen by the world. You have made it available for all to see, to read it and feel about it as they will. You made the conscious decision to place it where any and all might view it and express their opinions on it. If you are going to post it where others may view it, then OWN IT. Simon and Martina OWN their videos, whether people liked it or hate it its there for others to see, if they make mistakes they admit it and do their best to make amends and fix the issue. If you are going to freak out and hide your work the moment someone wants to share it with large amounts of people, it makes me wonder if you aren’t secretly ashamed of your work. If you are that afraid of criticism why post it online in the first place? You cannot please everyone, there will be people who love it, hate it and feel meh about it. Its the INTERNET for goodness sakes! The object of your work (if fanfic) or someone who disagrees with the way you have written it or its content may stumble across it, whether just trolling the net or someone else may have sent them a link to it. It was and is always a possibility. If you are going to post things on the net regardless of the format you choose (written, video, etc..) be prepared for someone to bash it, mock it and/or want to hate you for it.. Again I understand the fear and the nerves, I too like to write (though I have yet to publish or post anything.. it never seems quite finished enough…). But if you are afraid of the masses reading your stuff and offering possible negative opinions on it, then password protect it and only let your chosen few read it.

    (Rant Over)
    Sorry for the rant, but it I feel it needed to be said. Resuming Lurker mode….

    6 years ago
  19. Fanfiction, as we have all seen, is a very touchy subject. The fanfiction I read and write are something I value and it is a bit scary to share them with others because it opens it up to ridicule.
    The thing is, whether or not someone wants their stories to be “publicly” spoken of is not the problem.
    The issue is that when the tweet that requested recommendations was made, instead of simply asking what it was for, people jumped the gun and started threatening Simon and Martina. Even when they said that they would ask the authors for permission, death threats (is that even necessary?) were given.
    I understand how special fics are and how much we treasure them, but people need to stop over-reacting. Simon and Martina aren’t unreasonable. If that many people have an issue, they’ll listen. No death threats required.
    By the way, I’ve seen AU used more than AR though I’m sure many people use it.

    6 years ago
    • I wasn’t aware that people had asked, so thank you for the clarification.
      I won’t judge the fandom, considering I’m a part if of the fanfiction fandom it would be a bit hypocritical(?), but I am slightly irritated that some feel they have to threaten someone over the Internet.
      Thank you for the nice reply; I was half-expecting a huge rant from someone else.

      6 years ago
  20. Wow…. There’s like essay worth of comments… I don’t really care what u do with those fanfics… We trust u that you won’t do anything bad.. They are kinds there for people to read and review about it so I don’t even know why the hell this fuss was going on… It’s just a fanfic.. Not a nuclear explosion.. People seriously need to grow up sometimes…

    6 years ago
  21. Fic authors weren’t looking to go on an EYK witch hunt. What they were trying to do but people don’t seem to understand is PREVENT people from linking their fics. EYK made their first tweet about the fics but waited almost a day to clarify that they won’t use fics without authors consent. But authors didn’t know if their own fics were sent to EYK before then. In order to prevent EYK from accessing any fics that were already sent and to further stop anyone who was thinking about linking their fics, authors locked or deleted their fics. There is nothing wrong about that. They did what they thought was the safest thing to do in this situation. Since EYK didn’t choose to clarify what the fics were for, there really was no other way to prevent fics from being spread and used in EYK’s potential video.

    Yes, authors could have contacted EYK to ask about the content of the video, and authors could have just made a post saying “don’t send EYK my fics.” But that won’t stop people from doing so anyway. Many kpop writers have had issues with people stealing and reposting fics. So can you blame them from wanting to avoid that? Locking and deleting fics was a completely understandable preventive measure taken by the fic writing community to ensure their fics weren’t used without their consent.

    It’s astounding that this is so hard to understand. EYK was not looking to attack fic writers and the fic writers likewise were not looking to attack EYK. The writers who locked or deleted their fics did not want it used in EYK’s video and they have the right to feel that way and did what they thought was the best to prevent it from happening.

    6 years ago
  22. I like how you guys brushed off the actual concern, ignoring the fanfic writers who weren’t sending you rageful comments. Some authors and watchers made some really good points. If you’re upset about how some of them reacted, can you really blame them? Most people associate EYK with mockery.

    6 years ago
    • Most people? Most people? Are you serious? How about a group of people who are always searching for another way to say that EYK are “bad” and who fuelled the gossip that caused people to worry about what was happening to their fanfic. Would the fanfic community have reacted so badly if those people who are constantly searching for a way to prove EYK is bad had not twisted what the original tweet said? Fanfic authors said they didn’t even see the original tweet, which means they heard from forums and on tumblr what people had made up about what EYK were going to do.

      If you took the amount of people that hate EYK in person and stood them next to the people who like EYK and those lives have been touched by them I’m sure that hate group would be very small instead. The majority of people do NOT associate EYK with mockery. Their TLDRs are their most popular videos which are not mockery. Their food videos are not mockery. Their interviews are not mockery. The only videos that some people could consider mockery is Music Mondays and it’s a stretch to say they are all mockery! Just because they criticise a song or video doesn’t mean it is mockery.

      You need to get rid of this idea that this is how all people feel about EYK and open your eyes and see all the positive reasons why people love them. I have been there in person as they greeted fans – fans who waited hours to see them. Fan who had stories about how EYK had touched their life. Fans who were so excited to see them. So many fans that the building couldn’t hold them all. And that is just one place. This has been repeated over and over again in many countries.

      So get off tumblr and get this idea out of your head that that’s how most people feel. That bitter, angry group of people that twists things that way is really not that big.

      6 years ago
      • Believe it or not, but there are people who’ve watched EYK before reading all these rumors and – gasp! – formed their own opinions about them. Not every author didn’t see the original tweet. Nobody I saw “made up” what EYK was going to do. From the post I read, they were just spreading caution to those who weren’t comfortable having their fanfic brought to the attention of an audience via EYK’s video.

        As one of those authors, I don’t give two shits if EYK reads my fanfics. If they do, great. If they like it or hate it, whatever. But I wouldn’t feel comfortable if they decided to showcase it, because I’m not much of a fan of their videos and I don’t need that sort of thing. Personal preference.
        I don’t have anything against EYK reading my fanfiction, but I’d prefer if the fans of the groups I write fanfic about stumble across it on their own, rather than have it referred to them by EYK.

        It doesn’t matter which side is bigger. I said ‘most’, but that’s only based on the people I’ve seen (poor choice of words on my part). If somebody watches a video by EYK that just so happens to be one for Music Mondays and they end up disliking it, why would they bother watching any of their other videos? If you dislike something, it’s good to give it another chance, but you don’t have to. And you don’t have to give it another chance, either. That’s cool too.

        I don’t need to “open my eyes” when you won’t even do the same. Before assuming that anyone who dislikes EYK doesn’t know them, please remember that everyone has their own opinions, and not everyone will like the same things as you. I’ve seen enough of EYK to know that it’s not my type of humor or entertainment.

        6 years ago
        • Yes very poor choice of words on your part. Of course people are entitled to make up their own opinion and not liking a certain type of humour or entertainment is a completely fine reason to not like something. I just wish that it was true for all people and that there wasn’t people blindly believing things that are twisted or taken out of context, or sometimes completely fabricated, which unfortunately happens. Watching one video doesn’t really give a bigger picture of what someone is like, but I understand why people do that. I completely respect those whose reasons are “EYK is just not my cup of tea”, rather than just believing the scaremongering and twisting the facts that goes on in certain online communities.

          6 years ago
        • Thank you for understanding.

          6 years ago
        • If it is not your kind of humor and you don’t like their work, why are you here? why do you care what they post or don’t post. You can simply not watch and ignore them. if you didn’t want them to share your work simply decline when they asked for permission. if you know EYK so well then you know they would never use someone else’s work with out their permission as they too have had their stuff used without their consent.

          6 years ago
        • if that is the case and you are looking into it, then that is great. and I really mean that. however in your original post you did not sound as if you were trying to better understand what happened on the whole. I urge you to read more of the comments on this forum,especially those made by simon and martina, where they have stated that they did not brush “off the actual concern, ignoring the fanfic
          writers who weren’t sending you rageful comments.” people who sent them calm and respectful queries were answered respectfully. they however were not able to respond to everyone do to the torrent of rage filled messages that were sent their way. As for your comment ” Most people associate EYK with mockery” that is the same kind of harsh generalization that you are accusing them of. Most people I know like EYK and their KMM reviews.. Several of the Very Idols for whom they have done KMMs about have commented about how funny it was and that they liked watching them.. they make the kmms to express their opinions about the song and music video. People ask for those opinions by voting for those videos to be reviewed. If the Idols themselves enjoy them why are the fans “associating them with mockery”? that makes no sense to me and I am a huge fan of several groups they have reviewed. sure I may not always agree with their opinion, but I know they are not doing these reviews to be malicious. watch their impromptu interview with U-kiss for a couple years ago, or any of their interviews with artists really.

          5 years ago
  23. erm, usually what I see used instead of AR (never seen this, maybe its regional?) is AU aka Alternate Universe.

    6 years ago
  24. “Do some research first before you come to conclusions from secondhand accounts”
    What research was there actually to be done? You posted TWO tweets a day apart, both of which didn’t state what you would do with said fics. Of course many panicked. WE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD DO! I mean, what if someone took your videos with your permission, but never told you what they would do with those videos. I wouldn’t want something that I worked on for hours, weeks, sometimes even months to be slapped and pasted on a video that could potentially send hundreds of people who don’t like what I’m writing purely because it is of a pairing they don’t like, or an AU (which is more often used than AR, which I’ve never seen before.) If you just tweeted “we just need to know the kpop fic slang” or something along the lines I think many people would’ve relaxed.
    Another point: fanfiction is that dark corner of a fandom that shouldn’t be spoken of in public. I have friends who love k-pop purely for the music, in fact, they don’t like the very idea of people shipping two in a band together. Not everyone in a fandom is interested over shipping and fics.
    The argument that “this is the internet and everything is public” is something that is easily shot down. Yes, this is the internet, yes you post something and it becomes public property, but you have to remember that fics are written for a specific audience. If I don’t like marvel, I wouldn’t search for marvel based fanfiction. If I don’t like a certain pairing, I wouldn’t search for fics centering on that pairing. People who aren’t interested in Korea or K-Pop wouldn’t search for your videos. However I think a lot of people were afraid that by escalating their fic to a bigger platform that it would bring a sort of audience that would be highly uncomfortable with the things they write about. Plus, even if a fic is on the internet, taking it is still not okay. “Your art is online its now free for public use!” NO. that is not right. I don’t think you would like people to be downloading your video and putting it up for profit on their own terms, right? This is the same.
    The other argument that “you write fics isn’t fame a good thing” is another thing that a lot of people don’t understand. WE DON’T WRITE FICS FOR FAME OR MONEY. In fact we’re happy off by ourselves without any review, or video centering our fic.
    Also, there is a difference between sharing favourite fics amongst friends and sharing a fic to someone who would use it for commercial purposes. As somewhat of a writer I’m totally fine for people to recommend my fics for PERSONAL reading, not for a video.
    Creators have a right to do whatever they want with their creation, I don’t see why they can’t tell people not to link their fics.
    Yes, people shouldn’t have reacted like that, but there were things both of you could do that wouldn’t have brought this attack.

    6 years ago
    • Also I haven’t seen lime/citrus used as a warning for sexual content before. Lemon I’ve heard of but not in the K-pop fic scene. It’s mostly just smut. Usually, when I see a crossover it’s put under an AU (alternate universe) rather than labelled as a crossover in itself. Also, there are ot3s, ot5s, sometimes even ot12s, that refer to a friendship/broship type thing rather than in a romantic way.

      6 years ago
      • I read a U-Kiss OT7(9), and it was just straight up smut. It wasn’t -bad- necessarily… lol

        [ I’m not a shipper, I read for the great writing and/or plot. And very occasionally for funny smut. ]

        6 years ago
      • It has been used. I’ve read fanfictions from 10 different community and they do use them. Crossovers now have their own special area in fanfiction.net which is one of the biggest fanfiction site. They are now in their own separate category.

        6 years ago
    • So being a shipper is not well seen in other fandoms too? I honestly don’t really interact with other fandoms and I thought the problem with shipping in my fandom was mostly caused by all the other factors…

      6 years ago
  25. Great post Leigh and Soozee!! Keep up the good work! Fighting!!

    6 years ago
    • Copy and paste the hangeul into Google Translate to hear how it’s pronounced :)

      6 years ago
    • I feel sorry for Leigh and SooZee. Even though they did another great video, it’s being overshadowed by the drama.

      6 years ago
  26. I’ll happily promote the fanfics I wrote! All have T.O.P as the main character and are smutty. (As handsome as he is, is it a surprise my mind would drift to dirty, dirty things?)

    Lust at First Fight – My attempt at a romantic comedy.
    http://www.asianfanfics.com/story/view/425845/lust-at-first-fight-choiseunghyun-comedy-romance-smut-top-originalcharacter

    The F Word – A ‘Porn (mostly) Without Plot’
    http://www.asianfanfics.com/story/view/634795/the-f-word-choiseunghyun-smut-top-originalcharacter

    Virus – A supernatural story, with a lil’ GD thrown in.
    http://www.asianfanfics.com/story/view/555652/virus-choiseunghyun-jiyong-smut-supernatural-top

    I personally don’t understand the privacy concerns. Unless you’re plagiarizing, why wouldn’t you want to share your writing? You cared enough to post it on a public site. Yes, there is the possibility for negative feedback but honestly the main KPop fan fic site (http://www.asianfanfics.com) is pretty positive.

    6 years ago
    • So I just finished reading Lust At First Fight and it was awesome. Really funny, well-written, it addresses sex ( and describes it ) in a mature manner, not like some of those who are all like “IT WENT INTO THE HOLE, BANG ALL NIGHT”. Also, you do a great job of making it realistic rather than pure fantasy. Real personalities, scenarios, etc. Thank you for posting them, and please keep writing more!

      6 years ago
      • Thank you so, so much for the positive feedback! I’ve been kicking around ideas for a sequel to the story but they are still in the “plot bunny” stages. Please check back in a month or two to see if I managed to wrangle dem rabbits into an actual story. Thanks again for reading my work!

        6 years ago
        • You’re welcome! I enjoyed The F Word too, I thought it was pretty funny as well. The whole sneaking around -at work-… oh man. xD

          6 years ago
  27. Ray

    I am actually really excited for the fanfic video discussion thingy! I don’t see what the problem is >.>

    6 years ago
  28. I will never condone those hateful comments you got and I’m really sorry for that but trying to make fic readers look bad will not make you get away with your responsability in the chaos your tweet caused. I expected you to get past those immature reactions and address the issue at hands but no, you just played the victim and feigned ignorance. As an ‘avid fanfic reader’ as you claim yourself to be, you should know better than to spread/share fanfics 1) to an audience that isn’t exactly the intented one and aimed at by the author, and 2) outside the original platform/website that is, yes technically a public domain, but only people who intentionally seeked of their own know about (bringing us back to the intented audience I was talking about). Your blog and its audience aren’t either of those thus the backlash you got which is totally founded and understandable unlike what you’re trying to make it seem. It isn’t about writers fearing their work to be criticized (tbh some of them are better than published authors) so much as it is fanfic dealing with RPF which is a touchy topic and not everyone being comfortable with. It needs a certain level of understanding and some rules and norms to be agreed on by people on both ends (writers and readers) and popularizing it on a video viewed/viewable by everyone is just crossing the boundaries. Introducing the general idea of fanfictions and how it works is alright but that’s where you should stop. It’ll be up to those who are interested and/or curious to go dig deeper and find their way into the fanfic world on their own

    6 years ago
    • Exactly what I had in mind. Thank you.

      There’s a reason why the authors opted to publish their fanfics on AFF (or their preferred site) and not just any other place online. Fanfics are written for people who love reading them. Authors post them in sites where their intended audience/readers would naturally go to.

      It’s the internet alright, but it doesn’t mean that anybody can just “use” whatever one has written without their permission. There’s a reason why fanfiction sites show the author’s name and not just show “anonymous.” It means, that someone owns that material. There’s not an established law as to intellectual rights for online articles/publications, but I think it’s morally right to respect the person who wrote the story, even if the characters are borrowed. In fact, some fanfics have original characters in them, so you can’t go saying the author doesn’t own that story with that OC (original character). And most of the time, the OCs are the main characters with the kpop idol being the love interest or what-not.

      Haneul : “Introducing the general idea of fanfictions and how it works is alright but that’s where you should stop. It’ll be up to those who are interested and/or curious to go dig deeper and find their way into the fanfic world on their own” Very well-said. I agree to all you said, actually.

      6 years ago
    • I just want to say thank you for your comment because you said things I was thinking about saying but did it much better. Especially the whole issue with the intented audiences!! And it was really disheartening to see EYK feigning ignorance over this whole thing.

      6 years ago
  29. When KBS World plays Gag Concert here in the US they translate the line to “I have experience”.

    I disagree with Leigh’s explanation of OTP. Most readers/writers that I know have an OTP per fandom. Not an OTP for everything. So the example should have been more like “I sometimes dabble in Bella/Edward, but Bella/Jacob is my OTP.”

    Would it be possible for you guys to put Romanizations on your Korean words? I can’t read the Korean alphabet (it’s on my list of thing to do).

    6 years ago
    • That’s a good point. One OTP is but a single ship in one’s, potentially, limitless shipping armada. Although, given the state of some of my favorite shows, my armada is looking like the Battle of the Blackwater. :(

      6 years ago
  30. My favorite fanfic is the one written by SS501’s leader Kim Hyun Joong that pairs himself and fellow member Park Jungmin together but he changed it and made Jungmin into a girl, he even posted it up for all the fans to read, and it caused a lot of rumors to be spread about Hyun Joong and Jungmin’ s relationship with each other. Lol Jungmin I heard was pi**ed when he found out about it, lol.

    6 years ago
  31. if people were worried about what their works were going to be used for, why didn’t they just ask? instead of sending torrents of abuse at eyk, if authors and readers simply contacted them asking if their fics would be reviewed I’m sure S&M would be happy to put them at ease and at least assure them they wouldn’t be mocking their fics. However I completely understand why some authors locked and deleted their fics – if they didn’t know eyk well they might be wary about whether they would ask permission and whatever else. Still, the abuse sent to them was unnecessary – once they’d cleared up the fact that they wouldn’t do ANYTHING without permission, why did people still feel the need to attack them?

    6 years ago
    • They did ask. No info was given.
      For a variety of reasons, authors to proactive measures to ensure their fics wouldn’t be featured on this site.
      Some readers reacted badly and tweeted nasty stuff, but they do not represent the entire fandom.

      6 years ago
  32. EYK I MADE A FANFIC ABOUT YOU GUYS

    6 years ago
    • let me say it has to deal with a flying spudgy and the junsu trap and fangorilla. plus sozee and leigh.

      6 years ago
  33. Jesus christ. I was going to suggest some of the fanfics that I love, but now I’m not so sure. There are a lot of haters, and that’s unfortunate. I love the fanfics because they’re well-written, not because of the content. There was one chapter of one that I read pretty recently, and it moved me more than anything I’ve ever read or watched, it was THAT good. I’m pretty sure that author wouldn’t mind it if their work was recommended on such a broad stage, but with the attitude that people are showing here? Fuck that. It’s not that difficult to get a fanfic suggestion and go ask the author directly before using it in the video. I see ZERO reason why that shouldn’t be allowed. And so what if people are tweeting their favourite works? If the author doesn’t want it shared, they’ll ( like on AFF ) make it subscriber-only, or ask people not to share it. Easy as shit. Ugh, I can’t even bring myself to want to come back to this specific comment section to read any replies, so I won’t.

    6 years ago
    • Sharing fanfics is fine.
      What a lot of the fanfiction community were not happy with was the lack of info regarding how the fanfics would be used – would EYK act out speccific segments? Would they ridicule it? Would they only refer to specific fanfics? Nobody knew. And fanfiction is something that has been ridiculed for a loooong time ( http://www.dailydot.com/news/sherlock-fanfic-caitlin-moran/ ), so fans are already kind of defensive.
      For a variety of reasons (they don’t want to open themselves to mockery from an audience that doesn’t get fanfics, they don’t want idols looking up their fanfics, they don’t want EYK acting out or parodying their work, etc), authors locked their fanfics because they wanted to ensure their work would not be mentioned on this site.
      And with EYK making their videos as a living, they would have to receive the express permission of the author anyway (otherwise using a not-for-profit product like a fanfic in a for-profit video is just icky). If they had tweeted on the same day they would be asking permission, etc, then a lot of this could have been avoided.
      A minority of fans became outraged and tweeted nasty things to EYK. They do not represent the fandom as a whole. Please keep this in mind.

      6 years ago
  34. Thank you Martina! I was so confused, I knew you wouldn’t diss people
    and rip them up over their fan fictions when they don’t do that for a
    living.
    Note to Liegh and Soozee: I’ve never heard of AR but I know people refer to it as AU or Alternate Universe. Just to let you know.
    :) I love you guys and your segment!

    6 years ago
  35. XIUHANNNNNNNN SHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(i read so much xiuhan in the past month that if u turn the amount in money ill look like gd,yap sad ……. kkkkk who am i joking yahettttttt!!!!)

    6 years ago
  36. I honestly thought you would at least try to understand, but it seems you don’t want to.
    I came here to see what happened in the end and I see your comment on the situation, I’m really disappointed.

    A lot of people have already explained pretty well what the reasons were for the commotion, so I’m gonna be short:

    1) Your TWEET made it SOUND like you WERE GOING TO make a VIDEO about those fanfics;

    2) Authors that write about real people have to be a lot more careful with the topics their fanfics treat, and have to be sure to put all the warnings possible or they will get a great amount of backlash. I don’t wanna make it too long, but I read non-kpop fics before entering the kpop fandom and the fic world here works in a different way.

    So, you should be able to understand why authors knowing that their fanfictions would be SHARED IN SOME UNKNOWN WAY, but most probably a video, on a quite famous channel on youtube, where people, that AREN’T FANS of the PAIRING/GENRE or even don’t know what some warnings mean, could get to know/read them, it’s a REALLY SCARY thought.
    The issue of you, maybe, ridiculing the fic was another factor.

    You did say you would share only with the author’s permission, but like some said it was late, and not even the main problem in my opinion.

    3) Some kpop IDOLS, that know english, FOLLOW YOU, and it’s better if they don’t know some fanfics exist. It would be embarrassing both for the idol and the author.

    So your tweet scared the authors, that did “take more steps to ensure their privacy and the protection of their work”, fanfics got blocked/deleted. I can assure you that when you click on the next chapter and you get the message “you can’t access this post” or “the post doesn’t exist anymore” the thought “but really it’s not their fault” is not the first thought in your head. That’s one of the worst feelings ever.

    This time it wasn’t about being “religious fundamentalists”, it was just the ficdom being wary. Some people went overboard with the insults, but I do think the commotion was mostly your fault.

    P.S.
    I’m talking mostly for my fandom here, since the shipping is a sensitive topic.
    Shippers are mocked a lot, the “you are a yunjae shipper, so your opinion is invalid” was thrown at me so many times I can’t even count.
    So, true, we do like staying in our little peaceful world, if possible, and your blog would bring lot of attention to it.

    6 years ago
    • trust me… idols know about shippers/fanfiction. I highly doubt they need eyk to tell them it exists.

      6 years ago
      • xxx

        I know they know, Jaejoong has said he has read “thorn year” a yunjae fanfiction (that has smut)… still there are some fanfictions I do love, but I think would be quite uncomfortable for the idol to know about, and that probably the author feels uncomfortable sharing outside the fandom…
        [for example fics with watersport, incest (both fictional – e.g. YunJae are brothers/father and son in the fic – and real life – e.g. a Junho/Junsu fic, they are twins irl -), shotacon (using the jap term just because) and many others genres]

        6 years ago
  37. I have read this whole arguments about Eat Your Kimchi. In fact, I was like reading 10 or maybe 12 of recently updated fics (which is actually not recent because their last update is like 2 years ago) that got updated for a measly author’s note that was copy-pasted from one source to another in a very uniform-like, spreading hates about Simon & Martina. Most of them had watch Eat Your Kimchi and most of the commenters are saying that Eat Your Kimchi is rude, ignorant, and blahs. Even though I can see their point of view at some moments, I feel disappointed that they just give out judgmental posts like that. It spread like a fire, and then all of sudden people in Asianfanfics hate Eat Your Kimchi. In Indonesian language, there is a saying: “Tak kenal maka tak sayang” which actually translated as “If you don’t know (acquainted) with someone you won’t love that someone”. I guess they hate source is not because the existence of Eat Your Kimchi as a whole; but because they only know it partially. And some of them are hardcore fans that maybe can’t see flaws of their idols being flaunted in a video. But not every one is perfect, even it is their idols and, of course, even Simon and Martina. I do think HATE is such a strong perception and word. Just a cent for me.

    6 years ago
  38. this helps so much. thank you!

    5 years ago
  39. if you are worried about your Idols feelings regarding KMMs,you more than likely do not have to be. Many an Idol has mentioned to EYK that they have watched and enjoyed their review of them and thought it was funny. for instance EYK had an Impromptu interview with U-kiss where they told EYK straight up that they Enjoyed their reviews of them and thought it was funny. they are good friends with Amber from F(x) and Brad from Busker Busker. Shindong from Super Junior even said he watches them and likes the reviews.. During the EYKAs a lot of Idols wanted to be (and some were) involved in the vids for it, knowing they would be poking fun at some of it ( but due to scheduling conflicts were unable to). watch the vids for the EYKas if you don’t believe me. Idols are very aware that every song and MV they put out there could be a hit or a flop so bad even the most hardcore fans can’t stand behind it.. so I don’t get why you are so worried about Your idols feelings about being reviewed by EYK…

    5 years ago
  40. The most controversial DICK ever..

    5 years ago