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KpopCharts Update: Shinhwa, CNBlue, BtoB

March 31, 2012

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1) Shinhwa “Venus”Vote for them here!

I’m kinda worried about what we said here for Shinhwa. See, back when we started Kpop Music Mondays, we talked about a lot of bands that we weren’t really familiar with. As time passed we got to know them more, understand them better, and kind of get to appreciate the inside culture of their fandoms. We’re more comfortable now with our Music Mondays than we were back when we started. Talking about Shinhwa today kinda brings us back to those first few reviews, when we still felt new. Shinhwa doesn’t really mean anything to us. We know they’re legendary, and that they mean a lot to other people, but they are before our time, and so they don’t really resonate with us. Sure, they resonate with lots of other people, but they don’t really seem to resonate with our KpopCharts audience, either. No servers are crashing for them. No votes are getting flooded. And so, they’re not having as big an impact as we thought they might, but we’re not surprised.

Long story short, we can only talk about Shinhwa based on the song we heard today…which is alright. Nothing really that takes us by storm. And the video is of confident men rather than of growing boys…so…yeah. Decent song, we guess!

2) CNBlue “Hey You”Vote for them here!

Last week we talked about CNBlue and couldn’t really say much about their video, which was cool for being artistically shot, but not something to really talk about. This video is much more up our alley! So many white people! Wow! Seriously: how did they get on set for that? What company do they work for? I’m hoping that one of you reads our blog and can answer this question for us. Come on! Don’t be shy! And – you potential trolls – don’t use this as an opportunity to pretend you were there just to lead us on. PICS OR IT DIDN’T HAPPEN!

3) BtoB “Insane”Vote for them here!

BATOOBA

BATOOBA

BAOOTBA

BATOOBA

Kpop: stop making ridiculous names. Seriously. This is such a bizarre WTF name that I can’t even concentrate on anything else apart from my sheer confusion for stupid names. It’s like you eat alphabet soup and poop out band names. Stop it already.

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  1. Child, please.  You demand an apology video because you don’t agree with their opinion and you’re offended? What about what Simon said was rude?  He was very polite when he was talking about Shinhwa.  It doesn’t matter if you agree with it or not they did/said nothing that requires an apology. 

    People need to know the difference between stating an opinion and being rude.  They’re only responsible for what they say and how they say it.  The rest is up to the viewers to be mature and understand that they’re simply stating what they think – which is why people watch their videos anyway.

    8 years ago
  2. It really bothers me how you spelt “they’re” wrong. 

    8 years ago
  3. Why are people calling Simon and Martina ignorant? I see their point. Shinhwa’s a well respected band and they even acknowledged that fact. They weren’t being rude or disrespectful but they were trying to be playful. It’s the same attitude they have with all of their other videos. People don’t exactly get butthurt when they make fun of other idol groups, do they?
    In my opinion, Simon does have a point. Although Shinhwa’s INCREDIBLY popular, their fans from several years ago have all grown up. However, I’m not saying that they’ve lost their fan base. The fans that have grown into their late twenties are thirties have MATURED (I need to caps lock for emphasis). They have jobs and families now and less time for stalking their idols, going to concerts, or dedicating shrines towards Shinhwa. People who are obsessed and stalk their idols are typically students who do not have to focus on work and stuff. Adults are generally more busy, I’m assuming? Yes, I agree there are a lot of fans still, but there won’t be a lot of super FANATICS, which is what we see normally from SHINee, Super Junior, 2PM, etc. It’s us fanatics who repeatedly vote for our favourite obsessions that allow them to win, whether it was on eatyourkimchi or any other site. And whether people like it or not, companies and businesses love promoting groups that have more obsessed fans, because that equals more $$$.

    8 years ago
  4. BtoB reminds me of the french boyband we had in the 90s called 2be3 (yeah, they were three)(and it was supposed to sound like “to be free”) (and only french people knew them anyway), we could start an awful boyband name contest.

    8 years ago
    • Que de souvenirs avec les 2be3 !
      Tu te souviens de la parodie ? Partir un jour….à Carrefour…sans se retourner…..
      Toute mon enfance^^

      8 years ago
  5. Nah, no hate from me. I’m not a huge Shinhwa fan but they were the first kpop group that really got me into kpop and I heard of them late, like back in 2006. They’re one of the few groups (along with H.O.T and G.O.D) that I can truly call “oppa”s since I’m in my late 20’s. I was a bit worried about their comeback but I was pleasantly surprised that they didn’t go all out to compete or sound like the many hoobae groups of now. While their sound has a new sound (such as dubstep), it still has a very Shinhwa-esque aura to it. It reminded me of “Brand New” from a few years ago. I still think they’re relevant, a bit nostalgic but a breath of fresh air among all these debuting groups this year. It’s nice to see an old familiar face again. Makes me want to rewatch their old MVs as ridiculous and cringeworthy some were lol But that old kpop really had a distinct sound. 

    8 years ago
  6. I agreed to Simon that Shinwa comeback is not very healthy for marketing. Personally, I’ve only heard the name ‘Shinwa’ but never actually listened to their song. So there aren’t a lot of the possibility that I will sit in front of the computer for a whole day voting for them.

    However, at the same time, this is an opportunity to introduce this group to younger audiences. Yes, they might not crashed your server, but at least it made some people (like me) aware of them, their ability, and their song.

    So I’m not completely disagree with Simon and Martina, but I’m not agreeing with you all the way either

    And I guess this comes down to the ‘Song’ itself. If the song is good, they got my vote. If not, then too bad….. :)

    8 years ago
  7. Shinhwas fanclub name is Shinhwa Changjos :)

    8 years ago
  8. Lol youtube play list wanted to warn me for the Shinhwa video he just skipped on and went to martina her part :P 

    8 years ago
  9. And it’s not like some men in their 30s are so concerned about having more teenage girls “in love” with them lol. So, no showing off abs, no lip(..what was that term again?…gosh), and other things. They came back for their devoted fandom, and they have for sure way more Korean fans that any other new group. 

    8 years ago
  10. Um Hey You was recorded in America, hence the white people.
    Shinhwa fans are Shinhwa Changjo.
    Your playlist mode is also broken. It keeps putting the MVs together and your bits together. If they show the MVs at all.

    8 years ago
  11. sorry but… where is spica? *cries*

    8 years ago
  12. I ended up listening to S Club 7 because of you ;] 

    8 years ago
  13. Boy you guys decided to really put your necks on the guillotine XD

    I hadn’t listened to any of their stuff before and mostly knew about them through Eric and also am about 10 years younger than them, but when their album dropped, I was in love. I think the single is amazing, the rest of the album even more so, especially “It Hurts”. I did have some anticipation as the excitement from other fans and especially other idols for their comeback (one of those times when “comeback” actually makes sense) was really infectious, but still wasn’t sure what to expect. But I got quality music, interesting MV, and cool choreography. Also, actual grown men performing is a plus, not a minus (no awkward “oh, he’s hot” “oh…he’s a child” moments here). They have a sexiness and a confidence that only comes with age. One person mentioned they’re a “breath of fresh air”, and that’s exactly what I felt with Shinhwa’s comeback.

    8 years ago
  14. Shinhwa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m so glad because of comeback of shinhwa!! I can’t write in english well so I can’t write a lot of words for comeback of shinhwa but I want to recommend two music of shinhwa ‘wild eyes’ and ‘brand new’ to you. They are old but good songs.

    8 years ago
  15. Since my Korean obssesion started with ShinHwa I was so waiting for they’re come back. I was so happy that they returned. I love the song but MV was… a bit.. awekward..? lol, But, personaly for me it was such an event since I knew them before. Their previous work, their X-man shows.. Seeing them again was like goin back in time. You dont have that experiance with them but just think of your very first k-pop band that you loved commin back on stage and thats how it was for many of us to see ShinHwa. (even if i still belive they could do better with the dance choreography, haha). And no matter what Im their fan for life. ^.^v  Oh, and Im 26 so i perfectly go into mid 20s fan range hehe.

    8 years ago
  16. Well, as you mentioned the Shinhwa fanbase is very different. In Korea, many of their fans are people in their late 20s or 30s who have jobs, families and other commitments, and may not have the time to vote or crash servers. As for international fans, the fanbase is quite limited because by the time “Hallyu” truly took off, they’d gone off to the army. But as a fan of the group, I am definitely overjoyed that they are back. :)

    8 years ago
  17. Am I the only person having problems with the playlist? Yesterday and today it either playlists the MV videos or Simon & Martina’s review (in other words skipping the vid inbetwee). I have to open the playlist and go back. Or maybe YouTube has lost its mind…I believe it is the later.

    8 years ago
    • me 2!!!!!!! omg

      8 years ago
    • It’s only Simon and Martina when you watch the playlist here, and it kept it’s original form on Youtube. And it makes more sense this way, because here you have the MVs on this page anyway. I’m liking the new format, but can see how people will get confused with any little change.

      8 years ago
    • No MVs…Just Simon and Martina reviews for me.

      But I like it this way…

      8 years ago
    • It does the same with me! I thought it was just me…I’M NOT ALONE!!!! XD

      8 years ago
    • Yeah, I had that problem yesterday too! What’s up with the every other video crap, youtube. though glad to know it’s not a my computer hates me problem….

      8 years ago
  18. Your viewers/fans are primarily non-Korean fans, the majority of whom didn’t get into kpop until after Shinhwa’s time, so it makes sense that they’d freak out over newer groups more.

    8 years ago
  19. haha I think CN Blue filmed the Hey You MV while they were here in LA for their concert with FTI :) I can totally see you two in that video being all awesome and funky though! you could do it way better than any of them actually did ;D 

    oh god… Batooba. cannot unsee. cannot unhear. I LOVE IT.

    8 years ago
    • I think I read that they filmed the video in Korea, because they were saying they were saying some of the extras were foreign exchange students who could speak a bit of Korean.

      8 years ago
  20. generation gaps I guess…

    8 years ago
  21. BATOOBA! trololol.. i am not yet a fan, but i’m seriously fan of their new name.. BATOOBA slays!

    8 years ago
  22. BtoB – isn’t it just simply ‘B to B’ ?

    8 years ago
  23. Just think how crazy excited you would be if DB5K got back together and had a comeback, or if SJ or Shinee went off to the army for several years and managed to stay together and come back and this was their comeback song…if you’re fans of them now, think about how happy or excited you would be…that’s my take on Shinhwa

    8 years ago
    • Oh yeah, we get it. I’d be really excited, but I STILL wouldn’t give a crap what other people said or think about DBSK. Other people’s comments or opinions don’t affect my love for a band. :D

      8 years ago
      • Totally kinda cool that you took the time to respond to me :), just really was passing through and dropping my 2-cent thoughts on the whole matter. But I do agree with you and I definitely respect your opinions and videos, too! I also see where the other commentors are coming from although some are um…more passionate about it? 

        Ultimately I’m glad you have this forum where people can have a (generally)good discussion about the trends in kpop. I find this topic especially relevant in the setting of what happens and what will happen to kpop bands when they get older (considering there are so many new bands coming out that I can’t even figure out who is what), and how they can stay relevant to both their hardcore fans and brand themselves to new fans as they come back to a setting that has also moved on. It is especially relevant, I feel, because since miltary enlistment is mandatory, all the kpop boy bands are going to have to face this facinating dilema (if they don’t disband before then >_<).

        Otherwise, since it seems you are reading the comments in this section, just wanted to say hiiii! ^__^'n""""  

        8 years ago
  24. LOL NKOTB did try a comeback a few years ago and then last year I believe went on tour with Backstreet Boys. It was called NKOTBB. Think it only excited their fans from back in the day, didn’t make a huge impression on the music world. (FYI New Kids on the Block was my first concert).

    8 years ago
    •  Their 2009 comeback album “The Block” was #1 on the Billboard Pop Album chart and #2 on the Billboard 200. The 2011 album with BSB made it to #7, and only had two new songs. I was at one of their 2009 concerts and there were more than just fans my age from back in the day. (FYI the first time I saw the New Kids on the Block was 1989.)

      8 years ago
  25. In my opinion, I’m a new kpop fan but I’m obsessed with their new song. I totally agree that they probably shouldn’t have named their song that considering I’m hearing something totally different and wrong. People question why I like Shinhwa though I’m super young [14], but that song is just awesome. I just hope that they’re song will be able to get just as famous as the new debut groups or SHINee. 

    CN Blue’s new song is really catchy but what’s up with the daridoo nonsense that went on in I’m A Loner and Intuition. It has to stop man. But, I still love the song.

    8 years ago
  26. It is strange to see them performing, as they are considered old in the Kpop world, but I’m glad they are back. Its kinda creepy for me to watch SHINee and all the debuting rookies trying to act sexy when they aren’t even 18/19 yet. I feel like a creep since I’m years older than them. 

    8 years ago
    • I was thinking abt suing SM for making me watch child porn, then I remembered Taemin is legal, still…those pics were bad. Im still sad that Beakho from NU’ESt is so young T_T He looks older.

      8 years ago
  27. hahaha S Club 7!!!!!!!! i used to LOVE them so much!!!!!!! (i want Busted back!!) 

    8 years ago
  28. Way to get butt hurt really easily people….Simon and Martina are just stating this as a people who got into the Hallyu wave late. It doesn’t mean they disrespect them any less; they just honestly don’t know who Shinhwa is. I didn’t either when this song went up on their chart so I googled them….I love this song, but you are going way too far….who are you to “demand an apology” from them? Honestly you are having a negative effect on new listeners to Shinhwa like me. However, I not gonna be one of those people that because they don’t like the fan base say that they don’t like the group. Simon and Martina do this for fun, I’m pretty sure they don’t do this to purposely bash on k-pop idols, so please be respectful to them and act your age.

    8 years ago
  29. S Club 7?

    8 years ago
  30. I have to admit that you know more about K-pop than me, but you don’t know sh*t about ShinHwa. Over the past 14 years, they’ve been through a lot together and actually survived sabotage by South Korean powerhouse SM entertainment. They have something special that they can share with their fans and you will never understand. So can you please STFU

    ‘Shinhwa doesn’t really mean anything to us.’ > yeah, you really mean nothing to them, too.

    8 years ago
    • Think about it, you guys are kind of well know and it’s the same thing that happens when someone well know says something that disappoints people or that people disagree with. You guys make fun of groups all the time but this is the first time I’ve seen you guys be so mean even in your replies. I get it’s because of what people are saying but you’ve gotten pretty mean opinions before and you’ve been the better person. You are making it seem as it’s a Shinhwa fanbase only type deal. I remember something like this happening with another of the videos you reviewed [can’t remember who it was, maybe Girls Generations?] where people were going crazy too but you guys weren’t like this. Shinhwa is one of the groups I love [not my favorite but one of] and you have made fun of the other groups I like but this one felt different. I don’t know how else to explain it lol

      8 years ago
      • We’ve been more forceful in our responses to people this time.  Why? Because we always back away.  People rant, people throw darts and hurl insults, and we always just tell ourselves not to worry about it, move on, and we usually just back away.  So now we feel like defending ourselves, and not even by hurling back insults, but by forcefully and thoughtfully stating our opinions.

        No, we didn’t slink away this time, and I don’t think we’ll do so again.

        8 years ago
  31. I’ve calmed down from the initial rage, so I’ll try to do
    this civilly. As a Shinhwa ChangJo, I’ll try not to let Shinhwa down by using
    expletives. I don’t hate on the guy, he’s pretty funny (on the second watch, I
    actually giggle at the way he said “manband”), but you guys ask for opinions in
    the comments so here is mine. First, are you guys nitpicking on the “V” and the “P” in Venus as a joke? It must be a joke to nitpick on that for a title song. Then you guys say “Shinhwa
    is only relevant in the past” I can’t agree. Considering the fact they
    are the only Kpop band to last 14 years and make a pretty darn successful
    comeback (maybe not “successful” like “newer” group but that’s a
    given with how kpop is run by teenage angst nowadays) They are paving the way
    for current boy bands and telling them that it IS possible to break the 5 year
    idol curse and, as long as your fans are there, you can continue to stand
    on stage after military. How, then, are they “irrelevant”? Maybe it’s
    my bias coming through, but I think these newer groups are lucky they have a
    role model like Shinhwa, to do all these solo activities and still stay
    together as one group and make good music under the group’s name, perhaps even their
    own company. Of course, unless you guys are speaking in the context of “popularity”
    relevance because that’s what I get a lot from this video – the huge amount of
    emphasis on popularity and age. The implication I get is that “you’re old, you
    don’t matter like the young kids, don’t make music” and that “music is only for the young”. Also your demographic is
    mostly younger teens that have the time to sit at their desk and vote mindlessly
    compared to Shinhwa’s audience who are mostly in the working force. Perhaps if
    you’ve given a review on the substance of the song/album, and don’t like it, I
    probably won’t get so worked up, but as you can see, ever since Shinhwa’s
    announcement of a comeback, we’ve (Shinhwa ChangJo, the “butthurt Shinhwa fans” who have waited 4 years loyally for their return, as you ignorantly refer us to along with
    some other made up fanclub name) had to deal with younger fans talking shit
    about how our oppas are too old they need to get the fuck out of the kpop
    scene, yeah…your video is like adding on to it. It’s sad you guys put an expiration date on your idols/bands/music. Btw, I’m 19 and am a SHCJ, so stop it with the generalization of all SHCJ being mothers with kids and talking as if they’re about to die from being “old”. And you should know (or probably already does) that when it comes to stats on sales and whatnot, there is only so much international fandom can do in comparison to the k-fandom…and these voting things, SHCJ has already come to terms that we won’t be able to beat the fans of younger idol groups, but we still do because we support our oppas. You shouldn’t base what Shinhwa is all about on how your chart rankings is and age as you do in this video. Anyway, it’s my two cents. Hope it’ll help
    you understand some of the butthurt Shinhwa ChangJos’ sentiments and rage. SHCJ is a very peaceful fanbase, but when
    it comes to Shinhwa or SHCJ themselves, SHCJ are fiercely loyal and sometimes aggressive in the way we behave and we’ve been this way for 14
    years and some later than 14 years. So I apologize for whatever threats you’re receiving from other angry SHCJs, and though I respect your opinion, I don’t agree with it.

    8 years ago
  32. I’ll be honest, I don’t know much about Shinhwa since I started liking kpop around 2008… but I am in my late twenties and feel less like a pedophile when I watch this group :D They’re really good too… and I really like this song!

    8 years ago
  33. It is because of groups like Shinhwa that idols such as SHINee and B1A4 exist! If there was no starter generation of idol groups then the flood of idols today would not exist. Shinhwa did more for the music industry than any of these idol groups will do in their lifetime. Just because the site didn’t crash doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be given the same amount of attention as ANY one of these idols today.

    8 years ago
  34. simon and martina, please read!!! for you own benefit!! :)

    8 years ago
  35. But now you are adding words to my mouth and that’s not fair. I never talked about how popular or legendary Shinhwa is or that the song is AMAZING, so your points are kinda invalid to my comment.

    I have also lived in Korea for over two years and even teach children, and for the record I have never heard my students mistaken the word Venus as Penis before, especially when the word venus exists directly in Korean. Maybe I’m surrounded by students who have good pronunciations, but that has never been the case. 

    but I’m glad that we can at least agree that there is nothing wrong with confident men though.

    8 years ago
    •  i never added any words to your mouth. i said shinhwa is not as popular or legendary as “their fans” (not grace hong) would like everyone else to believe.   perhaps i shouldn’t have used that comment as a reply to your comment but i was just making my point as to why simon and martina may think they are “irrevelant”.  i understand the impact they’ve had on kpop but artistically speaking they don’t much for me.  i admire the loyalty of the shinhwa fans but you shouldn’t expect everyone else to feel the same way – including simon and martina.  it’s great that you had students with excellent english pronounciation skills but if you lived in korea for that long you of all people should know that many koreans do mix up the V sound for a B/P. i’m not sure if you’ll be able to read this person’s note on facebook but read #4 if you can https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=2210324107.  in case you can’t see it, the note is called “top 10 quotes from korean students/teachers and it says “4. “You look like Penis” -Korean kid to my woman co teacher (he meant she looks like Venus)”.  if you’re still not convinced hear infinites “nothing’s over”

      btw, your first paragraph in reply to my comment just proved my point and their point. 

      8 years ago
      • I see how you can say that, but you read my comment wrong. When I emphasized AMAZING, i wasn’t STATING that it was amazing and that EVERYONE should think it was amazing.  you just kind of inferred that and maybe it was my mistake for writing it in that way. I was trying to sarcastic and be an enthusiastic fan girl, but that didn’t carry out very well. oh the world of the interwebs. 

        anyways, 
        I honestly don’t want to keep arguing with you because I know that whatever I say is not going to change your mind since you are adamant about S&M being able to state their opinions, and I am completely fine with that. You’re right, this is S&M’s blog and they can say what they want.
         
        i’m not trying to get S&M to change their opinions – I even said that in my original post. I’m not God or a dictator. 
        S&M said they know Shinhwa’s ‘legendary’, but don’t really know why – all I asked for S&M was get to know them, instead of spewing out and implying random things about them to the EYK fanbase. That’s why I want Shinhwa to win for music mondays, so S&M can learn about why Shinhwa is ‘legendary.’

        As for the V/B/P sound, for a Korean, who knows the song’s name is a Venus and is speaking in Korean, they will never pronounce it as penis. 비너스, 피너스 – there is a huge difference. Now maybe if they were in a setting when they had to speak english, it’s might be different, like your example. 
        So maybe I was wrong, but I still stand by my comment about how only immature people would notice venus = penis.

        8 years ago
        • In the old (McCune-Reischauer) Romanization, 비 was Romanized as “pi” because the Korean /b/ sound at the outset of a word is a bit harder than /b/ in English, and so quite close to /p/ in English. This is why the surname 박 is commonly romanized as “Park”. In the old Romanization, 피 — now (officially) Romanized as “pi”, used to be “p’i” or “phi”, showing strong aspiration (notably stronger than in English). Thus, to the untrained English-hearing ear, 비너스 does sound like “penis” (especially since English does not have the unrounded front vowel).

          8 years ago
  36. *Three Shinhwa members speak English. Are you forgetting our Hyesungie? >.> And Junjin’s, Dongwan’s and Minwoo’s English is great too so it doesn’t sound like P-Nus at all. :D

    7 years ago
  37. I’m 33 now started listening to Shinhwa when I was 19 and it was one of the first groups that I got into when I first started listening to Kpop.  For the most part I think EYK is gear towards the 30 and below group.  For the group that is around 30 and above, we tend to be lurking in the background and not constantly vote and so it won’t be the best indicators..  The Shinhwa fans have all grown up, have kids, in the workforce now and for the most part been most loyal to this group. I respect your opinion on this but I would have to disagree you will having judge an idol group by how much traffic you get for a particular group and to note who their target audience group Shinhwa is mainly focusing and it’s their loyal fans. But to each to their own opinion. I really do enjoy all your videos Simon and Martina and I really am glad you stick to your guns on your opinions because it is your opinions and that is what makes your site works. All opinions in one way or another going to offend someone. Sigh.

    8 years ago
  38. simon and martina please never stop doing videos with “YOUR” opinion – even if this means making fun of BIGBANG. even if you destroy them to pieces i would much rather hear an honest opinion then some ass kissing.

    8 years ago
    • well, your opinion counts more i guess because people reeeeaaallly respect your opinion.

      8 years ago
  39. I agree.  We’re working on redesigning the site, and just spoke with our developers about different design ideas.  This will definitely be a feature :D

    8 years ago
  40. Grow up.

    8 years ago