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KpopCharts Update: Disturbance Around Heaven

February 2, 2013

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BoA “Disturbance” – Vote for it Here!

Ok, so we’ve been talking about this for a while now. We need to find a way so that girls and girl groups stop getting screwed over in the KpopCharts. There are some totally awesome songs out there, as well as totally awesome groups, that we just don’t get the chance to talk about unless they’re mega huge, like Girl’s Generation. Otherwise, smaller rookie groups with a fraction of the views will get voted in. Which, sure, is good for rookie groups, because they get a chance, but they’re not necessarily always a fair representation of what’s cool in Kpop at the moment.

So what do you think of our suggestion of us picking from the top 3 videos, rather than just automatically picking the top video? It’s got a few benefits:

1) We have more of an input on who we review, which means more fun for some reviews. If we get stuck talking about a video we don’t like, then the Kpop Music Monday might not be as fun, and we’d rather have fun reviews. We can’t like every song that’s in first place, you know?

2) We can balance out the reviews. Kpop Music Monday is a sausage fest. Girls need love, too. They’re a big part of Kpop, but you wouldn’t know that from watching our Kpop Music Mondays.

3) There’ll be an element of surprise, which is absent lately. People know who we’re gonna review by midnight Saturday, while our old Music Mondays were like “OMG! Who are you gonna review?”

There are some cons, of course

1) OMG Y U SO BIAS?!?! As soon as we pick someone who isn’t in first place…can you imagine the hellfury we’ll get from that fangroup? U GUISE ARE HATERZ! We’d be called every name in the book. One of the reasons why we built these KpopCharts was so that people could stop accusing us of that. We’d face it again. We’d be doing it for a good cause, but – hell – do we really want to deal with more whining?

2) That’s really the only con i can think of, unless you can think of others. Guise?

Let us know what you think.

Oh: and BoA’s video’s good, and deserves to be reviewed, which is why we’re talking about this right now.

Sistar19 “Gone Not Around Any Longer” – Vote for it Here!

Woohoo! Sistar’s back! Well, not fully back, but we’re big Sistar fans, aka Sissies. Alone was great, Loving U was even better, and this song is pretty cool as well. Not as great as Loving U, though. That makes me want to dance around everywhere. I don’t have that urge here. Doesn’t mean that it’s a bad song, though! It’s got saxomophones, and saxomophones are great. M83 fans, anyone? Midnight City is groovy, baby.

Also, this video is really well done. Really well done. That scene where the boy is getting pushed, and then he disappears through the door. HOLY CRAP IS THAT EVER IMPACTFUL! That, right there, is quality emotion-wrangling. That’s profound, man.

One thing we will say, though: we can’t remember the name of this song for the life of us. It would be easier if it was Gone Around Not Any Longer, because then I can abbreviate it as “GANAL” which is funny, and I can remember funny. Maybe if I say it a few more times I can remember.

GONE NOT AROUND ANY LONGER. Repeat it in a mirror. I must remember the name of this song!

Eric Nam “Heaven’s Door” – Vote for it Here!

See: we talk about rookies sometimes as well! We can’t talk about every rookie for Kpop Music Monday, because there are only so many Mondays per year, and about ten rookies per Monday (ha!) but we can at least try to shed some light on them in our KpopCharts and hopefully get you voting for them.

Side note, we actually saw a Malamute in Korea. If you’re ever in Hongdae at night on the weekend, there’s a cotton candy place at one of the busiest intersections in the clubby area, and the small cotton candy machine is only memorable because there’s a giant malamute there. It’s just sitting there, usually sleeping, with the owner. Big crowds of people gather round to see the dog, rather than get the cotton candy. We never actually had any of the cotton candy there, now that we think about it, but THE DOGGY IS SO CUTE! Well, not too cute. I tried petting it once and it growled at me. NEVER AGAIN!

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  1. Is it possible to do it both? Like every Mondays are boy groups and Tuesday girl groups, something like that. Is it to much work? I guess it will since you guys need to constantly film everything and put some ideas into it.

    7 years ago
  2. Do it! Anything to get some Girl groups/artists in the Kpop Monday!! ANYTHING!!!

    7 years ago
  3. I think you should stick with your idea of the top three but choose with a randomizer so that you don’t get psycho fans calling you guys biased and other names when time and time again you’ve done your best to prove that your not -3-”

    7 years ago
  4. In all honesty, I think that the current procedure is the best because it allows fans to kind of work towards voting their group into Music Mondays. I mean, sure most of the review are on boy bands but I don’t think that it is necessarily unfair because that may be where a lot of the fans are. Think of it this way, the band that gets first place may have the most number of viewers who would like to see it reviewed but the idea that voting is just a chance for the video to obtain the opportunity to get reviewed doesn’t make it seem as… I don’t know how to say it…exciting?

    I know it sounds stupid but think of it like college apps. You work hard just to get the OPPORTUNITY to pay to go to a college instead of knowing that if I work hard I will reach the goal. This is kind of what the music Monday voting procedure is like to me. I’m sorry if this is confusing, I’m not sure how to explain it.

    7 years ago
  5. i definitely think you guys should change the way of choosing which MVs to review

    btw, why is leessang’s new mv “Tears” not here?! T_____T i think it’s such a beautiful song and MV. shame leessang never gets love ):

    7 years ago
    • You can add a video to the list. Click on the link that’s for first time k-pop chart users and it should have a ‘post a video’ link

      7 years ago
  6. I like the idea of Simon and Martina picking from the top three. That way they can pick a song they know they can make a good review for and not feel pressured to say good things about songs they didn’t really like as much…. Anyone else?

    7 years ago
    • Actually, I think the good thing about S&M is that they don’t say good things unless it is there, but I can see how it would be more enjoyable to work with something personally interesting.

      7 years ago
  7. 1) okay SERIOUSLY you should be able to change your system and review what you want again, if you decide to. Up to you but imo it makes for much better reviews when you get to pick a song you’re excited to review. There have been several times when I was really disappointed in the top song and I can’t imagine you haven’t felt the same way.

    That said, I am not afraid to admit that I would be pretty bummed if a SHINee song was #1 and you picked some sissy girl song that I don’t like much, over them. Given Martina’s… persuasions… I don’t really see that happening, but if it did I would be super sad, and I’m just using it as an example. I would forgive you guise eventually I’m sure. Just sayin’ I understand the reactions people are bound to have.

    I think it’d be easier on people if the video they see at #1 is the one that gets reviewed, so to ease the amount of whining you get maybe it’s possible to re-evaluate the weights you give to get your chart results. Maybe views count towards the chart ranking, for the first 2 weeks they’re out? Maybe S&M get a hefty vote themselves?

    The idea of alternating between #1 and your pick of top 3-5 also has merit.

    2) Preeeeetty sure that’s an Alaskan Malamute. There’s no such thing as a French Malamute. Actually there are no malamutes that aren’t alaskan.

    3) Eric Nam’s video is preeetty darn cute. I might be a NamCat now.

    7 years ago
  8. I love, love, LOVE the idea of you picking from the top 3. LOVE IT! I think it’s an awesome idea. Did I mention that I love it? Cuz I kinda do. A lot. A lot, a lot! JSYK. ^_^

    7 years ago
  9. I like the pick from the top 3 idea. Go for it!

    7 years ago
  10. For Eric Nam’s M/V, I think it was shot in Pyeongchang (where the Winter Olympics are being held in 2018! :D). My mom and I went there during the summer, so there wasn’t any snow, but it would look like that during the winter. There was an urbanized section, but there was also a lot of greenery (there was even a pasture and sheep! :3 I even rode a self driven coaster thing down a huge slope!). But it would be a little hard to WANK there…because my mom and I had to take buses to get there (so it wouldn’t be a walk in the park if you guys had to bring your equipment up there).

    As for the KMMs, I agree with the new system of choosing one from the top 3. Even though I’m a girl, since the past n weeks it’s been nothing but a sausage-fest, it gets kind of tiring and exhausting. I wants some girls, yo! x] plus, Simon needs some spazz moments too~ haha.

    Thank you guys for all your hard work, and super happy that Martina is back! :D

    P.S. I apologize if this is a double post, I had posted something but my computer didn’t show it on the page T.T

    7 years ago
  11. I agree with your suggestion. Sounds good to me, cause there were times I felt exactly the same. Have to kinda side with Simon on the B.A.P issue tho… Sorry (^_^)y

    7 years ago
  12. I am definitely for Simon and Martina reviewing more songs of their choice since they do their most brilliant work when they’re more into the song. Go for it! The “specials” are always my favourite bits.

    Speaking of the voting skew, since I’m new to voting, I have a question: is voting (only once a day) on the honour system?

    Cyber_3 – is it just me or are the m/vs much louder than the S&M parts?

    7 years ago
    • You can vote as often as you feel like it, but I think it’s generally accepted not to do it more than once per hour. Not because of the honor system, but because S&M will remove votes if people are spamming.

      7 years ago
      • Err… You can only vote once a day because your IP’s are logged that way. You may mean commenting, which you can do as much as you like once it stays within the guidelines of not spamming, being respectful and being relevant to the artist, song or video.

        7 years ago
        • Thanks. I accidentally voted for the wrong song yesterday and realized I could still vote. As a former internet security guru, I was torn if I should report this as an error or not (not wanting to start a vote panic), thanks for clearing it up. BTW, I know that there really doesn’t exist a foolproof system for voting anonymously but, as an expert, the voting patterns here do suggest to me that there are some really determined voters who always get their way. Just FYI.

          7 years ago
  13. There’s lots of ideas I’d be happy to go with in the top comments, along with your ideas, so any would make me happy. There’s also the possibility of one day bringing back those mini-reviews you did on videos, I liked those. When you reviewed Mirotic and stuff. But I know that’s tough to fit into the schedule so yeah, I’m kinda happy with whatever. I’d also love to see BoA’s video make it for KMM so I’ll be voting it in. ^^

    And welcome back Martina, I missed you~ <3

    P.S. LOL Jaejoong. Didn't see that one coming!! XD

    7 years ago
  14. I completely support picking from the top 3. I think one of the main
    appeals of EYK are that you two are in it for the music, fun, dancing,
    sometimes the glam- not for the “fandom” aspect. I remember being a
    passionate teenager feeling very, very strongly about my opinions
    concerning X-men or Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Hello! Project or
    whatever I was into at the time. I appreciate the outlets I had back
    then and I find the sensitivity you two have toward your equally as
    passionate and (probably/hopefully) teenaged boy band fans to be sweet
    and respectful. But after a certain point, catering and tip-toeing for
    these fans does do a disservice to the show. Like. People. The fact we
    don’t have a Ice Cream review but have like one thousand rookie boy band
    reviews is like. A tragedy. I still want that damn review I don’t even.
    Let’s come together and make sure Ice Cream NEVER happens again.
    Everyone. Be cool.

    7 years ago
  15. Maybe you guys can maybe review a girl group, then a boy group in one Music Monday if it’s not too hard to do lol. Just have separate charts for boys and girls and do the 2 videos that get first place. Then you would not have to alternate from boy to girl every week :)

    7 years ago
  16. I think you guy should indeed change
    the way you vote the video that is reviewed so that we can avoid having sausage
    month every month. K-pop fans are an amazing impressive group of people that
    are extremely loyal think of their love of a band before the quality of the
    music. Since a large part of k-pop fans are females ( I’m pretty sure most of
    them are girls but I’m not sure so the statement will remain in parenthesis)
    male solos and male groups when over girl power a lot. Top three would be more
    fair, and we can experience more of you guys’ taste.

    7 years ago
  17. You could add a probability factor into the whole thing. 1st place gets their name put into a pool 3 times, 2nd 2 3rd 1 and your personal preference gets put in as well, if it already is the top 3 they just get an added chance. Draw name out of the pool, and do that for KMM. Everyone’s votes will count, your opinion will count and it will all come down to luck of the draw :p Extra fun if you add video of the draw with reactions :D

    7 years ago
  18. Could u just possibly tweak the formula? Like do all the points on girl videos x1.25 (that might not be enough even…) or somethin like that.

    7 years ago
  19. Yes please, Eat Your Kimchi. Either review which ever video you want to review the most or have that system which you guys proposed. I’m tired of the sausage fests because A LOT of my favorite kpop songs were from girl groups or girls. Best example of this kind of bias in voting for videos? Hyuna’s “Ice Cream” video. I WANTED TO SEE SIMON IN LEATHER UNDERPANTS!

    7 years ago
  20. I agree with Martina’s idea. :p

    7 years ago
  21. Why not do the top vote-getter and then a vid of your choice? I mean, what is so wrong about getting a double dose of review on Monday? That way, no fangirls get their panties in a twist AND you can have your cake and eat it too.

    7 years ago
  22. I like the idea of a four week rotation mentioned previously and organized along the lines of: Fan pick Male Groups , Fan pick Female Groups, New Artists, Simon and Martina Free Skate. The Free Skate can be a wild card pick to even out inequities, or for a video that S+M really like or to slide in a surprise up and comer that was released late in the voting period.

    7 years ago
  23. i have a suggestion.. you might or might not like it.. but why not make a day where you review whatever you want to ? you could call it something like Whatever We Want Wednesdays or something like that. That way every week you have something to look forward to, and you shouldn’t have backlash? it would mean more work though.. so.. i don’t know.. just a thought. :)

    7 years ago
  24. Choosing from the top 3 doesn’t guarantee a female artist will be in it. There have been many weeks without any. A less popular group like Dal Shabet, whom I also love, would still have little chance of making it. Songs like Hyuna’s ‘Ice Cream’ which you guys really wanted to review never broke 4th place I don’t think. It seems really difficult to please fans and yourselves at the same time. If you do use the ‘choose from top 3’ method though, the top 3 should be listed in random order and not ranked, so that people can’t complain about you being biased.

    7 years ago
  25. I vote for the first option. :) You guys should have a say in what you review.

    7 years ago
  26. I think you guys should do a KMM of the most voted songs/MVs like you guys are doing now, but in the end of the month choose your favorite song/MVs and review it, independently of the amount of votes on the Kpop Charts.
    Then, will be fair with everyone and we all will be happy! (or at least I expect).
    PS: Martina, your bias in SHINee wasn’t Key?
    PS2: Sorry for my bad english :/

    7 years ago
  27. I think it’s unfair to review non-winners for music monday. Cos voting is a universal staid and accepted rating system – what would happen if countries tweaked votes in elections? Drastic analogy, but essentially both look grotesque… How about making a special monthly”no oppars allowed” segment where you review the popular releases that got overlooked?…

    7 years ago
  28. I think its actually a great idea. You guys need to have say too considering it is your opinions and we love your skits, so why not increase the chance of making them even funnier !? ahha. Haters really suck though :( i think your real fans will stick behind you no matter who you choose to review tbh ahha.

    7 years ago
  29. I like the idea. I’d also love to see more reviews of female groups; there are some really good ones out there, but they don’t get the love they deserve outside of the “big” girl groups. Also, I prefer seeing you guys review songs you actually like because I can tell you’re enjoying making KMM more.

    7 years ago
  30. Well rest easy, Martina, Infinite H’s video is no longer in first place. (.__. )
    As for the top 3 option I don’t mind since there won’t be anymore boring videos being reviewed. There should be things to talk about. But whatever. /continues rolling that boulder uphill as I vote for Special Girl/

    7 years ago
  31. I vote for the first option in regards to future music mondays. Side note 1: Are you wanting to grow a mustache Simon? Side note 2: its good to see you again Marina, and Simon happy :)

    7 years ago
  32. LOL. You guys rock!
    And yes – top 3 and you pick what you like. Seems pretty fair – it’s your show, your rules :-)

    7 years ago
  33. I love your new idea for KMM, hell I would let you two pick within the top 5 with maybe one choice completely on your own every month or so. You should really be able to pick MVs that you want to review, otherwise it won’t be as fun for you two to make, which also makes it less fun for us to watch.
    I appreciate you two thinking of your fans, but I want to see you keep loving what you’re doing too!

    7 years ago
  34. I would prefer it this way. Screw all the haters, with this method wonderful videos like “The Day Before” (which got to third place miraculously) or “Lipstick” (which would’ve been an amazing KMM) have a chance at getting reviewed. You get hate no matter what at least this way you can feel confident you’re choosing the best video for KMM and we still get the opportunity to vote our faves into the top 3 for consideration. I think it’s a very fair method for everyone.

    7 years ago
  35. LIKE! No matter what you guys do, we’ll enjoy it anyways…so might as well do something that you guys like :)

    7 years ago
  36. I really like your first suggestion of putting in more input because you have more to say about a video. However, I personally (and i mean nothing negative towards simon and martina) only watch your guys’ videos for the groups that i vote for and the videos that i’d like to hear your opinion on. Although I’m sure that most of the songs you guys want to review also are ones that I want you guys to review, I’m sure that some of the ones that I like and you guys don’t like as much either won’t get reviewed (but would win first place). So that’d be kind of disappointing. You won’t hear any OMG U GAIZ SUK FUR NOT REVIEWING DAT from me though =P So just do your own thing ^^ thx for readingz.

    7 years ago
  37. I feel like the way it’s set up now is reviewing what the majority of the people want to see. It’s just appealing to your fanbase. I think a better way would be to make it so people can’t vote more than once a week. That way, some group isn’t chosen just because crazy fans vote hundreds of times. Then, You also won’t get mad at for being biased bc it’ll be what the people really want!
    ^^ but that’s just me, even being an elf, I honestly get annoyed the past few times suju got voted in just bc THERE WAS NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT. Like K.Will should’ve been reviewed it would have been one of the best EVARRRRR or even orange caramel or dal shabet or boa or anyone with a interesting video!!!

    7 years ago
  38. malemoot? ….oh Martina, I missed you. Malemutes were my highschool’s animal, it sounds like mute at the end…

    7 years ago
  39. Nic

    It is difficult but I do think either that, having a boys week, then a girls week, or even having one picked out of the top ten sometimes would be good.

    Just remember that you have thousands and thousands of fans that love you no matter what. A lot of the hate is just from people who aren’t fans and are obsessive about their favourite group. I’ve also realised that most haters know almost nothing about you. I’ve seen stuff on forums and their accusations are just so wrong. Of course they never go check their facts, they just sit in their own hate cesspool spewing out hate.

    7 years ago
  40. I totally agree with the TOP 3 idea. Lately it kind of seems that the video that wins the votting is not the one on the spotlight for the week, but the one whose artist has the biggest fanbase. CN Blue, for example, wins almost all the kpop charts out there, but never got reviwed for you. And I also miss the element of suprise for watching the video on monday and be all like “OMG, THEY ARE REVIWING THIS SOOOONG!!!” It’s more fun for everybody. Forget about the haters to talk about being biased, they always will say something, they will always say that you are bias somehow. Especially Yg biased lol I’m voting for the TOP 3 videos.

    7 years ago